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[Crayola227]

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Tbf, it was a long post and took time to think how I was going to word things and type it out. When I started typing it, your question to dubz was the most recent reply to the thread; I didn’t see your prompt until after I’d posted. So take that for what you will I guess.

I’m not dumb, I know I’ve been mid-to-high on everyone’s sketch list since D2. So I’ll explain my actions when asked and if you still find it sketchy there’s not much I can do about that.

I feel like Capri got a lot of attention for something WAY sketchier than stupid wording, like seeming to hide clearing info on Ny (a wolf trying not too hard to clear another wolf, or a village, but concerned the PM info might come out another way and didn't want to look like they were hiding it, so they split the difference by burying it, hoping it's not seen, but if called out can say "but I put it there!")

the she seemed to slink into the background and I got all the spotlight I didn't really want that's getting me lynched

most of this game she's needed to be prompted to play, and while that's typical of my fave noobs (Lawper, and believe me, dealing with Stella...) I don't think that's typical for her

seems to me that she's trying harder not to get lynched this game, is in the background more, and not giving us as good of game as I think she's capable

one of my reads earlier said she seemed to be too smart for a noob... and then she fades. From a noob? Wolfy af all of this.

 

[Crayola227]

I think the point that you're missing is that you were very clear about it having been a confirmed event. Do you really not see why that is sketchy?

You should not have to say "I told you so" at any point because your reads should already be on the thread. People can look back at your interactions and comments and know that you were correct, because there is a trail of written evidence that they can see for themselves.

Edit: ninja'd by LIS, I should just use a computer

Like, I guess, it just seems like an Allie situation, you wanna see wolf so that's all you see. That I found frustrating when I bust my ass to wolf hunt.

 

[Crayola227]

also, where the frak is @SnowshoeDog143 ?

I actually even forgot she's playing, moreso even than Lawper. Now that worries me.

I get there's as much danger to focusing on actives as inactives, but that really concerns me.

 

[capri1722]

one of my reads earlier said she seemed to be too smart for a noob... and then she fades. From a noob? Wolfy af all of this.

…you said that in response to my D1 joke vote against Pippy. That one’s on you.

 

[Crayola227]

Last wolf shutout was a lot of play from me, Pippy, LIS. Which has me worried about our actives.

 

[Crayola227]

…you said that in response to my D1 joke vote against Pippy. That one’s on you.

No, one read said that almost jokingly, that you had the best logic in the game so far (N1 saying that who can believe she's not a wolf!)

The read after that, or after that, said that you were giving me angry feelings, possibly because you seemed too smart for a noob. this was after you posted some actual game content

 

[capri1722]

most of this game she's needed to be prompted to play, and while that's typical of my fave noobs (Lawper, and believe me, dealing with Stella...) I don't think that's typical for her

Also in both WWhisk and WWinter my posting volume was generally pretty low unless I was being questioned. So considering how many sketch lists I’m on, and how many questions are directed towards me as a result, I think I’m pretty on par.

 

[PippyPony]

Like, I guess, it just seems like an Allie situation, you wanna see wolf so that's all you see. That I found frustrating when I bust my ass to wolf hunt.

I get that that is frustrating. I really do.

But think about it this way: if you saw someone post something that seemed like actual confirmation they were a wolf... would you be able to set that aside?

I know you said that you hope you don't get lynched for something like this in the future, but I'm telling you right now that I will continue to lynch people for Rojo'ing (or similar). It'd just be poor play not to follow up on something like that, imo.

But yeah, I am trying to keep up discussion and promise I will go back and look at your reads in depth if you flip village.

 

[Crayola227]

Smart noob villagers shouldn't quiet up after a comment like that, even if it's implied you're sketchy. (if you're told you're dumb and need to quiet down like me, that's different)

OTOH, a wolf pack might totally tell you to tone that down just a notch. Not ghost the thread, but don't seem too informed. Did that happen here? Possibly.

I didn't have you as wolfy, but after that comment you've just faded in play luster.

 

[PippyPony]

Last wolf shutout was a lot of play from me, Pippy, LIS. Which has me worried about our actives.

This is not a shut out, though. Wolves haven't been able to get much traction with their vote plan as far as I can tell from the lynches genny tried to start. So shouldn't that make you less worried?

 

[Crayola227]

…you said that in response to my D1 joke vote against Pippy. That one’s on you.

No, it's not on me. That read was after content posts, you've since failed to give us much quality, and you hid intel. Could be noob mistake, but you saw all of clearly post PM intel and items and such on the open thread.

You really didn't think that info about Ny deserved it's own post? Fine, I'm not one to harp on what might be one mistake.

But since then you've needed quite a bit of prompting to play, and you haven't contributed as much as I would expect from you. Maybe there's good reasons. But there's reasons to look at you, too.

 

[PippyPony]

also, where the frak is @SnowshoeDog143 ?

I actually even forgot she's playing, moreso even than Lawper. Now that worries me.

I get there's as much danger to focusing on actives as inactives, but that really concerns me.

Snowy would have been an excellent convert choice imo.

Not going to start that hunt yet, but...she is probably who I would have chosen.

 

[Crayola227]

This is not a shut out, though. Wolves haven't been able to get much traction with their vote plan as far as I can tell from the lynches genny tried to start. So shouldn't that make you less worried?

I mean worried about our active meaning you, me, LIS, WZ, as wolves, are totally capable of being active, seen, and "running" the village. Not coasting.

 

[Crayola227]

Snowy would have been an excellent convert choice imo.

Not going to start that hunt yet, but...she is probably who I would have chosen.

who's to say she's not the original wolf?

 

[capri1722]

But since then you've needed quite a bit of prompting to play, and you haven't contributed as much as I would expect from you. Maybe there's good reasons. But there's reasons to look at you, too.

I mean I could go into why I haven’t been participating as much as in the previous two games, but LIS taught me that real life obligations are a cheap excuse.

 

[Crayola227]

Snowy has mostly popped on to say she mostly agreed with my reads

If she's wolf, it's not a totally bad move to have done that, if my reads aren't right, vague, or she just thinks it'll be discounted

she read as villager to me for being on my page, but that's easy for a wolf to do

 

[PippyPony]

who's to say she's not the original wolf?

Predominantly because of her reads, imo.

But also because of genny's attempts to get people to think snowy looked sketchy. Not going to go into a breakdown of genny wolf behavior but it makes me feel decently good about snowy starting out as village. But also is one of the reasons why I will eventually be a tad concerned about her as a convert risk.

 

[PippyPony]

I mean I could go into why I haven’t been participating as much as in the previous two games, but LIS taught me that real life obligations are a cheap excuse.

Here is my sticking point with that:

I know you have been following the thread because I have been keeping track of like notifications and you are typically checking in at least a few times during the day. But not posting. Or voting for people.

The holding votes is sketch -- you did that in the noob game except for when you swung all the way the other direction and contingency voted (which you also have done this game).

 

[Crayola227]

ooh this is an interesting ability! But the real question is are you actually neutral or do you favour one side over the other?



There is a pretty low probability they are all wolves together again. I don't know. I didn't play/spectate/really know anything about the lounge game and I still think the AM kill makes sense from her living to the end in the wwhisk game. And that leaves most of the players here who played or spectated that game. So I don't think it's a great lead.



Why don't you want to widen the field. Doesn't that encourage discussion.



I can always count on you to want me dead.



Why the sudden switch. And to youngkal of all people?



I agree with pretty much everything lawper said here.



Hahaha do you know pippy?? She has the worst WW addiction after AM..

Check out this post, please. It actually reads very wolfy, knowing YK and genny as wolves. No, pretty please read it.

 

[Crayola227]

Hmmm.. That's what I was thinking. Leaning towards genny suspicions.



Also, role fishing noob?



I mean you would do that, but not getting that feel from you rn

She says genny might be role fishing, but then also says capri might be. Is she not wanting to seem to favor/defend her fellow wolf too strongly, while suggesting another suspicion target in capri? Sounds like a snowy wolf move maybe.

 

[PippyPony]

Are you reading these in context, or isoing?

In context I think they sound a lot less wolfy than they might if you weren't taking timing into account.

 

[Crayola227]

LIS would totally bus a noob wolf D1 though...



This is pretty weak imo. And it seems like your reasoning is jumping off of other's reasoning for voting allie. I could see it as a wolf trying to rack up the bandwagon before any other wolves come under suspicion.



Yeah I just don't see the mixy suspicions. They seem to be playing similar to last game where they were village - and mixy had good reads last game so I'd rather keep him/her alive then lynching off weird tunneling theories.

Setting up tinfoil hat on LIS, casting shade on capri. Possibly hoping to say, "See! Allie was village, Capri is wolfy!" I see wolves decide to tunnel a villager so they can act like that's all it was. They don't want to seem like they're going after too many people. And she's pocketing me by agreeing with my reads that no one takes seriously, "defending the downtrodden villager" because that's a safe move.

 

[Crayola227]

Are you reading these in context, or isoing?

In context I think they sound a lot less wolfy than they might if you weren't taking timing into account.

ISO. I wanted to look at just how much and what she's contributed.

I don't think catch up posts are inherently wolfy. Still, as a wolf that can be a nice way to play because of how you can tailor you strategic responses. I would think it's easier to get caught up in something you wish you could take back later if you live follow/post as we do. Case in point, my Allie post which seems to have been a dumb move villager or wolf.

 

[Crayola227]

Are you reading these in context, or isoing?

In context I think they sound a lot less wolfy than they might if you weren't taking timing into account.

I'm reading the posts around them, and I remember what was going on in general at the time.

I just like to consider the possibilities here. You could read my thoughts on what could be wolfy on a post, and not think it's why. That's why I do these. So we can decide if a wolfy bent sticks or not.

 

[LetItSnow]

I mean I could go into why I haven’t been participating as much as in the previous two games, but LIS taught me that real life obligations are a cheap excuse.

Nah.

It's not that they aren't a real excuse. We're all frakking busy at various times. It's just that there's no way to evaluate it when someone says "busy with real life." So when someone pulls it out as an excuse, I just ignore it. Might be real, might be not real - who's to say?

 

[Crayola227]

Wait are you trying to take credit for the YK lynch? Did you even vote her?



Oh I am not surprised genny voted for me. Not a cop out, more a joke vote and probably a bit real vote to actually get me talking...

Wants to be sure I don't get credit for YK (which I wasn't seeking, just explaining to noob why I thought LIS fingered her early)
trying to manage what we think about genny's vote for her... I could totally see genny and Snowy using their history to look like villager on villager when it's wolf on wolf
Pippy and LIS did the exact same thing when we wolfed
Wolves can't appear to avoid suspecting each other too much

 

[capri1722]

I know you have been following the thread because I have been keeping track of like notifications and you are typically checking in at least a few times during the day. But not posting. Or voting for people.

I get 10 minutes between classes, and I use that time (while walking 50 miles across this giant campus) to check up on the thread so that I’m not 8 pages behind when I finally have time to sit down and really read what’s going on. I rarely get caught up all the way until I get home, and most days that’s not until 6 or later MST.

The holding votes is sketch -- you did that in the noob game except for when you swung all the way the other direction and contingency voted (which you also have done this game).

So…you’re saying I do the thing except when I don’t? K.

 

[PippyPony]

ISO. I wanted to look at just how much and what she's contributed.

Going back to the "smart people can see many possibilities" conversation...

...I try not to iso. Like, at all.

I do often re-read a big chunk of the thread at a time to update my reads or remind myself of how something went down, but I personally find that if I look at things in isolation, it is WAY easier for me to suddenly see everything they say as wolfy or part of some scheme. Whereas in context I can say "oh I remember that, that seemed normal" or "ok this was in response to someone else who actually seems wolfier", etc.

The hyperfocus gets worse when I am tired or frustrated. Lol

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I feel like you might be starting to tunnel?

 

[capri1722]

Nah.

It's not that they aren't a real excuse. We're all frakking busy at various times. It's just that there's no way to evaluate it when someone says "busy with real life." So when someone pulls it out as an excuse, I just ignore it. Might be real, might be not real - who's to say?

Exactly why I don’t share it.

 

[PippyPony]

So…you’re saying I do the thing except when I don’t? K.

Lol pretty much 😉

 

[Crayola227]

I mean I could go into why I haven’t been participating as much as in the previous two games, but LIS taught me that real life obligations are a cheap excuse.

In any case, people will still demand to know why you're not in a thread. Not answering is sketch. Saying you were busy is sketch. The only solution is to play.

That said, it's fine to say what you have going on. There's a social aspect to us giving a frak about what we have going on, even if it won't get factoring into affiliation detecting. Sometimes I worry about people who aren't being active.

 

[Crayola227]

Going back to the "smart people can see many possibilities" conversation...

...I try not to iso. Like, at all.

I do often re-read a big chunk of the thread at a time to update my reads or remind myself of how something went down, but I personally find that if I look at things in isolation, it is WAY easier for me to suddenly see everything they say as wolfy or part of some scheme. Whereas in context I can say "oh I remember that, that seemed normal" or "ok this was in response to someone else who actually seems wolfier", etc.

The hyperfocus gets worse when I am tired or frustrated. Lol

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I feel like you might be starting to tunnel?

It's fine, I usually do rereads of chunks and examine as I go. I normally never ISO either. Since she's not been on that much, I thought in this case it might be efficient.

As far as tunneling, I would argue I'm tunneling less. I've "tunneled" WZ, LIS, even you, I'm challenging Capri, and now I'm considering a player under the radar. Lawper literaly has nothing to go on besides noobness. Coop I can't point to in posts, it's just vague gut feel. Ny, same deal, not much to read, but she's felt more villager in her recent posts. WM I'm wishy washy and might review.

I think putting someone under the microscope for a moment isn't the same as tunneling. I see tunneling as blinders and not looking at the big picture or other players.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

... Night cancel?

Funny thats the first thing you jumped to. I was thinking another conversion attempt.

Screw that. If there were one last wolf forgetting to submit moves, I'd just mod kill them and declare the village win.

That's not what's happening. I'd be amazed. Kaydubs wouldn't stand for it.

This is why I should never be the last wolf, I always forget to submit actions..

There was something in the write up yesterday...? about people "still thinking there were gang members out there".

Could be that there is only a 3rd party left.

Can we lynch MJ? Lol

No way there was only 2 wolves this game. That seems way to small.

 

[PippyPony]

Funny thats the first thing you jumped to. I was thinking another conversion attempt.

Only because of the write up. And I think it's ok to ask people to speak up if it was a night cancel?

Since no one has, I agree that is probably the wrong interpretation.

 

[Crayola227]

Whoops sorry. In prevet she is usually a safe go-to pronoun 😛

We just want to see your thoughts on other people. Who do you think is suspicious and why? You have to realize that you might die early until people figure out your play style. But giving your thoughts and theories is much better for the village then just summarizing what has happened or being quiet so you don't get lynched. Silence doesn't help village.

Several villagery posts. She's talking to Lawper. Interestingly though, most of her votes are sorta summarizing or being quiet. "The silence doesn't help village" thing... I dunno know. I say this too, but you have to look at the author in context. Without less silence from her, this just reads as, I'm helping village but not even the very way I'm suggesting.

 

[capri1722]

In any case, people will still demand to know why you're not in a thread. Not answering is sketch. Saying you were busy is sketch. The only solution is to play.

That said, it's fine to say what you have going on. There's a social aspect to us giving a frak about what we have going on, even if it won't get factoring into affiliation detecting. Sometimes I worry about people who aren't being active.

Well if you’re really that curious…

Spoiler: Warning: Long and Whiny

I have class 5 days a week (not unusual, obviously), sometimes starting as early as 8am and ending as late as 5pm. I work 5 hours per day, 4 days per week. Due to the nature of my job I have a LOT of down time, and I am allowed to do basically whatever I want provided I stay around. I usually use that time for homework because I can’t study well at home. Today I’m using that time for SDN and WW. This week in particular, I’ve been working on binging an online class before the free trial for the e-book expired (finished with 40 minutes to spare, btw), a financial aid appeal that means a difference of roughly $15k in tuition, and a scholarship application. Weekends are when I really have time to dedicate to the thread, as I usually have nothing planned because I’m not that cool.

And I promise there’s no critically important information in there this time. 😉

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

also, where the frak is @SnowshoeDog143 ?

I actually even forgot she's playing, moreso even than Lawper. Now that worries me.

I get there's as much danger to focusing on actives as inactives, but that really concerns me.

Lol I think I've posted a lot more then lawper

Snowy would have been an excellent convert choice imo.

Not going to start that hunt yet, but...she is probably who I would have chosen.

I mean I would except for the fact I'm a crappy wolf..

Snowy has mostly popped on to say she mostly agreed with my reads

If she's wolf, it's not a totally bad move to have done that, if my reads aren't right, vague, or she just thinks it'll be discounted

she read as villager to me for being on my page, but that's easy for a wolf to do

UM I have my own reads thank you very much as I state every day. I said one time I agreed with you. ONE TIME.

 

[Crayola227]

Hmmm speak of the devil and they come a-running with attack not defense....

 

[Crayola227]

Lol I think I've posted a lot more then lawper



I mean I would except for the fact I'm a crappy wolf..



UM I have my own reads thank you very much as I state every day. I said one time I agreed with you. ONE TIME.

You said it more than once.

I don't care that you've posted more than Lawper. We have established his silence and not forgotten about him. He is the quiet noob that will need to go soon because he hasn't offered much data.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Only because of the write up. And I think it's ok to ask people to speak up if it was a night cancel?

Since no one has, I agree that is probably the wrong interpretation.

Well I guess that makes sense with the write up. But still thinking conversion if you were offered and declined (but only if WZ's offer was from chaos)

Several villagery posts. She's talking to Lawper. Interestingly though, most of her votes are sorta summarizing or being quiet. "The silence doesn't help village" thing... I dunno know. I say this too, but you have to look at the author in context. Without less silence from her, this just reads as, I'm helping village but not even the very way I'm suggesting.

I don't understand this.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Hmmm speak of the devil and they come a-running with attack not defense....

Haha my break at work trying to catch up with the thread.

 

[PippyPony]

Well I guess that makes sense with the write up. But still thinking conversion if you were offered and declined (but only if WZ's offer was from chaos)

Yup, was literally just a first impression because the write up said school was cancelled lol

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Lynch Cray

Slightly worried about pippy being a convert still. Still could go for weim, but Cray's haha allie is village post seemed pretty wolfy.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Yup, was literally just a first impression because the write up said school was cancelled lol

tbh I skimmed to just see who had died and didn't even read the writeup.

 

[Crayola227]

So I've re-read, and the rest of Snowy's posts seem pretty villagery.

Part of that is me basing it on her sharing suspects with me, and defending who I think are villagers.

That wouldn't be hard to do as wolf, though.

I lean villager. When I flip village, I hope that Snowy will continue wherever our targets overlap.

 

[Animal Midwife]

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Unofficial Day 6 Do You Ever Tally, Just For the Fun of It?

Cray (7) - LIS, pippy, Coopah, Weim, ny, capri, Snowy
LIS (1) - Cray
capri (1) - WZ

9/10
lynch close in 5.5 hours
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[Coopah]

Ok I agree cray is sketch but after thinking about it, I feel more strongly about weim. I looked over the voting history with not much for original analysis I feel is more wolfy than cray freaking out like normal.

Unlynch cray lynch weim

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

mmm I had capri village-leaning for putting YK in the lead and for another reason which I forget.

 

[LetItSnow]

Exactly why I don’t share it.

I still say something. I just look at it more like... if I get lynched for it... that's just life and how my schedule screwed me over. And if I lynch someone else who turns out to have been genuinely busy and not just ducking participation 'cause they're a wolf... so be it, they shouldn't take it personally.

I dunno. Mixed feelings, yanno?

But I've been burned by someone playing the "I've been busy, promise!" enough to just plain ignore it. And I've abused it and suckered people with it, too.

*shrug*

 

[LetItSnow]

In any case, people will still demand to know why you're not in a thread. Not answering is sketch. Saying you were busy is sketch. The only solution is to play.

That said, it's fine to say what you have going on. There's a social aspect to us giving a frak about what we have going on, even if it won't get factoring into affiliation detecting. Sometimes I worry about people who aren't being active.

Yeah, this.