UNTHSC/TCOM Discussion thread 2008-2009

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I thought they called people with acceptance offers once a decision is made? 😕

Yes, I thought so too. I think there are a few other OOS acceptances in here before the break started and they got a call and a status change shortly after. Maybe malalurka didn't have time to post until now.
 
Yes, I thought so too. I think there are a few other OOS acceptances in here before the break started and they got a call and a status change shortly after. Maybe malalurka didn't have time to post until now.

Yes they do call you when you get accepted. I missed a call from TCOM on Dec. 19th, which I figured might be an acceptance. I then checked online and had a status saying: "Congratulations! You have been admitted. A letter of acceptance has been mailed to you." They changed the status on the day I got admitted since I had been checking it pretty much every day before that. Good luck to those of you still waiting! :luck:
 
Hey, congrats on the acceptance! Will you be matching on Feb 1st?

I've been slacking lately and haven't been able to compile things from the last thread but I might do it in a bout of procrastination this weekend.
 
I interviewed just before Thanksgiving (two days before). They told the in-state applicants on my interview day that they would not be hearing until February, and that as an OOSer I would not hear until at least mid-late January. I can handle a couple more weeks of waiting... as long as the news is good.
 
Hey, congrats on the acceptance! Will you be matching on Feb 1st?

Thanks! Yeah, I'm crossing my fingers for the match. San Antonio is my #1 choice (it's the closer of the two to Austin), but I sure as hell wouldn't mind going to TCOM.
 
I interviewed just before Thanksgiving (two days before). They told the in-state applicants on my interview day that they would not be hearing until February, and that as an OOSer I would not hear until at least mid-late January. I can handle a couple more weeks of waiting... as long as the news is good.

Yeah, I think this was also confirmed by a few others, including megan. I guess it'll be a big day come Feb 1st.

Thanks! Yeah, I'm crossing my fingers for the match. San Antonio is my #1 choice (it's the closer of the two to Austin), but I sure as hell wouldn't mind going to TCOM.

Yeah, I have the same desire to return to Austin too. I hear a lot of TCOM students rotate in Brackenridge, so I would love to go back. Good luck on the match!
 
congrats on the acceptance ibleedorange! so you were the missing SDNer that got accepted 😛 good luck on the match!

just curious, does anyone know the daily/weekly schedule for TCOM first years? i've just been daydreaming about what type of schedule i'd have as a med student.
 
yeah i looked at those sites too but didn't find an actual schedule. UT-Houston gives you access to their entire schedule, which is helpful for daydreaming. oh well....a few more weeks to go til match 😱
 
Nice find! I should've looked a little harder, but then it reminds me that I should be studying right now 🙁

It's also a shame that the word doc is huge because you can't upload it to the thread. I might try translating it to Excel to it can be smaller and uploadable.
 
oh wow thanks, ibleedorange! that's exactly what i was talking about. well it looks like TCOM has about 8am-4/5pm for most days...oh how ironic that we're all dying to get accepted into that stress 😛

and GO STUDY Flushot!
 
Sorry for the late reply - was sick last week (over New Year's Eve and New Year's, yay! :bang: ). And uh, thanks for the congratulations Teacher & Flu...again. 😛 I interviewed at TCOM on October 30th.


How did you like Texas Tech? How did it compare to TCOM? I am interviewing there in Jan, so if you have any info about what the interview, etc. was like let me know.

Hope I'm not too late with this for you to see this in time, but Texas Tech was a pretty nice place as well. I believe their main medical education / lecture building is new or has had new additions to it, so it looked nice. Lunch was not fancy but still was decent, and we got to talk to some students over it. The interviews were fairly laid back - no freaky questions that I can remember getting, mainly focused on my records and experiences like every other school had done. My first interviewer was a PhD, while my second was an MD (OB/GYN). I think only one, the MD, had my full file, but I could be imagining that.

I wouldn't really stress about it too much if you know yourself and why you want to go into medicine. It was my first time in Lubbock, so I was expecting... nothing other there. 😱 Which, coming from Houston, comparatively one could call it that, but there's a fair bit you can drive around, but a loop around the city makes any area quickly accessible (with no traffic either?!) Their clinical rotation years are spread out amongst Lubbock, Odessa-Midland, and Amarillo, and I think you choose your preferences for which location before starting classes as a 1st year. Tech was also the only place I took advantage of staying the night with a current (1st-year) student, so I was able to glean more info from him. I even got to sit in one of his classes since it started an hour before the interview agenda did... 😳 I also found out, first from that student since he was in the program, that they have a 4-year MD/MBA program among other combined things. I was considering more a MD/MPH first, but if I got into Tech, getting an MBA as well within 4 years sounds intriguing considering all the fun issues everyone faces in health care and the economy in general. All in all, Tech seemed like a nice school as well.
 
Sorry for the late reply - was sick last week (over New Year's Eve and New Year's, yay! :bang: ). And uh, thanks for the congratulations Teacher & Flu...again. 😛 I interviewed at TCOM on October 30th.

Oh right! I remember your post a long time ago :laugh: Sorry for forgetting.

And yeah I should be studying but I think I'm good haha

On the note of that schedule, that is mighty hardcore. Does anyone notice that they get "Cell Science" out of the way before Anatomy? It's a strange looking curriculum that I've never seen before. Maybe I'm not reading it right.
 
On the note of that schedule, that is mighty hardcore. Does anyone notice that they get "Cell Science" out of the way before Anatomy? It's a strange looking curriculum that I've never seen before. Maybe I'm not reading it right.
i think you are reading it correctly. i hate to admit it, but i never really paid attention too closely to curriculum, so i'm not all too sure about the general order of classes. i think i'd rather get cell science out of the way first though while most of us are still fresh from bio classes and summer break, and then move into the interesting stuff. *shrugs* just my opinion based on the little i know about this whole curriculum thing.
 
I kind of like the approach too. I was just surprised to see a new type of curriculum. What's weird is that Cell Science seems to return near the end of the semester so it's never completely out of the way.

Just like with AZCOM and CCOM, they seem to make up their own curriculum as opposed to just systems based or what have you. It sounds more flexible and subject to change, which I'm open to.
 
Does anyone know about whether the school offers scholarships and if so when do we find out whether we will receive one?
 
Live, did you check out that scholarship link they were teasing us with on the status update page? That might be a good source. That student intranet site probably has a lot of links.

In last year's thread, TCOM hosted an event in March as a pre-welcome for the incoming class and it gave you a chance to talk to some faculty and administrators. If you can make it down there that week, I'm sure you could find out a lot more.

Ugh, I might just pass the time and read back when they had their match day. It was eerily quiet on that thread as well; only about 10 posts?
 
and the days drag on....and on...🙁
 
Yeah, tell me about it...they haven't even changed the status on the UNT page. I remember reading last year that they changed to "Wait until the match day" or something to that effect. I think that might happen a week from now when the deadline is up.
 
yeah i was wondering when they would change the statuses as well. so much more waiting to do.
 
I was on campus at TCOM today (I live near campus) and I saw an interview group walking around (at least they looked like one, complete with red folders). I was wondering if anyone knew how long TCOM continued to conduct interviews?
 
I was on campus at TCOM today (I live near campus) and I saw an interview group walking around (at least they looked like one, complete with red folders). I was wondering if anyone knew how long TCOM continued to conduct interviews?


hmm probably was not an interview groups. I was told that interviews ended December 12, 2008.
 
I was on campus at TCOM today (I live near campus) and I saw an interview group walking around (at least they looked like one, complete with red folders). I was wondering if anyone knew how long TCOM continued to conduct interviews?

It could be a PA group or one for the PhD program. I believe both require interviews, but most of the time, they're more for the applicant to see the campus rather than for selling oneself. I could be wrong, but I think their PA does interview, so that's probably that group.

I can't imagine them doing more interviews especially like megan said, they said they were done. Then again, in the RoT thread, people had interviews this week and some into next, so maybe they'll only really stop on Jan 15th when everyone has to put in their match choices.
 
I would be really surprised if people really had DO interviews.....the adcoms told me in an e-mail the absolutely last day to interview was Dec. 12th when I was panicking before I was invited to interview. Then I was told when scheduling my interview on the phone that the last week of interviews was the week of Dec. 8th, and AT my interview they told us that we were the last week of interviews being conducted.....it would kind of upset me if they were truly interviewing still.....sorry for the angry venting, I am just anxious to know my fate 😳
 
I would be really surprised if people really had DO interviews.....the adcoms told me in an e-mail the absolutely last day to interview was Dec. 12th when I was panicking before I was invited to interview. Then I was told when scheduling my interview on the phone that the last week of interviews was the week of Dec. 8th, and AT my interview they told us that we were the last week of interviews being conducted.....it would kind of upset me if they were truly interviewing still.....sorry for the angry venting, I am just anxious to know my fate 😳

They are interviewing for the PA program.
As for the schedule ibleedorange posted, i dont know how you got a hold of it, because its supposed to be password protected, but yes that is the official tcom c/o 2012 fall semester schedule. (im c/o 2011). while the schedule is quite intimidating, you should also take a quick second to leard how to read it.
White boxes are lecture and non mandatory attendance (the lectures are recorded and can be listened to later) though if attendance drops too much, they stop recordings without warning.
Yellow boxes are CILs, clinical integrated lectures, and attendance is mandatory. usually a quiz follows on these days.
Grey is omm attendance mandatory (2 hours of absences allowed per semester)
Teal/light blue is a DSA, directed self assesment. This is not class time, it is individual study time. you have to do readings on your own, etc. sometimes they are tied in to a lecture (especially first year) and sometimes it is a standalone topic. the latter obviously requires more of an effort.
Orange is ethics, mandatory
light bueish/purplish is clinical medicine, attendance mandatory.
Red is examinations of any sort.
Green is ROME, and is only class time if you applied and got accepted to the rural medicine program, everyone else is free time.
Brown is pre exam review sessions and are held less often as the year go on and are non existent second year.
Dark green is a BS course called medical informatics, its pass/fail and a waste of time.

So while the schedule looks like 8-5 everyday, there is some times you wont actually be in class and can study where ever which helps.
I have attached the year 1 booklist for c/o 2012.

I sure hope you guys who have been accepted know what you have gotten yourselves into. j/k

best of luck to all. its hard work, but very rewarding.
 

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thanks so much fergustsi! that is really helpful. now i'm definitely going to go back to take a look at it and take into account the colors. so how did you feel about free time first year (if you had any). i guess the common question is...did you have a life? someone told me if you study four hours everyday then you're good, but i just wanted to hear different opinions.

and do you really use all of those books in the book list? i think i remember my student ambassador saying something about the books but i don't remember what....

thanks a bunch, again!
 
I was on campus at TCOM today (I live near campus) and I saw an interview group walking around (at least they looked like one, complete with red folders). I was wondering if anyone knew how long TCOM continued to conduct interviews?

Actually yesterday was the Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences orientation, so maybe thats who you saw. I have not seen any TCOM interviewees on campus since early December. Are they really done with interviews already? ~kim
 
oh ok, that really clears things up then about that group i saw.

ooh and thanks for the awesome info on the schedules fergustsi!
 
First off, huge thanks for fergustsi for posting the book list and a nice explanation of the block schedule! I was wondering what that DSA was so it's nice to have designated study time. It helps induce that guilt of doing something productive during the day.

There's some interesting insight into the school in this chat last March: http://www.hsc.unt.edu/organizations/tcom2012/Documents/chat1.doc

Hey thanks for this chat; I'm glad it clears up some stuff I was curious about like that refresher. I didn't realize that we had to pay for that 🙁

I also remember Dr. Ziller in the chat that was given for the graduate program. I still have a transcript from that chat but it's probably not useful anymore.

Not wanting to steal your moves ibleedoj but I'm going to upload the chat log that you posted so others can just go to the attachment link outside of the thread. Thanks again for bringing it here.
 
Not wanting to steal your moves ibleedoj but I'm going to upload the chat log that you posted so others can just go to the attachment link outside of the thread. Thanks again for bringing it here.

No, thank you 🙂 I didn't know about that nifty feature. Does anyone remember anything about TCOM building a new gym? Maybe I'm confusing it with San Antonio.
 
Thanks for clarifying the schedule.

Also, did anybody else notice that Feb 1st is a Sunday? I am hoping that they will still post the match results regardless.
 
thanks so much fergustsi! that is really helpful. now i'm definitely going to go back to take a look at it and take into account the colors. so how did you feel about free time first year (if you had any). i guess the common question is...did you have a life? someone told me if you study four hours everyday then you're good, but i just wanted to hear different opinions.

and do you really use all of those books in the book list? i think i remember my student ambassador saying something about the books but i don't remember what....

thanks a bunch, again!

will you have a life...that is probably the most popular question to ask. the answer unfortunately is not set in stone. it depends on you. if you want to be a gunner and #1 in your class then no, you wont have a life. the people at the top of our class basically are extremely disciplined and can be seen studying almost exclusively at all times of the day (we have probably about 35-40 people whose cumulative gpa right is above 93% or so)if you wanna be middle of the pack or ranking isnt that important to you, then 4 hours a day is plenty. you can probably skate by on even less. but just remember, its not just about passing the classes (of which about 10% of your class will fail 1st year) its also about learning because come second year, when youre prepping for the comlex and usmle, that is when itll make a difference between refreshing your memory and having to learn something new because you initially just memorized it.

the books. i honestly used every single book i bought EXCEPT two or three. those are, patient centered interviewing. youll get a few ppts and lectures about this and have several role playing exercises so its really a useless read. Osteopathic principles in practice and Foundations of Osteopathic medicine. both of these books will have assigned readings from it, both books are very dry and quite large. i read one two page assignment out of one of those books. oh, i just remember the pharma book sucks. its just bad. buy something else. BRS pharma, Lippincott illustrated pharma (top choice probably). all the physiology books are excellent except gi phys which is mediocre. i would buy thieme anatomy series (3 books) vs netters. its a heck lot more expensive but the difference is amazing (computer drawn images vs hand drawn). go to a store and look at the difference between those anatomy books.
Sadly, the booklist is incomplete. there are other books which arent required but you basically need to have.
First Aid for USMLE step 1 current edition (2009 just came out)
Kimberly manual of omm techniques
Robbins review of pathology (robbins pathology question book is a MUST HAVE)
Pocket robbins pathology (referred to as baby robbins is a great condensed version of big robbins and great for reviewing)
These last two books you will use sporadically at first and more and more as you go on, until itll basically be your sole source in second year.

BRS review series books are good and can help you point out what is really a must know and they make them for all subjects. anatomy, physiology, etc.

So now that i have scared you with even more books. the good news is you dont need them all at the same time.
half the books you wont use until second semester so you can use your second financial aid disbursement to cover that.
also, first years usually sell their used books to incoming class for about half price. act fast, if you see someone selling them though, because the supply wont be as great as the demand.

And lastly, you dont need to buy the books. i know some people who bought just the anatomy book and nothing else. they studied of ppt and their additional notes and they did fine. for my case, i find ppts to succint and need more detail in order to make things stick. i cant just memorize a bunch of slides, so hence why i read the books too. youll see what works for you, it took me all of first semester to find my groove and realize i needed to do the readings.

As for me, I found time to have a life in between all of this. found my girlfriend in school the first week in classes and are still dating. several people have gotten engaged, a few married, some kids born, several inter med school relationships started/ended and yes even some unfortunate divorces. Youll have plenty of opportunites to go out drinking and partying (responsibly of course which is only after exams and in between course changes). youll have a blast. TCOM is a great school with a real family attitude. I love it here, but i also cant wait to be booted out to hospital rotations in 5 months
😛

One more note, at first, time seems to drag on and it seems like youll never end. but take things one week at a time and before you know it your first semester/year/second year are over. it really feels like i just got here just a few months ago and not 18.

Congrats again to all joining our family, and to those who havent heard or are wait listed, keep up your faith. My friend got waitlisted and got the call for a spot 12 days before the start of orientation. so late acceptance calls do happen.

Feel free to respond with any other questions or concerns you guys might have and ill try to answer them as best as i can.
 
No, thank you 🙂 I didn't know about that nifty feature. Does anyone remember anything about TCOM building a new gym? Maybe I'm confusing it with San Antonio.


TCOM will have a brand new supposed state of the art gym in the new medical school building which is under construction and which will suposedly be done by the time you guys arrive (though i doubt it).
The new building is located on camp bowie and just west of the EAD building (the building you interviewed at and where we currently hold classes)

It used to be a hospital which got demolished last year sometime.
its supposed to be a big beautiful building, theyve shown us plans, but again, construction seems slow, so we'll see if youll have to wait to second semester or second year to move in there. there is a gym currently on campus (free due to student fees), though smaller than the one planned in the new building.
 
there were a group of students who were on interview/tours who sat in on one of our classroom sessions once and were actually asked (somehwat unfairly) to join in and participate, and i was wondering if any those people were here. it was a group of 5 or 6 i think, we were in pulmonary at the time so the cases/questions were lung related and the professor was Dr. Dubin a tall bald imposing man who is also or assistant dean. this would have been back in late september to midlate october.


anyways, i just wanted to get your impression on being put on the spot like that, and to see if youd like to share with others here your experience with it.
 
there were a group of students who were on interview/tours who sat in on one of our classroom sessions once and were actually asked (somehwat unfairly) to join in and participate, and i was wondering if any those people were here. it was a group of 5 or 6 i think, we were in pulmonary at the time so the cases/questions were lung related and the professor was Dr. Dubin a tall bald imposing man who is also or assistant dean. this would have been back in late september to midlate october.


anyways, i just wanted to get your impression on being put on the spot like that, and to see if youd like to share with others here your experience with it.

Hello fergustsi! I am one of the interviewees who was "put on the spot" by Dr. Dubin in November. Ya'll were doing case studies on GI patients.....explosive diarrhea and such. There were three of us. Dr. Dubin asked each of us a question relevant to the topic. I was cool with it because I'm a nurse, but the little undergrad boy that was with us was nervous. Not to worry though, because the med students on the back row gave him the answer! 🙂 It really was a great experience to see ya'll in learning-action!

I know how tough Dr. Dubin is, since I'm a Med-Sci Master's student there. I really appreciate his passion for student learning. I would be honored to learn from him in the future (if TCOM lets me in!).

Thanks for all your info,
Mandy
 
ibleedorange, thanks for the chat. i never knew about the PDA 😕 oh well, i'll worry about it when i have to.

fergustsi, thanks for all of that great info. i'm relieved i don't have to buy the books just yet and that so far it seems most of the people i've met have had a life 😛 one of my student ambassadors is actually engaged and pregnant and she also spoke about her friend who's still in a long distance relationship (i've been in one forever). so there's hope for my sanity 😀

good luck on the next 5 months and your step I's! i'll envy you when you're doing rotations.
 
Thanks for clarifying the schedule.

Also, did anybody else notice that Feb 1st is a Sunday? I am hoping that they will still post the match results regardless.

i forgot to mention, i did notice that Feb 1st is a Sunday as well. i wonder how that's going to work...any idea?
 
Thanks for the great breakdown fergustsi. I'll definitely come back to this page, if all goes well. I think we'll have a lot more questions after match since most of us are just kind of passing the days away until then.

Speaking of the match, I'm hoping they petition TMDSAS and release them early like they did on Nov 15th. Remember? People were hearing as early as Nov 13th at night.
 
Since Fergustsi brought it up...I'd like to add my two cents about studying. I really felt like I had to study more in 1st year than in 2nd year. It might be because I enjoy the material more this year and don't have to force feed it to myself. Others feel exactly the opposite. We have friends who study for hours and hours a day and only get one or two points more on exams. So it is really subjective. Interestingly, our class is known for it's gunners and had amazing stats the first year but we have seen a steady decline in class averages. That said it's not a sprint it's a marathon. Don't lose sight of the goal and you will be fine. There will be setbacks but if you keep moving forward you will, in the end, be a doctor.
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Thanks for stopping by snowkhat. It's cool to see some current TCOM people come back to this thread again. We had a few a couple of pages back but I guess they're back to studying.

I have a question though: do you notice that the class averages are slipping because the students have families? I have a med student friend in AZCOM this year (where I'm doing my SMP) and he remarks on the population of the class that are married and/or have children but also how many just study to learn and/or survive rather than make top ten.

I noticed a lot of students from last year's thread had families too. It's cool that many of them find a way, because it sounds amazing to me for anyone to balance the two.
 
Yeah, I noticed it when I was checking my status but I haven't had time to comment on it.

From the FAQ, it seems that the major reason they are doing this is to secure rotation spots for additional students. I'm going to go on the assumption that the DO students are taken care of, from the answer they gave on why not just increase the size of the DO class.

That reason is pretty weak in itself; they're implying that osteopathic hospital closures are a major push for the parallel program. What, can DO students only rotate there or something? Something seems wrong with these answers.

It seems they're dying for an affiliated hospital, since, and I'm quoting them:
."Many hospitals prefer to partner with a medical school that grants the MD degree. As other medical schools in Texas grow, it becomes even more challenging to retain and identify high quality clinical opportunities for our students to support our growth goals.".

What concerns me is also is the future of the DO program. All they can say is that they're committed to maintaining the strength of the program, but that's a pretty empty statement.


I don't know why I feel so rubbed the wrong way when I read more into this. It feels like they're doing this for all of the wrong reasons; to claim that growth for more PCP is like this shield that everyone has to back away from. I know they want to grow, but to claim that this is the ultimate goal? What about fixing the issues that plague primary care in the first place? I know one school can't do much, but still, they act like this is the best solution.

I'm interested to see them taking this to the next level, but does anyone feel the same way as I do? Do any of you feel there is more to this story that might make the whole idea dubious, at least in terms of rationale? Furthermore, I wonder what the AOA thinks of this; they probably won't be happy with it.
 
I hate to say it, but I kind of hope that combined DO/MD programs become the standard. Professionally, there isn't much of a gap between the two (or there shouldn't be) and I think that this type of move is a natural outgrowth of that. If the majority of schools had both degrees, then the residency programs could be combined and it would put an end to the eternal "who's better" debate. One set of standards, one governing body, etc.

And, not that they mean everything, but having both degrees hasn't hurt Michigan State in the rankings... (I know, lame, but true.)

I guess I see it as a growth opportunity, not as TCOM selling out.
 
Well, that's the thing: I agree that this is a move in the right direction. If people see more DO schools offer both degrees but the students end up having the same classes (which TCOM would probably do), it will be clear that there is no major difference between the two degrees anymore. It'll be a step closer to unifying the profession rather than having two governing bodies like you said, fighting to keep their political power at the cost of the profession's progression.

My concerns are with the reasons they gave. Maybe adding an MD degree was really the only way and there's a lot I don't know, but it seems that there's more to it that we all don't know.
 
Well, that and I'm going off of information that they will tell the general public. I'm sure the students and faculty get more insight, but even then, they will probably withhold some information for timing purposes.

I think I went a little overboard when I first saw it and I'll admit I got a little hasty again when I saw that FAQ that was more or less disappointing, but I think we can talk about what this means for the school realistically. It'll be years before anything is implemented so nothing to worry about now.
 
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