dajimmers said:
I got pretty much the exact same impression of them. Though, there were other groups that were studying in the library, but they got picked on and labeled as gunners by the others. If it isn't the school in general, then at least that says that the class isn't very cohesive...
Since i may possibly be one of the m4 adcom at NU, and perhaps i was one of the people during your interview or panel that projected a sense of "partying" at NU, let me clarify a few things.
In general, for all medical schools, there is no grand unifying cohesiveness in medical school any more than there was for your high school class. medical schools are full of cliques, different personality types, and people from extremely varied backgrounds. There will be a meth-addict, alcoholic that'll end up at harvard and drop-out, and a genius gunner-virgin chick that will attend some crap med school and end up at UCSF plastics. every class will vary for every school, and if you are seeking some abstracted sense of a grand unifying cohesiveness at a school then you are in for a surprise come next year, regardless of what institution you decide to attend.
if you think it's a bad thing that people come off relaxed, happy, and can party it up during medical school, then perhaps you DO belong at a different institution, because i'm quite happy how much i've gotten out of NU without having to kill myself.
as i spent my last 4 years at NU, i can candidly tell you it's strengths and weaknesses.
i'll start with it's weaknesses:
-NU is extremely strict with the way you can structure your clinical clerkship courses. you can not take electives or do research during your 3rd year. it is extremely difficult (although some classmates somehow figured a way) to get elective credit doing research your 4th year.
-NU has many mandatory clerkships your 4th year. there is a 6 week medicine sub-internship, 4 week emergency medicine, 2 week rehab, 4 week intensive care unit, and 4 electives. while i do recognize that some of these clerkships will be useful for my education, what was extremely frustrating was that even considering the amount of mandatory clerkships during our 4th year, the 4 elective months you are given have strings attached. you can not do more than 2 electives of the same specialty. so lets say you wanted to go do ortho. (a specialty where doing away rotations is very important). you could do one home rotation and only one away rotation. you would not get credit for any other ortho related rotations and would have to pick something in a different field.
-In my year, NU had only Honors/Pass for our clerkships. several studies have suggested that schools with honors/high pass/pass may help the overall application strength for it's students. luckily, this has been changed and is being instituted henceforth from the class of 2007.
-technical experience. (i.e. scut work) due to the quality of ancillary staff, you will never need to do a ton of procedural tasks such as a ton of blood draws, enemas, disimpactions, etc.
NU strengths:
-pass/fail first two years. i highly recommend for all prospective students to consider the advantages of this system, regardless of what schools you are considering. pass/fail, essentially means you can devote your time to studying for boards. boards are extremely key for obtaining the more competitive specialties. the average for the last few years at NU has been over 230. (national mean is 217, standard deviation around 17). to give you perspective, competitive fields such as ENT, neurosurgery, etc, have a mean match usmle step1 score around 235.
-location. if you have visited this school, then you will know.
-reputation. although it's still in the shadows of the schools that rank in the us news top 10, northwestern has a very strong reputation that does make a difference when it comes to applying for residencies.
-funding. this school is LOADED and EXPANDING. the new lecture halls are fantastic (of course they built this after i finished preclinicals), brand new clinical teaching rooms. brand new lurie research center just finished. a huge brand new women's hospital which will be finished in 2007. they will be adding a whole new tower where the VA westside used to be. a new children's hospital (location undecided) is scheduled to be built soon.
-quality of faculty/teaching. as goes with any strong institution, you learn alot from the residents and faculty you work with. there are some very strong departments at NU.
the outstanding departments
Plastics
Urology
Physical Medicine and Rehab
Very strong:
Medicine
Radiology
Ob Gyn
Peds
Surgery
Ortho
Neurosurg
the department of neurology needs some work, but they have made some serious strides with the recruitment of Kessler, a serious big-wig.
okay, i'm done with this rant. i'm very happy with NU. i just wanted to tell you something useful rather than give you a blanket statement that'll you'll see on SDN of how great their respective institution is. choose wisely, and congratulations to those who received acceptances to NU.
you can email me questions, and if you are deciding between two schools i will tell you honestly what i think.