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So lets just start this now : ), who is taking the CBSE February 2024?
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I'm planning for February as well but applying the following year since I'm currently a D2.
Is there anyone that applied or will apply to Jacobi/Wyckoff that know any resident contacts? I've been trying to ask around because I'd love to know more about the programs. Thank you 🙂
 
m0larm0lar said:
I'm planning for February as well but applying the following year since I'm currently a D2.
Is there anyone that applied or will apply to Jacobi/Wyckoff that know any resident contacts? I've been trying to ask around because I'd love to know more about the programs. Thank you 🙂
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I matched to Jacobi for the upcoming cycle! If you have any questions feel free to PM me!
 
Has anyone been to the ASDA Annual Session? Were all residency programs there?
 
Hey guys! New here, but I'm taking CBSE in February 2024! 3 weeks away from now.
 
Anyone know what the CBSE scores ranged for programs like NYU Langone/Stonybrook? Thank you!
 
m0larm0lar said:
Has anyone been to the ASDA Annual Session? Were all residency programs there?
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I went once a couple years ago. Not all residency programs will be there. I remember talking to a NYU Langone representative, and that program has nearly every specialty. Sometimes residents from a couple programs will be there, but I only remember this from OMFS programs.

Every year is different, if you have the opportunity to go and this is your first time, then I say do it!
 
I believe scores were just released today! What is generally considered a good score? (with the conversion)
 
Any info on U Toronto program? Do they take US candidates?
 
m0larm0lar said:
Has anyone been to the ASDA Annual Session? Were all residency programs there?
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Almost all programs are usually there. The written board exam is administered there and the residents have a poster/presentation session there to showcase their work in THE forum that sponsors the specialty. If a program doesn’t show up to this event regularly - it should speak for itself.
 
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Trying to understand this field - anybody willing to share where DAs get jobs? Do they generally just hop around office to office to provider anesthesia? Or do they get jobs at OMFS offices?
 
dentalstudent1445 said:
Trying to understand this field - anybody willing to share where DAs get jobs? Do they generally just hop around office to office to provider anesthesia? Or do they get jobs at OMFS offices?
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Most join a practice or start their own group. Mobile practice is the name of the game, traveling to various offices providing anesthesia sedation for general dentists, pediatric and OMFS. Doesn’t seem very common to stick with just one office, unless you’re working at an ASC with multiple doctors providing treatment
 
Hi everyone! Just took the CBSE. Do we have an idea of when scores will be out? I was thinking a week after the 14th but not sure.

Also, does anyone know if the Ohio and Pitt externships are active? I emailed both with no response.
 
Hammy1754 said:
Hi everyone! Just took the CBSE. Do we have an idea of when scores will be out? I was thinking a week after the 14th but not sure.

Also, does anyone know if the Ohio and Pitt externships are active? I emailed both with no response.
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Pitt was still doing externships, but I think they take a pause from it during their new resident onboarding.

Never got any response from Ohio either. Makes me wonder if something is up with them? If you look back a couple cycles ago, they all of a sudden decided they were not taking residents.

Also how was the CBSE? I feel like there is nothing that helps gauge how you will do, and it's a lot of self teaching to try to juggle with school/residency/full time job. Looking at the past few cycles it seems like people just had to take it and could still match even after scoring poorly. Those cycles it might have just been a trial to see if CBSE is a predictor of success in DA, but the unknown is when is the cycle where this exam is actually going to count.
 
dent_wannabe said:
Pitt was still doing externships, but I think they take a pause from it during their new resident onboarding.

Never got any response from Ohio either. Makes me wonder if something is up with them? If you look back a couple cycles ago, they all of a sudden decided they were not taking residents.

Also how was the CBSE? I feel like there is nothing that helps gauge how you will do, and it's a lot of self teaching to try to juggle with school/residency/full time job. Looking at the past few cycles it seems like people just had to take it and could still match even after scoring poorly. Those cycles it might have just been a trial to see if CBSE is a predictor of success in DA, but the unknown is when is the cycle where this exam is actually going to count.
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Hm ok good to know. I’ll follow up with those programs this week.

The CBSE wasn’t too bad. I felt it was pretty fair. I think it’s hard to guess how you did but scores on NBMEs seem to be predictive. Can’t wait to see the results 😬

It does seem that many matched applicants had very low scores so it seems like it’s not a dealbreaker. At the same time all the knowledge is stuff we will need to know so it’s worth trying hard on it.

There was a journal article posted I found on google, asking all DA program directors their criteria for applicant evaluation. I believe they all said they prefer to use a standardized exam aka the CBSE as a differentiator.

Also on another note, I’m really curious how this cycle will play out. I think because of COVID, all residencies had a huge increase in apps for 2021, and every year since there has been a steady decline. This is for all residencies except ortho which is still getting more and more apps. But if the trend holds, there would be something like 45 apps for now ~35 spots for us which is pretty great odds. I found this data on the national match website. Who knows what will happen, though. At my school there are three applicants this cycle compared to one last year, not sure if that’s indicative of anything. Do you know how many are applying at your school vs last year?
 
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Hammy1754 said:
Hm ok good to know. I’ll follow up with those programs this week.

The CBSE wasn’t too bad. I felt it was pretty fair. I think it’s hard to guess how you did but scores on NBMEs seem to be predictive. Can’t wait to see the results 😬

It does seem that many matched applicants had very low scores so it seems like it’s not a dealbreaker. At the same time all the knowledge is stuff we will need to know so it’s worth trying hard on it.

There was a journal article posted I found on google, asking all DA program directors their criteria for applicant evaluation. I believe they all said they prefer to use a standardized exam aka the CBSE as a differentiator.

Also on another note, I’m really curious how this cycle will play out. I think because of COVID, all residencies had a huge increase in apps for 2021, and every year since there has been a steady decline. This is for all residencies except ortho which is still getting more and more apps. But if the trend holds, there would be something like 45 apps for now ~35 spots for us which is pretty great odds. I found this data on the national match website. Who knows what will happen, though. At my school there are three applicants this cycle compared to one last year, not sure if that’s indicative of anything. Do you know how many are applying at your school vs last year?
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There are still many more applicants than spots for dental anesthesiology. And no unmatched spots for several years.
 
Hammy1754 said:
Hm ok good to know. I’ll follow up with those programs this week.

The CBSE wasn’t too bad. I felt it was pretty fair. I think it’s hard to guess how you did but scores on NBMEs seem to be predictive. Can’t wait to see the results 😬

It does seem that many matched applicants had very low scores so it seems like it’s not a dealbreaker. At the same time all the knowledge is stuff we will need to know so it’s worth trying hard on it.

There was a journal article posted I found on google, asking all DA program directors their criteria for applicant evaluation. I believe they all said they prefer to use a standardized exam aka the CBSE as a differentiator.

Also on another note, I’m really curious how this cycle will play out. I think because of COVID, all residencies had a huge increase in apps for 2021, and every year since there has been a steady decline. This is for all residencies except ortho which is still getting more and more apps. But if the trend holds, there would be something like 45 apps for now ~35 spots for us which is pretty great odds. I found this data on the national match website. Who knows what will happen, though. At my school there are three applicants this cycle compared to one last year, not sure if that’s indicative of anything. Do you know how many are applying at your school vs last year?
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Don't know who is doing what at my school. I actually finished GPR and DA crossed my mind only because of anesthesia rotation (a CODA requirement for GPRs). Didn't have a whole lot of time and guidance as for how to approach the CBSE, but yeah I certainly see how it is relevant to the specialty. I got Med School Bootcamp hoping it helps, but it is a lot of content and residency duties really limited how much time I was able to devote. It sucks that there is only such a small window this exam is offered unlike the DAT or INBDE, but I did get a one year subscription so if I really bomb it and need to retake, I still have enough time left on it to study for a February retake.

I've wanted to apply this year, but I'm also having such a hard time finding dental anesthesiologists to shadow. Of the ones I have found within reasonable radius, I either don't get a response, or their office staff say they will get back to me and they never do (even after follow up). Apparently not having this is an application dealbreaker, and none of the experiences I had with physician anesthesiologists are able to make up for it.
 
Hammy1754 said:
Sure, I know! Like I said I’ve seen the natmatch stats and know how many apps and spots there were the past 5 years. Here’s the link for everyone: https://natmatch.com/dentres/stats/2024sumstats.pdf
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Yes. Thanks for sharing the link. The piece of information that you are missing here is that you only see how many candidates get ranked. You don’t see how many unique individuals apply to each program. As of the last 2-3 years, maybe it’s Covid, maybe it’s generational, the applicants have been applying to fewer programs. They have been thinking about “gaming “ the match by only applying to their favorite places and playing their odds w the post match. It has been extremely problematic for GPRs, and other programs other than DA. For DA…So each applicant will apply to 2-4 programs. But many more applicants over all. The first round of cuts is who gets interviewed, the next round of cuts is who gets ranked. The final round of cuts is the match. So the match stats you reference fail to include that initial group of applicants. The PDs have traded notes and there are more applicants than on those match stats. It’s to the detriment of the applicant to restrict the number of places you apply to as there are so few spots to begin with. So , cast a wide net
 
treesandsteeps said:
Yes. Thanks for sharing the link. The piece of information that you are missing here is that you only see how many candidates get ranked. You don’t see how many unique individuals apply to each program. As of the last 2-3 years, maybe it’s Covid, maybe it’s generational, the applicants have been applying to fewer programs. They have been thinking about “gaming “ the match by only applying to their favorite places and playing their odds w the post match. It has been extremely problematic for GPRs, and other programs other than DA. For DA…So each applicant will apply to 2-4 programs. But many more applicants over all. The first round of cuts is who gets interviewed, the next round of cuts is who gets ranked. The final round of cuts is the match. So the match stats you reference fail to include that initial group of applicants. The PDs have traded notes and there are more applicants than on those match stats. It’s to the detriment of the applicant to restrict the number of places you apply to as there are so few spots to begin with. So , cast a wide net
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Ahh ok I understand
 
treesandsteeps said:
Yes. Thanks for sharing the link. The piece of information that you are missing here is that you only see how many candidates get ranked. You don’t see how many unique individuals apply to each program. As of the last 2-3 years, maybe it’s Covid, maybe it’s generational, the applicants have been applying to fewer programs. They have been thinking about “gaming “ the match by only applying to their favorite places and playing their odds w the post match. It has been extremely problematic for GPRs, and other programs other than DA. For DA…So each applicant will apply to 2-4 programs. But many more applicants over all. The first round of cuts is who gets interviewed, the next round of cuts is who gets ranked. The final round of cuts is the match. So the match stats you reference fail to include that initial group of applicants. The PDs have traded notes and there are more applicants than on those match stats. It’s to the detriment of the applicant to restrict the number of places you apply to as there are so few spots to begin with. So , cast a wide net
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I'm not sure how anybody benefits from only applying to their favorite places and playing their odds with post match, I don't see the logic behind how that is a strategy to "game the match". Programs well sought after will likely fill all their positions with match, so your options when looking into post match may not be the most desirable ones. For ortho, Georgia College of Orthodontics is the one program that has several post match positions every year, and anybody in ortho can tell you why that is. You can also access the post match list without having to have participated in match, so you don't need to intentionally set yourself up to not match in order to go for post match.

For GPR/AEGD, it is justifiable to only apply to or rank your favorite programs. I don't think those people do it with the intent of going for post match, but rather because going straight to work is always an option for being a GP. People are advised not to do a GPR/AEGD just to do one, as there is an opportunity cost associated with it, so they think its either they get into a program they really want to be at or they go work. For specialties, it's a different story. If you really want to do a certain specialty, hopefully you will cast a decent sized net. The consensus for DA seems to be because there are so few spots, if this is the specialty you really want you can't be very choosy about where you are willing to go. However, if you are fine with the alternative of sticking to GP, applying to only your favorites can be a fine decision.

Also for residencies, I found that often times, if you are a qualified candidate you get an interview. Unlike applying to dental schools, getting an interview does not necessarily mean you made it past a big cut. Program directors also have nothing to lose by ranking everybody they consider to be an acceptable candidate on their match list. In the end, the algorithm gives both the applicant and program the most optimal match after considering how both parties ranked each other. Unless you did not research the requirements to apply to a program or your interview skills were unacceptable (in which case how did you even get into dental school), I cannot imagine these rounds cutting out that many candidates.
 
It doesn’t look good to only apply to a few programs. If you really want to become a DA you should apply to every program. If we find out applicants have only applied to a couple of programs, it’s usually seen as a red flag
 
The CBSE testing window is now over for July so here’s hoping scores come out this week. Wishing everyone awaiting results well.

Edit: I called the NBME and they said results should come out 2-3 business days after the close of the testing window
 
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Hammy1754 said:
The CBSE testing window is now over for July so here’s hoping scores come out this week. Wishing everyone awaiting results well.

Edit: I called the NBME and they said results should come out 2-3 business days after the close of the testing window
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wdym? the july exam is on the 27th
 
omgomfs said:
wdym? the july exam is on the 27th
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I took the exam through ASDA (American Society of Dentist Anesthesiologists) with a testing window from July 1st - 14th. For the AAOMS administration results should come out a week after the test.
 
So here’s an update for all future ASDA CBSE takers: the NBME has sent scores to ASDA today (2-3 days after close of the testing window), and will post scores on mynbme.org 72 clock hours after today which is their policy.

Edit: Despite all of that, results just posted today (July 19) for me lol. Not sure why but sharing again for future test-takers and posterity.
 
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Well score is out for me… I am lukewarm on it. Does anyone know what a comical score is? As in what should I not even bother applying with? I’m not too gutted bc I barely had the energy to study but also don’t want to waste the effort applying if programs will just laughably gloss over my app…
 
smdental20 said:
Well score is out for me… I am lukewarm on it. Does anyone know what a comical score is? As in what should I not even bother applying with? I’m not too gutted bc I barely had the energy to study but also don’t want to waste the effort applying if programs will just laughably gloss over my app…
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What was your score? Most programs don’t expect OMFS level scores
 
How is the oversaturation of CRNAs and MD anesthesiologists affecting job opportunities? Is it still possible to have a career as a dental anesthesiologist in a metro area like the tri state region?
 
smdental20 said:
Well score is out for me… I am lukewarm on it. Does anyone know what a comical score is? As in what should I not even bother applying with? I’m not too gutted bc I barely had the energy to study but also don’t want to waste the effort applying if programs will just laughably gloss over my app…
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Same, I got a 41. I also had so much on my plate it left me very little time to prep for it, and unfortunately there was just such a limited window to sit for the exam.
 
smdental20 said:
Well score is out for me… I am lukewarm on it. Does anyone know what a comical score is? As in what should I not even bother applying with? I’m not too gutted bc I barely had the energy to study but also don’t want to waste the effort applying if programs will just laughably gloss over my app…
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In past threads people have matched with 40s, so I wouldn't count yourself out if you have that.
 
SuxDrugs&Rocuronium said:
What was your score? Most programs don’t expect OMFS level scores
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A lukewarm 46. It’s better than what Bootcamp told me I’d get but it’s slightly lower than what I got on practice NBMEs.

I’ve externed a decent amount of times but have yet to get lots of shadowing under my belt. It’s just hard with 4-5 days of clinic.
 
Hammy1754 said:
In past threads people have matched with 40s, so I wouldn't count yourself out if you have that.
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Thanks. I saw someone matched to Jacobi with a 40 EPC last year but I’m wondering if that was acceptable bc it was their first official year for the requirement?

I guess it also depends how well the applicant pool does. If everyone gets 50-55+ then I’m pretty low 😅
 
dent_wannabe said:
Same, I got a 41. I also had so much on my plate it left me very little time to prep for it, and unfortunately there was just such a limited window to sit for the exam.
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Yeah same boat. I attempted to be super diligent about studying when I first started but then once I was in full clinic rotations 4-5 days per week + still having didactic, I just couldn’t keep up and it turned into like 1hr per day and whatever I could manage on weekends.

I basically crammed the last 2 weeks before the exam and hoped for the best lol
 
Healthfair said:
How is the oversaturation of CRNAs and MD anesthesiologists affecting job opportunities? Is it still possible to have a career as a dental anesthesiologist in a metro area like the tri state region?
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Does anyone have any input on this please?
 
Does anyone if we would be able to request a letter of recommendation after an externship from one of the attendings? I don't think that's a common thing but I thought I should ask.
 
Hammy1754 said:
Does anyone if we would be able to request a letter of recommendation after an externship from one of the attendings? I don't think that's a common thing but I thought I should ask.
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If you know the attending well, I don’t see an issue. If you just met them on your externship, it might be hard for them to truly write a strong letter after only knowing you for that short amount of time
 
Will be applying this cycle so just thought to say hello! Also, would like to understand where to upload CBSE score on ADEA PASS - under CV/Transcript?
 
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Anyone knows what should be an acceptable score of CBSE? Anyone knows about the Stony brook average?
 
name1234 said:
Will be applying this cycle so just thought to say hello! Also, would like to understand where to upload CBSE score on ADEA PASS - under CV/Transcript?
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Hi! If you took it through ASDA, then there was an option to send it to all the residency programs. If not, I would email programs. I imagine they would tell you either to upload it under documents in the app, or email it directly.
 
Would anyone like to do a social meetup for people around the NYC metro area? I think it would be fun
 
zhan1010 said:
Anyone knows what should be an acceptable score of CBSE? Anyone knows about the Stony brook average?
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I can only speak as an applicant, but I'm going to guess acceptable > 40, good > 60, great > 70. Great might even be > 60 but like I said I can only speculate. No idea about the Stony Brook avg.
 
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