PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

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Viscernable said:
FTR Wonda has sounded pretty okay to me. Nothing to really village read her on but her concerns yesterday sounded more like “I think you’re sus for pushing matt for reasons that I think are bs and might be manufactured sus TM” (which IMO is a perfectly reasonable way to read a push on someone you’re neutral on) than “I think you’re sus for pushing matt”. Her hedginess/exploring multiple possibilities in the same post is consistent with her previous games so NAI to me.
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I think this quote is from before wonda's reads today, so vis after reading her new reads have your thoughts changed?
Animal Midwife said:
I don't think she's genuinely wolf hunting.
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ouchie! me being a bum has nothing to do with affiliation
Animal Midwife said:
Which noobs? Last post you had only talked about Clem, Santy, and genny.
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AcTuAlLy i did have one post about veggie, in passing but I can expand on it more now that I have time: veggie's initial posting was a bit off, which I chalked up to being a noob that I dont know, but as they settled into posting thoughts regarding the thread it felt... disjointed? i guess? from the rest of thread, in that they were commenting thoughts that seemed to echo what was said by others further up the thread without really adding much. like sheeping but not directly, the posts werent quoting people or anything.

Santygrass said:
@mkg323 what is your opinion of me?
I remember reading you say something about wanting to see more from me, but you never followed up on that thought as far as I can see 🤔
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your posts about vis pinged me. I think you said your most recent POE was like me, miranda, veggie and mighty? i cant remember if that was before or after miranda got sassy about wonda, has that interaction changed your thoughts on either of them?
 
SportPonies said:
I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen someone say this about me and it’s kind of neat actually.

Unfortunately I do work tomorrow too but I can’t really be mad if I keep putzing around thread and get deadded because of it.
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More than personal its because its a slot that just subbed and has to read the game either way. And voting to force it seems dirty (?)

Also tragic the last part. That's a problem for santygrass for tomorrow tho. If mkg also does nothing I might prefer her yeet tomorrow #trust . #VeiledThreatToMKG
 
SportPonies said:
Also genny was NOT a wolf last game, and she was killing for the sake of her wincon, so I do not think that is a fair comparison to make, AM.
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I didn't say she was a wolf. I said she was wolfsiding. There's a difference. I'm primarily defining her actions that benefitted wolves while they were still alive. The village bloc digestion at the end (while specifically encouraging others to believe wolves were still killing) is just the icing on the cake.
 
mkg323 said:
AcTuAlLy i did have one post about veggie, in passing but I can expand on it more now that I have time: veggie's initial posting was a bit off, which I chalked up to being a noob that I dont know, but as they settled into posting thoughts regarding the thread it felt... disjointed? i guess? from the rest of thread, in that they were commenting thoughts that seemed to echo what was said by others further up the thread without really adding much. like sheeping but not directly, the posts werent quoting people or anything.
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Yesterday you said you weren't ready to go there. How do you feel about her today?
 
Animal Midwife said:
I didn't say she was a wolf. I said she was wolfsiding. There's a difference. I'm primarily defining her actions that benefitted wolves while they were still alive. The village bloc digestion at the end (while specifically encouraging others to believe wolves were still killing) is just the icing on the cake.
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Well, yes. She was wolfsiding. Because it benefitted her. I’m just not sure I get the point about her killing outside of the POE when it was for the purpose of winning.

I guess I’m actually confused by this whole thing in general and need to reread these posts.
 
mkg323 said:
your posts about vis pinged me. I think you said your most recent POE was like me, miranda, veggie and mighty? i cant remember if that was before or after miranda got sassy about wonda, has that interaction changed your thoughts on either of them?
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I dont think miranda was ever in my PoE ftr. I used the Wonda momentum to poke at them tho. If anything before the sass I had miranda as null. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.

I stated why I think miranda is villa now. And for wonda I rescinded my villa read but am holding onto null. Mostly because while I scratch my head at some approachs and think their logic maybe doesnt hold up with a villagery view. I als think they are unlikely partners with matt/Sporty , and had some post that seemed like uncoached wolf in D1? . So its a mixed bag rn

What about what I said about Vis pinged you?
 
SportPonies said:
Well, yes. She was wolfsiding. Because it benefitted her. I’m just not sure I get the point about her killing outside of the POE when it was for the purpose of winning.

I guess I’m actually confused by this whole thing in general and need to reread these posts.
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Yes. So she was wolfsiding. Which is all I've been saying.
 
SportPonies said:
Well, yes. She was wolfsiding. Because it benefitted her. I’m just not sure I get the point about her killing outside of the POE when it was for the purpose of winning.

I guess I’m actually confused by this whole thing in general and need to reread these posts.
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I stated that genny's vibes this game felt similar to last game, so she's not that sus to me. Dina pointed out that genny was wolf-siding so my read was probably erroneous since it was based on wolf-aligned behavior. Now that I think about it more I don't think it's useful to make any judgements based on genny's reads last game because it's clear she was playing for self survival first and foremost, and all the factional wincon adds a different layer.

That said, I will state that my vibes (and by that I mean the "idk vibes" thing that AM dislikes) on genny still lean village.
 
chicandtoughness said:
I stated that genny's vibes this game felt similar to last game, so she's not that sus to me. Dina pointed out that genny was wolf-siding so my read was probably erroneous since it was based on wolf-aligned behavior. Now that I think about it more I don't think it's useful to make any judgements based on genny's reads last game because it's clear she was playing for self survival first and foremost, and all the factional wincon adds a different layer.

That said, I will state that my vibes (and by that I mean the "idk vibes" thing that AM dislikes) on genny still lean village.
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Thank you for the spark notes. I will digest this and probably not draw any further conclusions about it
 
Also here's my real life meta post for you to sus on Vis 😉

Life is a little rough right now with my family member back in the hospital (see: noob game). Med school rankings are also due in a week and my relationship might (?) be falling apart because my partner doesn't want to follow me to med school so I'm an emotional WRECK. I am also traveling to Japan in a week and a half so timezones will be a struggle. tl;dr my posting will get more sparse going forward and that should be NAI, but it's WW and I recognize anything is fair game 😉
 
mkg323 said:
is this an accurate %, like do you have a spreadsheet or is that an estimate (genuinely want to know)
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Full disclosure, there's no spreadsheet. I'm just traumatized by the times I almost got misyeeted trying to push said tone against the resistance.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Also here's my real life meta post for you to sus on Vis 😉

Life is a little rough right now with my family member back in the hospital (see: noob game). Med school rankings are also due in a week and my relationship might (?) be falling apart because my partner doesn't want to follow me to med school so I'm an emotional WRECK. I am also traveling to Japan in a week and a half so timezones will be a struggle. tl;dr my posting will get more sparse going forward and that should be NAI, but it's WW and I recognize anything is fair game 😉
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*Quietly cheers on for chic*
No matter what happens you have your unofficial wolfator on your IRL side. *Gives good vibes*

Doesnt matter if in game I end up sussing you, I'll make memes about it and then you will laugh. And then die yeeted. No big deal
 
Animal Midwife said:
Yes. So she was wolfsiding. Which is all I've been saying.
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no, i tried wolfsiding to get fluff and sar yeeted, and some wolf just wouldn't cooperate about it. so he got yeeted. which is nothing at all like what i'm doing this game, so idk what chic is thinking.
 
chicandtoughness said:
worrying intesifies

Water Reaction GIF by The Yetee




I wouldn't consider her wolf-siding last game. Genny was clearly in a position where everyone assumed she was an alpha (or stated that they would operate like she was an alpha), and she clearly thought it was easier to just let everyone think that because 1) wolves weren't going to kill her off because they had an easy target to point to and be like wellll here's a wolf and these are her reads, 2) villagers were probably going to take any "I'M NOT A WOLF" posts as wolfy, so she played the smart game and joked around that hmmm yes maybe she was an alpha after all. I find her posts similarly easygoing in this game. She was also appropriately sus of me lol
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I don’t think anyone is saying she was wolf siding because of the alpha thing, but our faction was meant to win with wolves I think so it made sense for genny to play wolf sided.
 
Santygrass said:
More than personal its because its a slot that just subbed and has to read the game either way. And voting to force it seems dirty (?)

Also tragic the last part. That's a problem for santygrass for tomorrow tho. If mkg also does nothing I might prefer her yeet tomorrow #trust . #VeiledThreatToMKG
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bring it banana man
Animal Midwife said:
Yesterday you said you weren't ready to go there. How do you feel about her today?
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yes, I said I was willing to wait when there was just the 3p comments, and later mentioned the echo-y posts later, but i was more interested in clem yesterday so it is what it is. today hasnt really changed, but i definitely dont see her as compatable with wonda, who I think is a more interesting vote for today.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Nope, I was typing in the reply box out of order. Typed Dina's name, had a SUPER URGENT BRAIN THOUGHT about the next people on the list, and then just never went back :')
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I do that all the time. Start one sentence, go write another, come back to the other sentences, jump ahead again, on and on. My writeups about 10 minutes before they're done are just jumbles of disjointed phrases and incomplete sentences. I even did it with this post :heckyeah:
 
mkg323 said:
bring it banana man

yes, I said I was willing to wait when there was just the 3p comments, and later mentioned the echo-y posts later, but i was more interested in clem yesterday so it is what it is. today hasnt really changed, but i definitely dont see her as compatable with wonda, who I think is a more interesting vote for today.
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Wonda is the more interesting vote or veggie?
 
Sorry Chica and Santy, this took a while...

Since I've been taking advantage of the 48 hour cycle and have been silent so far today, I want to make my entrance with a bit of grand analysis. Some of this may be rather obvious to a few of the experienced players, but I have not seen it explicitly stated, so here we go:

1. The six votes for Clem were Dubz, Wonda, Matt (sporty), Genny, mkg, and samac

We know that Clem was a villager. I'm going to assume that at least one of those votes were a wolf. I highly doubt the whole pack would vote together, but since a wagon was forming on a known non-wolf, I think it would be very odd if no member of the pack was on this vote.

Out of those 6, the least suspicious vote against Clem were Matt (Sporty) and Wonda, due to the self preservation nature. They were both on the chopping block, and it makes sense that would vote to save themselves.

The most obvious place to start is Samac. The tie-breaking switch on the surface would be a good move to ensure the death of a villager, but only if Samac was trying to save Matt (sporty). Frankly, given the amount of attention it draws if Matt (sporty) was a wolf, I think this situation highly unlikely. I actually believe the claim that Samac doesn't like ties, and I will conclude that Samac leans village. I can't see a situation where Wolf Samac changes a vote here, unless it is some crazy reverse reverse psychology.

This leaves 3 remaining subjects: Genny, mkg, and Dubz.

Dubz voted for Clem doing an argument with Matt (Sporty). Honestly, the initial vote reasoning was unusual. The logic appeared to be "I think Matt is a noob, so I will forgive his transgressions, but Clem could be in league with Matt, so Clem is a wolf". Dubz has made quite a few productive points so far this game, but the very hard push on a wagon that ended up being wrong is worth noting. I guess I would have expected more questioning of Dubz on this topic. I currently give them village points and sus points, and I guess at this second the village outweighs the sus

mkg's rational for a vote against Clem is simply "ties are fun". I haven't played with you much, and I accept this seems to be your personality, but on the face of it, this seems like a great way for a wolf to bandwagon onto a misyeet

Genny is probably the worst offender. I can't really find any rational for the few vote switches that ended on Clem.

I would appreciate some more explanations on the Clem rationale from all of them, but for the moment, I'll put some pressure on Genny, for total lack of stated vote reasoning
 
Santygrass said:
Mighty did the mighty amount of 0 posts since I voted. I hate stiff votes

Doesnt mean I feel better about mighty. It means I wanted to poke at other people
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I found it slightly humorous that I just waited out your pressure, but I promise that wasn't my intent! Few things are more frustrating than no responses at all.
 
TLDR on my Clem vote analysis:
-Matt/wonda votes were self preservation and not super informative
-Samac's switch was so sus that it actually works its way around to be leaning village
-Dubz deserves more scrutiny for heavily pushing the wagon
-I would appreciate better explanations from mkg and Genny on previous nights thought process
 
mightyrunner7 said:
Sorry Chica and Santy, this took a while...

Since I've been taking advantage of the 48 hour cycle and have been silent so far today, I want to make my entrance with a bit of grand analysis. Some of this may be rather obvious to a few of the experienced players, but I have not seen it explicitly stated, so here we go:

1. The six votes for Clem were Dubz, Wonda, Matt (sporty), Genny, mkg, and samac

We know that Clem was a villager. I'm going to assume that at least one of those votes were a wolf. I highly doubt the whole pack would vote together, but since a wagon was forming on a known non-wolf, I think it would be very odd if no member of the pack was on this vote.

Out of those 6, the least suspicious vote against Clem were Matt (Sporty) and Wonda, due to the self preservation nature. They were both on the chopping block, and it makes sense that would vote to save themselves.

The most obvious place to start is Samac. The tie-breaking switch on the surface would be a good move to ensure the death of a villager, but only if Samac was trying to save Matt (sporty). Frankly, given the amount of attention it draws if Matt (sporty) was a wolf, I think this situation highly unlikely. I actually believe the claim that Samac doesn't like ties, and I will conclude that Samac leans village. I can't see a situation where Wolf Samac changes a vote here, unless it is some crazy reverse reverse psychology.

This leaves 3 remaining subjects: Genny, mkg, and Dubz.

Dubz voted for Clem doing an argument with Matt (Sporty). Honestly, the initial vote reasoning was unusual. The logic appeared to be "I think Matt is a noob, so I will forgive his transgressions, but Clem could be in league with Matt, so Clem is a wolf". Dubz has made quite a few productive points so far this game, but the very hard push on a wagon that ended up being wrong is worth noting. I guess I would have expected more questioning of Dubz on this topic. I currently give them village points and sus points, and I guess at this second the village outweighs the sus

mkg's rational for a vote against Clem is simply "ties are fun". I haven't played with you much, and I accept this seems to be your personality, but on the face of it, this seems like a great way for a wolf to bandwagon onto a misyeet

Genny is probably the worst offender. I can't really find any rational for the few vote switches that ended on Clem.

I would appreciate some more explanations on the Clem rationale from all of them, but for the moment, I'll put some pressure on Genny, for total lack of stated vote reasoning
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While I appreciate the effort in this post, VCA is a whole picture thing. One wagon shouldn't be looked at in isolation or else you'll you'll risk getting sucked into a misyeet vacuum. How do you feel about the other wagons and their voters?
 
SportPonies said:
While I do agree that this maybe isn’t suspicious, it also doesn’t mean not-wolfy and I just wanted to remind you that
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Totally agree, I'm trying to say it's not informative to my analysis because they have an obvious motive that is hiding any potential wolf stench. It's certainly not a village lean.

Edit- fixed sentence ending
 
Animal Midwife said:
While I appreciate the effort in this post, VCA is a whole picture thing. One wagon shouldn't be looked at in isolation or else you'll you'll risk getting sucked into a misyeet vacuum. How do you feel about the other wagons and their voters?
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I'd argue that only one wagon so far has caused a villager to be yeeted. I'll take a look at the other 2 wagons, but I think we can agree that the Clem wagon has more obvious value at this specific moment
 
mightyrunner7 said:
I'd argue that only one wagon so far has caused a villager to be yeeted. I'll take a look at the other 2 wagons, but I think we can agree that the Clem wagon has more obvious value at this specific moment
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That's a guarenteed mechanic though and shouldn't affect reads. One person dies every yeet cycle. The Clem wagon in isolation has little value because of that (except in the world where he flips wolf). Any time a villager dies, counterwagons should be analyzed too to get a clearer idea of what the wolves were doing near EOD.
 
There were also three counterwagons, including yourself, not two.
 
Animal Midwife said:
That's a guarenteed mechanic though and shouldn't affect reads. One person dies every yeet cycle. The Clem wagon in isolation has little value because of that (except in the world where he flips wolf). Any time a villager dies, counterwagons should be analyzed too to get a clearer idea of what the wolves were doing near EOD.
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Okay, now I better understand your point, thanks for clarifying.
 
mightyrunner7 said:
I would appreciate some more explanations on the Clem rationale from all of them, but for the moment, I'll put some pressure on Genny, for total lack of stated vote reasoning
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Oh ffs, you can’t just make up snacks. That’s how you end up with peanut butter pickles. I previously stated my reasoning for voting Clem:

genny said:
dubz said so. also, like i previously stated, i didn't want the wonda yeet to become a runaway
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At least try to do a little research, eh?
 
Pasta that sticks to everything is called clinguine - Day 2 Tagliatally

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genny (1) - mighty
matt --> Sporty (2) - genny, Vis
Dubz ()
Veggie (3) - Dubz, chic, samac
mighty ()
mkg (2) - AM, Santy
samac (1) - Sporty
miranda (1) - Wondalfy
Wondalfy (2) - miranda, Veggie

12/14 voting
@VeggieTrex, you are [narrowly] in the lead!
Missing: @Dinashadow, @mkg323

Vote closes tomorrow, 2/8 at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm FST (~22.75 hours)
 
genny said:
Oh ffs, you can’t just make up snacks. That’s how you end up with peanut butter pickles. I previously stated my reasoning for voting Clem:



At least try to do a little research, eh?
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Yup, missed that, thanks

It seems you made this choice based on confidence in Dubz and a desire to not yeet Wanda. What are your feels on both of them now?
 
mightyrunner7 said:
Yup, missed that, thanks

It seems you made this choice based on confidence in Dubz and a desire to not yeet Wanda. What are your feels on both of them now?
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No, it’s not that I didn’t want wonda yeeted, I said I wanted to keep the vote close. Big difference.

Dubz is village. Wonda has a troubling attitude toward voting early, but otherwise appears to be making a decent effort to village. Still neutral on Wonda
 
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