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[SnowshoeDog143]

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Unless tinfoil that he is is the wolf or 3rd party... if he was 3rd party it would have been harder but not impossible for him to have caught YK N1

if you're the village jailer

Why would it have been any easier/harder for him to catch YK if LIS was 3rd party?

If we can explain the other no-kill nights, I forgot if one we had chalked up to Pippy, might help us lean towards conversion here

LIS with the early wolf take down might have been a good conversion target

Lol he would probably be way grumpier or less active.

this is why I like posting rules, like 3 active for content

it was mentioned that this might discourage players signing up, but I liked the game where had that

Just an fyi, most of those "inactive" people have posted 3 content posts a day.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I feel like Capri got a lot of attention for something WAY sketchier than stupid wording, like seeming to hide clearing info on Ny (a wolf trying not too hard to clear another wolf, or a village, but concerned the PM info might come out another way and didn't want to look like they were hiding it, so they split the difference by burying it, hoping it's not seen, but if called out can say "but I put it there!")

the she seemed to slink into the background and I got all the spotlight I didn't really want that's getting me lynched

most of this game she's needed to be prompted to play, and while that's typical of my fave noobs (Lawper, and believe me, dealing with Stella...) I don't think that's typical for her

seems to me that she's trying harder not to get lynched this game, is in the background more, and not giving us as good of game as I think she's capable

one of my reads earlier said she seemed to be too smart for a noob... and then she fades. From a noob? Wolfy af all of this.

See I just see her clearing ny in a spoiler tag is a noob mistake. It isn't helpful to village or wolves so the only reason she would have done it is she didn't want a long post of reads clogging up the thread which the spoiler tag I think was started by you and was in the noob game as a thing. Idk it doesn't seem wolfy to me...

Last wolf shutout was a lot of play from me, Pippy, LIS. Which has me worried about our actives.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, but also someone like lawper could be a new wolf that doesn't want to slip up and so is posting less. So the wolf/wolves could be anyone.

 

[Crayola227]

Why would it have been any easier/harder for him to catch YK if LIS was 3rd party?



Lol he would probably be way grumpier or less active.



Just an fyi, most of those "inactive" people have posted 3 content posts a day.

Lol, they have after being summoned.

If LIS is wolf, bussing wolf YK is easy. He's knows for sure he's wolf.
If LIS is 3rd party, presumably he's as in the dark as the villager unless he got some sort of intel moving from N1>>D1. So I figure it would be a smidge harder for LIS to have caught him. Not impossible, of course.

Not convinced he would be less active as a convert.

Where's Lawper? And I feel you and Capri had to be summoned to the thread. And where's WM? Perhaps 3 post per day before today overall. Still not impressed with the depth

 

[PippyPony]

Not convinced he would be less active as a convert.

Haha I feel like you have maybe not seen LIS as a convert.

 

[WildZoo]

Yup, was literally just a first impression because the write up said school was cancelled lol

Lies 😛

“Good morning Tri-state Metro!

Bad weather is expected today with temperatures below zero and wind chills exceeding -20 degrees. All schools and most businesses are closed with the exception of veterinary school. Those students are still expected to attend their 8 am lectures."

No one died.

 

[LetItSnow]

Haha I feel like you have maybe not seen LIS as a convert.

Dammit. I'm gonna have to play to that meta next time I'm converted.

 

[PippyPony]

Dammit. I'm gonna have to play to that meta next time I'm converted.

Liiiiiiike... now?

😉

 

[LetItSnow]

Liiiiiiike... now?

😉

Nope. It's a kaydubs game, so you can predict what would happen if the wolves tried to convert me. She has always given me a "... or die" option (or at least a refusal option).

 

[Lawpy]

Apologies for the delay guys. I was actually reading this thread and try to parse things out but admittedly, I'm getting confused pretty easily based on the contradictions and distortions I'm seeing. This is probably due to inexperience, but I'll do my best to share my thoughts from my understanding.

So from the most recent tally, I notice that Cray's in the lead and I understand the reasons justifying her lynch. When I read her posts, I'm seeing several contradictions on some key arguments that I'm actually lost as to what she's trying to argue. As I mentioned this yesterday, I found this post interesting:

TLDR:
Doesn't matter how many wolves there are, for the most part.
Conversion is always on the table, no matter what.
No one can be totally trusted, no matter what.
Makes no difference to me when I go looking for wolves. A wolf is a wolf.

I mean, sometimes it makes sense to me to pontificate about how many wolves there are when you're trying to analyze wolfpack behavior and sort out wolf-wolf interactions, but otherwise, it doesn't really frakking matter. There's wolves until we kill the last one and the game is over.

I know it seems like I'm all for convert hunting, but the reality is this,
-you have to come up with top wolf candidates from analysis, analyze them, and vote them
-rinse and repeat
-you have to have some people on village lean or the paranoia is too great to function, you have to consider some theories and info as coming from villagers or get nowhere in a twisty wash cycle of circular paranoia where I live.

That said, you also have to continually reconsider the people on the "likely village" list. Anything weird happens, like a rez, or with LIS, you have to put them on the watch list. They don't get to be on the trusted villager list. I know that seems like convert hunting, but it's not.

I don't care if someone is an original wolf, I don't care if someone was an innocent child, I don't care if there is a lack of mod or game clues pointing to conversion. Conversion can always happen, and a wolf is a wolf, and we hunt them until they're dead.

Specifically this part:

I don't care if someone is an original wolf, I don't care if someone was an innocent child, I don't care if there is a lack of mod or game clues pointing to conversion. Conversion can always happen, and a wolf is a wolf, and we hunt them until they're dead.

I just found this to be in sharp contrast to other players' arguments who want to focus on hunting down the original wolves. Cray also seems to be warning against trusting players in the "likely village" list too much. Later posts from Cray were discussing more about the quality of her reads, which led to some confusion such as:

Seriously look at WZ, LIS, Coop, Ny, WM, Capri, Lawper, Allie, Snowy, Pip, I think I forgot someone (a lurker?) and ask yourself if I'm really the master wolf of the 2 or 3 or 4 left, that you're looking for, dudes.

Ok, maybe lemme ask you this, because medical professionals and I know you're smart & probably quite good at this IRL:

If you had to triage that list in terms of "most dangerous based on observable game play in this game", what would your ranking look like?

Crayola, seriously. Take a step back. Take a deep breath and bring your emotion down and riddle me this:

There are 10 people in the game other than yourself.

You just said to "seriously look at" 10 of the 10 remaining players.

All emotions aside - go into full on logic mode - do you think it is helpful to say that we will find the wolves in 10 of the remaining 10 players?

The confusion was somewhat resolved by the following posts:

Never mind. I re-read what you said, and you meant it differently than I read it.

Love how Pippy missed the point too. Especially asking about triage.

I said look at them and ask if you really think I'm the wolfiest. What happened to concerns over Lawper's posts? Or Capri?

But even so, the fact that Pippy, LIS and others got confused by Cray's wording kind of speaks about Cray's presentation of important points. I don't know whether Cray is deliberately being confusing or is arguing in vague terms, but confusing the village isn't a good thing.

More importantly, Cray repeatedly argued her reads were accurate in response to the arguments saying that her reads were bad, but with her stance regarding conversion, it seems odd that she'd confidently village read anyone in the first place (especially considering she was warning against trusting players who are likely village). If anything, a more accurate statement would be to rank someone's wolfiness on a gradient (i.e. from most wolfy to least wolfy) with an assumption that anyone can be converted.

Yet despite all this, we get this unusual post from Cray:

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH, dudes!!

I said Allie was villager, and that I couldn't make sense of it earlier, I think I even used the word miscommunication between Allie and Pippy, dudes

how's that for reading, dudes!

Which happened before Allie actually flipped:

Uhhhhh

We don't have confirmation of that yet?

At least, I haven't seen it. But I'm on my phone, so maybe it is slow to load something...?

This striking confidence seems unusually out of place with her conversion stance, and in fact, can look like a wolf slip. Even if Cray is a villager, the delivery was out of place and led to confusion and questions as to how Cray knew of Allie's role despite being confirmed.

Basically, Cray's posts have problems with delivery and many players were confused by her reads and arguments. And I think this is a dangerous play, something which a wolf could do. ​

 

[Lawpy]

Before I forget

Lynch Cray

 

[Lawpy]

Currently responding to some important things and giving more of my insights right now.

 

[Lawpy]

So I read capri's posts, and I'm thinking she's leaning more on a villager side than wolf side. Yes, some of her posts were sketchy, such as hiding important information under spoiler tags, like this post:

Spoiler: Reads

Cray: In general you seem tamer than normal. Except in your interaction with Ny, but that actually makes you a little more sketch in my book. Will get to that in a sec.
Lawper: You’re quieter than I expected you to be. You’re always so talkative in dead chat, but you’ve hardly posted at all this game. Only three posts yesterday (only one of substance) and none today. Little sketch.
Allie: Sketchy for reasons I already explained.
DubZ: As I mentioned in WWhisk, I feel like it’s extremely difficult to read people I haven’t played with (WWhisk doesn’t count because you were an NPC). Not even going to try here until I have more info.
Genny: Same.
WM: Same.
Coop: Same.
LIS: Seems like typical LeTitsNow. No red flags so far.
Pips: Had you as village-leaning in WWhisk and it bit me in the butt. But so far haven’t seen anything to make me suspect you.
Snowy: So far leaning village. Just Feelz™ though.
Ny: Really don’t like your posting style—the absenteeism, the “I do what I want” attitude, etc. But I had an item yesterday that led me to believe you are village. I am also aware that there is precedent in other games for mod info not being totally accurate, but it’s my strongest lead so far.
Stella: Not enough posts to make a good read, but that’s kind of becoming her play style. Leaning village.

Maybe it's just me, but even in the dead chats and past games, I don't like to use spoiler tags and I just throw out whatever insights, ideas, predictions and bets I have openly. I just think spoiler tags hide important information that players need to know in the game thread, so I view this behavior to be sketchy and deceptive.

That said, I found it interesting that capri had an item and used it to soft clear Ny despite disliking Ny's posts.

But I think the main reason why I'm leaning capri more on the village side despite her sketchy behavior is because of time continuity in D1 regarding her tiebreaking vote on youngkal.

Before capri casted her vote, the vote tally showed a three-way tie among Pippy, Mixy and youngkal.

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Unofficial AM is always watching Day 1 Lynch Tally

Mixy, YoungKal, and Pippy are in the lead.

LIS (1) – allie
Lawper () –
Pippy (2) – Capri, youngkal
Mixed Animals (2) – Crayola, Coopah
YoungKal (2) - LIS, Pippy
Nyanko () -
Allieh (1) - WZ
Stellamud (1) - Weimmama
SnowshoeDog (1) - Genny
capri (1) - Lawpy

11/15

lynch close in 45 minutes
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But then capri, who was contributing to this three-way tie, decided to break it off by going immediately for youngkal.

What is your reasoning, if I may?

​

Nah just a joke vote on your user description. 😉 Was thinking of changing to Kal though, 1) to break the tie and 2) because I didn’t really like her reasoning for lynching, coincidentally, you.​

Unlynch Pippy
Lynch Kal

The tally was then updated with youngkal in the lead.

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Unofficial AM is always watching Day 1 Lynch Tally

Kal is in the lead.

LIS (1) – allie
Lawper () –
Pippy (1) – kal
Mixed Animals (2) – Crayola, Coopah
YoungKal (3) - LIS, Pippy, capri
Nyanko () -
Allieh (1) - WZ
Stellamud (1) - Weimmama
SnowshoeDog (1) - Genny
capri (1) - Lawpy

11/15

lynch close in 30 minutes
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And Mixy sealed youngkal's fate by casting her vote:

My phone's about to die so
###lynch Kal###
I can see some of the other votes right now also but they claimed to be on but still haven't contributed much of anything significant to game play so I'm sitting there for today unless I'm around towards end lynch if I can find a charger.

Just by observing the sequence of this voting pattern makes me feel capri is more on the village side. A possible wolf capri could've gone after Mixy first and Mixy could've casted the vote on youngkal to create another tie. Possible wolf capri could then bus youngkal to get village cred by switching her vote back at youngkal but after Mixy's vote was casted.

Instead, capri just broke the tie and immediately went after youngkal. That doesn't look like bussing to me based on this vote sequence, since it just allowed Mixy to cement youngkal's lynch and seal her fate. ​

 

[Animal Midwife]

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Unofficial Day 6 Do You Ever Tally, Just For the Fun of It?

Cray (7) - LIS, pippy, Weim, ny, capri, Snowy, Lawpy
LIS (1) - Cray
capri (1) - WZ
Weim (1) - Coop

10/10
lynch close in 1 hour
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[LetItSnow]

Time to start looking past Cray.

If Cray is wolf, good, great, we caught a wolf making a huge Rojo-level slip.

If Cray isn't a wolf.... I dunno where to go next. I'm probably going to start lynching quieter players just because it annoys me to lose to someone who ghosts or surfs under the radar, and if I'm going to risk losing I'd rather risk losing to someone who has played the hell out of the game and earned it. So Nyanko, Weim, Coop, Lawpy (in spite of the last few posts), Capri would be on my list. I'll probably ignore Pippy and WZ. Pippy, I think, had to have started village - I can't really make that tracking add up otherwise (unless Pippy is neutral or chaos). WZ... dunno...

 

[PippyPony]

Time to start looking past Cray.

If Cray is wolf, good, great, we caught a wolf making a huge Rojo-level slip.

If Cray isn't a wolf.... I dunno where to go next. I'm probably going to start lynching quieter players just because it annoys me to lose to someone who ghosts or surfs under the radar, and if I'm going to risk losing I'd rather risk losing to someone who has played the hell out of the game and earned it. So Nyanko, Weim, Coop, Lawpy (in spite of the last few posts), Capri would be on my list. I'll probably ignore Pippy and WZ. Pippy, I think, had to have started village - I can't really make that tracking add up otherwise (unless Pippy is neutral or chaos). WZ... dunno...

I think I would probably lynch capri next to get info on her seering of nyanko. Or lynch ny to get the same info on capri. Dunno which one I would start with. Possibly capri because then I feel like it would give me some better info on dubz and put my little internal panic theory about her to rest.

 

[PippyPony]

Oh, and I still think it was a little weird that Weim decided to PM me after tracking me. And I reeeaally did not like her D1 vote for Stella. Going for sketchy quiet noob who flipped village is sketchy.

 

[LetItSnow]

Oh. I forgot. I did promise to lynch Pippy next, though. Hrm.

Ugh.

This is why I hate end-game.

 

[LetItSnow]

Sure, I can lynch Capri next instead. I mean, like I kinda alluded to in my list... I don't really have a strong "leading" candidate.

 

[capri1722]

I think I would probably lynch capri next to get info on her seering of nyanko. Or lynch ny to get the same info on capri. Dunno which one I would start with. Possibly capri because then I feel like it would give me some better info on dubz and put my little internal panic theory about her to rest.

What other info do you want from me? A flip? I’m vanillager, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if I get lynched but if there’s anything else I can answer let me know.

Oh. I forgot. I did promise to lynch Pippy next, though. Hrm.

Ugh.

This is why I hate end-game.

You could always vote for Pips and everyone else lynch someone else. That way you’re still technically keeping your promise. 😉 Technically correct is the best kind of correct!

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe capri is my typical village tunnel of this game? Idk. I'm cool with the cray lynch. I'm not convinced that a single vote clears capri.

I feel like it would give me some better info on dubz and put my little internal panic theory about her to rest.

I want to know your theory!
We'll just keep eyeing each other with vague suspicion until we both die, it's fine.

 

[PippyPony]

I want to know your theory!
We'll just keep eyeing each other with vague suspicion until we both die, it's fine.

I'll tell you later. 😉

 

[WildZoo]

I'll tell you later. 😉

Fine, deprive me of laughter and joy

 

[LetItSnow]

What other info do you want from me? A flip? I’m vanillager, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if I get lynched but if there’s anything else I can answer let me know.

You could always vote for Pips and everyone else lynch someone else. That way you’re still technically keeping your promise. 😉 Technically correct is the best kind of correct!

Thing is, not all of my play is rational, yanno? I don't mind losing to Pippy. I mind losing to players who are just coasting. 🙂

 

[kaydubs]

Kaydubs wouldn't stand for it.

Oh you.

 

[Crayola227]

Apologies for the delay guys. I was actually reading this thread and try to parse things out but admittedly, I'm getting confused pretty easily based on the contradictions and distortions I'm seeing. This is probably due to inexperience, but I'll do my best to share my thoughts from my understanding.

So from the most recent tally, I notice that Cray's in the lead and I understand the reasons justifying her lynch. When I read her posts, I'm seeing several contradictions on some key arguments that I'm actually lost as to what she's trying to argue. As I mentioned this yesterday, I found this post interesting:

Specifically this part:



I just found this to be in sharp contrast to other players' arguments who want to focus on hunting down the original wolves. Cray also seems to be warning against trusting players in the "likely village" list too much. Later posts from Cray were discussing more about the quality of her reads, which led to some confusion such as:







The confusion was somewhat resolved by the following posts:





But even so, the fact that Pippy, LIS and others got confused by Cray's wording kind of speaks about Cray's presentation of important points. I don't know whether Cray is deliberately being confusing or is arguing in vague terms, but confusing the village isn't a good thing.

More importantly, Cray repeatedly argued her reads were accurate in response to the arguments saying that her reads were bad, but with her stance regarding conversion, it seems odd that she'd confidently village read anyone in the first place (especially considering she was warning against trusting players who are likely village). If anything, a more accurate statement would be to rank someone's wolfiness on a gradient (i.e. from most wolfy to least wolfy) with an assumption that anyone can be converted.

Yet despite all this, we get this unusual post from Cray:



Which happened before Allie actually flipped:



This striking confidence seems unusually out of place with her conversion stance, and in fact, can look like a wolf slip. Even if Cray is a villager, the delivery was out of place and led to confusion and questions as to how Cray knew of Allie's role despite being confirmed.

Basically, Cray's posts have problems with delivery and many players were confused by her reads and arguments. And I think this is a dangerous play, something which a wolf could do. .​

Honestly Lawper, you're still parroting.

It's only frakking confusing if you want to see that way.

It was past tense to try to emphasize that it was something I had been saying for days, that I leaned Allie as village, and not a last minute, hey look the person I think is village will flip village! and it wasn't a last minute feels, it was something I had thought for days

we tend to focus on these ideas of "sketchy" players, and that's great, but me cautioning us against trusting the "village pile" is in no way confusing or a contradiction

even when someone says, I'm sure they're village, it should be followed with a caveat or people will wonder if you're a seer or something

I also already said, they are totally biased to read what they want, there was nothing confusing about saying twice, look at all the players, and ask if I'm the wolfiest, that is called triage, friend

the fact that I was "certain" that Allie was villager did not mean I WAS CERTAIN she was

also, I already explained that cautiously you must choose to give more village lean to some people at some times or get no where

 

[Crayola227]

and no, from me, confusing play is in no way indicative of wolfing, which if you read, you would have taken note of

 

[WildZoo]

Man I was hoping to at least have the satisfaction of a wolf brag with a day like today...

 

[Crayola227]

believe it or not, I actually do "say things all along"

there might always be that caveat, "but I could be wrong"

but that's always true

I have the tinfoil hat on LIS, Pip, WZ is somewhat lower, then Coop, WM, Snowy (this list looks like the list I've had much so the game)

Lawper and Capri are eggs to crack

that's in order except I forgot you gotta kill lawp for sure

 

[Crayola227]

no wolf brag, you should have killed other players before getting to me

 

[LetItSnow]

It was past tense to try to emphasize that it was something I had been saying for days, that I leaned Allie as village, and not a last minute, hey look the person I think is village will flip village! and it wasn't a last minute feels, it was something I had thought for days

Super simple question, Cray:

Do you understand how what you said can be interpreted as incredibly sketchy?

 

[Crayola227]

I get that I'm now an egg, but you failed to read me, guys, or to listen on other mislynches

 

[Crayola227]

Super simple question, Cray:

Do you understand how what you said can be interpreted as incredibly sketchy?.

.

sure, but I knew it was going that way anyway, what I had was the satisfaction of saing I told you so at a point where I was right, not just monday morning qback right

 

[LetItSnow]

the fact that I was "certain" that Allie was villager did not mean I WAS CERTAIN she was

Then you should choose your words more carefully. Because if you say you're certain I'm going to interpret you as being certain. And if you walk your language back after-the-fact, expect to be called out for it.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm just irritated because while I'm not MVP, I play hard and I think there were better lynches ahead of me

 

[WildZoo]

..
sure, but I knew it was going that way anyway, what I had was the satisfaction of saing I told you so at a point where I was right, not just monday morning qback right

I'm not sure how that's worth getting lynched for...

 

[Crayola227]

Then you should choose your words more carefully. Because if you say you're certain I'm going to interpret you as being certain. And if you walk your language back after-the-fact, expect to be called out for it.
.

I guess, but that's why I said, "said" because I was referring back to ALL the many times I said I had her as villager (with the caveat)

 

[Crayola227]

I'm not sure how that's worth getting lynched for.....

face it, that's not actually why I'm being lynched thiwas long time coming

 

[Crayola227]

sit here and tell me I'm wrong, great, but you guys are frakking wrong too

good hunting

 

[LetItSnow]

..
sure, but I knew it was going that way anyway, what I had was the satisfaction of saing I told you so at a point where I was right, not just monday morning qback right

So you care more about saying "I told you so" than helping the village?

Because if you cared more about the latter, you'd be more cautious about your language. If you care more about the former, then I'm happy to lynch you any time.

 

[WildZoo]

..
face it, that's not actually why I'm being lynched thiwas long time coming

Maybe, but that comment is what pushed you ahead today, so if you want to talk about other people being better lynches ahead of you, or that we should have waited a few days, or whatever...that is the reason that you were lynched today.

 

[Crayola227]

I'll watch the wording next time, in fact, I'll have you guys help me prepare a speech

 

[WildZoo]

Dude this weird font is driving me insane

 

[Crayola227]

So you care more about saying "I told you so" than helping the village?

Because if you cared more about the latter, you'd be more cautious about your language. If you care more about the former, then I'm happy to lynch you any time.
..

no, i made a ****ing mistake in your eyes, I get it

 

[Crayola227]

my point is, if village is going to lynch you no matter what you say, then who cares

make your point then

 

[Animal Midwife]

Dude this weird font is driving me insane

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I thought I was the only one seeing it...
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[Crayola227]

Maybe, but that comment is what pushed you ahead today, so if you want to talk about other people being better lynches ahead of you, or that we should have waited a few days, or whatever...that is the reason that you were lynched today..

fair enough. Sealed my fate. I didn't think that was for sure, but poor wording

what about poor !!!!! puncuatoin

I got lynched for BS in MI too

 

[WildZoo]

my point is, if village is going to lynch you no matter what you say, then who cares

make your point then

If you want my advice, don't gloat about "knowing" someone was village. In general. Ever.

 

[LetItSnow]

Maybe, but that comment is what pushed you ahead today, so if you want to talk about other people being better lynches ahead of you, or that we should have waited a few days, or whatever...that is the reason that you were lynched today..

This is 100% true. I was by no means set on a Cray lynch until that comment.

But that comment just can't be ignored. If we ignored it and Cray is a wolf, we'd have the most egg on our face in .... well, probably since the Boba Fett is neutral scam.

 

[Crayola227]

what about capri's mistake?

LIS and pip have made tons of way skecthier mistakes in my view than a past tense word

 

[PippyPony]

Thing is, not all of my play is rational, yanno? I don't mind losing to Pippy. I mind losing to players who are just coasting. 🙂

Oh so you say NOW

I seem to recall you said the exact opposite last game right before you started the lynch that ended in my death 😛