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Well UAB is my home school and want to go to other place if possible. Do you think it would make enough difference to consider it higher?
No. Your list looks fine. Sure, one (including myself) could nitpick it and swap a few programs, but the reality is that there's no huge difference between the bulk of those places and you'll be fine no matter where you end up on that list.

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Well UAB is my home school and want to go to other place if possible. Do you think it would make enough difference to consider it higher?
Nope, not really. All good programs, go with the standard advice and rank them how you liked them.
 
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I'm interested in primary care but would like to stay in the Chicago area where all the larger academic institutions unfortunately don't have a primary care track (yes I know Rush has one but it's based out of Cook County and I did not apply to it). I had Loyola #2 for a while but after thinking it over, am not sure any more. I keep hearing the residents work super hard and on my interview day had a PGY-3 pretty much complain to me the whole time about how he still works long hrs and 2 residents have said they think Loyola residents work much harder than the other similar tier programs in Chicago. Plus it's 10 miles west of the city proper. I also don't plan on doing a fellowship, so I decided that Loyola might not be the best place for me. If location wasn't so important to me OSU would be #1 and Kaiser #2 but alas... so my list of top 5 now is:

1. Rush
2. U of C Northshore
3. Loyola
4. Kaiser SF
5. Ohio State's Primary Care

Thoughts??

I thought Loyola was better in primary care than Rush, and Loyola has 4+1 schedule. UC northshore is an excellent program for primary care as well.
 
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hi folks, long time follower of this thread. would this order close any doors and Would it be a cardinal sin placing WashU this low? I really enjoyed my ohsu interview (as most people probably do). interested in HemeOnc/GI/Cards for fellowship. thanks
-Mayo
-OHSU
-Pitt
-Brown
-WashU
-Dartmouth
-Boston U
-the rest
Some might place it higher than Brown but it's not a deal breaker.
 

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Hello... would appreciate thoughts on these programs for my rank list. Thank you so much !
  • How do people feel about Yale vs. Brown.
  • RWJ vs. Boston vs. Tufts
  • SUNY Stonybrook vs. Northshore LIJ
  • U. Michigan vs. UNC vs. Wake Forest vs. U of Rochester
  • Thomas Jefferson vs. GWU vs. U Maryland
 

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Pitt resident (not IM) here, so while I clearly can't comment on the other programs, I can address a few things about Pitt.

First about the "turfing" surgical patients to medical services. That can and does happen, often for good reasons (e.g. you really don't want the orthopedist managing complex medical issues). The good news is that these patients get turfed to attending run services, not the teaching services. The volume is high enough that there is more then enough pure medicine patients for the residents, and the overflow, like surgical cases, goes to the attending service. I have even heard of cases where if the patients are interesting and medically complex they will transfer from the A-service to the teaching service for higher level care.

Secondly about being "fellow run." I'm not exactly sure what that means. We certainly do have our share of fellows (as most big sub-specialty centers do), but the system is well run and fellows usually add to the education, not take away. For example, on my ICU block the fellow and I would split the unit in half and we'd each take half the patients. Sometimes we'd round with the attending, other times it would just be the two of us rounding and he would run plans by the attending later. Most fellows did a lot of teaching and I learned a ton from them. If my patient needed a procedure, I did it, no question. If his patient needed a procedure, sometimes I would still do it with him supervising, as they had all met their numbers early on and were happy to teach.

I can't tell you too much about cards unfortunately. I know we have very high clinical volumes, but don't have the familiarity with the department to say how academically strong they are

Thanks a lot for your response! Appreciate it!
 
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Hello... would appreciate thoughts on these programs for my rank list. Thank you so much !
  • How do people feel about Yale vs. Brown.
  • RWJ vs. Boston vs. Tufts
  • SUNY Stonybrook vs. Northshore LIJ
  • U. Michigan vs. UNC vs. Wake Forest vs. U of Rochester
  • Thomas Jefferson vs. GWU vs. U Maryland

why have you divided them into those strange groupings? why is brown in that top tier? stony brook and LIJ over TJ, UM and UR doesn't make sense. is this how your rank list looks?
 

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The reason for the groupings is because I am having trouble ranking those particular ones with respect to the others in that "group". The overall bulleted list is not ordered according to my rank list... Though, yes, Yale and Brown I guess are my top 2 choices. I hesitate with Yale because of the research heavy nature of the institution and faculty. I guess a better program to compare Brown to would be RWJ?
 

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Hello... would appreciate thoughts on these programs for my rank list. Thank you so much !
  • How do people feel about Yale vs. Brown.
  • RWJ vs. Boston vs. Tufts
  • SUNY Stonybrook vs. Northshore LIJ
  • U. Michigan vs. UNC vs. Wake Forest vs. U of Rochester
  • Thomas Jefferson vs. GWU vs. U Maryland
I'll indulge you. With that caveat that your reasons for choosing one over another are probably valid.

Yale > Brown
Boston >= RWJ > Tufts (though some people will put Boston below RWJ or at the bottom of that list)
Stony Brook > NSLIJ
Michigan > UNC > Wake Forest = Rochester
UMD >= Jefferson > GWU
 
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Hello... would appreciate thoughts on these programs for my rank list. Thank you so much !
  • How do people feel about Yale vs. Brown.
  • RWJ vs. Boston vs. Tufts
  • SUNY Stonybrook vs. Northshore LIJ
  • U. Michigan vs. UNC vs. Wake Forest vs. U of Rochester
  • Thomas Jefferson vs. GWU vs. U Maryland

The reason for the groupings is because I am having trouble ranking those particular ones with respect to the others in that "group". The overall bulleted list is not ordered according to my rank list... Though, yes, Yale and Brown I guess are my top 2 choices. I hesitate with Yale because of the research heavy nature of the institution and faculty. I guess a better program to compare Brown to would be RWJ?

this makes me think you need to elaborate more on what you are looking for in a program but since you haven't i'll rank them based on perceived reputation...first using your strange groupings then more generally since I think your list is way off (purely from a reputation perspective)
  • Yale >> Brown.
  • Boston > RWJ = Tufts
  • SUNY Stonybrook > Northshore LIJ (the latter attracts more competitive residents solely due to location but if you look at their match list it's fairly dismal with just a slew of in-house matches)
  • U. Michigan > UNC > Wake Forest = U of Rochester
  • U Maryland > Thomas Jefferson >> GWU
now for the way you should have them in order of tiers and IMO Brown shouldn't even be in the top 5:
  1. Yale vs. U. Michigan vs. UNC
  2. Boston vs. Brown vs. U Maryland vs. Thomas Jefferson
  3. RWJ vs. Tufts vs. Wake Forest vs. U of Rochester
  4. SUNY Stonybrook vs. Northshore LIJ vs. GWU
if you want to talk about this more openly feel free to PM me
 

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Hey all- long time reader of this thread. Good luck to everyone come Feb 25th and March 20th! I'm interested in heme/onc fellowship after residency. I would like to go to California ideally for residency but I don't want to sacrifice fellowship opportunities at an academic heme/onc fellowship program in the future. Any input would be appreciated! Thanks! Here are the programs in the running and I would appreciate your help in ranking the following:
  • Iowa
  • Nebraska
  • Univ of Cincinnati
  • Univ of Arizona
  • Medical College of WI
  • Rush
  • St Louis University
  • University of California-Riverside
  • Loma Linda University
  • UCLA Olive-View
  • Virginia Commonwealth University
  • Scripps Mercy Hospital (San Diego)
  • Kaiser Santa Clara
  • Mt Sinai/Beth Israel (NYC)
 

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For my roommate (actually...):
He thinks:
1) Yale
2) Cornell
3) Pittsburgh
4) Michigan
5) southwestern

He is wondering if anything is out of order. Understands some would put Michigan 1
 
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For my roommate (actually...):
He thinks:
1) Yale
2) Cornell
3) Pittsburgh
4) Michigan
5) southwestern

He is wondering if anything is out of order. Understands some would put Michigan 1

It's fine, if he ranked them how he liked them. U of M would be first on my list of all of those (everybody was really nice, but it's balls cold there. AA seems fun), and UTSW was near the bottom when I ranked (I got explosive diarrhea from all the rich food they gave us on interview day), but all of those placed. Good fellowships will be obtainable by training at any of those places.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I think his biggest question is Yale vs cornell? He likes Pitt to because of the general NE/mid Atlantic region
 

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Hi guys! Could you please help me rank these places? I dont have any geographical preferences, I just want to go to the best place possible. Thanks!

1)UPMC
2) UAB
3) Case western UH
4) Boston university
5) albert einstein jacobi
6) medstar washington
7) ford
8) houston methodist
9) mount sinai miami
10)bridgeport yale
11) advocate masonic

thanks!!! :)
 

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Hi guys! Could you please help me rank these places? I dont have any geographical preferences, I just want to go to the best place possible. Thanks!

1)UPMC
2) UAB
3) Case western UH
4) Boston university
5) albert einstein jacobi
6) medstar washington
7) ford
8) houston methodist
9) mount sinai miami
10)bridgeport yale
11) advocate masonic

thanks!!! :)

Is that your ranking? Please rank first and tell us if you're looking for fellowship/which one, what you liked about each, help us help you.
 

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ok thanks!
Yes, that is my ranking. I dont think I am doing a fellowship

1)UPMC: amazing program, super nice PD, excellent residents, people seem happy
2) UAB: lots of research, amazing program, super nice PD, excellent residents, people seem happy
3) Case western: very happy residents, cheap city, good program, open to change
4) BU: happy and very nice residents, awesome city
5) AE jacobi: awesome city, nice PD
6)medstar: seems like a there is a lot of teaching going on
7) Ford: very nice residents
8) Methodist: nice interviewers
9)mt sinai miami: residents look happy, city is amazing
10) bridgeport yale: close to ny
11) advocate masonic: chicago is great
 

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ok thanks!
Yes, that is my ranking. I dont think I am doing a fellowship

1)UPMC: amazing program, super nice PD, excellent residents, people seem happy
2) UAB: lots of research, amazing program, super nice PD, excellent residents, people seem happy
3) Case western: very happy residents, cheap city, good program, open to change
4) BU: happy and very nice residents, awesome city
5) AE jacobi: awesome city, nice PD
6)medstar: seems like a there is a lot of teaching going on
7) Ford: very nice residents
8) Methodist: nice interviewers
9)mt sinai miami: residents look happy, city is amazing
10) bridgeport yale: close to ny
11) advocate masonic: chicago is great

That looks good I think. Since you don't want to do fellowship I would go mainly for location preference. I would put BU higher, though it's still OK where it is. Not sure why you think the Bronx is nice but I guess it's a personal preference...I would put Jacobi lower. I interviewed at Methodist too and I liked the program a lot but Houston may not be the best city on your list.
 

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Handsome thank you very much! I love manhattan, not the bronx. I put Methodist low because I did not get to meet the residents, I thought that was weird.
 

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Handsome thank you very much! I love manhattan, not the bronx. I put Methodist low because I did not get to meet the residents, I thought that was weird.

That's strange, we had a pre-inteview dinner and 2-3 residents came and talked to us during the interview day. They were nice and happy (with a few exceptions as always).
 

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Hey all- long time reader of this thread. Good luck to everyone come Feb 25th and March 20th! I'm interested in heme/onc fellowship after residency. I would like to go to California ideally for residency but I don't want to sacrifice fellowship opportunities at an academic heme/onc fellowship program in the future. Any input would be appreciated! Thanks! Here are the programs in the running and I would appreciate your help in ranking the following:
  • Iowa
  • Nebraska
  • Univ of Cincinnati
  • Univ of Arizona
  • Medical College of WI
  • Rush
  • St Louis University
  • University of California-Riverside
  • Loma Linda University
  • UCLA Olive-View
  • Virginia Commonwealth University
  • Scripps Mercy Hospital (San Diego)
  • Kaiser Santa Clara
  • Mt Sinai/Beth Israel (NYC)

VCU = Iowa > Cincy > UA = MCW > Rush > Scripps = Olive View = LL = Nebraska > UC Riverside = SLU > Beth Israel > Kaiser
 

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Thanks for the reply. I think his biggest question is Yale vs cornell? He likes Pitt to because of the general NE/mid Atlantic region

Michigan is the best program on that list. Yale will impress your parents and your friends, but it rides on the reputation of the undergrad and medical school. I liked Pitt over Yale back when I interviewed.

Cornell you have to be really sure you want to be in NYC to deal with all the sacrifices and difficulty that comes with training in NYC.
 

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Hi guys! Could you please help me rank these places? I dont have any geographical preferences, I just want to go to the best place possible. Thanks!

1)UPMC
2) UAB
3) Case western UH
4) Boston university
5) albert einstein jacobi
6) medstar washington
7) ford
8) houston methodist
9) mount sinai miami
10)bridgeport yale
11) advocate masonic

thanks!!! :)

Looks reasonable, hope you get one of your top 3/4, it really drops off after that.
 

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Posted here a little earlier but list has changed somewhat since then.

Vanderbilt
UTSW
- a little intimidated by the environment, is it much more intense than others at the top of my list (e.g., Vandy)?
Baylor
UVa - little unsure of what to do with UVa, initially had it ranked much lower, but thinking back on it, felt like I liked it a lot. Smaller program, but got along well with the residents.
Emory
UAB
UCSD
Pitt
Case Western
Ohio State
UFlorida
MUSC
Wake Forest


I guess my biggest question marks are UTSW and UVa. I also wouldn't mind any advice regarding ranking near the bottom of the list
 

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Posted here a little earlier but list has changed somewhat since then.

Vanderbilt
UTSW
- a little intimidated by the environment, is it much more intense than others at the top of my list (e.g., Vandy)?
Baylor
UVa
- little unsure of what to do with UVa, initially had it ranked much lower, but thinking back on it, felt like I liked it a lot. Smaller program, but got along well with the residents.
Emory
UAB
UCSD
Pitt
Case Western
Ohio State
UFlorida
MUSC
Wake Forest


I guess my biggest question marks are UTSW and UVa. I also wouldn't mind any advice regarding ranking near the bottom of the list

At least when I trained utsw could be considered a little more clinically intensive especially than other places with a lot of ICU rotations and none of the 4+ 1 block scheduling now but I wouldn't necessarily say that it was an intimidating place. Its probably not somewhere I would consider a lot of hand holding place though. I think your list looks OK as it is. If you have a good feeling about a program, then you should rank where you want it to be so if you like UVA, then by all means rank it high since its not like some JV squad residency program.
 

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Hey guys, need your help. I'm an IMG and here is my current rank list. Looking at a hospitalist vs. Cardiology fellowship career path. Any opinions on this would be appreciated. (From NC, but prefer Philly and my 1-3, and 10-14 are pretty set. 4-9 is what I need the most advice on)

1). Drexel
2.) ECU
3.) Cleveland Clinic Florida
4.) Memorial Health - Savannah
5.) UConn -- (Note: interview cancelled due to weather, was granted phone interview so pretty sure that it is likely to affect their ranking of me).
6.) Virginia Tech
7.) EVMS
8.) SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
9.) University of Miami/Palm Beach
10.) Mercer
11.) Aventura
12.) New Hanover Regional
13.) Kendall
14.) FAU
 

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hi folks, long time follower of this thread. would this order close any doors and Would it be a cardinal sin placing WashU this low? I really enjoyed my ohsu interview (as most people probably do). interested in HemeOnc/GI/Cards for fellowship. thanks
-Mayo
-OHSU
-Pitt
-Brown
-WashU
-Dartmouth
-Boston U
-the rest

No. Go with your gut. I placed MGH near the bottom of my list below a lot of medicre programs because I had a visceral reaction to them. If you don't like a place, you don't like a place. It's as simple as that.
 

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Hi guys! Could you please help me rank these places? I dont have any geographical preferences, I just want to go to the best place possible. Thanks!

1)UPMC
2) UAB
3) Case western UH
4) Boston university
5) albert einstein jacobi
6) medstar washington
7) ford
8) houston methodist
9) mount sinai miami
10)bridgeport yale
11) advocate masonic

thanks!!! :)

UAB
UPMC
BU
Case
?Houston methodist has a reasonable cards program

i have heard medicore things about medstar and their desire for teaching but this is through the grapevine from a neighboring city...
 

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Posted here a little earlier but list has changed somewhat since then.

Vanderbilt
UTSW
- a little intimidated by the environment, is it much more intense than others at the top of my list (e.g., Vandy)?
Baylor
UVa
- little unsure of what to do with UVa, initially had it ranked much lower, but thinking back on it, felt like I liked it a lot. Smaller program, but got along well with the residents.
Emory
UAB
UCSD
Pitt
Case Western
Ohio State
UFlorida
MUSC
Wake Forest


I guess my biggest question marks are UTSW and UVa. I also wouldn't mind any advice regarding ranking near the bottom of the list

Reasonable ranking.

UAB could be higher (or not)
UVA could be above Baylor (or not)

Could rank:
Vandy/UTSW
UVA
UAB
Emory
others

The top of your list is pretty comparable so if you liked a place more than the others, go as you have it.
 

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Hey guys, need your help. I'm an IMG and here is my current rank list. Looking at a hospitalist vs. Cardiology fellowship career path. Any opinions on this would be appreciated. (From NC, but prefer Philly and my 1-3, and 10-14 are pretty set. 4-9 is what I need the most advice on)

1). Drexel
2.) ECU
3.) Cleveland Clinic Florida
4.) Memorial Health - Savannah
5.) UConn -- (Note: interview cancelled due to weather, was granted phone interview so pretty sure that it is likely to affect their ranking of me).
6.) Virginia Tech
7.) EVMS
8.) SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
9.) University of Miami/Palm Beach
10.) Mercer
11.) Aventura
12.) New Hanover Regional
13.) Kendall
14.) FAU

I'd still put UConn higher despite the phone interview; at worst, you'll drop below them on your rank list. IMHO:

1). Drexel
2.)UConn
3.)SUNY Downstate (Brooklyn)
4.)ECU
5.)EVMS
6.)Virginia Tech-Carilion
7.)Memorial Health - Savannah
8.)Cleveland Clinic Florida
9.) University of Miami/Palm Beach
10.) Mercer
11.) New Hanover Regional
12.) Aventura
13.) Kendall
14.) FAU
 

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My rank:
1. Michigan
2. WashU
3. Mayo
4. UTSW
5. UCSD
6. Yale
7. Wisconsin
8. UNC
9. Emory
I want to do GI. I know all of these programs give me a decent chance. Any thoughts on my ranking and what you think I should reconsider? Such as UTSW under mayo or UCSD over yale?
 

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My rank:
1. Michigan
2. WashU
3. Mayo
4. UTSW
5. UCSD
6. Yale
7. Wisconsin
8. UNC
9. Emory
I want to do GI. I know all of these programs give me a decent chance. Any thoughts on my ranking and what you think I should reconsider? Such as UTSW under mayo or UCSD over yale?

It's fine the way it is.
 

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I am an IMG and was just looking for some advice on my current rank list. I am really torn about my top 5. I have no geographic preference for residency and am interested in pursuing hospitalist medicine vs. GI or Heme/Onc. Thank you in advance.

1. University of Massachusetts
2. University of Cincinnati
3. University of Kentucky
4. University of Arizona
5. University of Connecticut
 

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I am an IMG and was just looking for some advice on my current rank list. I am really torn about my top 5. I have no geographic preference for residency and am interested in pursuing hospitalist medicine vs. GI or Heme/Onc. Thank you in advance.

1. University of Massachusetts
2. University of Cincinnati
3. University of Kentucky
4. University of Arizona
5. University of Connecticut

I don't blame you...
But I keep telling people, if they want to become hospitalists...why does reputation matter (as long as they train you well)? Pick based on location and where you would be happy.

Worcester is probably the worse city on your list but a lot from there choose to become hospitalists/general internists for whatever reason.

I think UConn should be much higher and I think is your #1 (?)
 
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Guys what do you think about albert einstein jacobi? People think I am ranking it higher than I should but Im not sure why
 

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Guys what do you think about albert einstein jacobi? People think I am ranking it higher than I should but Im not sure why

I think because there's such a big drop after your first 4 and your other programs they might think it's too high. I just personally didn't like Bronx and I'm going for a competitive fellowship so I rank it lower.

What do people think about Jacobi Vs. Baystate/tufts Vs. UBuffalo? Any major difference here?
 
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I think because there's such a big drop after your first 4 and your other programs they might think it's too high. I just personally didn't like Bronx and I'm going for a competitive fellowship so I rank it lower.

What do people think about Jacobi Vs. Baystate/tufts Vs. UBuffalo? Any major difference here?
Sorry Handsome, I dont know about those places. Out of my list, which one would you rank fifth?
 

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Sorry Handsome, I dont know about those places. Out of my list, which one would you rank fifth?

Again it really doesn't matter how I would rank them, it's about what you liked. The programs after your 4th don't have great difference between them really and that's all I can say. If you really want to live in Manhattan then keep Jacobi where it is. I personally don't want to commute 30-45 minutes in NYC twice a day when I'm tired post call and live in an area where you'd be hard pressed to find a tiny apartment for less than $1800. Others don't mind it.

Go with your gut! Good luck!
 

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Struggling on whether to rank UCincinnati or Wake as my #2. Both programs seem like they offer great teaching. I am looking at pulm crit if I do a fellowship

Wake seems to do slightly better in fellowship matching (better reputation?), but Cincinnati has noticeably higher salary with similar cost of living. Neither city stands out to me
 

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Struggling on whether to rank UCincinnati or Wake as my #2. Both programs seem like they offer great teaching. I am looking at pulm crit if I do a fellowship

Wake seems to do slightly better in fellowship matching (better reputation?), but Cincinnati has noticeably higher salary with similar cost of living. Neither city stands out to me
Wake has a more traditional schedule with better fellowship match. I would rank it higher
 

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My top 5, Any thoughts on my ranking and what you think I should reconsider, I would like to do Nephrology.

1. Mount Sinai St. Lukes/Roosevelt, NYC
2. Einstein Medical Center, Philadelphia
3. Albert Einstein Jacobi, NYC
4.William Beaumont, Michigan
5. Cook County, Chicago

Thanks guys
 

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My top 5, Any thoughts on my ranking and what you think I should reconsider, I would like to do Nephrology.

1. Mount Sinai St. Lukes/Roosevelt, NYC
2. Einstein Medical Center, Philadelphia
3. Albert Einstein Jacobi, NYC
4.William Beaumont, Michigan
5. Cook County, Chicago

Thanks guys
It's fine as it is. Einstein philly has a decently strong fellowship match.
 

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It's fine as it is. Einstein philly has a decently strong fellowship match.

I looked at their fellowship and it doesn't make any sense...it's crazy good isn't it? Better than a ton of mid tier university programs it seems like
 

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Hello....first time poster.

Please help me rank my programs - I have them ordered on how I felt about them and am not sure if I am missing something.

I am interested in a competitive fellowship - location isn't as important as fellowship/vibe.

Thanks in advance.

1) North Shore -LIJ
2) Stony Brook University
3) UCONN
4) Univ. of Nebraska
5) Suny Downstate
6) Beth Israel
7) NJMS Rutgers
8) UT HOUSTON
9) University of Arizona
 

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The stronger fellowship match come from the chiefs, that can inflate their match a little bit.
I have a friend who rotated at Einstein, and he was amazed by the clinical acumen of some of the Einstein's residents.

I looked at their fellowship and it doesn't make any sense...it's crazy good isn't it? Better than a ton of mid tier university programs it seems like
 

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I looked at their fellowship and it doesn't make any sense...it's crazy good isn't it? Better than a ton of mid tier university programs it seems like
They definitely do well.

Hello....first time poster.

Please help me rank my programs - I have them ordered on how I felt about them and am not sure if I am missing something.

I am interested in a competitive fellowship - location isn't as important as fellowship/vibe.

Thanks in advance.

1) North Shore -LIJ
2) Stony Brook University
3) UCONN
4) Univ. of Nebraska
5) Suny Downstate
6) Beth Israel
7) NJMS Rutgers
8) UT HOUSTON
9) University of Arizona
There's nothing that absolutely has to be changed, although NSLIJ at the top doesn't really go with your goal of a competitive fellowship, their match list isn't the greatest of the lot on your list, although if you're okay with in-house options then it's a different story.
 

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Hi everyone! I'm having trouble with my #3-6 and would really appreciate some input. I'm interested in GI. Here goes...

#3 Jackson Memorial - PROS: High volume with a lot of sick patients, great location, plenty of job opportunities for my fiancee, and a GI program with 5 spots/yr (mostly filled internally). Main CON: "University-affiliated."

#4 Univ of Cincinnati - PROS: The chair and PD, an ambulatory "long block" with rotations through all subspecialties while allowing tons of golden weekends and time for research, and 3 GI spots/yr (mostly filled EXternally). Main CON: How likely are fellowship options outside of the region?

#5 Univ of South Florida - PROS: A visionary chair, location, future in-laws are looking to relocate here, 4 GI spots/yr. Main CON: Hearing "What's USF?" a lot.

#6 Univ of Utah - PROS: A strong chair and PD (of nearly 10 years!), a lot of NIH money, beautiful scenery, 3 GI spots/yr. Main CON: I felt like an outsider here.

Thank you!

Bumping myself...Am I damaging my fellowship options if I keep it in this order? What do you recommend? Thank you!
 

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Kind of depends on your 1 and 2. I think that from a strict program strength and reputation standpoint, Utah is well ahead of those others. It's also got a stellar GI program and more research opportunities than most of the other places.

But you won't nuke your career if you wind up at one of those other places.
 
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