WWedding at the End of the WWorld: Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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Well now there are more votes for you to deal with.

But for another Dibby Dubz point, I'll tell you the tally

Seems like a fair trade

 

[supershorty]

Unofficial D2 creative title here tally

Mel (1) - alley
Spooky ghost (1) - Mel
Sloth (2) - genny, cubs
cubs (1) - Dina

4/12 voting
Missing: people whose names aren't on the list already and one person who is on the list, but hasn't placed an actual vote.

Vote closes tomorrow at 9pm CST (bolded scary hours left here).

 

[supershorty]

Point plz.

 

[WildZoo]

Point plz.

Point awarded!

 

[WildZoo]

Day 2 We Are Gathered Here Today Vote Tally

Mel (1) - alley
Sloth (2) - genny, cubs
cubs (1) - Dina

4/12 voting
Leading: @PhiloslothicalStudent
Missing: so, so many

Vote closes tomorrow (12/16) at 10pm EST/ 9pm CST / 8pm MST / 7pm fantasyland

 

[Dinashadow]

Lol at thinking that his comment had anything to do with getting Zenge to vote when or where he did. Zenge’s historic voting behavior on D1 is infuriating frustrating, but I sincerely doubt that it had anything to do with cubs’ comment.

This is why I didn't expect him to die last night. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. His reads early game are hit or miss, part of the reason why I wait until later in the game to give him a solid read.

 

[supershorty]

This is why I didn't expect him to die last night. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. His reads early game are hit or miss, part of the reason why I wait until later in the game to give him a solid read.

Zenge has died by N2 in like 3 of the 4 last games or something. Legit a little annoyed that people keep not giving him a chance to PLAY.

 

[Barkley13]

village - shorty, AM, barks
neutral to lean village - Mel, cyndia, genny
neutral to lean wolf - bread, dina
a little wolfier - cray, alley
even wolfier - Sloth
wolfiest - spooky ghost

Why the village leans on mel, cyndia, and genny?

And how dare you put spoopy ghost as wolfiest 😡

-opportunistic late vote onto sloth

-pushing early cubs sketch, recent village games had her wanting me around

How was crays vote on sloth opportunistic?

 

[genny]

Why the village leans on mel, cyndia, and genny?

How do you feel about cubs?

 

[Barkley13]

What are you thoughts on cubs?

I’ve been pondering the please situation. On the surface it looks sketchy that he was defending please so much and that she randomly put him in her village reads based on weak reasons. But the other part is wondering if that’s too sketchy to be an actual wolf and was just misguided villager. I haven’t had a chance to go back to look at yesterday yet so I’m hoping that may help clear things up

 

[genny]

Lol I just realized those were all cubs quotes

 

[Dinashadow]

Zenge has died by N2 in like 3 of the 4 last games or something. Legit a little annoyed that people keep not giving him a chance to PLAY.

yeah like give him the chance to sit down and play the game

 

[supershorty]

I’ve been pondering the please situation. On the surface it looks sketchy that he was defending please so much and that she randomly put him in her village reads based on weak reasons. But the other part is wondering if that’s too sketchy to be an actual wolf and was just misguided villager. I haven’t had a chance to go back to look at yesterday yet so I’m hoping that may help clear things up

I've been thinking about this too because something similar happened in HZD, where after wolf!genny's flip, some of his comments aged really poorly, but he was village and it was just too wolfy to be wolf. I'm really hoping the ISO clears some things up for me.

 

[Dinashadow]

Why the village leans on mel, cyndia, and genny?

And how dare you put spoopy ghost as wolfiest 😡


How was crays vote on sloth opportunistic?

How do you feel about genny?

I’ve been pondering the please situation. On the surface it looks sketchy that he was defending please so much and that she randomly put him in her village reads based on weak reasons. But the other part is wondering if that’s too sketchy to be an actual wolf and was just misguided villager. I haven’t had a chance to go back to look at yesterday yet so I’m hoping that may help clear things up

I'm a little stuck on this part too, but I can't shake some of the feels I'm having about

 

[Dinashadow]

I've been thinking about this too because something similar happened in HZD, where after wolf!genny's flip, some of his comments aged really poorly, but he was village and it was just too wolfy to be wolf. I'm really hoping the ISO clears some things up for me.

Like would pleasey pick out someone who was slightly defending her and try to make them look sketchy before her flip? Or would she try to early defend her packmates? I just don't know much about her wolf meta to make a call on that

 

[Animal Midwife]

@genny Could I hear your reads?

 

[supershorty]

Like would pleasey pick out someone who was slightly defending her and try to make them look sketchy before her flip? Or would she try to early defend her packmates? I just don't know much about her wolf meta to make a call on that

I don't even know if please knows her wolf meta, this was the second time she wolfed.

 

[alleycat03]

What content specifically is making you feel good about her?

I’m on mobile because I’m studying right now, but I’ll go iso and pull them once I’m back on my laptop. Just quoting this so I remember to come back. Overall I just remember nodding along a lot with her posts

 

[supershorty]

AM, Shorty,
Sloth - I liked an earlier line of questioning pushing someone to elaborate on specifics of a read. Enough for me to put in my "more village than not" pile

Can you point this out when you have time?

 

[genny]

@genny Could I hear your reads?

Current theory is sloth is a wolf, with Cyndia or cubs. I don’t think the Pleasy wagon was pure.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Current theory is sloth is a wolf, with Cyndia or cubs. I don’t think the Pleasy wagon was pure.

So you feel better about Mel then?

 

[genny]

So you feel better about Mel then?

Maybe. I haven’t decided yet.

 

[supershorty]

Current theory is sloth is a wolf, with Cyndia or cubs. I don’t think the Pleasy wagon was pure.

Would a wolf!cubs jump on a wolf!Sloth vote as early as he did today, from what you've seen previously?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Would a wolf!cubs jump on a wolf!Sloth vote as early as he did today, from what you've seen previously?

Especially as the second vote, amirite?

 

[Melchizedek]

Can you point this out when you have time?

What are the weird feels your getting exactly?

It was here. It got village points on a quick iso before VSLMIP’s flip, but now going back and looking at the context, it was sloth talking to Dina about Dina’s feels for VSLMIP. So it’s giving him wolf points. Other post that bother me on a closer look:

i agree with this since I’ve never played with wolf pleasy im just not seeing what others are seeing, since it seems the majority voting for her have seen her wolf before

Sloth did come back and say he read the last wolf!VSLMIP game and then voted there, but that’s an easy thing for a wolf to say to try and bus a partner.

Overall more wolfy when I take a closer look.

 

[supershorty]

Would a wolf!cubs jump on a wolf!Sloth vote as early as he did today, from what you've seen previously?

@Dinashadow what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Dinashadow]

Would a wolf!cubs jump on a wolf!Sloth vote as early as he did today, from what you've seen previously?

@Dinashadow what are your thoughts on this?

I personally don't think so and to me makes them unlikely to be w/w

 

[supershorty]

I personally don't think so and to me makes them unlikely to be w/w

What's making you lean cubs more wolfy than Sloth?

I'm about to start working on Sloth's ISO for as long as I have power, but it'll take a bit because I want to go see what kind of posts she made in Basics, which is the last time I remember misyeeting her.

 

[supershorty]

To me Genny is sounding the same as she always does, every game I have played with her she has been village. With the style she’s playing, she currently doesn’t have me raising any eye brows at the moment.

With such good taste she must be village, but in all seriousness genny isn’t doing anything that would make me inclined to think she’s a wolf. She sounds like village genny

The similarity in these posts (top one from Basics, bottom one from this game) is spooking me a bit. Not in an AI way, just ... spooky.

 

[Dinashadow]

What's making you lean cubs more wolfy than Sloth?

I'm about to start working on Sloth's ISO for as long as I have power, but it'll take a bit because I want to go see what kind of posts she made in Basics, which is the last time I remember misyeeting her.

a lot of the wolfy stuff sloth did last cycle is similar to how she played in basics

Bussing is a possibility but I feel like it's less likely. Zenge made good points about it yesterday.

I really need to see what she says this cycle to get a better read though

 

[Dinashadow]

The similarity in these posts (top one from Basics, bottom one from this game) is spooking me a bit. Not in an AI way, just ... spooky.

yeah if she's a wolf she's emulating her village self very well

 

[Animal Midwife]

I was hoping to hear more from sloth today because it's hard to evaluate without any new content.

 

[supershorty]

Sloth tl;dr:
- There are some posts that I find fairly triggering, most of which I'd already commented on.
- She hasn't posted at all today, and that is making it harder for me to really come to a read.
- I do feel some distancing between her and please, but I want to go back and look at Basics to see if she made posts like that there too because I'm pretty sure I've incorrectly wolf-read Sloth in every game I've played with her.
- Sit tight for final thoughts that I'll edit into this after I go look at Basics, but I don't think the forum software will allow me to ISO both games in the same post.
- EDIT: Going back and looking at Basics was actually pretty interesting because while I found a few posts that reminded me of this game, I largely wolfread her in that game for very different types of posts. I want to see what kind of content she posts today/tomorrow in the hopes that it'll give me a better read on her, but I'm slightly more inclined to believe in what I'm feeling now than I was before. In Basics, my main issue with her was that she was posting reads lists and throwing people into "strongly village" categorization very early on, and it felt like wolfy TMI to me - and when I questioned her on it, she just made a new list with fewer people in that category without actually responding to me. And I subsequently lost my damn mind over it. That's quite different from what's pinging me in this game.

Spoiler

Apparently genny wants some more spice up in here soooo


Yeet genny

This feels jokey to me.

Ya it’s only day 1? Are you planning some kind of mass murder we don’t know about?

If my memory serves me correctly no.

Got some catching up to do today, so for now

Unvote genny

IIRC from Basics, these were the kinds of posts that really triggered people and caused her ultimate misyeet, so while they ping me, I'm not confident yet that I can trust the ping. I do think her answer to the wolfing question is odd, that seems like something you'd remember. But AI odd? Not comfortable saying it is on its own.

So to clarify, because I am slightly confused by the organization of this list..

Neutrals???

Wolf leans???

This asking for clarification on Mel's list felt a little off to me, plenty of people do their reads in list form like that. And I'm triggered by the extra punctuation.

Would like to hear more from cyndia, bread, and cray so they are neutral for now
I am feeling village on shorty, genny, and dina
Others I still need to analyze more to get a better feel/read

I'm not sure what was giving her a village read on genny this early on, she never says, and it's interesting to me because I didn't feel like genny had made a lot of posts up to that point that felt super AI one way or another.

What are the weird feels your getting exactly?

This questioning Dina on her please vote is pingy, but I could be reading tone into the "exactly"

I know she’s in the midst of finals but I would like to put some pressure on ally

Yeet ally

This came out of nowhere and with no explanation. It always gets my attention when people vote alley on D1 because she gets misyeeted D1 a TON - and often by all village wagons, but it would be super easy for a wolf to sow sus there and get village to bite.

i agree with this since I’ve never played with wolf pleasy im just not seeing what others are seeing, since it seems the majority voting for her have seen her wolf before

Yes, you have.

Again, this might be semantics, but "never" is a strong word to use, especially coming from someone who doesn't play very often and therefore doesn't have that many games to have to remember in the first place.

It was more so a pressure vote, but she showed up right after. I am starting to move more towards the argument against you and looked into the last game others were referring to. They make a pretty convincing argument…

Unyeet ally

Yeet pleasy

Did you go back and read some of it? Because otherwise, not long before this post, you were agreeing with cubs, who doesn't think that the posts I pulled are particularly compelling.

Then this makes me uncomfortable because unless Sloth is a speed reader, I'd be shocked if she actually read through enough of Basics to get a solid idea of please's wolfing style in the 35ish minutes between those posts.

Yes I went back and read some of it. So,I was looking into others investigations in order to better gather my own opinions.

And it's hugely hypocritical for me to call someone else wordy, but this is a lot of words and feels vaguely over-explainy.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

This asking for clarification on Mel's list felt a little off to me, plenty of people do their reads in list form like that. And I'm triggered by the extra punctuation.

It's been a solid few months since I've played, the random naming and such (i.e victor/victoria), plus it being in all caps threw me off

"never" is a strong word to use, especially coming from someone who doesn't play very often and therefore doesn't have that many games to have to remember in the first place.

you had every right to call me out on this, lesson has definitely been learned.

I just happen to log-on just now and see this, still going back through other things I missed

 

[supershorty]

It's been a solid few months since I've played, the random naming and such (i.e victor/victoria), plus it being in all caps threw me off

That's not the part that I'm talking about. I'm talking about you asking him multiple times to clarify the organization of the list.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

That's not the part that I'm talking about. I'm talking about you asking him multiple times to clarify the organization of the list.

what is the issue with that? he kept responding to posts around mine, so I thought it may have been overlooked

 

[Dinashadow]

Sloth tl;dr:
- There are some posts that I find fairly triggering, most of which I'd already commented on.
- She hasn't posted at all today, and that is making it harder for me to really come to a read.
- I do feel some distancing between her and please, but I want to go back and look at Basics to see if she made posts like that there too because I'm pretty sure I've incorrectly wolf-read Sloth in every game I've played with her.

The point about her saying she had read the past game where please wolfed feels the most off to me. Just the quickness of it and the timing of her please vote

 

[supershorty]

what is the issue with that? he kept responding to posts around mine, so I thought it may have been overlooked

The issue is that you yourself have made reads lists structured in a similar way, so I'm not sure I believe that you didn't understand how it was formatted.

I have one quoted with some commentary coming up, but I have 3 more pages of your posts in Basics to look at first.

 

[supershorty]

I'm not going to pull all of her quotes from Basics, but a few that I find relevant for various reasons:
I might not post my own quotes for why I sussed her in that game since some people don't like my ISOs, but I am going to look at them and see if I'm getting caught up in the same kinds of things again or if the suspicion I'm feeling is legit.

Spoiler

Categories, with individuals in no particular order

Village
AM
Dina
Alley
Cray
Sunshine
Genny

Weak Village
Zenge
VetSchools
Ace

???
WildZoo
MsP
Lainey
Shorty
Kras
DrRoRo

Wolf-lean
Visc
April

This is the first reads list that Sloth posted in Basics, and I really don't see much difference in the formatting between this and Mel's list that she questioned repeatedly - the only real difference is that she put headers for each section. So that makes me feel a little weird about her asking him twice to clarify his list because she supposedly didn't understand how it was laid out.

I’m not too fond of Genny’s recent behavior, but I also don’t know what to think about the bandwagon that has formed on her, I am less inclined to yeet visc since they reappeared with some pretty decent content

This is the kind of thing I thought I might see in here. Sloth was village in this game, and genny was wolfing. I see some similarities between this post and some of her questioning about Dina's vote on please yesterday, although in Basics, she was more willing to articulate what was making her uncomfortable beyond "I don't really see it."

While I am still sus of genny placing my vote there really would not make much of a difference
I have a gut feeling, and a few others seems to be ??? Or slightly sus of dubz so
Yeet dubz

Please don’t eat me 🤣

and then she voted off-wagon for a villager.

I will say I didn’t move my vote to Genny because it seemed too convenient, it seemed like an easy vote

This is clearly not the same situation as what occurred last night, since last night, Sloth did get on the please vote - I'm just putting this here because I feel like it probably triggered me in that game, and I'm going to look to see if I'm sussing her for the same things this time, but this is here more for me than for continuity of the ISO.

I’m leaning Alley; but also want to give her the benefit of the doubt with what she just posted, yesterday (or whenever it was, I can’t find the post now, thanks to broken sdn), the tinfoil sunshine posted about cray has gotten me thinking about them as a possibility. I am also considering Lainey, but she really hasn’t posted much today so its hard to say.

Cray for the most part has been significantly contributing to wolf-hunting but a wolf would also do that to disguise themselves as village, but I also don’t think cray would have gone for AM or dubz on night 1? Makes me lean towards a newer wolf such as alley or Lainey, or maybe ace???

Ace is also another possibility, because considering the fact that I am village, they may be trying to take attention off of themselves similar to me last day cycle by staying off of the bandwagon and postponing their vote until closer to yeet close, although it didn’t work very well.

I'm seeing more attempts at wolf hunting in Basics than I've seen in this game so far.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@PhiloslothicalStudent Now that your back, could I hear about you top wolf reads?

 

[supershorty]

Someone needs to slap me because coming into this game, I said I wasn't going to have enough time to do ISOs and now I'm sitting here ISOing games past and present. No self control.

 

[Dinashadow]

Someone needs to slap me because coming into this game, I said I wasn't going to have enough time to do ISOs and now I'm sitting here ISOing games past and present. No self control.

It doesn't count until you can figure out how to ISO games past, present, and future

 

[supershorty]

It doesn't count until you can figure out how to ISO games past, present, and future

That will only happen if I get slapped into another space-time dimension tonight.

Btw so far it looks like my main issue with Sloth in Basics was that she posted a reads list with an enormous village pile early on in the game and I was extremely suspicious of that. So not the same kinds of things that I took issue with in this game so far. I have 5 pages left of "shorty posts that mention Sloth" to go through, though.

 

[Dinashadow]

That will only happen if I get slapped into another space-time dimension tonight.

Btw so far it looks like my main issue with Sloth in Basics was that she posted a reads list with an enormous village pile early on in the game and I was extremely suspicious of that. So not the same kinds of things that I took issue with in this game so far. I have 5 pages left of "shorty posts that mention Sloth" to go through, though.

your iso is making me question myself, which is probably good, but I think I'll have a better time trying to read sloth once she posts some reads/more content today

 

[supershorty]

your iso is making me question myself, which is probably good, but I think I'll have a better time trying to read sloth once she posts some reads/more content today

I feel the same way.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

I'm still getting a village lean on genny, dina and shorty
now that cray and cyndia have posted a bit more I am feeling neutral on them, don't feel comfortable moving them to village just yet

slightly wolfy on bread, because I feel like its possible pleasy and bread could have been a w/w wagon, I also understand the argument against the w/w wagon, but I think its still a possibility
slightly wolfy on cubs for the defense of schools early on in the game, need to go back and look at that content more

 

[Cyndia]

-honestly have been overlooking cyndia as havent played in a while, so Im not sure the connection there unless youre strictly talking about her vote
-even i just realized bread needed to be read a little more village, maybe she will too

Move bread more village

Yes, please flipping wolf has changed my bread read. I started with bread because of lack of substance, and only stayed there because his vote justification made no sense to me. I need to recheck the timing of it, but from what I remember it was early enough and since he did it as an AM vs pleasey thing (and I don't think AM is wolfing), it makes zero sense as a wolf to have voted how he did. So he's one of my stronger village feels now.

That being said, these posts I quoted above kind of feel icky and like cubs is giving me a pass without me having chimed in yet? Idk I just don't love the feel of these posts, but I might also be overly sketched by it because I just did a skim catch up and have crays quoted post on my mind about cubs not getting pleezit sketch from shorty's post. I felt shorty's post was pretty compelling, I just didn't want to follow a pleasey vote at the time because I wanted to check that game myself first to make sure they were selective quotes. But the tonality differences seemed pretty obvious, so I find it surprising that cubs didn't seem to find it sketchy at all.

 

[supershorty]

slightly wolfy on bread, because I feel like its possible pleasy and bread could have been a w/w wagon, I also understand the argument against the w/w wagon, but I think its still a possibility

You think that please would have voted a packmate rather than vote for you, and stay there on her packmate when your wagon was gaining momentum shortly thereafter? Why?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Yes, please flipping wolf has changed my bread read. I started with bread because of lack of substance, and only stayed there because his vote justification made no sense to me. I need to recheck the timing of it, but from what I remember it was early enough and since he did it as an AM vs pleasey thing (and I don't think AM is wolfing), it makes zero sense as a wolf to have voted how he did. So he's one of my stronger village feels now.

That being said, these posts I quoted above kind of feel icky and like cubs is giving me a pass without me having chimed in yet? Idk I just don't love the feel of these posts, but I might also be overly sketched by it because I just did a skim catch up and have crays quoted post on my mind about cubs not getting pleezit sketch from shorty's post. I felt shorty's post was pretty compelling, I just didn't want to follow a pleasey vote at the time because I wanted to check that game myself first to make sure they were selective quotes. But the tonality differences seemed pretty obvious, so I find it surprising that cubs didn't seem to find it sketchy at all.

There you go @Animal Midwife . However she did it in the sketchiest way possible. She could have just written the first paragraph. Instead she added the second to throw shade somewhere because she doesnt have any other viable wolf read now.

 

[supershorty]

I'm still getting a village lean on genny, dina and shorty
now that cray and cyndia have posted a bit more I am feeling neutral on them, don't feel comfortable moving them to village just yet

slightly wolfy on bread, because I feel like its possible pleasy and bread could have been a w/w wagon, I also understand the argument against the w/w wagon, but I think its still a possibility
slightly wolfy on cubs for the defense of schools early on in the game, need to go back and look at that content more

Can you explain your genny read beyond it being a tone read? What posts of hers are making you feel she's village?