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[Minnerbelle]

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Lol a client asked if we did this surgery and I was like “absolutely not that is very much a specialist surgery”

the amount of times people (parents friends mostly) have asked me if I did my dogs 2 hemilams. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

My usual answer is “I’m afraid I don’t know how to fix things surgically - can I interest you in removing said body part?”

In my neck of the woods, referral hospital amputations run $6-8k. FB about that or more. For these reasons I probably perform more pyos and PUs and amps than many surgeons. There are enough cases to go around for these QOL/life-saving procedures at a lower price point that there are for-profit and non-profit GP level surgical centers that are viable business models. Usually mix in low cost s/n to even out the caseload. Add in routine wellness things as a part of the services while patient is still out. Lower cost GP clinics can capitalize on these as well, because there are plenty of people who are able to do $2-3k to save their pet, just not 6-10k. That was my motivation for moving from a hoity toity high touch gp to a more budget gp. I felt like my surgical skills were getting wasted, though I developed mad dentistry skills there. Which helped when moving to the lower cost clinic because I was fast at it without compromising quality. It’s hard to develop excellent dentistry skills when you start doing dentistry at low cost clinics because you’ll lose money on your procedures at a lower price point unless you are super proficient or cutting corners. No one starts proficient in dentistry - it’s probably the steepest learning curve in gp and super stressful if you are under pressure to be fast.

 

[couldhavebeenme]

I just moved to a new area and we're a bit of a hike from he nearest referral center (90 mins - 2 hrs, which isn't terrible but is a long way to go with a critical pet) and my tech told me last week that the referral center tells us to quote owners $5-10k to start before owners go up there, regardless of the issue. There's gotta be some kind of middle ground because as a DVM even *I* would balk at that price for my own pet. Plus, certainly not every condition will even need to stay 24 hours; how are you spending $5k in that time for every case (you're not)? I get wanting owners to be prepared for the reality of what referral might cost, but I worry that these "estimates" just prevent people from seeking care for their pets that they might actually have been able to afford if not for these scare tactics. I wonder when the bubble is going to pop.

 

[battie]

I just moved to a new area and we're a bit of a hike from he nearest referral center (90 mins - 2 hrs, which isn't terrible but is a long way to go with a critical pet) and my tech told me last week that the referral center tells us to quote owners $5-10k to start before owners go up there, regardless of the issue. There's gotta be some kind of middle ground because as a DVM even *I* would balk at that price for my own pet. Plus, certainly not every condition will even need to stay 24 hours; how are you spending $5k in that time for every case (you're not)? I get wanting owners to be prepared for the reality of what referral might cost, but I worry that these "estimates" just prevent people from seeking care for their pets that they might actually have been able to afford if not for these scare tactics. I wonder when the bubble is going to pop.

I'd stop sending clients there tbh. Easier said than done in that situation obviously. But if a doctor isn't willing or is unable to spend the time on a doc to doc call for a real estimate, they don't have the capability or capacity to take the patient regardless.

 

[indysadventures]

Listen, a lot of life is bleak right now but I finally called out my partner’s cousin, who is a wannabe MAHA “influencer,” on her pathetic IG page and I just feel a little bit more free. Woke up today, read a piece about the paradox of tolerance, and chose (intellectual) violence. Probably ruined her day, and I may be petty, but I’m tired of no one else in the family saying anything. This stupid **** isn’t benign.

ETA: LOL she already blocked me. Guess I got her upset calling her out for not defending SNAP when she talks about “food as medicine.”

 

[DVMDream]

Listen, a lot of life is bleak right now but I finally called out my partner’s cousin, who is a wannabe MAHA “influencer,” on her pathetic IG page and I just feel a little bit more free. Woke up today, read a piece about the paradox of tolerance, and chose (intellectual) violence. Probably ruined her day, and I may be petty, but I’m tired of no one else in the family saying anything. This stupid **** isn’t benign.

ETA: LOL she already blocked me. Guess I got her upset calling her out for not defending SNAP when she talks about “food as medicine.”

Good job. I massively called out a MAGA person recently and feel like I destroyed them and made them show just how much of an uncaring, dingus they really are. Of course, they will never recognize it, but everyone else sees it and acknowledges it and that is what matters.

 

[indysadventures]

Good job. I massively called out a MAGA person recently and feel like I destroyed them and made them show just how much of an uncaring, dingus they really are. Of course, they will never recognize it, but everyone else sees it and acknowledges it and that is what matters.

I had this exact conversation with my partner’s mom about this woman and her anti-vax and anti-science views. As an example, according to my cousin, lipomas are a type of “beginner” cancer that you can “melt” with the right “anti-cancer” supplements. She’s literally tried to “educate” me on the importance of “true medicine” (holistic medicine) and “just asking questions” about cancer (and vaccines…. and raw food… and …..it never ends).

On a serious note, I believe that wellness grifters have taken advantage of her fears that her beloved dog will get cancer….. but it’s not an excuse for her behavior and the fact that she’s using a “platform” to spread misinformation and hate to the veterinary field. She feeds her dog raw and talks loudly about all the benefits while I’ve watched his muscles waste and he is beginning to look very thin - I can visualize his ribs from very far away in photos. It started with her fearing cancer and looking for a way to “protect” her dog, to feeding raw to anti-vax to anti-flea/tick to now anti-spay/neuter.

My partner’s mom was shocked that her sister wouldn’t have nipped some of these beliefs in the bud. And I said that it’s easy to let stuff like this fester, you don’t want to hurt feelings, you want people to feel comfortable asking questions. But when it starts to become this inflated sense of ego - that THEY know better than anyone because they “did their research” - people close to them need to step in. Now, she’s full trad wife pipeline and I think it’s too late.

And no, MAHA - you didn’t “do your research” - you GOOGLED. It’s not equivalent. This person does not even have the basic scientific background to understand why they’re wrong. It’s infuriating. I’ve tried politely redirect her before and she’s been nasty, so whatever, if shame works I’m all for it.

ETA: I know I’m preaching to the choir here but since we’re ranting….Just wanted to say, that these beliefs aren’t just toxic for science, but human society, as well. Because the crux of this is oftentimes an anti-science viewpoint that helps people feel like they’re safer, or healthier, or more “in control” of their health outcomes. It lets them assign an internal locus of control to sickness, which then lets them ignore when others become sick. Because it’s THEIR fault they got cancer, right?

 

[vampyrica]

Speaking of anti-vax/anti-FTP/anti-vet, this seems all like a very recent rise in anti-vetmed? Post-Covid I feel is when this big spike happened. I have blocked so many pet wellness influencers on my IG and Tiktok because if I see one more person feed their dog RAW GARLIC and say that it is a natural FTP and that "big vet med knows it is a natural repellent, so they say its not good for your pets so you buy their toxic supplements" I might actually blow up.

 

[indysadventures]

Speaking of anti-vax/anti-FTP/anti-vet, this seems all like a very recent rise in anti-vetmed? Post-Covid I feel is when this big spike happened. I have blocked so many pet wellness influencers on my IG and Tiktok because if I see one more person feed their dog RAW GARLIC and say that it is a natural FTP and that "big vet med knows it is a natural repellent, so they say its not good for your pets so you but their toxic supplements" I might actually blow up.

Omg yes, the raw garlic - that was on the dear cousin’s page a few weeks ago. Didn’t you know?! It’s so healthy for dogs that veterinarians just don’t want you to know! They’re keeping it from you! (/s just in case)

 

[JaynaAli]

It’s a natural repellent because fleas don’t want your blood when you’re anemic from garlic-induced Heinz body hemolytic anemia.

 

[vampyrica]

Omg yes, the raw garlic - that was on the dear cousin’s page a few weeks ago. Didn’t you know?! It’s so healthy for dogs that veterinarians just don’t want you to know! They’re keeping it from you! (/s just in case)

Yes of course! Same with chocolate! I dont believe dogs should never go without the dopamine kick that chocolate gives me, so I feed an entire dark chocolate bar to my dog every night as a sweet treat and he has NEVER gone to the vet ever. My previous dog, a Great Dane, died at the age of 7 due to cancer! The toxic kibble and vaccines the butcher vet gave him caused the cancer !!!!! (/s and /jk)

 

[indysadventures]

Listen, a lot of life is bleak right now but I finally called out my partner’s cousin, who is a wannabe MAHA “influencer,” on her pathetic IG page and I just feel a little bit more free. Woke up today, read a piece about the paradox of tolerance, and chose (intellectual) violence. Probably ruined her day, and I may be petty, but I’m tired of no one else in the family saying anything. This stupid **** isn’t benign.

ETA: LOL she already blocked me. Guess I got her upset calling her out for not defending SNAP when she talks about “food as medicine.”

@Shiloh47 you know of whom I speak….. (said in Galadriel voice)

Edit: Poor Shiloh has been receiving text messages about this woman’s page for months now.

 

[vampyrica]

In all seriousness though, Where...do people get this information from?

 

[DVMDream]

It’s a natural repellent because fleas don’t want your blood when you’re anemic from garlic-induced Heinz body hemolytic anemia.

You just barely beat me to this.

 

[DVMDream]

In all seriousness though, Where...do people get this information from?

You can find anything on the internet.

 

[indysadventures]

It’s a natural repellent because fleas don’t want your blood when you’re anemic from garlic-induced Heinz body hemolytic anemia.

But didn’t you know that anemia is simply the body’s way of CLEARING toxins and excess. Don’t worry, as soon as the body cleanses, your dog will be better than ever (or in the ground, but who’s counting?).

 

[DVMDream]

When did I get so old that anytime I sit down I can easily and quickly just fall asleep? It is slightly annoying. I shouldn't be able to fall asleep that quickly.

Me:

 

[battie]

I strongly feel this is a "reap what you sow" situation. Yeah, the vaccine situation will absolutely have effects on others, for sure. But if someone comes in and sees me tonight because their dog is weak and pale, and they tell me they're feeding their dog raw garlic/onions/whatever and I show them their dog needs a blood transfusion, my sympathy will be with the dog alone.

And I bond with clients very well. I'm very much a people person. It's definitely not because I like animals more.

But there's a point where a person is going to trust an Instagram influencer over a doctor, I can't help you. I can fix your crisis (hopefully) and they learn the FAFO way.

Maybe I'm becoming numb to these issues overall. But between life experiences and clients, I just really only care about what I can control directly.

 

[vampyrica]

I strongly feel this is a "reap what you sow" situation. Yeah, the vaccine situation will absolutely have effects on others, for sure. But if someone comes in and sees me tonight because their dog is weak and pale, and they tell me they're feeding their dog raw garlic/onions/whatever and I show them their dog needs a blood transfusion, my sympathy will be with the dog alone.

And I bond with clients very well. I'm very much a people person. It's definitely not because I like animals more.

But there's a point where a person is going to trust an Instagram influencer over a doctor, I can't help you. I can fix your crisis (hopefully) and they learn the FAFO way.

Maybe I'm becoming numb to these issues overall. But between life experiences and clients, I just really only care about what I can control directly.

I know you work in ER/Urgent Care(?), but have you genuinely had people say that "Oh I follow this person and they said to do this for my dog"? People are more vocal and comfortable online because of the perceived anonymity, but has anyone had something like this happen with the rise of petfluencers?

 

[indysadventures]

I strongly feel this is a "reap what you sow" situation. Yeah, the vaccine situation will absolutely have effects on others, for sure. But if someone comes in and sees me tonight because their dog is weak and pale, and they tell me they're feeding their dog raw garlic/onions/whatever and I show them their dog needs a blood transfusion, my sympathy will be with the dog alone.

And I bond with clients very well. I'm very much a people person. It's definitely not because I like animals more.

But there's a point where a person is going to trust an Instagram influencer over a doctor, I can't help you. I can fix your crisis (hopefully) and they learn the FAFO way.

Maybe I'm becoming numb to these issues overall. But between life experiences and clients, I just really only care about what I can control directly.

I have a very astute mentor who often reminds me that her policy that helps her stay grounded is to “match a client’s energy” when treating pets. What she says reminds me of what you have said here, and I think it’s very helpful and I definitely will need to work on it as I continue into this field in order to avoid burnout. There’s only so much one person can do.

I’ve learned that it’s generally pointless to call out random people on the internet unless you’re doing so to actively protect another. They’ll believe what they want to believe, and unfortunately, that affects their pet’s health, but they have to see the light themselves. (I do take responsibility for challenging my cousin-in-law, but she’s spreading misinformation to 32k “followers” and is directly related to me, so I can apply pressure in a more meaningful way.)

You’ve helped dull the spread of misinformation simply by doing what you’re doing, and that’s all you can expect!

 

[genny]

Maybe I'm becoming numb to these issues overall. But between life experiences and clients, I just really only care about what I can control directly.

I feel like you kind of have to take this approach if you want to be in this field long-term. You can't save everyone, and there are a lot that need help, so focus your energy on where your help is wanted and appreciated. Otherwise you get burned out really quickly.

 

[indysadventures]

I know you work in ER/Urgent Care(?), but have you genuinely had people say that "Oh I follow this person and they said to do this for my dog"? People are more vocal and comfortable online because of the perceived anonymity, but has anyone had something like this happen with the rise of petfluencers?

I saw this working in medical oncology. The amount of people who thought the oncologist was withholding “secrets” and promoting chemo, and would cite random pet support groups on Facebook, Reddit, or someone on instagram who “healed their dog’s cancer,” was quite frankly shocking. Enough that it really took me aback coming from a GP setting.

My mentor really worked hard to help people understand the dangers of many untested supplements being given alongside chemotherapy. But, I’d say once people got sucked into that sphere, only about half were receptive by my rough estimates. The other half would often stop treatment or become verbally combative when they did come.

ETA: While it was upsetting, the best we could do was educate and if they wanted to continue certain supplements, we’d make them sign off that they were educated that this could interact with chemotherapy and that there was risk. We did really try to meet clients where they were emotionally, too - it’s devastating and scary and clients want their pet to be okay.

So, it’s coming from a place of love, and that’s what I tried to focus on to help me let it go. And sometimes, the AMA sign off plus patience over a couple weeks paid off, which was nice. It was definitely a huge learning experience for me, which I’ll carry with me into school and beyond.

 

[genny]

"Oh I follow this person and they said to do this for my dog"

Yes, every day. All I can do is talk about what I recommend and why. If they actually want information about what the influencer is recommending, we can have a conversation about it. But I'm not going to waste my breath arguing with a brick wall, especially when their pet 1) has a loving home, 2) gets fed daily, and 3) goes to the vet for problems. That's a better life situation than many pets out there.

 

[battie]

I know you work in ER/Urgent Care(?), but have you genuinely had people say that "Oh I follow this person and they said to do this for my dog"? People are more vocal and comfortable online because of the perceived anonymity, but has anyone had something like this happen with the rise of petfluencers?

Not super frequently. Just more of the raw diet or bougie diet stuff. But I wouldn't be shocked to see it more and more. The entitlement is an issue though, both from rude people and nice people who don't know they're being entitled. Had both this weekend and almost through myself through a wall 🫠

 

[fauna]

That's a bargain, honestly... Cost of time, interpretation, supplies, resources. Specialist fees alone can be upwards of $200. They DID do you a solid. /voice of dissent.

It was honestly just kind of a shock because I didn’t go into the day expecting that. Also worth mentioning that this doctor is Not a cardiologist. He works internal medicine but he isn’t boarded in that either. He has not finished the report, we didn’t speak about it longer than 5 minutes, so I didn’t really get the full consultation deal. Not trying to sound bratty here but I ranted from a place of just financial surprise— which I have been getting hit with a lot this month.

 

[Shiloh47]

@Shiloh47 you know of whom I speak….. (said in Galadriel voice)

Edit: Poor Shiloh has been receiving text messages about this woman’s page for months now.

I’m surprised peppermint oil isn’t melting the lipoma

 

[JaynaAli]

I’m surprised peppermint oil isn’t melting the lipoma

Clearly needs ivomec and panacur instead.

 

[indysadventures]

Clearly needs ivomec and panacur instead.

How did you know?! 🤣

 

[DVMDream]

Don't forget the colloidal silver.

 

[JaynaAli]

How did you know?! 🤣

Both of my mom’s best friends are Covid-ivomec truthers. Like one still takes a swallow once a week. Luckily my mom is a little more sensible and we’ve joked at least they’ll be worm free.

And I used to be friendly with a very old, now retired veterinarian who was probably the largest purchaser of panacur granules in my area. For whatever reasons. Must have been lots of worms.

 

[indysadventures]

I’m surprised peppermint oil isn’t melting the lipoma

You joke, but a dog came into oncology once with a massive, necrotic mandibular fibrosarcoma. At their holistic vet’s suggestion, they’d been treating this at home with clove oil…… which they’d been slathering into their dog’s mouth and onto the tumor, which had become like a giant open wound. Not only was the dog’s tumor obviously not helped by the clove oil, I believe it was showing signs of toxicity as well (I think its liver was messed up).

 

[Doctor-S]

I just want to mention how sad I am about the flooding in Texas and the girls camp that was so significantly affected. Those poor girls, I can't imagine being asleep and then being washed away by a completely unexpected flood.

Such a devastating event. So much sadness. The camp owner/director tried to drive through the waters to save them and lost his life as well.

I just can't imagine how terribly this is affecting everyone--- the friends, families, camp counselors, rescue workers, etc.

I wanted to add how sad I feel for animals and other wildlife that have also been affected by this catastrophic natural disaster.

Just like the people, many pets and animals had no chance to get out of harm's way.

Hoping the displaced and injured pets are reunited with their families as soon as possible!

I am aware veterinary professionals (looking at Texas A&M VET, local veterinarians, techs and shelter medicine workers), have deployed to the disaster area to provide care and assistance to injured and displaced pets, animals and wildlife.

Thank you to the vetties - sending love and appreciation to all of you!

 

[katiemcat]

You joke, but a dog came into oncology once with a massive, necrotic mandibular fibrosarcoma. At their holistic vet’s suggestion, they’d been treating this at home with clove oil…… which they’d been slathering into their dog’s mouth and onto the tumor, which had become like a giant open wound. Not only was the dog’s tumor obviously not helped by the clove oil, I believe it was showing signs of toxicity as well (I think its liver was messed up).

Seen a cat die after being doused (not an exaggeration) in various essential oils for fleas. I guess it did work though bc it killed the fleas with the cat.

 

[indysadventures]

Seen a cat die after being doused (not an exaggeration) in various essential oils for fleas. I guess it did work though bc it killed the fleas with the cat.

OMG! Poor kitty. 🥺

That reminds me of a professor who said, RE supplements and anti-cancer natural “remedies,” Something along the lines of : “don’t let the quacks fool you - anything can be “anticancer” at the right dosages, it’s actually relatively easy to kill cancer cells; the true science is not killing the being that has the cancer…. that tricky bit gets in the way.”

Because as I’m sure everyone knows, “wellness” grifters will sell something as anti-cancer or anti-[insert here] and cite some study where in vitro effects of some massive dosage of the ingredient kills cancer cells…… but they don’t tell their customers that achieving that high of a concentration in vivo would also kill the person/animal (or just not work because in vitro to in vivo has so many confounding factors).

It’s the same idea of “natural flea/tick/parasite prevention.” Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it’s not still harmful in the body…..and now we’ve circled back to garlic for dogs. 🤣

But telling the truth gets in the way of Big Wellness and its never-ending grifts.

PS thinking of you and hope you’re doing okay!

 

[DVMDream]

OMG! Poor kitty. 🥺

That reminds me of a professor who said, RE supplements and anti-cancer natural “remedies,” Something along the lines of : “don’t let the quacks fool you - anything can be “anticancer” at the right dosages, it’s actually relatively easy to kill cancer cells; the true science is not killing the being that has the cancer…. that tricky bit gets in the way.”

Because as I’m sure everyone knows, “wellness” grifters will sell something as anti-cancer or anti-[insert here] and cite some study where in vitro effects of some massive dosage of the ingredient kills cancer cells…… but they don’t tell their customers that achieving that high of a concentration in vivo would also kill the person/animal (or just not work because in vitro to in vivo has so many confounding factors).

It’s the same idea of “natural flea/tick/parasite prevention.” Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it’s not still harmful in the body…..and now we’ve circled back to garlic for dogs. 🤣

But telling the truth gets in the way of Big Wellness and its never-ending grifts.

PS thinking of you and hope you’re doing okay!

 

[indysadventures]

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OMG THIS IS AMAZING! YES!

*saves immediately to laugh at forever*

 

[katiemcat]

OMG! Poor kitty. 🥺

That reminds me of a professor who said, RE supplements and anti-cancer natural “remedies,” Something along the lines of : “don’t let the quacks fool you - anything can be “anticancer” at the right dosages, it’s actually relatively easy to kill cancer cells; the true science is not killing the being that has the cancer…. that tricky bit gets in the way.”

Because as I’m sure everyone knows, “wellness” grifters will sell something as anti-cancer or anti-[insert here] and cite some study where in vitro effects of some massive dosage of the ingredient kills cancer cells…… but they don’t tell their customers that achieving that high of a concentration in vivo would also kill the person/animal (or just not work because in vitro to in vivo has so many confounding factors).

It’s the same idea of “natural flea/tick/parasite prevention.” Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it’s not still harmful in the body…..and now we’ve circled back to garlic for dogs. 🤣

But telling the truth gets in the way of Big Wellness and its never-ending grifts.

PS thinking of you and hope you’re doing okay!

This reminds me of that college football commentator Kirk Herbstriet tweeting that “traditional” veterinary medicine failed his golden with lymphoma so he took it to a “holistic” doctor who put it on massive doses of vitamin C and D and it died like the next day.

PS - Doing ok! More acceptance and excitement. Have had some terrible morning sickness though involving me up at 6am with vomit coming out of my nose crying 😭 Natures mom hazing ig.

 

[RespectTheChemistry]

This reminds me of that college football commentator Kirk Herbstriet tweeting that “traditional” veterinary medicine failed his golden with lymphoma so he took it to a “holistic” doctor who put it on massive doses of vitamin C and D and it died like the next day.

PS - Doing ok! More acceptance and excitement. Have had some terrible morning sickness though involving me up at 6am with vomit coming out of my nose crying 😭

Hang in there, friend. First trimester morning sickness is the worst. *hug* Have you been able to find anything to help? Do you have Zofran or similar?

I am glad to hear you are feeling more acceptance and excitement.

 

[genny]

It’s the same idea of “natural flea/tick/parasite prevention.” Just because something is “natural” doesn’t mean it’s not still harmful in the body…..and now we’ve circled back to garlic for dogs. 🤣

The number of pest control companies that have nearly tricked my husband into spraying our yard with “chrysanthemum oils” as a natural pest control is quite shocking. I’ve had to explain multiple times that this means pyrethrins, which are highly toxic to our kitties.

 

[katiemcat]

Hang in there, friend. First trimester morning sickness is the worst. *hug* Have you been able to find anything to help? Do you have Zofran or similar?

I am glad to hear you are feeling more acceptance and excitement.

Very glad honestly I’m going through the first trimester when I have the summer off. I’ve been working part time and my PM has been so wonderfully understanding about me feeling sick. The OB told me I wasn’t allowed to have Zofran because it can increase the risk of heart defects, and that if I absolutely needed it I needed to wait until I was past 12 weeks 🙁

I’ve been taking vitamin B6 and Unisom at their direction. I think it helps a little bit. Today has been better than the past few days, I slept in a bit before waking up sick.

 

[pp9]

Yeah, I am going to have an unpopular opinion but veterinary medicine is pricing itself out of business. When I am quoting over $10k for surgery for people for their pets, something is not ok.

Yes, veterinarians and veterinary staff deserve good pay, benefits, etc and medicine is pricey, but I know what the costs are behind the curtain and $10k for a simple foreign body is definitely surpassing the "medicine is expensive" line over into the corporate greed category.

I had to decline $2000 skin biopsies for my comfortable, but balding dog at our local derm (that is owned by Thrive now, I think, even though the derm used to be the owner). That was after the DVM discount (and Trupanion won't cover his skin stuff). That was the first time I said no to something and I felt truly horrible, and it wasn't even a life/death situation for him.

Again, my background is 80% shelter and low cost care. Our veterinarians are not board certified and we performed FBO's, amputations, PU's, cystotomy's, FHO and some other ones if the doctors feel confident they can perform it.

These are all (usually) pretty straightforward surgeries that any pDVM could do, if they had the resources to do so. Like said above, any vet can technically do any surgery, but there are some that you'd want someone with a lot of experience to be doing vs. a pDVM that might do a couple a year. What that would include is up for individual opinion. The equipment/training investment to do some of the really specific procedures may not be worth it for a pDVM clinic that might do a handful a year (if that), vs. a surgeon that does multiple a day/week

I just want to mention how sad I am about the flooding in Texas and the girls camp that was so significantly affected. Those poor girls, I can't imagine being asleep and then being washed away by a completely unexpected flood.

Such a devastating event. So much sadness. The camp owner/director tried to drive through the waters to save them and lost his life as well.

I just can't imagine how terribly this is affecting everyone--- the friends, families, camp counselors, rescue workers, etc.

Honestly my stomach is sick over it. I've had to stay off of TikTok (probably for the best, I might be addicted idk) because I can't keep seeing the footage. Literal houses and struggling/actively drowning animals just floating down the rivers all over my social media at this point

You can find anything on the internet.

This. Society is incredibly connected now, and that includes people who hold very specific/niche ideologies and beliefs, no matter how frightening and wrong those beliefs are. All it takes is finding some ******* influencer (with no education or legit sources for their claims) that 'speaks to you' and you're off. It's not hard to find a trad-wife pushing raw milk, as an example - in addition to link for a bogus supplement that she is absolutely getting kickbacks from selling...

Sorry for the multi-quotes, I've been offline for several days and am just reading through stuff

 

[Cowsrcool]

Just had someone at my not vet med job tell me I was not going to be a real doctor and they don’t think vets should have a “Dr.” title. Yikes happy Wednesday I guess ma'am😗

 

[indysadventures]

Just had someone at my not vet med job tell me I was not going to be a real doctor and they don’t think vets should have a “Dr.” title. Yikes happy Wednesday I guess ma'am😗

 

[honeypot999]

How does one write a research paper when you don’t have results?

Darn birds.

 

[pp9]

How does one write a research paper when you don’t have results?

Darn birds.

The classic 'Further investigation is required to better understand the blah blah blah'

 

[SkiOtter]

Very glad honestly I’m going through the first trimester when I have the summer off. I’ve been working part time and my PM has been so wonderfully understanding about me feeling sick. The OB told me I wasn’t allowed to have Zofran because it can increase the risk of heart defects, and that if I absolutely needed it I needed to wait until I was past 12 weeks 🙁

I’ve been taking vitamin B6 and Unisom at their direction. I think it helps a little bit. Today has been better than the past few days, I slept in a bit before waking up sick.

Highly recommend one of these or similar for nausea, from a motion sickness girly. It’s basically a little TENS unit that you strap to your wrist and it sends little electrical pulses through your hand and it definitely helps mine a lot.

 

[katiemcat]

Highly recommend one of these or similar for nausea, from a motion sickness girly. It’s basically a little TENS unit that you strap to your wrist and it sends little electrical pulses through your hand and it definitely helps mine a lot.

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I will check this out thank you!!!

 

[purrlywhites]

SMH. I shadowed VEG at the beginning of June and was open to just shadowing, but they recommended a per diem job so I could be more hands-on and get paid. They lagged a lot and sent me an assessment to do a few weeks later to see where my skills stand, which I was told was just for pay assessment and not exactly for hiring. I finished it weeks ago, and just now they reach out saying per diem isn’t gonna work out now but I can still shadow. But back then, they said the per diem position was approved. Sooo, I just wasted a month waiting on them to do something THEY recommended when I could’ve been shadowing this past month? Maybe it was my assessment, but I am only familiar with SA GP and i’m an assistant, when that assessment seemed to be more tailored towards techs. I plan to apply in August, so getting in these ER hours in a month probably won’t have much impact. Hopefully I can get like 20+ hours with my full time job and volunteering on the side? Second time applicant here so I’ve been trying to stack my schedule

 

[SkiOtter]

I will check this out thank you!!!

One of my besties LIVED in hers while pregnant so it can def help pregnancy nausea too 😂

 

[indysadventures]

SMH. I shadowed VEG at the beginning of June and was open to just shadowing, but they recommended a per diem job so I could be more hands-on and get paid. They lagged a lot and sent me an assessment to do a few weeks later to see where my skills stand, which I was told was just for pay assessment and not exactly for hiring. I finished it weeks ago, and just now they reach out saying per diem isn’t gonna work out now but I can still shadow. But back then, they said the per diem position was approved. Sooo, I just wasted a month waiting on them to do something THEY recommended when I could’ve been shadowing this past month? Maybe it was my assessment, but I am only familiar with SA GP and i’m an assistant, when that assessment seemed to be more tailored towards techs. I plan to apply in August, so getting in these ER hours in a month probably won’t have much impact. Hopefully I can get like 20+ hours with my full time job and volunteering on the side? Second time applicant here so I’ve been trying to stack my schedule

I’m really sorry that happened to you, that sounds really frustrating. I’ve definitely had things like that fall through, too. Whatever you can manage for shadowing, though, I think will still be helpful! I remember when I chatted with schools, several told me that even a day spent shadowing somewhere new shows initiative and curiosity.

 

[_rae_]

New apartment has no water pressure in the bathroom; toilet tank won’t fill, shower can’t even divert all the water to the shower head, and there’s air in the sink line. We were hoping to sleep there last night, didn’t want to without a toilet, and figured we’d know today when we could get in. Still haven’t heard from the plumber.

I’m sick of moving and I’m sick of crap that doesn’t work. The landlords are doing what they can, we’re literally waiting on the plumber, but I’m just O-V-E-R over it.