PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

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chicandtoughness said:
This is a strong statement, do you mean you think Dubz is village or do you mean you're clearing her as village?
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I’m putting my money where my mouth is. Which is both a bad business plan and a terrible snack idea. And yet somehow, it works out sometimes.
 
genny said:
I’m putting my money where my mouth is. Which is both a bad business plan and a terrible snack idea. And yet somehow, it works out sometimes.
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When's the last time you were this confident in me? It's very spooky.
 
I spent a fair amount of time trying to go to sleep thinking about sporty/Matt.

It’s going to take an act of god to convince me that that’s not a wolf. Sportys entrance to the thread just solidified it for me.
I don’t like the thought of voting for a fresh sub but it’s going to take an act of god to convince me that’s not a wolf and since she said she’s not invested yet I’m going to go on and do it.

Unyeet veggie
Yeet sporty
 
mightyrunner7 said:
Sorry Chica and Santy, this took a while...

Since I've been taking advantage of the 48 hour cycle and have been silent so far today, I want to make my entrance with a bit of grand analysis. Some of this may be rather obvious to a few of the experienced players, but I have not seen it explicitly stated, so here we go:

1. The six votes for Clem were Dubz, Wonda, Matt (sporty), Genny, mkg, and samac

We know that Clem was a villager. I'm going to assume that at least one of those votes were a wolf. I highly doubt the whole pack would vote together, but since a wagon was forming on a known non-wolf, I think it would be very odd if no member of the pack was on this vote.

Out of those 6, the least suspicious vote against Clem were Matt (Sporty) and Wonda, due to the self preservation nature. They were both on the chopping block, and it makes sense that would vote to save themselves.

The most obvious place to start is Samac. The tie-breaking switch on the surface would be a good move to ensure the death of a villager, but only if Samac was trying to save Matt (sporty). Frankly, given the amount of attention it draws if Matt (sporty) was a wolf, I think this situation highly unlikely. I actually believe the claim that Samac doesn't like ties, and I will conclude that Samac leans village. I can't see a situation where Wolf Samac changes a vote here, unless it is some crazy reverse reverse psychology.

This leaves 3 remaining subjects: Genny, mkg, and Dubz.

Dubz voted for Clem doing an argument with Matt (Sporty). Honestly, the initial vote reasoning was unusual. The logic appeared to be "I think Matt is a noob, so I will forgive his transgressions, but Clem could be in league with Matt, so Clem is a wolf". Dubz has made quite a few productive points so far this game, but the very hard push on a wagon that ended up being wrong is worth noting. I guess I would have expected more questioning of Dubz on this topic. I currently give them village points and sus points, and I guess at this second the village outweighs the sus

mkg's rational for a vote against Clem is simply "ties are fun". I haven't played with you much, and I accept this seems to be your personality, but on the face of it, this seems like a great way for a wolf to bandwagon onto a misyeet

Genny is probably the worst offender. I can't really find any rational for the few vote switches that ended on Clem.

I would appreciate some more explanations on the Clem rationale from all of them, but for the moment, I'll put some pressure on Genny, for total lack of stated vote reasoning
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I find it interesting so many people find the move to break a tie something that would be sketchy lol.

Outside of voting Clem what other thoughts do you have on the folks in the wagon?
I don’t like excluding wonda and Matt because they were on the chopping block cause a wolf or a villager is going to save themselves.
 
genny said:
Why is it spooky?
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I'm not used to people giving me a village read off the bat, except for Zenge but his reads are lies anyway. That's why I asked when the last time was that you had been this confident, because I wasn't sure if it had happened recently before and I'd just forgotten about it.
 
Pasta that sticks to everything is called clinguine - Day 2 Tagliatally

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genny (1) - mighty
matt --> Sporty (3) - genny, Vis, Samac
Dubz ()
Veggie (2) - Dubz, chic
mighty ()
mkg (2) - AM, Santy
samac (1) - Sporty
miranda (1) - Wondalfy
Wondalfy (2) - miranda, Veggie

12/14 voting
@SportPonies, you are [narrowly] in the lead!
Missing: @Dinashadow, @mkg323

Vote closes today, 2/8 at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm FST (~13 hours)
 
samac is either gonna hate me for this or it'll turn out she has pocketed me and she'll be extremely pleased

Veggie
Wonda (not with Sporty, probably)
matt > Sporty
Benoit
Mkg
Dina
Santy (but pushing me a bit is good)
Vissy
chic (but moves more wolfy if Veggie and Wonda are misses)
AM
genny
miranda
samac


For clarity because this color scheme was accidentally slightly different from what I did last game...neutral (aka still in the POE but I'm not gunning to vote them today) is yellow. Blues have a couple village points but I'm not comfy declaring them village yet.
 
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Animal Midwife said:
She makes assumptions that wolves wouldn't be obviously wolfy and hedges on people.
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I see what you're saying because of how she talked about zuri, genny, and fluff. I still think the way she's approaching things is a lot more narrow this game though. Like, entire view of the game revolving around how people are reading one player does not seem in line with her previous play.
 
WildZoo said:
samac is either gonna hate me for this or it'll turn out she has pocketed me and she'll be extremely pleased

Veggie
Wonda (not with Sporty, probably)
matt > Sporty
Benoit
Mkg
Dina
Santy (but pushing me a bit is good)
Vissy
chic (but moves more wolfy if Veggie and Wonda are misses)
AM
genny
miranda
samac


For clarity because this color scheme was accidentally slightly different from what I did last game...neutral (aka still in the POE but I'm not gunning to vote them today) is yellow. Blues have a couple village points but I'm not comfy declaring them village yet.
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DUBZ DO YOU WANT ME TO DIE
 
Santygrass said:
Dont think you seering them is the same scenario as your case here. In FE3H , you seered them because they got some sus the previous day too right? Miranda handled it pretty different imo.
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I seered miranda because of the fluff train, which was what my whole theory was on, and she was the least called out as the four people I was sus of. Not many other people were sussing her, if they were, not much.

Santygrass said:
Like, I wouldn't fully clear miranda because of the tone, but I am for sure okay with them being alive for now because I find the tonal switch in such a brazen? Way to be unlikely for miranda to again be a wolf.
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I see this but miranda died very quickly in the last game for being a wolf, so a tonal switch doesn't mean much to me because I would try to switch it up some if that happened. Also, I try to ignore how likely/unlikely people would be wolves again based on previous games. It's just a statistical gamble.

Santygrass said:
Also, Miranda died N2 in the noob game right? Like one of the first to die. Don't think there was much of a tone to compare regarding casings and stuff. I mostly say this because seeing at miranda case you, I feel like seeing them for the first time pursuing a wolfread they believe in, if it makes any sense. Like, its a DISCOVERY
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I agree with this, there's not much to go on. But what I did see was similar imo, so the sassiness surprises me as wolf or village.
 
WildZoo said:
I see what you're saying because of how she talked about zuri, genny, and fluff. I still think the way she's approaching things is a lot more narrow this game though. Like, entire view of the game revolving around how people are reading one player does not seem in line with her previous play.
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Hmm...I know I'm not the one you're responding to, but my sus reads the last game were entirely based on how people were reading fluff so... everyone I sussed except poppy (poppy was due to vibes) was sus of fluff....so I respectfully disagree.
 
WildZoo said:
I'm not used to people giving me a village read off the bat, except for Zenge but his reads are lies anyway. That's why I asked when the last time was that you had been this confident, because I wasn't sure if it had happened recently before and I'd just forgotten about it.
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i'm not a confident person by nature, so idk where this comes from.
 
Wondalfy said:
Hmm...I know I'm not the one you're responding to, but my sus reads the last game were entirely based on how people were reading fluff so... everyone I sussed except poppy (poppy was due to vibes) was sus of fluff....so I respectfully disagree.
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I literally just read your posts from that game and they were not so :shrug: or at least that's not what you stated on thread
 
Animal Midwife said:
She makes assumptions that wolves wouldn't be obviously wolfy and hedges on people.
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I kinda made this realization while I was typing out the four matt scenarios, but frankly I felt like mentioning it at the time would only make me look worse and like I was going back on my theory when I was at a crucial point of almost being yeeted, so I didn't.

But yes, another possibility, I must say I currently find the least likely and am still sticking to my guns, is that the wolves were obviously wolfy, and did actually help progress the end of the game by lightly or heavily defending Matt, a wolf. If so, then it'd probably be a matt/mkg/genny pack (plus me, but obviously I'm not going to argue for myself). But with two of those seemingly being experienced players, I find it extremely unlikely, far less than my main theory. I also again, find it more unlikely a wolf would defend Matt in any capacity (village or not) because it was very much against the grain, and I don't think a wolf would bring attention to themselves like that. But yes, a lot of my assumptions base on I think a wolf would try to not be obviously wolfy.
 
Or rather, not all of your reads were based on how people were reading fluff. Maybe your sus reads were to some extent, but it was definitely not this same dichotomy of "people who read fluff x way are sus and people who read fluff y way are not", and your focus was not as narrow.
 
Here's where I'm at right now
Wonda
Sport/Matt
Mighty
Mkg
Dina
Chic
Samac
Vis
Santy
Dubz
genny
AM
Miranda

I'm feeling okay with this so far.
 
Wondalfy said:
I kinda made this realization while I was typing out the four matt scenarios, but frankly I felt like mentioning it at the time would only make me look worse and like I was going back on my theory when I was at a crucial point of almost being yeeted, so I didn't.

But yes, another possibility, I must say I currently find the least likely and am still sticking to my guns, is that the wolves were obviously wolfy, and did actually help progress the end of the game by lightly or heavily defending Matt, a wolf. If so, then it'd probably be a matt/mkg/genny pack (plus me, but obviously I'm not going to argue for myself). But with two of those seemingly being experienced players, I find it extremely unlikely, far less than my main theory. I also again, find it more unlikely a wolf would defend Matt in any capacity (village or not) because it was very much against the grain, and I don't think a wolf would bring attention to themselves like that. But yes, a lot of my assumptions base on I think a wolf would try to not be obviously wolfy.
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I'm not sure why you think wolves have to be all or nothing. That wasn't true in either of your previous to two games. They can be a mix of defending and shading matt.
 
Wondalfy said:
I kinda made this realization while I was typing out the four matt scenarios, but frankly I felt like mentioning it at the time would only make me look worse and like I was going back on my theory when I was at a crucial point of almost being yeeted, so I didn't.

But yes, another possibility, I must say I currently find the least likely and am still sticking to my guns, is that the wolves were obviously wolfy, and did actually help progress the end of the game by lightly or heavily defending Matt, a wolf. If so, then it'd probably be a matt/mkg/genny pack (plus me, but obviously I'm not going to argue for myself). But with two of those seemingly being experienced players, I find it extremely unlikely, far less than my main theory. I also again, find it more unlikely a wolf would defend Matt in any capacity (village or not) because it was very much against the grain, and I don't think a wolf would bring attention to themselves like that. But yes, a lot of my assumptions base on I think a wolf would try to not be obviously wolfy.
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When sporty flips wolf how will your reads change?
 
VeggieTrex said:
Here's where I'm at right now
Wonda
Sport/Matt
Mighty
Mkg
Dina
Chic
Samac
Vis
Santy
Dubz
genny
AM
Miranda

I'm feeling okay with this so far.
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you literally haven’t mentioned genny at all before this. What’s got her as your 3rd highest read?
 
samac said:
you literally haven’t mentioned genny at all before this. What’s got her as your 3rd highest read?
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How differently she's been playing from FE3H mostly. I feel like in that she was a little more teasing than in this game. I like her level of participation and what she's added.
 
samac said:
Dubz, btw, how did you read this post?
I’m trying to figure out if noobs gonna noob or if I was unclear
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Oh I assumed you were asking if people thought Veggie would talk about packmate!matt's actions like that. I didn't respond because, idk.
 
WildZoo said:
Oh I assumed you were asking if people thought Veggie would talk about packmate!matt's actions like that. I didn't respond because, idk.
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Yeah okay.
That was the question.
Veggies response confused the **** out of me
 
VeggieTrex said:
That wasn't how Matt entered the noob game, and set off a few alarm bells for me. In general it seems self-votes are a little unusual (correct me if I'm wrong here) so reading it as a joke seems like a bit of a jump.
The bias is interesting here, because I don't know if I would implicitly trust my friends in a game like this. It feels naive at best. It would be easier to trust a 'joke vote' if you were in a pack together.
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Ironically, these reads seem like a jump to me. It was sus and unusual to self-vote, but it was also obviously a joke. For the second part, I don’t see what “it wouldn’t be weird to me for a friend to joke around with me putting a snap joke vote on me” has to do with “I trust my friends aren’t wolves”?
 
samac said:
Yeah okay.
That was the question.
Veggies response confused the **** out of me
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Yeah idk how exactly she read the question lol I mean I assume she read it as directed at her instead of about her post, but I don't understand the response
 
VeggieTrex said:
This feels a bit like setting up the vote for Miranda, which happened later in the day and seemed to hinge on Miranda linking Wonda to SAR. Dina also asked some follow up questions in the thread, but Wonda only went after Miranda. I still think Wonda is high on my list of wolves, but I want to sit with my thoughts for a little longer before I vote.
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I’m not totally clear on your reasoning here. What do you mean by setting up the vote on miranda? She’s openly suspecting miranda in this post, not sneakily setting up something for someone else to suspect her on. Is her “setting up the vote on miranda” sus to you? Why? How do you feel about Dina’s follow-up questions/why do you mention them here?
 
WildZoo said:
Yeah idk how exactly she read the question lol I mean I assume she read it as directed at her instead of about her post, but I don't understand the response
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I read the response as Veggie incorrectly thought samac was asking her whether matt (as a noob) would come onto thread and say what he said (whereas it seems like samac was asking whether Veggie - as a noob - would come onto thread with a potential packmate matt and say that quote).
 
chicandtoughness said:
If I was reading my gameplay I would consider myself sus af. You saw how noob game turned out and I was playing much better there. I’ve barely said anything this game and have been floundering with supporting some of my claims.

But for some reason you think I’m villagey just because I pointed out that people shouldn’t be marked wolfy for assuming 3p’s exist. That’s kind of a weak reason to find someone “not sus”…

For that reason alone you’re moving up my sus list. Ain’t no reason you should be village reading me.
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Good point
 
WildZoo said:
Or rather, not all of your reads were based on how people were reading fluff. Maybe your sus reads were to some extent, but it was definitely not this same dichotomy of "people who read fluff x way are sus and people who read fluff y way are not", and your focus was not as narrow.
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I mean, agree to disagree. D1 I voted for psv for being fluffy/also didn't like the fluff votes but didn't really explicitly state it until D2, D2 I posted my entire theory and susses based on the fluff train (it is literally only D2 this game), D3 I almost threw my theory out of the window bc PSV was town and I thought miranda was town based on the seer (I did not read the spoiler for Tomas, whoops) until I started questioning the church statement. Miranda was not town so I considered it again. My susses from D2 were still high but I found that veggie repeated a phrase exactly the same as miranda very incriminating. Then I died N3.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm not sure why you think wolves have to be all or nothing. That wasn't true in either of your previous to two games. They can be a mix of defending and shading matt.
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It was a bit of a hyperbole, mainly because I think it's extremely unlikely. And I still find it very unlikely for any wolf to defend matt, whether matt is wolf or not, because it was opposite of most of the people in the game & would bring attention/sus
 
Also: Wednesdays are my busiest days class wise. I have a break from 3-5 CST, but I have a class from 5:15-8 PM CST with no cell phones/tech allowed. So after my break, I probably won't be able to be back until near the end of voting (8-9 PM).
 
Wondalfy said:
It was a bit of a hyperbole, mainly because I think it's extremely unlikely. And I still find it very unlikely for any wolf to defend matt, whether matt is wolf or not, because it was opposite of most of the people in the game & would bring attention/sus
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Again, that's still falling into the all or nothing category which hasn't occurred in any of the games you've played.
 
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