SDN Pre-Vet WW 10th Anniversary Game Thread

[violetvett]

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O_O so we're trusting the wolves.

i still don't understand. if he doesn't die overnight, we're assuming wolves didn't NK, making him wolf? or since we think he's cult leader, he would be 3p, we cleared yeet avoidance, and it's in the wolves best interest to NK cubs?

I think if he doesn't die, we're assuming wolves aren't going to help us, but we're not going to waste anymore cycles on trying to yeet cubs ourselves.

 

[supershorty]

I think I'm personally most interested in Vis, Barky, Paws, as people who are more toward my POE side of things, with a handful of people who I feel like are in my neutrals completely unresolved.

Sporty has felt different to me in some posts, but I truly think that it's because she hasn't come across as stressed or somewhat snarky/snappy at people as she's been in some of the other recent games, and I HATE that being reasoning for feeling different and I don't think it's AI.

I don't agree with anyone village leaning sunny, I think she's squarely in neutrals and needs to give us more for us to get any sort of read on her.

Paws felt okay to me in early game, but I thought that reactivity to April was really strange and I'd like to go look at Worst Idea to see if any of that was in there.

 

[SportPonies]

Sporty has felt different to me in some posts, but I truly think that it's because she hasn't come across as stressed or somewhat snarky/snappy at people as she's been in some of the other recent games, and I HATE that being reasoning for feeling different and I don't think it's AI.

Sporty tired.

 

[SportPonies]

I don't agree with anyone village leaning sunny, I think she's squarely in neutrals and needs to give us more for us to get any sort of read on her.

What if... tone

 

[supershorty]

What if... tone

I can't pretend to understand reading sunny off tone and I'm not going to try to.

 

[IvyMoose]

Before anyone asks, these are not in order and it is truly POE.
If you say I'm not wolfhunting, it's because I'm... not. This game is too long and moving too fast. I'm too tired for pbpa right now and I'm honestly considering semi or entirely retiring if games continue running this long. So I'm trying to take things a bit easier and just eliminate those who sound villageyest from the POE.

the only time i have so far agreed with you is in bold lmao. i usually don't do ISO or pbpa, but im trying to come out of my noob shell

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm unhelpfully dropping in to let y'all know that I'm going to be probably 100% away from WW until tomorrow evening
I'll try my best to jump back into discussion before yeet close, but my brain and I might be complete potatoes by then

 

[SportPonies]

I'll be clear, I dislike playing this passively because I don't feel like I'm contributing as much to the game.

...but it's a whole lot easier on irl Sporty to drive-by WW.

 

[IvyMoose]

also so far for my updated reads list that i doubt anyone actually believes because i suck at reading


village vibes
shorty - seems dedicated to wolf hunting, doesn't get too hung up on certain players
alley - also seems dedicated to wolf hunting, haven't seen horrendous reads
samac - kind of like alley, just less village-y


wolf/non-village vibes
sporty - i might as well ride this train until i die (but given current convo, tired is a vibe rn)
cubs - seemed to be stalking N3 thread, and the role reveals immediately after voting closed... just seemed off to me. also seems like dana vibes (from noob game) after being called out for being cult leader.


need better reads on:
Vis
barks

rest are ???

I'll be clear, I dislike playing this passively because I don't feel like I'm contributing as much to the game.

...but it's a whole lot easier on irl Sporty to drive-by WW.

stop making me like you, it isn't good for my wolf read (joking pls take care)

 

[supershorty]

Village vibing:
samac
Ivy

Village leans:
mkg
Zenge
alley
PSV
dolphin
April

Neutrals:
DrS
Cyndia
violet
Dina

Cray - I feel very unresolved on Cray because I have a hard time picturing wolf!Cray posting a reads list as discordant with the thread as the one she posted yesterday, but it didn't seem like people agreed with me on that. It's also D4, which is my on-schedule Freak Out About Cray day.

Sporty just sadded this and I realized I left her off. As mentioned above, she's felt different to me this game, but I'm not sure how much of that is tonal and AI.

Some concerns:
Paws
Barks
Vis

Solid POE and can't recover from it until he's dead and we're playing another game:
cubs

People I feel like I need more from before having a read:
MJ
sunny
capri

 

[IvyMoose]

also, i will always take "i need to take time for myself" and "i will be away for x event" as truth, only because
1) i hate when people lie and
2) from my experience with vetmed, and mental health across all aspects of life, if you need the time, take it.
If you lie about it, to me it seems like you're using the bad parts about vet med and mental health to try and win an online game, which doesn't sit right with me. I want to like you all, so please take time away if you need it... in case anyone needs to hear that from a noob. I've needed to hear it before from professionals to friends to students alike, so take care of yourself.

end speech

 

[SportPonies]

wolf/non-village vibes
sporty - i might as well ride this train until i die (but given current convo, tired is a vibe rn)
cubs - seemed to be stalking N3 thread, and the role reveals immediately after voting closed... just seemed off to me. also seems like dana vibes (from noob game) after being called out for being cult leader.

well that sure ain't how you win WW

 

[Mad Jack]

I think if he doesn't die, we're assuming wolves aren't going to help us, but we're not going to waste anymore cycles on trying to yeet cubs ourselves.

So we just give the power to the wolves to throw the game if they are losing then? Seems like it could backfire. Ah well, if you're all set on it. But if it doesn't work that puts points on my samac being a misdirecting wolf radar, and makes me wonder if he (or someone else advocating for this vote) is trying to buy time for some BS like extra kills or something

 

[SportPonies]

So we just give the power to the wolves to throw the game if they are losing then? Seems like it could backfire. Ah well, if you're all set on it. But if it doesn't work that puts points on my samac being a misdirecting wolf radar, and makes me wonder if he (or someone else advocating for this vote) is trying to buy time for some BS like extra kills or something

samac is a lady

 

[supershorty]

@SportPonies no sads I fixed

 

[SportPonies]

@SportPonies no sads I fixed

I'm amused that I'm just tossed in there somewhere random now lol

 

[samac]

So we just give the power to the wolves to throw the game if they are losing then? Seems like it could backfire. Ah well, if you're all set on it. But if it doesn't work that puts points on my samac being a misdirecting wolf radar, and makes me wonder if he (or someone else advocating for this vote) is trying to buy time for some BS like extra kills or something

I’m saying we all lose together if they want to be hard headed about it.
But doing nothing just keeps the cult in the upper hand

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Seems like it could backfire.

Sure, it could. But I fail to see why wolves would want cults to hang around and keep recruiting people when that's detrimental to their wincon as well.

 

[SportPonies]

wouldn't it be funny if after all of this, there was no cult?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

wouldn't it be funny if after all of this, there was no cult?

If cyndia, shorty, cubs, samac, and VV are wolfing together and designed this whole thing just to mess with us, then... I'd rather just lose to them.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

If cyndia, shorty, cubs, samac, and VV are wolfing together and designed this whole thing just to mess with us, then... I'd rather just lose to them.

What's angery about this???

 

[Melchizedek]

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wouldn't it be funny if after all of this, there was no cult?

The real cult was the friends we made along the way.
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[supershorty]

If cyndia, shorty, cubs, samac, and VV are wolfing together and designed this whole thing just to mess with us, then... I'd rather just lose to them.

lol that would be some Zenge-style 7D chess

 

[violetvett]

So we just give the power to the wolves to throw the game if they are losing then? Seems like it could backfire. Ah well, if you're all set on it. But if it doesn't work that puts points on my samac being a misdirecting wolf radar, and makes me wonder if he (or someone else advocating for this vote) is trying to buy time for some BS like extra kills or something

No, I completely agree with you that it's risky and not ideal whatsoever. I'm still holding out that someone will miraculously have a vig shot to use before vote close, hence why I'm sticking on my Vis vote until we get closer to then. My village lean on samac might just be previous bias from recent games I played with her (as she was very helpful as village and was a very good wolfcatcher), as I feel like she's matched the same vibes from then, but it is still technically possible for her to be wolf or 3P. I think I'll have a better read on that once a wolf is officially dead.


(btw, Dina iso is incoming y'all, still in progress though.)

 

[IvyMoose]

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The real cult was the friends we made along the way.
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between this game's and noob game's stump commentary i love mel

 

[WildZoo]

wouldn't it be funny if after all of this, there was no cult?

I would laugh

 

[alleycat03]

Well…we don't know that they're not

If the stumps aren’t able to be voted out (as proven by people voting for True), how are we supposed to get rid of them? I think they’re truly just stumps, not cults.

I think I'm personally most interested in Vis, Barky, Paws, as people who are more toward my POE side of things, with a handful of people who I feel like are in my neutrals completely unresolved.

Sporty has felt different to me in some posts, but I truly think that it's because she hasn't come across as stressed or somewhat snarky/snappy at people as she's been in some of the other recent games, and I HATE that being reasoning for feeling different and I don't think it's AI.

I don't agree with anyone village leaning sunny, I think she's squarely in neutrals and needs to give us more for us to get any sort of read on her.

Paws felt okay to me in early game, but I thought that reactivity to April was really strange and I'd like to go look at Worst Idea to see if any of that was in there.

I was going to ask you about cray but then I saw your other list. I agree with your POE for the most part.

alley - also seems dedicated to wolf hunting, haven't seen horrendous reads

… uh thanks for the compliment? I’m glad my reads aren’t horrendous

 

[capri1722]

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The real cult was the friends we made along the way.
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Let's be real, WW is kind of culty 😏
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between this game's and noob game's stump commentary i love mel

you say that now…

 

[capri1722]

If the stumps aren’t able to be voted out (as proven by people voting for True), how are we supposed to get rid of them? I think they’re truly just stumps, not cults

Spoiler: tinfoil

What if the stumps are the cult members and we get rid of them by cutting off the head, so to speak
We kill the cult leader, all the stumps go to dead chat
Like why are some people stumps and some aren't? It's not just for mod shiggles, I'm sure. (To preempt the mod troll reply: ಠ_ಠ) There's some game-related reason. If it's nefarious, then I think this is the most likely scenario.

 

[Truenamer]

I just did an ISO on sporty because i still feel off about their posts, and something wasn't sitting right. Turns out, they have never given us much reads, nor even PoE.

Spoiler: SportyP ISO

this is where we begin to see the "vibes"/non-committal reads. Prior to this, there was just fluffy narrative

I will let this yeet slide SOMEWHAT, only because it was early in the game and we could really only go off vibes.

by wednesday (beginning of D3), i would just imagine more grounded evidence would be necessary. Maybe some quotes or something, idk.

And its comments like these that make me beg "what are your reads?! who is in your village reads?"

We see their decision on alissa falter, maybe bc as a wolf they don't want to come off as hanging onto the alissa wagon too much

where are the receipts, sporty?

i know i answered this, but bold to ask this when you haven't posted a PoE yourself. But i will admit, bringing the attention back to yourself contradicts an earlier claim of mine that you are trying to slide under the radar.

Again, you're asking me for my PoE when you haven't got one yourself!

just yeeting cubs while thinking he has yeet avoidance, not near yeet close... i would have expected someone to investigate more before yeeting.

again, you don't have a PoE yourself.

several comments like these appear throughout the ISO (quotes i haven't included) that give one reason, then in the same sentence contradict (or at least subdue in intensity) the first comment. For instance, here, you tinfoil that shorty is inconvertible, but then think its farfetched... why even post it then? if its for entertainment, i get it. but it seems off.

So you refuse from reading dina and barks... you should still have a PoE, no?

This may read as an attack, and its not... my main question is: @SportPonies what's your reads list? if anything, what's your PoE?

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Sporty withdrawing a bit matches the wolf meta that I've personally seen from her.

Edit- just saw her most recent post, and now feel sad 🙁

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[Doctor-S]

I would laugh

I would do a happy dance pls

 

[samac]

I’ve decided zenge is in the blocc now.

 

[alleycat03]

Village vibing:
samac
Ivy

Village leans:
mkg
Zenge
alley
PSV
dolphin
April

Neutrals:
DrS
Cyndia
violet
Dina

Cray - I feel very unresolved on Cray because I have a hard time picturing wolf!Cray posting a reads list as discordant with the thread as the one she posted yesterday, but it didn't seem like people agreed with me on that. It's also D4, which is my on-schedule Freak Out About Cray day.

Sporty just sadded this and I realized I left her off. As mentioned above, she's felt different to me this game, but I'm not sure how much of that is tonal and AI.

Some concerns:
Paws
Barks
Vis

Solid POE and can't recover from it until he's dead and we're playing another game:
cubs

People I feel like I need more from before having a read:
MJ
sunny
capri

Yep. Everyone in your post with Dina and below her is in my POE.

I’ve decided zenge is in the blocc now.

Fine, I’ll begrudgingly accept him 😛

 

[Truenamer]

I’ve decided zenge is in the blocc now.

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I am eager to leap at a bigger blocc, but are there specific reasons, or is he just feeling like correct!Zenge?

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[samac]

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I am eager to leap at a bigger block, but are there specific reasons, or is he just feeling like correct!Zenge?

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A lot of mental gymnastics I’ve been doing, he just doesn’t make sense as a wolf. His pushes, his play, the car. I very strongly think he’s village.

 

[Doctor-S]

Just finished skimming thread, but it takes waaay too much time to read and digest, so I'm not going to leave a long post.

I'm still reading cubs as sketchy villager because I think he felt forced to reveal role on D2 to self prez at the last minute, due to alissa vs. cubs yeet tally. So, I don't want to yeet sketchy villager cubs, and lose chance to search for woofs, even though others want to crack the egg for cubs, and get it over with once and for all. I get it. If cubs is scum, then I'm wrong, and I was fooled by cubs. I want to look elsewhere rn.

unyeet MJ

yeet Vis

 

[violetvett]

Dina ISO (D1 - D3)

Spoiler: D1

Doc-s played my noob game and she always posted reads list with a few random people and thoughts

I agree the people she posted about were strange choices though especially for this early in the game

It was my first game where I almost won as 3P, of course I remember a lot about it.

Also to vissy - it was not a defense, just me sharing knowledge about her meta. Fluff's defense of her feels really weird, not really sure what to make of both of them

meh I know you asked yesterday, but idr anyone actually pushing her in the noob game so no idea. Agree with whoever said it's probably TWTBW



What was wolfy about it? I'm just jumping in randomly because I'm drowning at the hospital rn and haven't had much time for this game yet. The sus on me is fair enough because of that, just don't know what wolfy motives people are seeing with the Doc S thing lol

^Yeah, I agree that I didn't really find dina's knowledge of Doc S meta wolfy. Seems pretty NAI to me.

My initial feels from skimming the thread

Was kinda sus on fluff yesterday, but her posts today seem better not exactly sure why I feel that way yet
Not really interested in Doc S rn
As of now alley and april seem ok, so does shorty and tentatively I feel ok about zenge too
I was agreeing with a lot of barks' posts, not the best at reading her in general after wwedding, but I'm ok with her now too
samac is pinging me a bit, but I'm not really sure why
I thought sporty's dolph vote felt strange
and a lot of people who haven't posted very much

I think this feels villagey? Idk, strikes me as more genuine than manufactured.

Can someone ELI5 to me why Mel is being very village read? He's neutral to me know but feels like an alternate WW reality.

^Valid, from what I understand Mel is super difficult to read.

I would also like to hear more about her cubs read. @potentialsheltervet do you feel like you're good at reading cubs considering he's your manator

^Again, NAI as cubs is 3P, but it feels more genuine to me? For some reason this sounds very villagey in my head.

vote sporty

kinda of torn on where to go to be honest, but the dolph vote today felt off

Mostly because sporty's reasoning was based on what samac said, so it felt opportunistic

^I couldn't find the sporty-samac thing, but again this was early on so feels-based is ok.

Spoiler: D2

I thought the Mel vote was weird



Why did you think PSV was a good read on cubs again?



I felt good about him yesterday, I feel neutral to good about him today, but I'm going to try to glance through casino again if I can find some time tonight before I decide. I didn't really pick up he was wolfing until towards the end of that game.



I expected you to say she was village



I'm not sure why I quoted this, but I agree with it.

Also, I was weirded out by all the village reads on Mel yesterday, but I thought samac's persistence on village reading him was obvious softing that she knew something the rest of us didn't, but maybe other people didn't pick up on it

Again feels more villagey than wolfy, but at worst neutral imo.

Spoiler: Dina/Zenge/a little april interaction

I feel like you're being easily swayed out of your wolf reads by anyone poking at them a bit. It doesn't feel very zenge like, but maybe it's been too long since we played.

That's fair, but wouldn't village!zenge know that the hedgy wolf read would set you off too? As in is that actually AI?

His twitchiness makes me nervous because it's something I associate with wolf!zenge

Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly

Usually you are more adamant and pushy about your wolf reads, but as soon as April posted a defense you immediately said you'd be willing to reconsider, same thing yesterday when you voted for Mel and everyone said what he was doing was NAI.

Also the whole cubs vote based on PSV's read on him

It just feels like you're testing the waters and changing based on what other people are saying

hmmm okay, I'm on the fence now

I just feel like he hasn't believed in any of his reads so far

@Zenge142 I would like to hear then why you thought PSV was a good cubs read when you get the chance and why you voted for him yesterday.

I don't remember you saying it yesterday, but I might've forgotten

I thought she knew more than she did and in general she can probably read Cubs better than I can.

So are you saying you're strongest wolf read was based on somebody else's read?

Does that necessarily make him wolfy or does that just make him an uncertain villager?

No.

First of all I'm always willing to reevaluate and turn on a dime. You of all people should know that.

I'm not "testing the waters" If i was going to test the waters I'd do it with people who are more universally wolf read. Most people have April and Barks pretty high up.

On D1, yes I had no strong wolf reads, and I mistakenly believed PSV was saying she had a stronger reason for suspecting cubs than it turned out she did.

Not sure, it just doesn't feel like zenge

Hopefully that'll become more clear during the cycle

I'd consider mel and cubs to fit under the category of universally wolf read. I'd also expect wolf!zenge to know that in the past he's been called out for grabbing at low hanging fruit and trying to compensate by adding some people who don't fall into that category

On the other hand, April seems sure that you wouldn't push her this game as a wolf and I am getting some reminders of the multiball game where I was completely wrong about you, so I'm probably going to back off of it now and reevaluate later

I'm sitting in neutral

I trust april's take on him not going after her if he was wolfing and shorty backing it up. Still uneasy about the things I pointed out yesterday

I'm probably not really a good read of zenge. I seem to need seer results or a rojo to get there

Considering a zenge iso now, but that's too much work for me. I think I still have to do a barks re-eval at some point.

I feel like her reasoning and process sounds village. It feels like a naturally developed conclusion to me, but I don't think I've played much with dina and no idea on her meta. Overall, idk neutral, slight village...maybe?

does anyone have a tally?

Alissa sounds like she did in casino and if alissa is a wolf I'm preeetttyyyy sure cubs is not

I also just speed read the last 10ish pages so I might've missed things

Alissa is claiming LIS and PGO but it's a 1x PGO?

But also lying about it a bunch?

This is how I'm feeling rn

And I feel like one flip gives us info on the other.

I also feel bad because AtE really gets to me especially with the exam stuff

While Alissa's claiming feels like casino, LIS is a bold choice to pick if you're fabricating a fake claim, very ballsy if you're a wolf deciding who to pick

alissa thoughts. nothing really stands out to me, feel like it could easily be a wolfy or villagey response.

D3

sorry I got pulled into a sx and I'm not caught up on the last 9ish pages or so

But cubs isn't MsP, or MsP is a cover role or something. 100% confirmed I know exactly who he is

Not sure what this says about the yeet avoidance claim

Okay I'm back already

I was told cubs was the drjojo aka rojo

tbh, info like this automatically makes me want to villageread, but I suppose wolves could easily take advantage of that bias as they too want cult gone. sadly NAI.

My iso was wayyyy longer before, so I've trimmed it down to stuff I thought was more important (even though it's still long, hopefully SDN doesn't crash it on me). That means removing the cubs stuff, since he's 3P. If you disagree and feel like I omitted something important, let me know. Overall, I feel like there's less alarm bells from dina then Vis to me, so my Vis yeet stays.

 

[kaydubs]

Compiling a list for a tally

 

[SportPonies]

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Sporty withdrawing a bit matches the wolf meta that I've personally seen from her.

Edit- just saw her most recent post, and now feel sad 🙁

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Have you…. Ever seen me wolf?
I was fairly certain you’ve only seen me as a late-game cult convert.

Edit: I guess I wolfed in marvel but idk if you played that, and I wouldn’t exactly say that was a peak sporty wolf performance lol

 

[Dinashadow]

Hey @Zenge142 ! Do you think it'd be a good time to convert Dina??????

cubbie please, we did the conversion dance in Ireland and while it was fun, I don't want to do it again

Really wolves, I have a proposal.
We yeet cubs today, if it fails you all NK them.
That makes the whole cycle a wash for village and wolves and puts us on a more even regular playing ground.
Fair enough?

I really want to yeet cubs, because cults are scary and can get out of hand quickly, but we have no reason to know if 1. wolves will NK him and 2. if cubs only has 1x yeet avoidance

Do we have a cycle to waste yeeting cubs and getting no where when we've flipped no wolves?

 

[samac]

Just finished skimming thread, but it takes waaay too much time to read and digest, so I'm not going to leave a long post.

I'm still reading cubs as sketchy villager because I think he felt forced to reveal role on D2 to self prez at the last minute, due to alissa vs. cubs yeet tally. So, I don't want to yeet sketchy villager cubs, and lose chance to search for woofs, even though others want to crack the egg for cubs, and get it over with once and for all. I get it. If cubs is scum, then I'm wrong, and I was fooled by cubs. I want to look elsewhere rn.

unyeet MJ

yeet Vis

You’re caught up and think he’s a sketchy villager?

 

[samac]

cubbie please, we did the conversion dance in Ireland and while it was fun, I don't want to do it again



I really want to yeet cubs, because cults are scary and can get out of hand quickly, but we have no reason to know if 1. wolves will NK him and 2. if cubs only has 1x yeet avoidance

Do we have a cycle to waste yeeting cubs and getting no where when we've flipped no wolves?

I don’t think he has a 1x yeet avoidance. I think he has a death avoidance.

 

[Zenge142]

I think he had a death avoidance.

Past tense?

 

[samac]

Past tense?

Typo. Has.

 

[Dinashadow]

The hard to kill thing that cyndia mentioned reminded me of the 3Ps in bioshock that were also very hard to kill

does anyone remember what they're avoidances were?

 

[samac]

The hard to kill thing that cyndia mentioned reminded me of the 3Ps in bioshock that were also very hard to kill

does anyone remember what they're avoidances were?

I GOTCHU

I as big daddy could be NK’d. I had to be NK’d before my little sister.
It took 3/4 of the roster to be on my yeet and yeet me.

 

[Zenge142]

The hard to kill thing that cyndia mentioned reminded me of the 3Ps in bioshock that were also very hard to kill

does anyone remember what they're avoidances were?

Little sisters couldn’t be killed until their Mr.Bubbles was killed. MrS Bubbles couldn’t be killed (from the wolf side unless all living wolves used their night actions on it simultaneously. Not sure what village would have had to do to yeet one of them.

 

[samac]

Little sisters couldn’t be killed until their Mr.Bubbles was killed. MrS Bubbles couldn’t be killed (from the wolf side unless all living wolves used their night actions on it simultaneously. Not sure what village would have had to do to yeet one of them.

Yep forgot all wolves at once, but it was 3/4 the living players on the vote to yeet.

 

[Dinashadow]

I GOTCHU

I as big daddy could be NK’d. I had to be NK’d before my little sister.
It took 3/4 of the roster to be on my yeet and yeet me.

Hmm maybe it is worth it to try, but we should probably do it as a combined effort

 

[Truenamer]

Have you…. Ever seen me wolf?
I was fairly certain you’ve only seen me as a late-game cult convert.

Edit: I guess I wolfed in marvel but idk if you played that, and I wouldn’t exactly say that was a peak sporty wolf performance lol

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Not only was I one of the only people suspicious of you before you got Vig shot, you were trying to shade me.

So yeah, I have absolutely seen you wolf.

Spoiler: Examples

I guess I meant folks like you, Bread, Violet, SAR, Sporty to an extent.

This is a good time to say that earlier I said something along the lines of "I bet there's a wolf among the low-posters" but I included Sporty and low and behold, she were a woof. I don't think there necessarily needs to be another one.

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