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All great programs, but have to give MGH a little boost (personal opinion). Too bad my fiance doesn't like his job offers in GI in Boston next year. We'll see 😛
 
Hmmm... maybe try your luck in the scramble?
Just kidding -- those look like some great programs. If you seriously like them all equally, then you can look at it a few ways:

JHH - probably the most prestigious in the country -- if you can handle what looks to be a ridiculously tough intern year, you will come out as a superstar, and everyone will know it. Baltimore isn't as bad as it seems, though you probably won't see that much of it.

MGH, BWH - also right up there. BWH seems a little more touchy-feely, though one of the residents told me they weren't meeting work hour restrictions w/ their call system. people have loved MGH on the interview trail this year. boston is arguably more fun than baltimore, if you can handle one way streets and detour signs from the un-ending big dig.

UCSF - also solidly awesome and right up there. if you like ID, underserved populations, you can't beat SFGH. San Francisco is clearly awesome, unless you hate fog.

Again, if you like them all equally, these should be your top four and you should have pretty unlimited possibilities if you do well at any of them...

I also thought U Michigan was pretty awesome, and UW is good if you are more primary care focused...

not sure where to put the rest, but it doesn't look like you're going to have to go too far down your rank list 🙂
 
clearly you aren't from the South if you would rank UAB 8th on that list. I would probably rank it in the top 4 of that list with Baylor, Cornell, and Georgetown.
 
alright tiger, how would you rank it and where is UAB?
thanks.
 
you're right, i'm not from the south. nor would i ever live in alabama (unless i matched there for cards).
 
You guys are going to get into some very good programs, and yet the OP is making a fool out of you all.
 
Same thread as everyone else, any thoughts or opinions on these programs and their order of rank would be much appreciated. Thanks. 🙂

Mayo-Rochester
Dartmouth
Wisconsin-Madison
Utah
UVM
U Iowa
U Nebraska
U Minnesota
 
depends on what you want to do. I loved Wisconsin and Dartmouth... would probably do 1. Dartmouth 2. Wisconsin... but I didn't look at all those places....
Wisconsin had that awesome research speed-dating thing and seems like they get their stuff together so that you can apply for fellowships...

Dartmouth is in an idyllic location, the program director seemed so nice, and it's a nice small-sized program... they also seemed to have a pretty sweet fellowship match. If you like being out in the beautiful woods, this is the place. Madison might be the place if you like being in a livable, green, city...

Utah -- the location is AWESOME...they have a ton of skiing within half an hour and it's gorgeous... the conservative religious community does not seem to affect the residency program much, and people go out a lot (though they have to drink twice the beer because it's watered down) and it's inexpensive to live in a cute place there. The only thing about Utah was that I don't think their fellowship match is quite as strong as the other two... it was good but pretty regional - which is fine if you're from that region...

UVM - I love the area, but don't know too much about the program.
 
Any opinions on this bunch?

Tufts
Brown
AE-Montefiore
Jeff
Maryland
GW
Pitt
Temple
 
BrockDoc said:
Any opinions on this bunch?

Tufts
Brown
AE-Montefiore
Jeff
Maryland
GW
Pitt
Temple
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Pitt, Brown are the most prestigious. Temple and GW have very good clinical training by rep.
 
Tiered, I'd say
1) Wisconsin-Madison
2) U Iowa// Mayo-Rochester
...
3) U Nebraska// U Minnesota

Dartmouth// Utah// UVM -- not as familiar with these programs

Take it with a grain of salt since while there are somethings that are obvious, there is also a lot of "wiggle room" in this whole thing.

Details: U Iowa, clearly an emphasis on research.
U Nebraska, great program if you're interested in primary care. Their resident-run clinic is really quite something.
Mayo, well there are entire threads devoted to this, so I'm not sure I have anything to add.
 
Hi guys!
IVs are over and now another problem, how make my ROL?!!!
I wanna do Cards and I appreciate if you rank my programs for me, I know it is a personal decision that where I really liked, but as an IMG and just focusing on Cards how you rank them:

UCSD
Baylor- Houston
Penn state-Hershey
USC
Loma linda
LSU-New Orleans
Washington Hospital Center
Cook County
Brown University/Memorial hospital

Thanks
 
Maybe I am tired of people relying on SDNers to create their rank lists for them, but my honest feeling is:

You need to ask yourself what are your opinions about the programs you want us to rank for you? So many factors go into a VERY personal decision. You give us 7 programs that have magnificent reputations and will not hurt your future regardless of your goals. Choose according to your gut instinct and factor in the geography, costs, special program attributes, and research interests (if you intend on trying to do meaningful research which is very difficult, but can be done during residency). Everyone here is so biased one way or the other and tend to focus on the little details which one day you will come to realize do not matter so much. Rank in order where you will be happy (happy residents and faculty = higher chance for happy times). I remember certain places just did not have the right "vibe" while others were purely collegial and supportive. Choose according to the things that matter most to you and you will likely end up happy instead of biting for the #8 US News ranked program over the 11th ranked program because a few SDNers said it was better. Most here do not have insight into many programs but there own or those where they had away rotations. If you are honest with yourself you will likely be happy and successful in the end. I apologize for being bitter in any manner, I wish you luck!
 
NYMd2008 said:
Anyone else with teh same impressions? or am I just loco thinking UCLA would have better training than cornell.
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I agree. I thought cornell had the same issues. As someone alluded on another thread, cornell is appealing because of it's location/subsidized housing/undergrad reputation. I think training may be better at UCLA (although, lots of transplant babysitting). But, in terms of fellowship, I am not sure if UCLA makes its name across over to the east as strongly as cornell may. So, if you're a NYer and looking to come back for fellowship, I'd look into that issue.
 
DrRai said:
hey everyone,

having trouble ranking my top 4...

Cornell, BIDMC, UCLA, Northwestern.

any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
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If you want to do fellowship in New England than BIDMC is roughly equal to Cornell (BIDMC probably better for cards, Cornell probably better for heme/onc, GI)

If you want to stick around the midwest, NWU.

And if you want to go out west, UCLA.

The one thing Ive noticed about fellowship match lists is that people tend to stay around where they do for residency (family reasons or whatnot) but what that does is fellowship programs only get to "know" people from certain schools. So regionality matters the most I think when picking residencies for fellowship opportunities (especially once youre looking at top 20 programs)
 
😀
lol

however, i do agree that this list is what people mean when they say "top tier"
 
I liked the jefferson hospital a lot. Brown has a high residents salary. Temple is in a crappy part of town, I would cross that off your list. NEMC has a high cost of living and their patient population gets pulled upon from the other hospitals. GW's biggest selling point to me was that they weren't GT.
 
Rasengan said:
If you want to do fellowship in New England than BIDMC is roughly equal to Cornell (BIDMC probably better for cards, Cornell probably better for heme/onc, GI)
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I haven't seen Cornell's fellowship placement, but I thought BIDMC heme/onc looked pretty good . . . .in a single year 4 to DFCI, 1 each to MD Anderson, Penn, Stamford, Fox Chase . . . not so shabby.
 
0382938 said:
I haven't seen Cornell's fellowship placement, but I thought BIDMC heme/onc looked pretty good . . . .in a single year 4 to DFCI, 1 each to MD Anderson, Penn, Stamford, Fox Chase . . . not so shabby.
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Cornell has 2 to MSK, 1 to MDACC, 1 to Miami. This years class has a couple more to MSK and DFCC. Id give the edge to Cornell for heme/onc and GI, but like I said, these programs are more similar than not and a lot should come down to Boston vs NYC preference.
 
Sorry about this thread as many people have already listed similar ones... how would you guys rank these keeping in mind im interested in a competitive fellowship (cards):

Wake forest
Tulane
Ohio State
Brown
UAB
 
purplepants said:
Georgetown
George Washington
UCSD
Colorado
Cleveland Clinic
JHU-Bayview
Boston Univ
Baylor
Cornell
UAB

any thoughts appreciated. thanks.
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cornell
ucsd
baylor
uab
boston univ
jhu-bayview
gw
georgetown
colorado
cleveland clinic
 
Is any of these particularly better for GI? To be honest, I wasn't particularly impressed by Brown, but all the others seemed to be pretty equivalent to each other to me. Did anyone pick up on anything that my separate one from the others?
 
MonoLoco said:
So I'm not as smart as some of u guys, just judging by your posts... however i'll give this a shot anyways and see what you all think. I need help ranking these programs. Like the hundreds of others, I have an interest in Cardiology so research and getting a cards fellowship is a huge component in my decision making.

Wash U
Mayo-Rochester
Mayo-Jacksonville
Rush
Tufts
Wake Forest
MUSC
Johns Hopkins Bayview
Temple
University of Pittsburgh


Any help in ranking these programs would greatly be appreciated!

Thanks
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Don't kid yourself you have a really, really good list. I interviewed at 3 of the places Wash U, Mayo Rochester, JHU-Bayview. All three are very strong for cards matches (Mayo being more internal) but very weak on location. Baltimore was scarier than hell, it seems like St Louis a place where the residents avoid going to and rochester is small.

JHU-Bayview has a very strong cards lists with JHU and BWH being featured extensively. I interviewed with a Cardiologist there and he basically said that when they work with you they will beef up your application with research and make the right connections. If you end up doing well on your cards rotation and the attendings trust you as a resident you are a shoo-in. The JHH Cards people are split between Bayview and JHH so a recommendation from one of them is basically a recommendation into their whole group.

Mayo - Gets a lot of stick in this forum but I still really liked it from my interview. They love to recruit internally and will give you a lot of research opportunity. People do say that the Mayo name may be a hindrance with fellowships but I don't believe it's true. Get some research under your belt and get to know the Card folks, I mean a LOR from the chairman of the AHA isn't a bad thing.

Wash-U - They also have good rep and a good Cards program. Good research opportunity and a heavy cards exposure. They performed the first percutaneous aortic valve replacement in the US a month ago so they are really good.

Personally from my experience with the three programs I am ranking

1. xxxxx
2. Wash U
3. JHU-B
4. xxxxx
5. xxxxx
6. Mayo

Would not be disappointed if I matched into mayo.
 
uab- if you like living in the deep south
the ohio state university
brown
wake forest
tulane


Chalazion12 said:
Sorry about this thread as many people have already listed similar ones... how would you guys rank these keeping in mind im interested in a competitive fellowship (cards):

Wake forest
Tulane
Ohio State
Brown
UAB
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ucsd
colorado/ cornell/ baylor/ uab
bu/ jhu-bayview
cc/ gw



purplepants said:
Georgetown
George Washington
UCSD
Colorado
Cleveland Clinic
JHU-Bayview
Boston Univ
Baylor
Cornell
UAB

any thoughts appreciated. thanks.
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Didn't interview with UAB but have heard on the trail and from residents that it is a very good program especially for Cards. I interviewed at Ohio State which is a really underrated program according to a lot program directors where I interviewed at. Talking to a few people from Duke they really like the Ohio State graduates. From what I have observed and heard about from various program directors, cards fellows, UAB and Ohio State are well placed if you want cards. The Ohio State program for GI is very weak though as it is in it's babysteps according one of the assistant chairmans.
 
Here's how I would rank them:

1. MGH
2. MGH
3. MGH
4 - 35. MGH
36. everything else

Seriously, with those programs you can't go wrong and its all about personal preference. Best of luck.

B767400ER said:
How would people rank:

UCSF
MGH
BWH
Stanford
Columbia
Yale
JHH
Cornell
U Michigan
U Washington
UCLA
UCSD
Wash U
Mayo
Southwestern
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I actually might switch the cornell and JHU-Bayview positions. You work with JHH faculty at Bayview and so you get a really good opportunity for research. I didn't like Cornell as much as they have private patients and seemed to violate the 80hour limit and cap limit.
 
I too would suggest that UAB, and possibly Ohio State, are the two strongest programs on the list.
 
Crap. I forgot to apply to Bayview.
 
Linus2007 said:
I actually might switch the cornell and JHU-Bayview positions. You work with JHH faculty at Bayview and so you get a really good opportunity for research. I didn't like Cornell as much as they have private patients and seemed to violate the 80hour limit and cap limit.
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I have to agree, the residents at JHU-Bayview seemed much happier than Cornell. I also preferred the PD at JHU-B who is AWSOME! the residents at both programs match REALLY well. IMO the biggest draw to Cornell over JHU-B is the obvious:LOCATION. That being said, location is subjective, and Baltimore isn't too far from NYC, Wash DC....

I'm personally ranking JHU-B very high....

good luck
 
Linus2007 said:
Don't kid yourself you have a really, really good list. I interviewed at 3 of the places Wash U, Mayo Rochester, JHU-Bayview. All three are very strong for cards matches (Mayo being more internal) but very weak on location. Baltimore was scarier than hell, it seems like St Louis a place where the residents avoid going to and rochester is small.

JHU-Bayview has a very strong cards lists with JHU and BWH being featured extensively. I interviewed with a Cardiologist there and he basically said that when they work with you they will beef up your application with research and make the right connections. If you end up doing well on your cards rotation and the attendings trust you as a resident you are a shoo-in. The JHH Cards people are split between Bayview and JHH so a recommendation from one of them is basically a recommendation into their whole group.

Mayo - Gets a lot of stick in this forum but I still really liked it from my interview. They love to recruit internally and will give you a lot of research opportunity. People do say that the Mayo name may be a hindrance with fellowships but I don't believe it's true. Get some research under your belt and get to know the Card folks, I mean a LOR from the chairman of the AHA isn't a bad thing.

Wash-U - They also have good rep and a good Cards program. Good research opportunity and a heavy cards exposure. They performed the first percutaneous aortic valve replacement in the US a month ago so they are really good.

Personally from my experience with the three programs I am ranking

1. xxxxx
2. Wash U
3. JHU-B
4. xxxxx
5. xxxxx
6. Mayo

Would not be disappointed if I matched into mayo.
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JHU-B seemed to place their residents in great fellowships, many stayed at JHU-B and many others went to JHH etc...
 
Hey guys,

Thanks I really appreciate your input! JHU-B gave a really friendly vibe and looking at their fellowship match list they handed out I was impressed by the breadth of their placements. Call me naive, but I came out of their thinking it was too good to be true--they were just overfriendly and even personalized my invitation to interview! plus I agree, that baltimore is pretty scary esp for a naive person like me. Wash U.... did anyone get an intimidating vibe from them. I mean the residents seemed very friendly but I got the impression that they mean business.. Maybe it was the sophisticated accent of the chairman and PD that gave me this false sense of vibe..

and mayo... i got nothing but good vibes... everyone seemed happy. looking at Wash U versus Mayo will be a tough call of putting number one. I'm a type of person who likes to not only work hard but also sit back at the end of the day with a lighthearted attitude. Do u think, the mentality at Wash U would be like that?

Sorry, lol i'm such a naive gal.

So the new poll is... Wash U versus Mayo. Which would you put number 1?
 
Linus2007 said:
. People do say that the Mayo name may be a hindrance with fellowships but I don't believe it's true. Get some research under your belt and get to know the Card folks, I mean a LOR from the chairman of the AHA isn't a bad thing.

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Except for he does not have to give you a sterling letter!! Remember, he has to be very careful about what he says about you.. People are going to be reading his letter etc etc...

It would be a nice thing to go with your gut feelings about programs.
 
wash u > mayo in terms of rep as an academic med ctr.
however, from your post it sounds like you liked mayo better. both are excellent programs. go where you think you would fit in the best.


MonoLoco said:
So the new poll is... Wash U versus Mayo. Which would you put number 1?
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I agree with the above. I also interviewed at both WashU/Mayo and will be ranking Mayo ahead despite the research reputation discrepancy. I got a better vibe from Mayo residents (incredibly happy and laid back), and I do think Mayo has its strengths in terms of strong clinical training in an amazing environment as well as an emphasis on teaching. WashU has better basic science research by far, but faculty (at other places, who were trying to dissuade me from ranking WashU highly) have mentioned that they may not be particularly strong in clinical training. No idea if this is true . . . I'm going with the vibe.
 
What about the Ohio programs? Case-UH > CCF > Ohio state? and how do these programs compare to Brown?
 
Hi guys!
IVs are over and now another problem, how make my ROL?!!!
I wanna do Cards and I appreciate if you rank my programs for me, I know it is a personal decision that where I really liked, but as an IMG and just focusing on Cards how you rank them:

UCSD
Baylor- Houston
Penn state-Hershey
USC
Loma linda
LSU-New Orleans
Washington Hospital Center
Cook County


Thanks
 
Chalazion12 said:
What about the Ohio programs? Case-UH > CCF > Ohio state? and how do these programs compare to Brown?
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IMO, Case=Ohio State > CCF. Brown compares favorably to Case/OSU.
 
Any thoughts?

Vandy
Tufts
UVA
UNC
Emory
Duke
Musc
UAB
WAKE
Carolinas
 
i'm not that familiar with the southern programs, but here's how i'd rank:

uab/ duke/ emory/ vandy
tufts-nemc/ uva/ unc
musc/ wake/ carolinas


kali2226 said:
Any thoughts?

Vandy
Tufts
UVA
UNC
Emory
Duke
Musc
UAB
WAKE
Carolinas
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