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I am going to send you something via FB text that will make the following make sense...

UMBRELLA!

 

[DVMDream]

And only sending via FB messenger because it is against SDN ToS.. so I can't post it here. And it is entirely not game related.

 

[PippyPony]

Quickly re-read before bed.

Contingency lynch Jil

Timing was off; she had a weak post "pushing" Britzen after the lynch had already picked up steam. And her lynch vote for Britzen/recognition of what was going on with genny happened after my exchange with genny where the lightbulb finally went on, so all of this "I knew what was going on right off the bat" business doesn't fit with the timeline. And she's chiming in on other people's reasoning a lot.

Sporty spice and DVMD actually worth second looks too, I think, if Jil were to flip wolf.

 

[PippyPony]

First off, I am ashamed of WZ.

Second, this is the part where you decide if you want to trust what I’ve said. Obviously, if we lynch Britz and she flips village, then you’d be right to question me. Fairly certain I’m not going to have that problem.

Yeah but I think I would still like to lynch dubz, though.

But interesting. I'll think about it.

Ok so for people who seemed to miss this..."I'll think about it" means "Doh, I recognize what you are saying, I am a dolt and am no longer going to draw attention to you, and am going to still vote for someone else to keep discussion going."

In regards to my feelings about your Dubz vote:


Why are you voting for her? Did I miss something? Because I haven't seen you explain why you want to vote for her, despite asking everyone else to explain themselves.

Side note: it is generally not super duper wolfy to ask people to explain their votes. That is part of wolf hunting.

Don’t even get me started on this!

If you are saying what I think you are saying..

Lynch britzy

This was after my exchange above, for the record.

That's fair.

unlynch DVMD

What was this unlynch? This was weird at the time. Mel and I had just been talking about how it was likely that wolves would be jumping on the Britzen vote, and then this randomly happened as part of a response to your statement that you were "worried" about the speed that she was picking up votes.

If I’m picking up what she’s putting down, I think this is something we should definitely pursue. I also don’t think we should stop talking about other potentially sketchy players and behavior. Mel is definitely someone I have my eye on currently. I’m interested in people’s sketchy thoughts on wz’s, can’t say I noticed anything weird there, but sometimes other people see things I don’t.

If Jil flips wolf I actually feel like this bumps both of these guys more village.

I musta missed an earlier post. What did Britzen do last night? Or, if you didn't reveal that, how strong of evidence is it?

So, you also didn't totally know what was going on.

And I <mostly> disagree regarding your last statement about the more people talk.

Posting plenty of contributory posts helps - so talking a lot does help. But if the talking "a lot" is just inconsequential volume ... sure, that's going to hurt.

🙄

That's fair. But, I take Pippy's point. Pippy likes to force multiple people to discuss, so she doesn't like runaway voting. It's pretty classic for her meta.

Doesn't make her village, by <any> stretch, but I don't think it's out of line with her play.

This was just weird to me in retrospect - you made a lot of statements how my earlier game play was consistent with my meta, then you did a 180 later on this evening, about the same posts. Hrm.

I feel like you are being intentionally obtuse. If you are so innocent, what were you doing last night?

This was the post mentioned in my contingency vote; rings hollow to me especially because this was pretty late.

 

[PippyPony]

I really dislike the way Pippy was talking about this Britz lynch. I even went back and reread and it just doesn't sit right in any capacity. At the very least, I'd like to get her talking more.

Be careful what you wish for.

But also...really? I would be willing to bet cash money that I did more talking yesterday than anyone else.

This is like the 3rd "overly alarmist comment" mark I have for you. This, your comment about Cyndia (where'd those feels go, btw?), and your comment about the vote accumulation on Brit being worrisome.

 

[PippyPony]

Are you arguing that we shouldn't point out unusual play?

I hope you know that I would literally never argue this.

But I would also hope that people think about what direction the unusual-ness leans, if that makes sense.

And, you never answered: Are WZ and Cheezy also "cleared" by virtue of the same argument you made about yourself?

No, because I don't think staying off of one vote "clears" me, either.

For dubz, it was deliberately done and right in the vicinity of a post how wolves would consider their votes carefully and do what was unexpected, so for her this one data point is neutral. I can give a longer explanation if you really want, but I doubt you do.

For Mel, yeah, I gave half a village point, actually.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I also disagree that spatting at people like a feral is off my norm for getting lynch attention as a villager, but whatever.

I was going to say that you being super defensive actually makes me want to lean you village because you usually get pissy after a couple people say you are sketchy/lynch you. But then I realized I don't think I've ever seen much suspicion on you as a wolf, so I can't say you wouldn't also do the same.. Going back and forth on this one

Be careful what you wish for.

But also...really? I would be willing to bet cash money that I did more talking yesterday than anyone else.

This is like the 3rd "overly alarmist comment" mark I have for you. This, your comment about Cyndia (where'd those feels go, btw?), and your comment about the vote accumulation on Brit being worrisome.

Not too worried about sporty right now. If we have a seer or tracker in this game, I would expect them to look into the mayor one of the first couple days.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I checked in this morning, saw all the likes on the drunken post I didn't remember making, and figured I should explain myself since it definitely was an out of character post for me.

And yes, today turned into an insane day thanks to more than double the number of trapped ferals showing up on an already overbooked surgery day, and someone leaving a pop-off valve closed on a dog which set our whole morning back. I'm beat so not going to be able to give you much tonight, but I'll be more chatty tomorrow night.

Hmmm not to sure about what is off exactly about this post, but it's giving me feels. Backtracking on something people thought was sketch... then saying I'll post more tomorrow.

 

[kaydubs]

Hmmm... may be a good way to offset the cost of vet school...

If only that were true....

 

[kaydubs]

am at school from 7:30am-11pm both tomorrow & Thursday.

This is basically my work schedule right now...no wonder I’m waking up so early (3:30am 2 days in a row!!!!!)

 

[WildZoo]

Yeah no one is going to read it anyways

So glad in retrospect that I spent like an hour of study time writing it on my phone lol

Oh I read it. I typically read all the things. Just no time to really digest and respond until later.

 

[kaydubs]

Night closed, gimme a few for writing.

 

[Trilt]

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Modbandonment!

(Am I doing this right?)

 

[kaydubs]

Feeling confident and over-joyed at their victory over an evildoer of Genesis-land, most players spent the night relaxing and partaking in various fun activities. (See your PMs for more details).

Dead is @DVMDream - Sonic the Hedgehog. One of Sega's most iconic characters (for those who've never heard of the gaming system). She could choose to protect herself or protect others. She was protecting someone else when someone *RUDELY* killed her.

^I thought this was appropriate for DVMD.

But unfortunately this happened:

aka GAME OVER

Do not let this horrific justice go unpunished. It is Day 3. Lynch deadline is ~9:30pm Eastern.

****In mourning for DVMD/Sonic, ALL PLAYERS MAY PM during DAY 3 with the player listed above or below them in roster as stated in initial write up (Teep with LIS + ally, etc, WZ with allie and MJ). PM-ing must end by end of lynch today!!!**** (Mod does not need to be included in comms but I hold you to your honor (if you have any) to end convos when I post lynch results this evening.

15 players.

[URL="https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/sega-ww-genesis-signups-game-thread.1288545/page-2#post-19483169"]First Game Post/Table of Contents[/URL]

Player Roster:
1. @Crayola227-Pulseman (blocker)
2. @allieh8607
3. @WildZoo
4. @Mad Jack - currently MIA
5. @DVMDream-Sonic the Hedgehog (protector)
6. @Jilary
7. @Animal Midwife
8. @Cyndia
9. @genny
10. @PippyPony
11. @vetmedhead
12. @SnowshoeDog143
13. @Melchizedek
14. @SportPonies
15. @Frozenshades
16. @britzen - Shao Kahn (WOLF)
17. @LetItSnow
18. @Teepster87

 

[kaydubs]

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Modbandonment!

(Am I doing this right?)

Gotta get to work, I'm gonna be late.......(Still in jammies, didn't eat.....oh boy)

 

[Melchizedek]

3 questions:
Who was blocked?
What was the wording of your blocked message?
Did someone “feel an odd tingling” last night?

 

[LetItSnow]

I am going to send you something via FB text that will make the following make sense...

UMBRELLA!

Ahhhhahahahahahahah.

👍

 

[LetItSnow]

So, you also didn't totally know what was going on.

Nope, but I knew something was going on, which you seemed to be saying you missed entirely.

This was just weird to me in retrospect - you made a lot of statements how my earlier game play was consistent with my meta, then you did a 180 later on this evening, about the same posts. Hrm.

Your first posts did seem consistent with your meta. Your later posts once you started interacting with DVMD did not.

Is it that hard to understand? Or are you saying that once you do a read on someone that's it, you can't further evaluate them and all of their subsequent posts have to fall within that first read?

 

[genny]

3 questions:
Who was blocked?
What was the wording of your blocked message?
Did someone “feel an odd tingling” last night?

These are strange questions. Are you suggesting that there is a wolfy blocker?

 

[LetItSnow]

Be careful what you wish for.

But also...really? I would be willing to bet cash money that I did more talking yesterday than anyone else.

This is like the 3rd "overly alarmist comment" mark I have for you. This, your comment about Cyndia (where'd those feels go, btw?), and your comment about the vote accumulation on Brit being worrisome.

See, now this is more typical Pippy posting, and something I can agree with.

Seriously, Pippy, your arguments 'back' at DVMD and I just aren't making .... sense. I've pointed out legitimate things, and you're response has been .... unnecessarily inflammatory. Usually when you're inflammatory there's a point to it.

It just is weird.

 

[LetItSnow]

I hope you know that I would literally never argue this.

But I would also hope that people think about what direction the unusual-ness leans, if that makes sense.

Of course it does, which is why I said (paraphrasing, because I can't remember my exact words) that it may be significant or it may not be.

 

[genny]

And thanks, DVMD!

 

[LetItSnow]

Hmmm not to sure about what is off exactly about this post, but it's giving me feels. Backtracking on something people thought was sketch... then saying I'll post more tomorrow.

Because it kinda sounds like a wolf who posted things (or 'Liked' posts), and then decided it might look sketchy and got nervous and tried to backtrack.

Or, Cyndia could just be posting drunk and decided she'd better sober up her posts. *shrug*

 

[LetItSnow]

****In mourning for DVMD/Sonic, ALL PLAYERS MAY PM during DAY 3 with the player listed above or below them in roster as stated in initial write up (Teep with LIS + ally

I need more coffee. I read this and literally wondered "I have an ally? What the hell? I'm not hydra-playing!"

 

[LetItSnow]

3 questions:
Who was blocked?
What was the wording of your blocked message?
Did someone “feel an odd tingling” last night?

1) I was blocked.
2) Need more info if you want to get more info.
3) Not me.

 

[LetItSnow]

Tentative....

lynch FS after iso'ing posts. Really nothing there to make me think 'village', and the blitzen vote was super weak.

After iso'ing, I have:

Village lean:
-- Teepster
-- Vetmedhead
-- Genny
-- Animal Midwife

Neutral:
-- SportPonies
-- Jilary
-- WildZoo
-- Allieh

Wolf lean:
-- FS
-- Melchizedek
-- SnowshoeDog
-- Cyndia

I'm having trouble putting Pippy into a category. The overly argumentative responses coupled with kinda weak points makes me want to go wolf leaning, but... I dunno if that's just me being irritated or not.

Not sure what the deal is with MJ. I don't want to start trying to play 'guess the mod' (i.e. would Kaydubs put in a wolf who was going to be absent? would it make MJ more likely villager? etc.).

 

[Melchizedek]

1) I was blocked.
2) Need more info if you want to get more info.
3) Not me.

I’m trying to establish a pattern.

 

[PippyPony]

Nope, but I knew something was going on, which you seemed to be saying you missed entirely.

Ok, but what I'm also saying is that a lot of you guys were reading those conversations after they already happened. So, duh - of course it was easy to see what genny was saying in context. But I was responding to her as things were happening. So I guess, you're welcome for me being obtuse and making her elaborate?

Do you see what I'm saying here -- by the time some of you guys started picking up on this stuff, it was when I was also picking up on it. A bunch of you were doing catch up reads where everything has a logical flow pattern that makes it more obvious than a single post in isolation, which is what I was initially responding to.

Is it that hard to understand? Or are you saying that once you do a read on someone that's it, you can't further evaluate them and all of their subsequent posts have to fall within that first read?

Again, of course I didn't say this. I feel like you're taking my posts now and coming to these overly strong interpretations of what I actually said. It's like you're actively trying to spin them as sketchier than they are by making them into exaggerated absolutes.

Put another way, I think I do enough exaggeration on my own, tyvm 😛

 

[PippyPony]

I'm having trouble putting Pippy into a category. The overly argumentative responses coupled with kinda weak points makes me want to go wolf leaning, but... I dunno if that's just me being irritated or not.

It's just you being irritated. And me being irritated, because the 2 things that set me off the most in this world are:
- lack of sleep
- feeling stupid

(Oh and I guess super obese cats. Because that is just mean.)

But yeah, when I have to explain the same stupid mistake about 20 times in the course of a couple hours, while fielding a lot of comments about how obvious it was and how you all clearly aren't as *****ic as I am, while at the same time I'm overtired and getting mentally stabbed by developmental anatomy, then yeah, I'm going to get grumpy about it. We can psychoanalyze my reactions to feelings of inadequacy at some point for funsies.

The thing that gets me about this, though, is that you are literally just coming off of a game where you wolfed with me. You saw the kinds of things I post in wolf chat. Would you say I am careful, or careless?

Because, I mean -- at the risk of screwing myself over in terms of future games, I'm confused about how you can look at the effort and overall attention I put into coordinating things last game, and come to the conclusion that big, highly visible mistakes like this would be something I would let happen as a wolf. I just wouldn't.

(Before someone makes a WIFOM comment...I know. But there is also such a thing as individual playing style and personal tendencies/habits, and people can't typically maintain a 180 on all of their normal behavioral patterns in any kind of consistent manner over such a short period of time. In anything, not just WW. If I could do that, I'd never be late to class or spend study time on a computer game again, but here we are.)

But ok, I am off my soapbox.

I'm curious as to why you think Teep's vote, for example, was less lazy than FS's. Both of them had like...one post yesterday.

 

[LetItSnow]

Ok, but what I'm also saying is that a lot of you guys were reading those conversations after they already happened. So, duh - of course it was easy to see what genny was saying in context. But I was responding to her as things were happening. So I guess, you're welcome for me being obtuse and making her elaborate?

Ok. Why the last sentence? Totally unnecessary snark. If you really want to convince me, why escalate?

Do you see what I'm saying here -- by the time some of you guys started picking up on this stuff, it was when I was also picking up on it.

Yup. I do. And I think I've said multiple times now that I can see it either way. Do you see what I'm saying here?

Again, of course I didn't say this. I feel like you're taking my posts now and coming to these overly strong interpretations of what I actually said. It's like you're actively trying to spin them as sketchier than they are by making them into exaggerated absolutes.

Except you did say that. You said "hey, LIS, why'd you read my earlier comments as normal meta, and then my later comments as abnormal?"

I mean.... I feel like a couple times now you've basically said something, I've characterized it as accurately as I can - though I'm always open to clarification - and then you've said "that's not what I said" even though it sure LOOKS like that's what you've said. *shrug*

I just feel like you're picking a fight that doesn't make sense.

Which is sketchy.

 

[LetItSnow]

I’m trying to establish a pattern.

Ok. Well. I currently have you on my sketch list, so I think I will decline to play that game until it seems to become useful or necessary.

I will confirm I was blocked last night, though.

 

[Teepster87]

I'm curious as to why you think Teep's vote, for example, was less lazy than FS's. Both of them had like...one post yesterday.

Yeah I did have a quiet day yesterday, I'll try and be better today.
I was pretty early on in the lynch, and had was expecting britzen to have some reasonable explanation/defense. That never happened so I stuck through on it. I'd rather vote to add more pressure than throw a single vote on someone and have it not pick up any steam.

 

[PippyPony]

These are strange questions. Are you suggesting that there is a wolfy blocker?

He suggested this yesterday, at least once.

Considering that village block is dead and people are still getting blocked, I think it is a reasonable assumption that there is a wolf blocker.

Unless the ability thief that vmh mentioned is wolfy and can delay the use of what they steal (like, steal Crayola's block before she died, use it on a delay. Probably would be hard to establish a pattern on that anyways, though.)

Weird for Meats to point that out in the first place, btw. I don't feel like she is usually that free with sharing things like night results.

 

[Teepster87]

I think I'm still feeling a vote for Allie, but we'll see how PMs pan out today.

FS was a bit lower on my list, but I'm not sure if that's just because he's been quieter. I think I've only played with him once before and he was a quieter wolf.

 

[LetItSnow]

It's just you being irritated. And me being irritated, because the 2 things that set me off the most in this world are:
- lack of sleep
- feeling stupid

(Oh and I guess super obese cats. Because that is just mean.)

But yeah, when I have to explain the same stupid mistake about 20 times in the course of a couple hours, while fielding a lot of comments about how obvious it was and how you all clearly aren't as *****ic as I am, while at the same time I'm overtired and getting mentally stabbed by developmental anatomy, then yeah, I'm going to get grumpy about it. We can psychoanalyze my reactions to feelings of inadequacy at some point for funsies.

The thing that gets me about this, though, is that you are literally just coming off of a game where you wolfed with me. You saw the kinds of things I post in wolf chat. Would you say I am careful, or careless?

Because, I mean -- at the risk of screwing myself over in terms of future games, I'm confused about how you can look at the effort and overall attention I put into coordinating things last game, and come to the conclusion that big, highly visible mistakes like this would be something I would let happen as a wolf. I just wouldn't.

(Before someone makes a WIFOM comment...I know. But there is also such a thing as individual playing style and personal tendencies/habits, and people can't typically maintain a 180 on all of their normal behavioral patterns in any kind of consistent manner over such a short period of time. In anything, not just WW. If I could do that, I'd never be late to class or spend study time on a computer game again, but here we are.)

But ok, I am off my soapbox.

I'm curious as to why you think Teep's vote, for example, was less lazy than FS's. Both of them had like...one post yesterday.

And btw, I have repeatedly talked about your smart play. Your insistence about being called "*****ic" just ... it isn't accurate. You're ignoring all the times I've said "geez, Pippy is a smart player." Why such selective data points? Trying to exaggerate my comments to make your point?

With regard to last game - what I observed is that you're hellaciously clever. I literally thought to myself last game "holy ****, Pippy is a dangerous wolf."

But trying to say "hey, I was being careless, therefore I can't be a wolf because I'm usually a careful wolf" .... eh .... that type of circular logic is Crayola-worthy. It's not up to your standard.

Which, like I've said multiple times, might be sketch or it might just be off-typical play. *shrug* I dunno which. But it's a useful data point.

Why you keep getting so offended when I point out that it's atypical and might be meaningful or might not ... I dunno. You'd do exactly the same thing.

I mean, hell's bells, I'm not even voting for you at this point.

 

[Teepster87]

He suggested this yesterday, at least once.

Considering that village block is dead and people are still getting blocked, I think it is a reasonable assumption that there is a wolf blocker.

Unless the ability thief that vmh mentioned is wolfy and can delay the use of what they steal (like, steal Crayola's block before she died, use it on a delay. Probably would be hard to establish a pattern on that anyways, though.)

Weird for Meats to point that out in the first place, btw. I don't feel like she is usually that free with sharing things like night results.

I think wolf blocker is most likely. Didn't VMH say that it was her ability that had been stolen to use last night?
I think it would be a bit overpowered for wolves if they got a free move on N0

 

[PippyPony]

Yeah I did have a quiet day yesterday, I'll try and be better today.
I was pretty early on in the lynch, and had was expecting britzen to have some reasonable explanation/defense. That never happened so I stuck through on it. I'd rather vote to add more pressure than throw a single vote on someone and have it not pick up any steam.

This is interesting. Why were you expecting her to have a reasonable defense? You said in your lynch vote post that it was obvious what genny was trying to get across, which would indicate you knew there were seer results.

Why would you expect a seered wolf to have a reasonable defense?

 

[PippyPony]

Unlynch Jil
Lynch Teep

 

[LetItSnow]

This is interesting. Why were you expecting her to have a reasonable defense? You said in your lynch vote post that it was obvious what genny was trying to get across, which would indicate you knew there were seer results.

Why would you expect a seered wolf to have a reasonable defense?

@Teepster87 , really want a response to this.... I can think of an answer, but I'm not going to put words in your mouth.

Barring a good answer, I'll probably switch my vote over to Teep.

 

[Teepster87]

This is interesting. Why were you expecting her to have a reasonable defense? You said in your lynch vote post that it was obvious what genny was trying to get across, which would indicate you knew there were seer results.

Why would you expect a seered wolf to have a reasonable defense?

Without knowing how Genny got her info at the time, it's always possible that she could have gotten bad info from a item, an PM she wanted to test the source of, etc.
Having a reasonable defense from britzen would have made me think alot harder about who to believe. I think that I'm alot easier to move off of a vote earlier in a game when I'm still trying to sort out who I think that I can trust

 

[LetItSnow]

Without knowing how Genny got her info at the time, it's always possible that she could have gotten bad info from a item, an PM she wanted to test the source of, etc.
Having a reasonable defense from britzen would have made me think alot harder about who to believe. I think that I'm alot easier to move off of a vote earlier in a game when I'm still trying to sort out who I think that I can trust

Hm.

 

[Frozenshades]

I agree some odd behavior but I'm thinking of pippy as more towards village for right now. AM and genny too.

Without knowing how Genny got her info at the time, it's always possible that she could have gotten bad info from a item, an PM she wanted to test the source of, etc.
Having a reasonable defense from britzen would have made me think alot harder about who to believe. I think that I'm alot easier to move off of a vote earlier in a game when I'm still trying to sort out who I think that I can trust

I dunno man. I feel like people's default response has always been test first, ask questions later, when someone is that straight forward or confident with an accusation. A wolf would be unlikely to do that because if they send the lynch mob on a villager, they're probably dead next.

 

[PippyPony]

Clarification:

In my mind, people who would "expect" a seered wolf to have a reasonable defense would be people who were trying to actually coordinate an early game bus. Also explains why he would actively point out that he was one of the early people on her lynch. If you are trying to buy village cred early on with a deliberate bus, you would come out strong and have most of the wolves jump on that vote as early as possible.

If Teep were to flip wolf, I want to lynch AM next. Can almost 100% guarantee she would also be a wolf.

And dubz is back on my wolfy list.

 

[PippyPony]

Without knowing how Genny got her info at the time, it's always possible that she could have gotten bad info from a item, an PM she wanted to test the source of, etc.
Having a reasonable defense from britzen would have made me think alot harder about who to believe. I think that I'm alot easier to move off of a vote earlier in a game when I'm still trying to sort out who I think that I can trust

Yeah sorry I just do not buy this at all.

 

[Animal Midwife]

If Teep were to flip wolf, I want to lynch AM next. Can almost 100% guarantee she would also be a wolf.

Can you explain why?

 

[PippyPony]

Can you explain why?

Sure can. If Teep flips wolf, I will fully explain why. But in the meantime, it should suffice to say that i noticed you were ready to jump on that Britzen vote real fast yesterday, as I pointed out last night.

 

[PippyPony]

Does kaydubs usually put items in her games?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Sure can. If Teep flips wolf, I will fully explain why. But in the meantime, it should suffice to say that i noticed you were ready to jump on that Britzen vote real fast yesterday, as I pointed out last night.

Yeah, and I provided you with my reasoning at the time.

 

[PippyPony]

Yeah, and I provided you with my reasoning at the time.

Yeah, and you pushing this right now is making me side eye you more, for reasons you should be aware of.

If Teep flips village, then I will drop pursuing you. If he flips wolf, we'll deal with you when the time comes, so I'm not interested in pushing you at this point in time. With protector gone, I just want it on record that I want you looked next at if he is a wolf and I end up dead.

 

[LetItSnow]

Does kaydubs usually put items in her games?

Can't remember. Nothing jumps out at me as definitely one way or the other, though. I can't remember the last game she modded.