The WWatering Hole Bar Grand Opening - Game Thread.

[Cyndia]

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I'm back! Making dinner while reading, so might take me a little longer, but I'll post my updated reads list as soon as I'm done getting through everything.

 

[SkiOtter]

Lynch cake
Too many sketchy things said and trying to make other people seem sketchier than they are, especially with the whole bolded letters thing with STL. Honesty points aren't gonna get you anywhere in this game. As Finn said, wolves will try to tell the truth as much as possible because then they don't get caught in a lie.
Some things said in pm just kinda felt a smidgen off as well, but less so than most of what's been said on thread.

 

[Ceke2002]

What? You can't really get points for honesty if we have no way to verify that what you said is in fact true.

Also, if roles names don't mean anything then a wolf is going to be just as honest in regards to their role name. Good wolves don't like when they don't have to.

When I turn up dead and my autopsy says what my name, affiliation, and ability is that to me garners honesty points for the next game, because it's consistent with my game style. At least that's my reasoning.

 

[SkiOtter]

When I turn up dead and my autopsy says what my name, affiliation, and ability is that to me garners honesty points for the next game, because it's consistent with my game style. At least that's my reasoning.

Doesn't really get you honesty points though. Because wolves will still tell the truth too if they're able. So if you turn up villager, sorry, but you don't get any points on my list next game for honesty this game.

 

[allieh8607]

Just read everything from today but going to go back through everything and try and compile a feels list (I need to reread everything anyway...holy moly)

I will say that I really wanted to lynch cyndia this cycle when lynch closed last night and had those same feels throughout most of today's lynch discussion but STL's comments about their PMs are giving me pause...it's definitely between Cyndia and Snowy with maybe a pinch of Ceke thrown in.

 

[Animal Midwife]

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D3 We Got Big Bird Drunk? Unofficial Lynch Tally

Kam () -
Snowy (5) - raf, WZ, Ceke, DVMD, LotF
Cyndia (3) - Pippy, LIS, Kam
Allie (1) - Snowy
Ceke (1) - Ski

10/20 accounted for.

~4 hours remaining!

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[raf2769]

When I turn up dead and my autopsy says what my name, affiliation, and ability is that to me garners honesty points for the next game, because it's consistent with my game style. At least that's my reasoning.

but.... if you're a wolf next game, you'll still want to try to stick to your game style and claim that this is how you always play. which is what you're doing right now... which doesn't make you not a wolf this game OR the next game. and definitely isn't a reason not to lynch you.

 

[Ceke2002]

but.... if you're a wolf next game, you'll still want to try to stick to your game style and claim that this is how you always play. which is what you're doing right now... which doesn't make you not a wolf this game OR the next game. and definitely isn't a reason not to lynch you.

Okay, that does make sense.

 

[WildZoo]

I love that I always know when lotf is catching up

 

[raf2769]

I'm going out soon and won't be around for lynch close.

I'm still very comfortable with leaving my snowy lynch today.
I really have no idea what to think about ceke.. but I do think that if she were a wolf, it's very likely the wolf pack would have told her to stop talking a while ago. still will probably look there tomorrow if lynch doesn't swing that way tonight.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

I feel like she's not as aggressive as she is when she's played village lately. I'm torn on whether to get suckered into a 'well, she's busy with real life and kids' thing or to do what I always tell everyone else to do and ignore excuses and lean on her. Probably the latter soonish. She's low on the list, but she's on it.

If it helps, we move to Maine either tomorrow or Tuesday, so we are packing as fast as we can with kids hanging off us yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We visit 4 sets of family along the way and I visit a lab. So yeah, genuinely busy.

But I am trying to not let it interfere too much since I will be more free in just a bit.

Ditto. I just posted about her being sketchy and then saw that. It's exactly the same dumb stuff I do, and it's always because I'm just cruising fast and not remembering who is dead.

Or even who is playing.

I mean, at least LotF was listing suspicions about someone who is/was in the game.... give her credit for that.

Still feel dumb. I did the same thing with one of my husband's grandparents yesterday. "Which grandma B? Do you mean the one in Iowa, grandma k or..." trailing off as I hear the stupid.

And if you want full disclosure. I am a Heddura Tequila, I am expensive, bring class to the bar, but can cause people to get lost and confused when they drink me (paraphrased). Also villager.

Never heard of the tequila, but the bold is the part that gets me here.

AM literally has been ninja'ing me all game with lynch tallies.

Enjoy!

 

[rabbott1971]

Lynch SnowshoeDog
Sticking with my previous day's lynch vote.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

I'm going out soon and won't be around for lynch close.

I'm still very comfortable with leaving my snowy lynch today.
I really have no idea what to think about ceke.. but I do think that if she were a wolf, it's very likely the wolf pack would have told her to stop talking a while ago. still will probably look there tomorrow if lynch doesn't swing that way tonight.

Nope. Smart pack let's her be Ceke.

 

[raf2769]

Nope. Smart pack let's her be Ceke.

fair

 

[allieh8607]

Really quick while I'm catching up...what the heck does WIFOM stand for?

 

[SkiOtter]

Really quick while I'm catching up...what the heck does WIFOM stand for?

Wine in front of me

Edited to add link

 

[Ceke2002]

Nope. Smart pack let's her be Ceke.

If I ever do get RNG'd as a wolf I expect my play style will change significantly. That's what people should be looking for, a change in play style. So far all you've got is a slightly more focused Ceke, but still fairly standard Ceke play nonetheless.

 

[SkiOtter]

If I ever do get RNG'd as a wolf I expect my play style will change significantly. That's what people should be looking for, a change in play style. So far all you've got is a slightly more focused Ceke, but still fairly standard Ceke play nonetheless.

WIFOMMMMMMMMM

 

[Ceke2002]

WIFOMMMMMMMMM

WFA (Waiting For Absinthe) 😀

 

[Ceke2002]

Back later, hopefully. My lynch for Snowshoe still stands. If the lynch swings my way, so be it, but you'd be much better off looking at the person who's been in the lead on and off from the start of cycle, and saving me for tomorrow. If Snowy flips wolf I would expect that to at least put some villager points onto my ledger.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Really quick while I'm catching up...what the heck does WIFOM stand for?

Wine in front of me. In a nutshell (from the greatest movie ever):

I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

 

[SkiOtter]

If Snowy flips wolf I would expect that to at least put some villager points onto my ledger.

Why?

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I read through on my phone, but I'm getting onto my computer and will post from there. I'm probably going to keep my Snowy vote.

 

[allieh8607]

Wine in front of me

Edited to add link

Ok, so when people say "this is about to be a WIFOM post"...what do they mean? It's lost on me lol

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Ok, so when people say "this is about to be a WIFOM post"...what do they mean? It's lost on me lol

Speculation that could go either way. Like when someone does something and then says "If I were a wolf I would never have done X . . . " It doesn't mean anything, and isn't proof of affiliation or intent.

 

[WildZoo]

Ok, so when people say "this is about to be a WIFOM post"...what do they mean? It's lost on me lol

Basically it refers to the circular logic that happens when you are trying to analyze the actions of someone who knew their actions would be analyzed.
So if I say "But I would never vote for a fellow wolf d1 as a wolf", that statement is WIFOM to the max, because I might do that very thing because people wouldn't expect it.

 

[SkiOtter]

Thank you PBC and subs for explaining that better than I would've been able to hahaha

 

[DVMDream]

Ok, so when people say "this is about to be a WIFOM post"...what do they mean? It's lost on me lol

I may have to lynch you simply for clearly having never watched The Princess Bride.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Based on what STL said, I'd rather wait and see with Cyndia.

Lynch snowy

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Ok but yesterday you also stated that you thought that jailing was more often village than not. You don't know what it does, but you know what affiliation it's most often associated with?

Yes. I was confused at what it did specifically but I remembered people being villager and jailer in past games.

also - does anyone have any thoughts on how snowy is reacting to this lynch?
She seems like grumpy/frustrated.
But I feel like villager snowy is usually more emotional when she's getting lynched as villager? I really don't remember though, so I could be completely wrong

Yes I am grumpy/frustrated because this is the 2nd game in a row wolf genny screwed me over. There is a lot of posts that I dont have time to analyze because I have stuff to do today. I don't blame people for voting my way, I just had some bad luck posts. But I'm also not to torn up because I'm moving in a few days and I probably shouldn't have even started playing this game because it takes up so much of my time 😛

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Looking back at D1:

Idk about the PBC vote. You try to give a reasoning for why you vote someone D1 and its usually for a not very strong reason until people start talking more. I am actually more interested in the people who brought up her vote - pippy, LIS, and 3m. LIS seems off but I think it maybe because he's actually posted a lot at the beginning of the day which I'm used to him catching up later. I am still slightly interested in genny still, but I'm starting to feel like her over-reaction is probably more a village over reaction then a wolfy one. WZ is giving me feels. And I agree I don't like Lotf's "yay you're talking" but I'd like to hear more from her before I decide what I think of her.

unlynch genny
lynch WZ

Bold is interesting because Snowy was the first one to vote for Genny, and her vote had nothing to do with Genny's posting. Then she makes this comment, as if she's reevaluating a vote she made based on feels, but there were no feels, there was just:

Well if everyone is lynching right away

Lynch Genny

Because she was a good wolf last game.

The timing and the "still slightly interested" comments are the weirdest things, since her unlynch happened when Genny was beginning to gain votes.

I am not opposed to the cyndia lynch, but I do think she would have at least put a vote down for genny yesterday instead of just talking about it if she was a wolf.

Looking at voting history (so WIFOM coming up): D1 allie made the genny/PBC tie towards PBC and 3m is kinda in sketch vote zone but not as concerned about her rn. WZ is in a good place on the genny lynch if she is a wolf busting a fellow wolf. D2: Allie and dvmd are later but good if genny was going down to get your vote on her.

This makes me still wonder about allie from my thoughts from yesterday, so I'll vote there for now because I have to go.

Lynch Allieh

Bold: that's literally the reason people have Cyndia feels. This is such a weird soft-vouch.


This (also D1) stands out from Ceke:

Except I've made a commitment and lynched Genny.

Hmm, actually I'm going to

Unlynch Genny

Lynch Britzen

Take this as a compliment, but if this is only your second game, you're playing a little too well. It's making me wonder if you have a pack advising you, considering you don't have a manator as far as I know.

She replied to LIS about her commitment to the Genny lynch, and then (within the hour) switches to Britzen with strange reasoning.

Snowy:

So many pages...

Oh haha I didn't really think about whether there was a conversion last game or 4 original wolves.

Genny has not been super quiet.

Weird comment - if WZ is a wolf will look at genny.

Dubz posted after close and said her strategy would have to wait until the write up. This was Snowy's response to that, which is notable because of her earlier Genny comments. It's very convenient the way she's keeping slight Genny feels, but finding a way to push them out of direct attention. If Dubz is a wolf we should look at Genny.

Ski:

I also can't read AM for ****. But I also can't read anyone else tbh. So if people are lynching AM because no one can read her, then I should just be lynching everyone in this game then.
Crayons is distracting and makes my head hurt.
Genny did get a defensive over votes that were because she was a wolf last game, but I understand that. I kinda like genny in games because i enjoy her wwmotto of "doesn't matter if you win as long as you have fun" and when shes village she seems to just have a fun time (from what i've seen recently, at least)

This looks like her first content post of the game, and bold is . . . kind of a soft vouch for Genny? It seems like a weird thing for a villager to say. It's a comment that would make sense outside of WW, but not within a current game.

Losing any sort of villager is bad, even if vanilla. Are you just giving up? Or are you going to try and convince us to keep you around once you get off work?? It always sets off flags for me when someone's defense is "I'm just vanilla so it's not a huge loss to lynch me"

This was her reasoning for lynching me, so maybe I'm reading my own bias into it, but it feels like trying too hard to push the "we the village" reasoning. Of course we're going to lose villagers. Of course that's sub-optimal. At the time I made my post, I was on break and wasn't positive I'd be back on before close. Losing me was better than losing many other roles (like seer, tracker, ask-a-mod, item maker, protector . . . ). The villager sentiment feels forced.

Into D2 now:

I'm not entirely thrilled about the fact that someone or something is moving people. If it's someone's role, def not a super big fan even though it does give people a chance to talk to others outside their original group, but was a wolf last game and strider played it well and wasn't super sketchy with it.

Putting sketch on a typically village role.

Where tf is cake?! Supposedly it's 12:20 pm (aka middle of the day) in south australia, where her sdn says she's from.

But still.... It's been 14 hours since she posted her contingency for STL. Which if I'm mathing correctly (though I'm not entirely sure I actually am) she put in her contingency at ~11:30 pm last night her time. So 14 hours later you would think she would have risen from the dead at some point

Ski has been super-focused on Ceke, and some of her comments (like keeping track of the length of time she's off the thread) are weird, but some I agree with, like:

See, I never like it when people say "seer me! seer me!!" Because unseerable wolves say this too often because they know they will come up village.

So not sure about it. But if one's a wolf, I think it's unlikely the other is, based on Ski's interactions.

3M:

Okay, reading back through and getting caught up when I had extra time this morning, some thoughts...

Twice, Cyndia said she wanted to vote genny...but didn't. And she basically used the same reasoning both times.

In response to someone else saying genny had been quiet. While I agree with it, it also comes off kinda soft vouch-y.

Some villager points to fin, especially with genny's response

Genny throwing shade finn's way. Village points.

This came off like Kam was jumping on the bandwagon because not really any reasoning?

About genny changing her vote last minute...jumping to genny's defense here is sketch.

Agreed.

If snowy is a wolf, Crayola can have some village points for going after another wolf when one wolf was close to already being lynched.


This just seems weird for STL.


Another soft vouch for genny from rabbott.

Tl;dr Cyndia, rabbott, and snowy are top of my list right now.

This was the post she quoted from Rabbott:

The Genny lynch seemed like a "throw it out there Day 1 and see what happens" thing that never had any good grounds but just wouldn't die. Suspicions on Snow sound more rational, my vote leans that way.

And Cray's:

####lynch snowy###

I said I would likely waffle off, but looking at who thought that my vote was weird, seems like the same people who I feel are bandwagoning genny for reasons that are beyond me.

Plus people who I'm leaning village on, also find Snowy sketch.

I wonder if the wolf pack are trying to get us on genny, and trying to throw shade on me for going for Snowy.

Plus I like to keep my votes consistent. I'm willing to stay on Snowy since today didn't bring my attention closely elsewhere.

So Cray can get points for picking a Snowy lynch over Genny, but when Rabbott does it's sketch? What?




This post is getting really long so I'll take a break and

Lynch Snowy

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Haven't had a chance to read the thread, and won't until I'm home from work.

Lynch Snowy as per my comments last night.

Unless something majorly proving her innocence has arisen

 

[finnickthedog]

lynch snowy

For reasons stated by other people. I've got to go pretend to be a good student now.

 

[WildZoo]

Putting sketch on a typically village role.

Only part I'll disagree with really is this...
I've seen that be a wolf role at least 3 times. And trout isn't one to stick to closely to what is typical. I also wouldn't say that it looks like it's being used in a villager strategic way right now either. Could see it being a neutral/chaos ability too.

 

[allieh8607]

Ok coming in hot with some of my feels. Not gonna lie I absolutely hate walls of texts so skipped over those and I'm going to try and keep this short and sweet.

Finn- voted genny late in D1 lynch, was one of the first in the D2 lynch so villager points for that, however bragged about feels being right which typically seems wolfy to me

Pippy- based on role alone (asking mod questions) seems village to me, however comes across to me as trying to create arguments unnecessarily

Ceke- posts are for the most part highly distracting, has had multiple bouts of confusion this game which typically seem villager to me but I've seen wolves play dumb before and act confused like that

Snowy- Currently claiming vanilla and not trying very hard to change minds in this lynch; waffled off of genny in D1 vote, voted for me for what I think are stupid reasons: gave a list of 4 wolfy feels and voted for me, the last on the list. Also claimed I voted a throwaway vote for a player who hadn't checked in yet, but that's not what I did at all

LIS: currently reading villager to me, can give some villager credit for the genny lynch. Interactions with ceke and cray are distracting.

WZ: voted genny early on, on D2 waffled off of genny to snowy with ~1 hr left, however I think WZ would be a smarter wolf than that and she's currently voting snowy today. Nothing screaming wolf to me

Cyndia- have already stated my wolfy feels on her but willing to wait a bit after hearing about her conversation with STL

Raf- not many feels aside from annoyance for their reasons on lynching me ("inconsistent posts" which...no), has accused britizen for repeating reasons people have already stated. As an aside, this annoys me because there are only so many new feelings we can have on a person and at some point the only thing people are going to be able to say are "me too". I'm sure some of my feels here are repeats.

DVMD- contributing lots and giving good reads in my opinions, reads villager currently, voted genny late in the game yesterday but I did too kind of

Ski- was posting several times throughout the long D1 cycle without a lynch vote until late in the cycle and voted PBC. Comes across as wolfy to me, like being noncommittal and reserving vote for the end, weak reason for voting LOTF D2 ("forgot she was playing")....leans wolfy to me

Rabbott: weak reason for lynching finn D1 imo as several people lynched very early that round, not just Finn; however somewhat defended genny which I don't think a wolf would do

STL: rezzer which is villager to me; however his strategy of voting for people just to get more conversation going is slightly weird...I get it but also slightly comes across as fishing for more information. Is this a typical STL strategy nowadays?

People I don't have many reads on so I guess village/neutral for now:
LOTF
Cray- wordy posts and defensive D1 but reading villager for the most part
Britizen
PBC- for now can assume was rezzed villager but still keeping them in the back of my mind
BBC- late bandwagoner on genny with an unoriginal reason
3M
Kam

whew...is that everyone? too bad if it isn't lol

 

[allieh8607]

lynch snowy for the above reasons

 

[SkiOtter]

Is this a typical STL strategy nowadays?

does stl even ever have a strategy?

 

[WildZoo]

Pippy- based on role alone (asking mod questions) seems village to me, however comes across to me as trying to create arguments unnecessarily

This tickled me. @PippyPony just to make sure you see it 😉

(Pretty normal for her allie)

STL: rezzer which is villager to me; however his strategy of voting for people just to get more conversation going is slightly weird...I get it but also slightly comes across as fishing for more information. Is this a typical STL strategy nowadays?

And yeah that's typical for him too, especially early days. He has voted for me early in a couple games just to put pressure on me/get me talking (is the latter really necessary?), will do it with anyone who he feels like can be a slippery wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

does stl even ever have a strategy?

No it's all idiot savant, duh

 

[Crayola227]

lynch snowy

I started this bandwagon Day 1. I'll take responsibility. Let's see where it leads

Also, you only need to insult the intelligence of a player so many times in one page... at what point is that just wasting people's times as much as the words you don't like? Or is this more crap logic coming from me, to you people?

 

[britzen]

Still comfortable with my vote yesterday to

lynch ceke

Her reads are all over the place and she has contradicted herself on her genny feelz, like she's trying to re-write history to prove that she was more pro-lynch genny when she wasn't. Maybe a floundering wolf, maybe chaos, maybe the world's most distracting villager. Either way, I'm sticking to my lynch choice.

Ceke's top wolf candidates in the last three days have been:

1. genny and cray
2. genny, LIS, and me
3. LIS, DVM and me
4. STL and snowy (with a maybe rabbott and cray)
5. snowy and rabbot (with a maybe STL, cray, and LIS)
(Kam might have been a top contender here too? Kam was a top contender at some point)
6. snowy, rabbot and cyndia
7. snowy and cyndia (current)

(Forgive me if I've forgotten or confused a few... The thread is hella long at this point. I can go digging for the posts if needed.)

I find this much waffling bizarre. At this point ceke said she'll vote for whoever the top vote getter is between snowy and cyndia. Extra sketch points for settling on a bandwagon vote.

Most sketchy is the fact that she is misrepresenting her genny feelz after genny flipped wolf. Ceke's super adamant now that genny was a really obvious wolf and that she (ceke) would have voted that way had X Y or Z happened. However, she said she "wasn't sure on genny" on D1 (or maybe early D2?) and never included genny again as a top wolf candidate after waffling off of her on D1. Now ceke's throwing lots of shade on other people for not seeing genny as an obvious wolf. If genny was so obvious, why not vote for her? Or at least include her in your top potential wolf list?

 

[Cyndia]

Okay finally done, sorry it's pretty long. Rearranged some people based on d2 stuff.


Village:
12. SummerTheLynx – Have him solidly village bc of rezzing pbc (and no one has disputed that, so I believe he did it).

5. PrincessButterCup - Maker's Mark Whiskey – Also solidly village because of the STL claimed rez.

1. LetItSnow – like last game, your posts are all making sense to me. Which as I’ve said before, I find you logical as a wolf too and usually keep you neutral, but putting you in village bc d1 you backed off of pbc and switched to genny, putting her back in the lead. You also called out ceke when she switched off genny to britzen, asking if she was pulling a novice wolf move to bail out a fellow wolf, which I really like in retrospect. And contingency lynched genny for d2.

11. finnickthedog – Gave a wolf point bc mentioned d1 she understood the votes for genny but didn’t know if she agreed with them, so wasn’t convinved to join the bandwagon yet. Also has been posting more than normal, and never really gave a reason for it. But then gave her a village point for switching on to genny later on d1. Another village point since genny then voted for finn. Also a village point for voting genny early on d2.

7. DVMDream - Agreed with many of her posts so far. Voted genny, but was later on (#6). Have her leaning village off feels primarily.

6. Kam325 – Village point for mentioning how she wasn’t initially feeling genny but that the way she switched her vote at the literal last minute was really sketch, and how she wouldn’t announce who she was using an ability on if she was hoping to use it to clear herself. Then voted genny d2, but was a later voter.




Neutral/not sure:
14. WildZoo – third d1 vote on genny which gives her a village point. It was right after this that genny got pissed and made the first post that made her look sketch. Also one of the first votes on genny d2, but did waffle off of her later (when there was ~7 votes on her). Just based off some non-concrete info I got, I’m not 100% sure about her, so keeping her in neutral, but she is overall village leaning to me.

21. LadyOtheFarm – some of her posts have read as off, but I feel like it matches how I’ve seen her play as a village. Also she mistakenly thought AM was still alive, though she had been killed last night. I figure if she was part of the wolf convo she would have remembered that. So leaning village, but keeping her neutral.

10. Crayola227 – her posts drive me nuts. Honestly on my read through, I still wasn’t reading her posts very closely. Would be happy to lynch based just off that, since either its wolfy drivel, or its nonsense village stuff which isn’t helpful either. But keeping her neutral because part of me thinks a wolf pack would have yelled at her to shut up. She did tone it down after n1, and she ended up voting snowy instead of genny. Need to revisit based on how snowy flips.

22. britzen – made a big post of reads and I agreed with many, but most points had already been brought up. People argued about whether or not she was seeming too good for her noob status, and I honestly didn’t see her as playing much better than normal. But didn’t pay a lot of attention to her last game. So keeping her neutral to keep an eye on her. Also she posted more reads d2, also agreed with most of her points.

23. PippyPony – Wolf point because- first to call out PBC’s lynch reasoning d1 as sketch, and on d1 you also called out LIS’s switch to genny as weird to you. But then village point because you called out the waffles off of genny as feeling weird. Half a village point for seconding STL’s comment on genny just singling AM and elaborating on that. And half a village point for calling out why genny chose to use a blocking ability on a player she felt was village. She also asked 2 mod questions – need to revisit if she flips wolf.

2. TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo – Voted genny d2, but was very late (like ~#7). Gave lots of reads d2, I sorta skimmed since it was really long, but most of it looked reasonable to me. Leaning slightly village, but keeping her in neutral.

24. mmmdreamerz – Voted pbc d1. Made one post of reads, but in it you quoted two of my posts and said I twice used the same logic to almost vote her, but I didn’t? One of the posts was a d1 vote about how I wasn’t voting her since she was already on the board, and the second was about how I wanted to vote her based on her reactions. Aside from that I did agree with some of the other points 3m brought up. Overall, I think I need more from you before I can make a call.

18. raf2769 – Posted reads on a few people (jil, allie, ceke, tart). Two have now flipped village, but the other two are high on my sketch list so I’ll give her half a village point for that. Gave a village point for calling out ceke on grasping at staws for lynch. Overall need to see more posts from you though.


Wolf leans:
8. SkiOtter – half a wolfy point bc d1 she mentioned genny was overdefensive but that she understood that. She did later vote pbc which pushed her further into the lead, but not giving any points on that since she waited until after pbc made her weak defense and voted bc of that (which I agreed with at the time). Another wolf point because she again said that she wasn’t feeling the genny lynch on d2 when she had like 7 votes on her.

17. allieh8607 – wolf point because she caused the tie between pbc and genny d1 by voting pbc. Was going to give a village point because she later acknowledged that she was probably going to change off of pbc to choose someone who hadn’t signed in, which would have put genny in the lead at the time, but she never actually did that. She did vote genny d2, but she was ~#6 so getting into the territory of when wolves might be piling onto a sure loss of a fellow wolf, so keeping allie as wolf leaning.

3. SnowshoeDog143 – d1 first lynch vote on genny ‘because she was a good wolf last game’. Wolfy point because she switched off genny onto dubz once genny was in the lead with 4 votes. Half a wolfy point for saying gennys ability could be village. Also gave half a village point for saying that she didn’t think I would have hedged about genny, and would have put a vote down for genny if I was a wolf. Kinda a little conflicted on her bc I’m surprised genny was relying so heavily on her vouching for her, so that actually makes her lean village in my eyes, but the stuff wz said about how her revealing genny’s role went down made sense to me and makes her lean wolf, so I’d like to crack this egg.

4. rabbott1971 – mentioned crayola has been playing village (making note to revisit this if cray flips wolf). Also half wolf point because she said that genny’s last minute switch was smart gameplay to save herself. Half wolf point bc brought it up again d2 that the genny suspicions didn’t have good grounds d1 and just didn’t die, and that snowy suspicions were more rational.

9. Ceke2002 – lynched genny and brought her back to the lead d1, so had that as village. But then flip flopped again off her, so wolf point. And overnight she mentioned again wasn’t sure on genny. Moved her neutral after she revealed her ability of putting those gif messages out, I view that as a pretty villager role. But a lot of her logic has just been really flawed and she’s been harping on pretty insignicant things to formulate her lynch votes, so don’t feel great about that. Also she then later said she was tequila and that people get lost and confused when they drink me? Confused if that was mod flair or hinting at a dif ability, in which case she needs to go. Overall she’s just too confusing to me/distracting.

 

[Cyndia]

The tl;dr is that I have snowy, ceke, allie/rabbott, and ski as my list of most to least wolf feels.

So I'm going to lynch snowy for today.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

I am still in catch up mode, but I keep seeing people saying me and PbC are clear. Remember later in game that me and PBC are both prime conversion targets. By everyone saying that me and her are clear, you are pushing their hand to convert one of the two of us (and I am hoping this post pushes back against that)

 

[britzen]

Also want to go back and look at people who waffled off of genny or were maybe too defensive of her (this post is partly a note to self, but I'll throw the brief thoughts out to everybody):

Wafflers:
Snowy: Not sure I feel great about the snowy vote... I can see the sketch, but I feel like the snowy/genny interactions wouldn't have gone down the way they did if they'd both been wolves.
Cyndia: As others mentioned, two days running of "I'm feeling genny as a wolf" and then no follow through seems sketch
WZ: I don't remember what her reasons were for waffling (note to self to go back and look). Followed up the D2 genny vote with a "I was right but waffled... oh no! I should have followed through!" comment that struck me as a little sketch maybe - like somebody trying to deflect suspicion.

Defenders:
Cray: Said genny got bandwagon'ed for no real reason. (Also, so very very quiet again today - outside of normal game play.)
Rabbot: Said there were "never any good grounds" for lynching genny.

I think it's fair to say genny looked at least a little wolfy, even for players who decided to vote other ways. So completely not seeing any reason for the votes seems sketch.

 

[Animal Midwife]

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D3 We Got Big Bird Drunk? Unofficial Lynch Tally

Kam () -
Snowy (13) - raf, WZ, Ceke, DVMD, LotF, rabbott, 3m, PBC, Fern, finn, allieh, Crayola, Cyndia
Cyndia (3) - Pippy, LIS, Kam
Allie (1) - Snowy
Ceke (2) - Ski, britzen

19/20 accounted for.

1 hour remaining!

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[Melchizedek]

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D3 We Got Big Bird Drunk? Unofficial Lynch Tally

Kam () -
Snowy (13) - raf, WZ, Ceke, DVMD, LotF, rabbott, 3m, PBC, Fern, finn, allieh, Crayola, Cyndia
Cyndia (3) - Pippy, LIS, Kam
Allie (1) - Snowy
Ceke (2) - Ski, britzen

19/20 accounted for.

1 hour remaining!

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goddAMmit ninja'd again

 

[WildZoo]

WZ: I don't remember what her reasons were for waffling (note to self to go back and look). Followed up the D2 genny vote with a "I was right but waffled... oh no! I should have followed through!" comment that struck me as a little sketch maybe - like somebody trying to deflect suspicion.

My reason for waffling was I made the idiot mistake of PMing her. Plus I'm more inclined to give a little benefit of the doubt to power roles early on, jailer is more often a village role (didn't realize that was her role last game too), and PBC's post about how she acted as a wolf last game swayed me.
And that comment was me literally being frustrated because I tend to doggedly stick to my incorrect lynches and waffle off my correct ones at least a few times a game

I am still in catch up mode, but I keep seeing people saying me and PbC are clear. Remember later in game that me and PBC are both prime conversion targets. By everyone saying that me and her are clear, you are pushing their hand to convert one of the two of us (and I am hoping this post pushes back against that)

Fine, if I'm still alive a few cycles before endgame I'll lynch you just to be sure. Would that make you happy? 😉

 

[britzen]

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D3 We Got Big Bird Drunk? Unofficial Lynch Tally

Kam () -
Snowy (13) - raf, WZ, Ceke, DVMD, LotF, rabbott, 3m, PBC, Fern, finn, allieh, Crayola, Cyndia
Cyndia (3) - Pippy, LIS, Kam
Allie (1) - Snowy
Ceke (2) - Ski, britzen

19/20 accounted for.

1 hour remaining!

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Holy Cow, didn't realize the votes were that lopsided!

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Okay finally done, sorry it's pretty long. Rearranged some people based on d2 stuff.


Village:
12. SummerTheLynx – Have him solidly village bc of rezzing pbc (and no one has disputed that, so I believe he did it).

5. PrincessButterCup - Maker's Mark Whiskey – Also solidly village because of the STL claimed rez.

1. LetItSnow – like last game, your posts are all making sense to me. Which as I’ve said before, I find you logical as a wolf too and usually keep you neutral, but putting you in village bc d1 you backed off of pbc and switched to genny, putting her back in the lead. You also called out ceke when she switched off genny to britzen, asking if she was pulling a novice wolf move to bail out a fellow wolf, which I really like in retrospect. And contingency lynched genny for d2.

11. finnickthedog – Gave a wolf point bc mentioned d1 she understood the votes for genny but didn’t know if she agreed with them, so wasn’t convinved to join the bandwagon yet. Also has been posting more than normal, and never really gave a reason for it. But then gave her a village point for switching on to genny later on d1. Another village point since genny then voted for finn. Also a village point for voting genny early on d2.

7. DVMDream - Agreed with many of her posts so far. Voted genny, but was later on (#6). Have her leaning village off feels primarily.

6. Kam325 – Village point for mentioning how she wasn’t initially feeling genny but that the way she switched her vote at the literal last minute was really sketch, and how she wouldn’t announce who she was using an ability on if she was hoping to use it to clear herself. Then voted genny d2, but was a later voter.




Neutral/not sure:
14. WildZoo – third d1 vote on genny which gives her a village point. It was right after this that genny got pissed and made the first post that made her look sketch. Also one of the first votes on genny d2, but did waffle off of her later (when there was ~7 votes on her). Just based off some non-concrete info I got, I’m not 100% sure about her, so keeping her in neutral, but she is overall village leaning to me.

21. LadyOtheFarm – some of her posts have read as off, but I feel like it matches how I’ve seen her play as a village. Also she mistakenly thought AM was still alive, though she had been killed last night. I figure if she was part of the wolf convo she would have remembered that. So leaning village, but keeping her neutral.

10. Crayola227 – her posts drive me nuts. Honestly on my read through, I still wasn’t reading her posts very closely. Would be happy to lynch based just off that, since either its wolfy drivel, or its nonsense village stuff which isn’t helpful either. But keeping her neutral because part of me thinks a wolf pack would have yelled at her to shut up. She did tone it down after n1, and she ended up voting snowy instead of genny. Need to revisit based on how snowy flips.

22. britzen – made a big post of reads and I agreed with many, but most points had already been brought up. People argued about whether or not she was seeming too good for her noob status, and I honestly didn’t see her as playing much better than normal. But didn’t pay a lot of attention to her last game. So keeping her neutral to keep an eye on her. Also she posted more reads d2, also agreed with most of her points.

23. PippyPony – Wolf point because- first to call out PBC’s lynch reasoning d1 as sketch, and on d1 you also called out LIS’s switch to genny as weird to you. But then village point because you called out the waffles off of genny as feeling weird. Half a village point for seconding STL’s comment on genny just singling AM and elaborating on that. And half a village point for calling out why genny chose to use a blocking ability on a player she felt was village. She also asked 2 mod questions – need to revisit if she flips wolf.

2. TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo – Voted genny d2, but was very late (like ~#7). Gave lots of reads d2, I sorta skimmed since it was really long, but most of it looked reasonable to me. Leaning slightly village, but keeping her in neutral.

24. mmmdreamerz – Voted pbc d1. Made one post of reads, but in it you quoted two of my posts and said I twice used the same logic to almost vote her, but I didn’t? One of the posts was a d1 vote about how I wasn’t voting her since she was already on the board, and the second was about how I wanted to vote her based on her reactions. Aside from that I did agree with some of the other points 3m brought up. Overall, I think I need more from you before I can make a call.

18. raf2769 – Posted reads on a few people (jil, allie, ceke, tart). Two have now flipped village, but the other two are high on my sketch list so I’ll give her half a village point for that. Gave a village point for calling out ceke on grasping at staws for lynch. Overall need to see more posts from you though.


Wolf leans:
8. SkiOtter – half a wolfy point bc d1 she mentioned genny was overdefensive but that she understood that. She did later vote pbc which pushed her further into the lead, but not giving any points on that since she waited until after pbc made her weak defense and voted bc of that (which I agreed with at the time). Another wolf point because she again said that she wasn’t feeling the genny lynch on d2 when she had like 7 votes on her.

17. allieh8607 – wolf point because she caused the tie between pbc and genny d1 by voting pbc. Was going to give a village point because she later acknowledged that she was probably going to change off of pbc to choose someone who hadn’t signed in, which would have put genny in the lead at the time, but she never actually did that. She did vote genny d2, but she was ~#6 so getting into the territory of when wolves might be piling onto a sure loss of a fellow wolf, so keeping allie as wolf leaning.

3. SnowshoeDog143 – d1 first lynch vote on genny ‘because she was a good wolf last game’. Wolfy point because she switched off genny onto dubz once genny was in the lead with 4 votes. Half a wolfy point for saying gennys ability could be village. Also gave half a village point for saying that she didn’t think I would have hedged about genny, and would have put a vote down for genny if I was a wolf. Kinda a little conflicted on her bc I’m surprised genny was relying so heavily on her vouching for her, so that actually makes her lean village in my eyes, but the stuff wz said about how her revealing genny’s role went down made sense to me and makes her lean wolf, so I’d like to crack this egg.

4. rabbott1971 – mentioned crayola has been playing village (making note to revisit this if cray flips wolf). Also half wolf point because she said that genny’s last minute switch was smart gameplay to save herself. Half wolf point bc brought it up again d2 that the genny suspicions didn’t have good grounds d1 and just didn’t die, and that snowy suspicions were more rational.

9. Ceke2002 – lynched genny and brought her back to the lead d1, so had that as village. But then flip flopped again off her, so wolf point. And overnight she mentioned again wasn’t sure on genny. Moved her neutral after she revealed her ability of putting those gif messages out, I view that as a pretty villager role. But a lot of her logic has just been really flawed and she’s been harping on pretty insignicant things to formulate her lynch votes, so don’t feel great about that. Also she then later said she was tequila and that people get lost and confused when they drink me? Confused if that was mod flair or hinting at a dif ability, in which case she needs to go. Overall she’s just too confusing to me/distracting.

Er.... why would that make STL and PBCsolid village? Wolves can rez, villagers can rez, villages Rez back as wolves sometimes.