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SARdoghandler said:
Still concerned about LotF and Fireman, personally.



Sorry, you are correct. I had it the day before. The day of the dpmd lynch is when I had the tie breaking ability. I thought I was being transparent but I can't keep track of what day it is when I've worked 6 straight
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This is also about Fireman and LoTF before she was cornered. As I re-reading SAR's posts I think LotF is cleared too.
 
Coopah said:
This does make me suspicious of Fireman. I know when I wolf I throw other wolves out for lynch when I know I'm going down. Hold on I'll try to dig up more
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The only positive I can remember for Fireman was that Lupes defended saying that lack of play is more of a villagery thing for him.
 
SARdoghandler said:
Going off of my list from yesterday, and based on people seeming to want to leave Fireman around a while longer,

Lynch Haxx

I'm off to teach school groups and then watch show jumping, will try to get back on before lynch close but I might not make it in time :panda::cow::highfive:

(closest I could get to show jumping emojis without beating a dead horse)
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Interestingly SAR has been on Fireman a bit. I don't know if it's been dogged enough for me to lay my suspicions by the wayside but I'll leave my vote on Jilary for now. I went thorugh Fireman's posts and there wasn't much there... besides suspicion of me.
 
I agree about Fireman in that I don't like that he's ghosted through the entire game (I understand being busy - I've been busy too but I've been doing my damnedest to participate and strategize). However, I think the marks against @Coopah are strongest. AM seems sure you aren't wolfy but I'm not sure how she can be so certain, frankly.

And FWIW, I think Kam is no good for the village. I don't -think- she's a wolf (although I would not at all be surprised when the game's over and she is) but I think she's some form of chaos with a win condition that we don't want around.

Also, I have the car today and can ask the mods a question. Any ideas?
 
that redhead said:
I agree about Fireman in that I don't like that he's ghosted through the entire game (I understand being busy - I've been busy too but I've been doing my damnedest to participate and strategize). However, I think the marks against @Coopah are strongest. AM seems sure you aren't wolfy but I'm not sure how she can be so certain, frankly.

And FWIW, I think Kam is no good for the village. I don't -think- she's a wolf (although I would not at all be surprised when the game's over and she is) but I think she's some form of chaos with a win condition that we don't want around.

Also, I have the car today and can ask the mods a question. Any ideas?
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I realize you have been busy but SAR has been proclaiming me sketchy for DAYS now trying to get me lynched. This started way before she was even up for lynch. I'm the first one to bring her up as sketchy on thread. You have to see that I'm not the one you're looking for.
 
I tried to ask how many possible win conditions there were to suss out if Kam (or whoever is neutral/chaos) would win with village or wolves, but worded it poorly so I got the number of factions instead. You could try to get that answer.
 
LadyOtheFarm said:
I tried to ask how many possible win conditions there were to suss out if Kam (or whoever is neutral/chaos) would win with village or wolves, but worded it poorly so I got the number of factions instead. You could try to get that answer.
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Unless chaos or the wolves wanna answer for us?:heckyeah:
 
Not strategy, just a tidbit about me: when I say I've been "busy" I mean I've spent the last 10 days at one of the busiest firehouses in the nation. Been averaging around 2 hours sleep a night with a couple of catnaps during the day. A good friend of mine and old partner who know works(ed) for LA City Fire died early last week during a training excercise. The wife of my senior FF who I started my career with passed away unexpectedly Friday morning. I am historically more quiet when in a villager role which was actually something I was hoping to start changing this game but life happened hard this last week and half or so.

Strategy wise, I've explained why I didn't like coopah, the excuse that "phrasing doesn't mean anything" or whatever she said falls flat for me and probably anyone who plays Lounge WW, but if there are people vouching for her I'm willing to change my vote off. Looks like one hard vouch, but people questioning it. I'll have to reread some stuff but I don't recall SAR gunning hard for her, I thought she(he?) hopped on after I voted for her, but could be totally wrong.
 
Coopah said:
Yes I already have. Communication helps the village. I understand that you might not want that. There is a point where spreading information is more beneficial to dying with it.
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I passed on my info via the stamp yesterday. I also had no worries about it dying with me.

Coopah said:
Yes anyone with half a brain could see she was the item maker. I sent her a message via the stamps telling her what I know and she publicly acknowledged it on thread. But I don't know much. This is why I'm getting so tired of this game. People need info spoofed to them and them alone to take any sort of action. It's rediculous
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So you are complaining about people wanting stuff spoon fed to them, yet you seem to want me to spoon feed you info that I think it pretty obvious from things that have been said on thread.
 
Jilary - villager
SnowshoeDog143 - likely villager
nohika - likely villager
Animal Midwife - likely villager

Coopah - wolf leaning, but may be some evidence that she's not a wolf
LadyOtheFarm - has been busy/quiet, I don't have a good read on her
Fireman - has been busy/quiet, I don't have a good read on him
that redhead - wolf leaning

Kam325 - known neutral

AM - did dds tell you who he checked out? Was there a reason he chose TRH to send the cdo info to?
 
I am personally offended that the wolves are keeping me alive. I hate endgame.

I think we still have a seer remaining, out of those named. But I'd bet it is the wolf seer.
 
Jilary said:
Jilary - villager
SnowshoeDog143 - likely villager
nohika - likely villager
Animal Midwife - likely villager

Coopah - wolf leaning, but may be some evidence that she's not a wolf
LadyOtheFarm - has been busy/quiet, I don't have a good read on her
Fireman - has been busy/quiet, I don't have a good read on him
that redhead - wolf leaning

Kam325 - known neutral

AM - did dds tell you who he checked out? Was there a reason he chose TRH to send the cdo info to?
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Why do you have Snowy likely villager? I have LoTF as pretty village right now, we've been talking. Agree on Nohika, AM, Fireman, TRH, and Kam though. We're going to have to agree to disagree for now on the rest. LoTF has pointed out a few things about you, and I admit I may be tunneling. I think we need to check out Fireman and TRH. I would like to know why you think of Snowy as village leaning. For everybody's information here's my convo with SAR regarding snowy
SARdoghandler said:
Yeah, totally agree. I guess time tonight will tell which way that's going.

Got any feels on anyone else going into tomorrow?

I'm leaning village on Ceke for sure. Just seems like no wolf would be hinting at taking a wolf out with them when they go so blatantly on thread. Also feeling village so far on Snowy. I've messaged ehr a bit now and gotten only a couple messages back, but so far she sounds normal village Snowy to me.
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SARdoghandler said:
Yeah, I'd really like to know who or what rezzed Nohika, if only so I can move them to my village pile haha. I don't know if DocE and some of the others actually have a posting restriction completely or if they are just taking their role super srsly haha.

No idea on exactly what happened with the mayor stuff. I basically stated that I thought Snowy alluded to it being part of her role and she didn't disagree. I didn't want to push more than that because I don't want her to feel like I'm fishing for her ability/role. I'm more okay with her for now though as like I said, she's sounding village to me but admittedly I haven't messaged a ton with her yet.
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SARdoghandler said:
Whew finally caught up on thread again. I just posted a big ol list of my feels on thread because it helps me think. I agree with some of your reads. T4C has been super sketch to me, and so has dds. It could easily be a wolf move to just write so much in a confusing way to hide being a wolf as everyone would just write it off to role.

Also, what do you make of Jil saying there are others with lynch avoidances?

Just out of curiosity, who did you silence today? That came around again last night, right?
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SARdoghandler said:
Yeah, sorry, I get that. I've just been posting the majority of my reads on thread, so I haven't had much that isn't already out there. I'd really like to keep your trust because I'm starting to not feel good about Snowy, but pretty solid on you being village (and will say so beyond just plunking you in my village lean pile if you come up to lead a lynch at some point)

If it helps you feel any better, I'm vanilla with a role I've never even heard of before whose apparent claim to fame is forgetting about the game for long periods of time and being apologetic about it. Hahaha.
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She started feeling good about Snowy then started to feel "not so good" I'm trying to figure out if it's just some cover or a wolf throwing shade.
 
Confident that Snowy, Fireman, TRH, and AM are village.

Coopah claims blocked, but there shouldn't be any blockers left in the game. Coopah's your wolf.
 
Kam325 said:
Confident that Snowy, Fireman, TRH, and AM are village.

Coopah claims blocked, but there shouldn't be any blockers left in the game. Coopah's your wolf.
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Yeah because there's not a blocking item or anything... would you like to explain why you're so confident those people are village? Or should we all just trust you because it's not like you won't die when we kill you. *sarcasm*
 
Coopah said:
Yeah because there's not a blocking item or anything... would you like to explain why you're so confident those people are village? Or should we all just trust you because it's not like you won't die when we kill you. *sarcasm*
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Okay, anyone have a blocking item and use it on Coopah, then? Should be easy to confirm.
 
Jilary said:
Coop being blocked doesn't really clear her in my mind. STL had at least one game before where blocking didn't block kills. AM - you had the blocking item? Do you know if it blocks kills too?

TRH - maybe you could ask if blocking blocks kills?
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When did I say I had the blocking item?

Kam325 said:
Confident that Snowy, Fireman, TRH, and AM are village.
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Why are you confident about Snowy?

Jilary said:
AM - did dds tell you who he checked out? Was there a reason he chose TRH to send the cdo info to?
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There was a reason.
 
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Jilary said:
Jilary - villager
SnowshoeDog143 - likely villager
nohika - likely villager
Animal Midwife - likely villager

Coopah - wolf leaning, but may be some evidence that she's not a wolf
LadyOtheFarm - has been busy/quiet, I don't have a good read on her
Fireman - has been busy/quiet, I don't have a good read on him
that redhead - wolf leaning

Kam325 - known neutral

AM - did dds tell you who he checked out? Was there a reason he chose TRH to send the cdo info to?
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You still haven't said what makes you think I'm wolf leaning, which leaves me no room to defend myself to you. The fact that dds passed that info on to me means he trusted me with it and when he died villager, it confirmed my (posted) thought that whoever sent that info meant well by it.I assume he trusted me with it because he seer'd me and saw that I'm village.

I think snowy is still suspicious as hell especially if she hasn't been investigated in any way this freaking late in the game. I guess it's more Lounge style but the mayor should always be one of the first investigated.

@Fireman I didn't mean to imply that my "busy" was equal to your "busy"- I just mean that the whole defense of you being quiet means you're a villager shouldn't be this strong reason not to lynch you. I'm really sorry for the hellish week you've had 🙁
 
Kam325 said:
Okay, anyone have a blocking item and use it on Coopah, then? Should be easy to confirm.
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Coop also said she used her ability on you last night. You are talking, so that leaves either her not using the ability, a redirection to somebody else, or you being immune to her ability somehow (doubtful, but who knows) assuming she told the truth about who she used it on.

Is anybody not talking today?
 
LadyOtheFarm said:
Coop also said she used her ability on you last night. You are talking, so that leaves either her not using the ability, a redirection to somebody else, or you being immune to her ability somehow (doubtful, but who knows) assuming she told the truth about who she used it on.

Is anybody not talking today?
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The only person that hasn't said anything today is Snowy, paging @SnowshoeDog143
 
Election Tally
Kam (7) - Kam, cdo, filly, kco, sar, trilt, PBC
Genny (4) - genny, pippy, vanilla, DocE
DocE (3) - DoubleDs, nya, dpmd
Bear (1) - Haxx
Lotf (7) - lotf, jil, snow, AM, nohi, teep, coop
ceke2002 (1) - firebird
DVMD (3) - DVMD, T4C, ferny
T4C (1) - ceke

27/30 votes

Day 2 Lynch Tally
snowy (1) - SOV
AM (1) - Kam
Kam (8) - ny, coop, Ferny, SAR, T4C, Filly, Trilt, PBC
MJ (2) - kcough, dds
dpmd (1) - Haxx
vanilla (3) - trh, cdo, Jilary
Haxx (1) - AM
kcough (1) - DocE
trh (1) - teep
ceke (6) - pipperoni, snowy, genny, MJ, vanilla, dpmd
nyan (1) - Fireman
pipperoni (1) - lotf
PBC (1) - ceke

28/29 votes

Day 3 Lynch Tally
Kam (15) - DocE, Fern, SAR, genny, nyanko, coop, Ceke, dds, MJ, nohika, cdo, AM, Haxx, vanilla, TRH
Ceke (1) - Fireman
genny (1) - Kam
fern (4) - teep, Trilt, PBC, sobsob
sobsob (1) - kcough, snowy
Coopah (1) - LoTF
trilt (1) - Jil
AM (1) - filly

26/29 votes

Day 4 Lynch Tally
MJ (9) - Trilt, FB, AM, cdo, ny, DocE, trh, Kam, SAR
T4C (1) - Coop
AM () -
DocE (3) - DVMD, SOV, MJ
Trilt (3) - Jil, dpmd, Haxx
trh (1) - genny
nohika () -
Coop (2) - dds, LOTF
genny (2) - kc, Snowy
Kam (1) - Ceke

22/28 votes

Day 5 Lynch Tally
DocE (2) - DVMD, Ceke
Fireman (1) - kc
T4C (5) - SOV, Fern, SAR, AM, Fireman
Ceke (13) - DocE, trh, Jilary, nohika, cdoc, dpmd, Haxx, T4C, nyanko, genny, Coopah, Snowy, LoTF
AM (1) - Kam

22/26 votes

Day 6 Lynch Tally (pre-assassination)
DocE (4) - Haxx, Jil, genny, SAR
T4C (8) - AM, Coop, Fern, dds, kc, cdo, trh, fireman
DVMD () -
dds (1) - DocE
vanilla (1) - SOV
Jil (1) - DVMD

15/23 votes

Day 6 Lynch Tally (post-assassination)
T4C (7) - AM, Coop, Fern, dds, kc, trh, fireman
DVMD () -
dds (3) - dpmd, Snowy, nohika
vanilla (5) - SOV, Jil, DVMD, SAR, CDO
Jil () -
Trilt (1) - Haxx
Haxx (1) - Trilt
trh (1) - genny

18/22 votes

Day 7 Lynch Tally
SOV (15)- dds, LIS, DVMD, AM, SAR, kcough, genny, cdoc, MJ, Jilary, Lufer, TRH, Snowy, Haxx, LoTF
dds (4) - kam, dpmd, Coopah, SOV

19/21 votes

Day 8 Lynch Tally
SOV (10) - Kam, mj, thr, DDS, am, lis, nokia, haxx, Lucifern, fireman
Fireman (8) - SARDines, cdo, snowy, kc, dpmd, coop, lotf, SOV
dpmd (1) - dvmd
snowy () -

Day 9 Lynch Tally
Haxx (2) - SAR, cdoc
dpmd (2) - Coopah, Jilary
cdoc (12) - dds, haxx, LIS, LoTF, TRH, Kam, kcough, AM, MJ, dpmd, nohika, fireman
kcough (3) - Lupes, Snowy, DVMD

19/19 votes

Day 10 Lynch Tally
dpmd (7) - DVMD, Coopah, dds, AM, TRH, LoTF, kam
Coopah (4) - Fireman, nohika, dpmd, SAR
LoTF () -
SAR (1) - Haxx
TRH (1) - Snowy

13/14 votes

Day 11 Lynch Tally
SAR (8) - DVMD, AM, Coopah, Haxx, Kam, TRH, nohika, lotf
Coopah (3) - SAR, Jilary, fireman
TRH (1) - Snowy

12/12 votes

Day 12 Lynch Tally
SAR (8) - Snowy, AM, Haxx, Fireman, Coopah, TRH, Kam, Nohika, LOTF
TRH (1) - Jilary
Fireman (1) - SAR

11/11 votes
 
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that redhead said:
Nor Day 10- I believe that her cat went missing, but she could have changed her vote instead of simply unlynching dpmd.
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I'm just confused because I'm counting up all 19 players (at the time) cast a vote. Except for Jil. Shouldn't it only be 18 then?
 
Hey guys I'm out all day and just skimming through the day, didn't the blocker coop claimed blocked her die? And are we sure Kam is neutral and not our last wolf?
 
Okay people are getting annoyed with me being on my phone.. I probably won't be back for lynch end

Lynch coop
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Hey guys I'm out all day and just skimming through the day, didn't the blocker coop claimed blocked her die? And are we sure Kam is neutral and not our last wolf?
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I'm not sure Kam what the hell Kam is but it seems to me that Coop is more likely since she was blocked last night and there was no kill. It may have been something more convoluted where Kam is the alpha wolf but...common things happen commonly and a block leading to no deaths is something I can't ignore at the end of the game.
 
Coopah said:
Why do you have Snowy likely villager? I have LoTF as pretty village right now, we've been talking. Agree on Nohika, AM, Fireman, TRH, and Kam though. We're going to have to agree to disagree for now on the rest. LoTF has pointed out a few things about you, and I admit I may be tunneling. I think we need to check out Fireman and TRH. I would like to know why you think of Snowy as village leaning. For everybody's information here's my convo with SAR regarding snowy

She started feeling good about Snowy then started to feel "not so good" I'm trying to figure out if it's just some cover or a wolf throwing shade.
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I just don't think the auto-mayor role whose only ability is to break ties would be a wolf. This is coming from someone who once has the auto-mayor role in an STL game though, so I admit I may be biased.
 
Jilary said:
I just don't think the auto-mayor role whose only ability is to break ties would be a wolf. This is coming from someone who once has the auto-mayor role in an STL game though, so I admit I may be biased.
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How can you be sure that's her actual ability?
 
Jilary said:
I just don't think the auto-mayor role whose only ability is to break ties would be a wolf. This is coming from someone who once has the auto-mayor role in an STL game though, so I admit I may be biased.
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It's interesting, though...on the second lynch of SOV, she voted for Fireman and not SOV again. That race was close, suggesting if she could form the tie she could perhaps spare SOV another go-round. And I don't know that we know tie-breaking is her only role...
 
that redhead said:
I'm not sure Kam what the hell Kam is but it seems to me that Coop is more likely since she was blocked last night and there was no kill. It may have been something more convoluted where Kam is the alpha wolf but...common things happen commonly and a block leading to no deaths is something I can't ignore at the end of the game.
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Isn't Kam claiming to be attacked?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Coop is not our wolf.
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Coopah said:
AM is right, I was blocked last night and Kam was attacked. That was actually fortunate because I had to silence someone last night, so as proof that I was actually blocked last night everyone should be able to talk because I submitted Kam to be silenced. In addition I was also the first to bring up suspicions on SAR when Lupes asked my opinion. You guys are looking in the wrong place.
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Animal Midwife said:
When did I say I had the blocking item?
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When I was remembering this exchange, I thought you said YOU blocked Coop, which made me think you blocked her with an item. Looking back, I see I was wrong, but now I question why you are so certain coop is not a wolf. Has anyone claimed blocking coop?

Animal Midwife said:
Coop is not our wolf.
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Coopah said:
AM is right, I was blocked last night and Kam was attacked. That was actually fortunate because I had to silence someone last night, so as proof that I was actually blocked last night everyone should be able to talk because I submitted Kam to be silenced. In addition I was also the first to bring up suspicions on SAR when Lupes asked my opinion. You guys are looking in the wrong place.
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Animal Midwife said:
Why are you confident about Snowy?
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I'm not confident, but I have feels based on my response above to coop.

Animal Midwife said:
There was a reason.
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Care to expand? A reason that makes you KNOW she's village or was dds testing TRH?
 
Fireman said:
Not strategy, just a tidbit about me: when I say I've been "busy" I mean I've spent the last 10 days at one of the busiest firehouses in the nation. Been averaging around 2 hours sleep a night with a couple of catnaps during the day. A good friend of mine and old partner who know works(ed) for LA City Fire died early last week during a training excercise. The wife of my senior FF who I started my career with passed away unexpectedly Friday morning. I am historically more quiet when in a villager role which was actually something I was hoping to start changing this game but life happened hard this last week and half or so.

Strategy wise, I've explained why I didn't like coopah, the excuse that "phrasing doesn't mean anything" or whatever she said falls flat for me and probably anyone who plays Lounge WW, but if there are people vouching for her I'm willing to change my vote off. Looks like one hard vouch, but people questioning it. I'll have to reread some stuff but I don't recall SAR gunning hard for her, I thought she(he?) hopped on after I voted for her, but could be totally wrong.
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Sorry about your friend. 🙁 That said, we all know being IRL busy and having crappy circumstances doesn't exclude you from being a wolf.
 
that redhead said:
You still haven't said what makes you think I'm wolf leaning, which leaves me no room to defend myself to you. The fact that dds passed that info on to me means he trusted me with it and when he died villager, it confirmed my (posted) thought that whoever sent that info meant well by it.I assume he trusted me with it because he seer'd me and saw that I'm village.
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Mostly feels and some dead villagers seemed to have those same feels on you too. If dds did seer you, that would certainly change things.
 
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