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My initial thoughts before rereading:
I hesitate to go along with "DVMD isn't a wolf because if she were she would have just let LIS get lynched instead of bringing up the wording of the block." I think this was something she brought up herself. It seems like good logic, but I've seen single wolves do similar things in situations like this, because it buys them a little cred which can carry them through to the next day. WTF did this at the end of the period game when I was getting lynched and it served her well. A wolf playing in the situation we've got here has to play for the long game.

That being said, and from that same vein where the wolf is playing for the long game, why in the world would she have attacked someone who she presumably thought couldn't die at night (I believe pip mentioned that as a theory for why a lynch was being pushed his way) and who she could easily have led a mislynch on instead?

Animal Midwife said:
Are you sure that was WZ's ability?
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Who else's would it be?
Snowy got it from somewhere.

PippyPony said:
Oh yeah you are just terrible at subtly parsing things.

Mmk. :kiss:
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When it comes to ability stuff, yeah. Too bad lupes isn't playing this game, she could tell ya. I can sometimes pick up subtleties in people's behavior or actions they've taken that they're trying to hint at, but role hints? Yikes. I thought I was picking up what people were putting down as I was reading through, got to the end and realized I had it totally wrong. At least, I think I did. But I'll try again.
 
WildZoo said:
My initial thoughts before rereading:
I hesitate to go along with "DVMD isn't a wolf because if she were she would have just let LIS get lynched instead of bringing up the wording of the block." I think this was something she brought up herself. It seems like good logic, but I've seen single wolves do similar things in situations like this, because it buys them a little cred which can carry them through to the next day. WTF did this at the end of the period game when I was getting lynched and it served her well. A wolf playing in the situation we've got here has to play for the long game.
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Don't forget to add in my tunnel vision on Mel and being an overall loud mouth. And nah, I'd let LIS take the fall, actually would be easy to lynch him. Just more WIFOM for you. 😉
 
Animal Midwife said:
There's one other player I can think of. @PippyPony does this match?
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Did that player have their ability stolen though?

Let me make this simple for you.
I had the ability to avoid being killed once during the night and once during the day. Snowy stole that ability. She was then lynched. This used up my day death avoidance. When I got the notification from the mods that it had been used, I had the idea to pretend that my ability had been used up entirely. Wolves took the bait and attacked me. I survived the attack, and am now vanilla. Ta-da!
 
WildZoo said:
Did that player have their ability stolen though?

Let me make this simple for you.
I had the ability to avoid being killed once during the night and once during the day. Snowy stole that ability. She was then lynched. This used up my day death avoidance. When I got the notification from the mods that it had been used, I had the idea to pretend that my ability had been used up entirely. Wolves took the bait and attacked me. I survived the attack, and am now vanilla. Ta-da!
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I feel like there is something fishy about this though and I can't put my finger on it.

I didn't like the timing of the way you pushed the snowy lynch and then flipped to Jil, and I didn't like the flip flops on the claims about the night role.

I feel like you got converted that night you said you were attacked.
 
DVMDream said:
Um. I feel like this is obvious. Because if their ability was stolen then it would indicate WZ and snowy were lying and thus both wolves. They'd be stupid not to say, "um **** you WZ that was my ability that was stolen."
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Who else in this game couldn't be lynched?
 
PippyPony said:
I feel like there is something fishy about this though and I can't put my finger on it.

I didn't like the timing of the way you pushed the snowy lynch and then flipped to Jil, and I didn't like the flip flops on the claims about the night role.

I feel like you got converted that night you said you were attacked.
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Sorry you don't like it but that's how it happened. You can do with that what you will.
You also realize these things don't make sense together right? If I got converted on the night I said I was attacked, that was after the Jil/snowy tie.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Who else in this game couldn't be lynched?
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Is that really the direction you're going with this?

PippyPony said:
Staying on this vote for the long haul I think
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Once again, you are making the argument that I'm an original and a convert at the same time. I can't be both, pip.
Think that whole thing through logically. What thought process would have led to that particular series of actions? None of us were on the chopping block at that time. All I'm seeing from the ploy that's being suggested is bringing a lot of attention to 3 wolves, on day 3, in what is probably a 4 wolf game. It's stupid.

If you want to say I was converted, fine. I wasn't, but there isn't much of an argument against it. I mean, I can try, but I'm pretty sure it would be called WIFOM. I'd be a decent, if kind of obvious target. But I'll be damned if what has been a pretty decent village game gets turned on its head like that. It's insulting to my village and my wolf play. I'm not an idiot, no matter how much STL likes to say I do the stupid thing as a wolf.
 
Anybody want to talk about who Mel's mason is and why the reciprocal protection didn't work last night? Because it seems to me that's the direction we should be lynching. I feel like it's AM but I could be reading things wrong. I'd at least like an explanation of why that happened.

DVMDream said:
Lynch WZ

But if this theory is wrong I'm lynching AM/Pippy next.
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I'm of the opinion you should lynch one of them first, since they're touting nonsense. And pippy has just been reaching for a reason to lynch me all game long. That's just me though 😉
 
DVMDream said:
I just think you and pippy all day today have been trying to get something to stick on anyone but the two of you. It started with LIS, then me, a little MJ tossed in and now WZ.
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You skipped over the part where I started the day with a Pippy lynch.
 
WildZoo said:
Is that really the direction you're going with this?


Once again, you are making the argument that I'm an original and a convert at the same time. I can't be both, pip.
Think that whole thing through logically. What thought process would have led to that particular series of actions? None of us were on the chopping block at that time. All I'm seeing from the ploy that's being suggested is bringing a lot of attention to 3 wolves, on day 3, in what is probably a 4 wolf game. It's stupid.

If you want to say I was converted, fine. I wasn't, but there isn't much of an argument against it. I mean, I can try, but I'm pretty sure it would be called WIFOM. I'd be a decent, if kind of obvious target. But I'll be damned if what has been a pretty decent village game gets turned on its head like that. It's insulting to my village and my wolf play. I'm not an idiot, no matter how much STL likes to say I do the stupid thing as a wolf.
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I'm having that same feeling with you this game that I had with STL in the vet clinic game. I felt like something was off, couldn't nail down whether original or convert, and it was that he was a convert. I still don't know, you may just be my village tunnel, but I'm sorry, I'm not over it.

Otherwise, LIS got "found" and was like auto-converted to wolf or something, and is now a wolf with DVMD.

Allie I had moved off of my list for post content and voting records but I was wrong on her last time she was a wolf.

Teep has seemed somewhat village to me since coming back, might just have blinders on there because I got him killed in the first place

MJ's role is a protagonist of a game with a single protagonist, it would fit with him being absent at first, I think.

But AM, remember that he also knew. I need to check what I actually told him.

Think also about who dubz would convert and vice versa, and how neither of them talked to the other one when they had the chance to.

Sporty is clear as of night before last so I'm taking her off the table.

Edit: and I believe AM and don't think she is a convert because she is acting consistent this morning with how I would expect her to react as village
 
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WildZoo said:
I'm of the opinion you should lynch one of them first, since they're touting nonsense. And pippy has just been reaching for a reason to lynch me all game long. That's just me though 😉
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You like to say things like that I am touting nonsense when I am actually onto something. Head up that you did this the last time you were a wolf.

I thought yesterday you agreed I couldn't be a wolf because I'd never sink Jil like that knowing what I knew about genny.

That can still be corroborated, by the way.
 
PippyPony said:
I'm having that same feeling with you this game that I had with STL in the vet clinic game. I felt like something was off, couldn't nail down whether original or convert, and it was that he was a convert. I still don't know, you may just be my village tunnel, but I'm sorry, I'm not over it.

Otherwise, LIS got "found" and was like auto-converted to wolf or something, and is now a wolf with DVMD.
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So LIS can only be a wolf if I am also a wolf? And we are both converts? Or is it at all possible that I really did ****ing get blocked and got that same message and LIS really was vanillager at the start and him being wolf/me being wolf are entirely separate things? If I am lynched and flip village are you taking LIS off the wolf possibility list? What about if he is lynched and flips village, am I no longer possible to be a wolf? We aren't ****ing connected. All I am stating is he starting the game as a damn vanillager and heck, even his role proves that. He could be the convertyist convert of all time very possible, but if you are lynching him as an original you are dead wrong.

PippyPony said:
Allie I had moved off of my list for post content and voting records but I was wrong on her last time she was a wolf.
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I was going to come to allie. Do we know anything about her? @Animal Midwife what are your thoughts on allie? I still had her as suspicious when I died but everyone seemed to just be fine with her.

PippyPony said:
Teep has seemed somewhat village to me since coming back, might just have blinders on there because I got him killed in the first place
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I've really got to learn to stop talking when I am rezzed. Or really at all. I swear I am always uber suspicious as a villager but get along with minimal to almost no suspicion when I'm a wolf. Kind of comical and kind of frustrating.

PippyPony said:
MJ's role is a protagonist of a game with a single protagonist, it would fit with him being absent at first, I think.
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How long have you known the above for?


PippyPony said:
Think also about who dubz would convert and vice versa, and how neither of them talked to the other one when they had the chance to.
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WIFOM and really doesn't tell me much. That is almost like saying LIS or I would convert one another. DubZ doesn't do what you would expect. Or maybe she does. Or I dunno. WIFOM.

PippyPony said:
Sporty is clear as of night before last so I'm taking her off the table.
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Yes, vetmed stated that her ability seemed villager but would that result have changed if she were converted? If she retained that ability would she still seer the same way as a convert? All reasons that while I don't have her at the top of a list, she should never be "taken off the table".
 
PippyPony said:
You like to say things like that I am touting nonsense when I am actually onto something. Head up that you did this the last time you were a wolf.

I thought yesterday you agreed I couldn't be a wolf because I'd never sink Jil like that knowing what I knew about genny.

That can still be corroborated, by the way.
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I did say that, and then DVMD made that point about genny being dangerous for the wolves, which is why I was asking about the specifics of the timing of the trap.
Add that to the reasons why I'm voting for AM right now and not you.

Animal Midwife said:
I'm revoking your AM reading certificate.
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I thought that was revoked last game
 
DVMDream said:
I was going to come to allie. Do we know anything about her? @Animal Midwife what are your thoughts on allie? I still had her as suspicious when I died but everyone seemed to just be fine with her.
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She's one of the people that's bothered me since Teep/Snowy.
 
DVMDream said:
I was going to come to allie. Do we know anything about her? @Animal Midwife what are your thoughts on allie? I still had her as suspicious when I died but everyone seemed to just be fine with her.
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I'm fairly certain she's not an original but I have no reason why she couldn't be a convert
 
D7 Round and Round We go, Where We Stop... Lynch Tally

AM (2)- teep, dubz
Pippy (1) - LIS
LIS () -
DVMD (1) - sporty
MJ () -
Dubz (1) - pippy
Allieh (1) - DVMD

6/9

Deadline ~9/9:30: 7 hours
 
Animal Midwife said:
Guess.
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No
PippyPony said:
The only reason I would like to hear this is because I thought it would have to be due to a block of the other one
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That's why I'm asking
The only time I've seen something like that happen with these roles is block, ability theft, or conversion with a loss of ability
Seems like the first two are gone from the game, therefore...
 
WildZoo said:
No

That's why I'm asking
The only time I've seen something like that happen with these roles is block, ability theft, or conversion with a loss of ability
Seems like the first two are gone from the game, therefore...
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Oh, there's another ability that when converted would work marvelously in this situation.
 
DVMDream said:
Ok so nobody is an original wolf now for all different reasons. Somewhere, someone is being fooled.
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Or, we're just looking for a convert

Though I'm still a little uneasy about this double kill business for the reasons I stated yesterday.
 
DVMDream said:
So LIS can only be a wolf if I am also a wolf? And we are both converts? Or is it at all possible that I really did ****ing get blocked and got that same message and LIS really was vanillager at the start and him being wolf/me being wolf are entirely separate things? If I am lynched and flip village are you taking LIS off the wolf possibility list? What about if he is lynched and flips village, am I no longer possible to be a wolf? We aren't ****ing connected. All I am stating is he starting the game as a damn vanillager and heck, even his role proves that. He could be the convertyist convert of all time very possible, but if you are lynching him as an original you are dead wrong.
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Yeah I mean it just makes me wonder why wolves were searching for him. And specifically, what would happen when he was found, in terms of his affiliation. I kinda wonder if he was found, auto-converted, and now allows for extra kills.

When did the double kills start? Because I thought Jil confirmed that was the mechanic in her slip ups around the time she was lynched.

DVMDream said:
How long have you known the above for?
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Since yesterday day time
 
PippyPony said:
Yeah I mean it just makes me wonder why wolves were searching for him. And specifically, what would happen when he was found, in terms of his affiliation. I kinda wonder if he was found, auto-converted, and now allows for extra kills.

When did the double kills start? Because I thought Jil confirmed that was the mechanic in her slip ups around the time she was lynched.


Since yesterday day time
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According to Mel there was a second kill attempt N2
Jil said that britzen would be allowed extra kills if she found who she was looking for, but I thought she also said she had to kill him, and that her writeup said that as well.
 
PippyPony said:
Yeah I mean it just makes me wonder why wolves were searching for him. And specifically, what would happen when he was found, in terms of his affiliation. I kinda wonder if he was found, auto-converted, and now allows for extra kills.

When did the double kills start? Because I thought Jil confirmed that was the mechanic in her slip ups around the time she was lynched.


Since yesterday day time
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So why still suspicious about MJ today then?

As far as LIS role/auto-conversion/what would happen if he was found... no idea. I don't know about the double kills. Apparently there was one the night I died. So Night 2 is the first double kill (one successful and one attempted) that we know of. And no that isn't me thinking I protected genny from something, Mel kept stating yesterday or day before that there was a second kill attempt that night but I was wrong about it being genny.
 
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