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[Crayola227]

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Crayola, if you start this again, I'm going to move my lynch vote to you and park it there. Do you remember in the Michigan game when you thought this was the mechanic? And it turned out I was the village seer who was rezzed as...the village seer?

Not saying we shouldn't eventually look at meats, but right now that is a rabbit hole.

IIRC, Mel ended up wolf in that game? So it seems that I wasn't that far off the fact that I was totally convinced Mel-you-cowgirl was a rotten scenario.

My point isn't that VMH is evil or should be the main focus - but ffs, whenever someone seems to know more than they should, like calmly going to their death/lynch only to be rezzed later... village should question.

The fact that these mere observations or questions disturb you so greatly... I mean, I came off the hydra thing after making my point. I came off of VMH being a rezz after making that point. My new point was in response to Trilt, that in hindsight maybe VMH knew something. That's a new point. Made. Ready to drop.

My new point, is why all this bothers you so much. I will say for sure, I've definitely been bullied by wolves trying to get me quiet. They think they'll win either way if I end up dropping it or making a scene that gets me lynched.

This villager gives no fraks. The last time I "dropped a point" that no one wanted to hear it was that kcough was a wolf in that one game. So no, I'll make my point, thank you.

 

[VicariousAsparagus]

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Uh, if you are certain of a wolf you should lynch them!
What makes you certain of killer?!?

Killer has mostly been bandwagoning, was latched onto lawper, and hasn't deviated much. I also buy lawper's analysis of them.

As far as not lynching them just yet, as near as I can tell they don't coordinate wolf strategy: they just function as an extra bandwagon vote (I don't mean to disparage you, Killer!). While they're present, the 3 post a day rule forces them to give off things that function (for me) as known quantities for reading other players. Kill them off, and I lose a predicting variable, while gaining nothing. Their one lynch vote isn't likely to be critical when 20+ players are still alive.

Additionally, the fact that I'm unlikely to post the rest of the day plays a role (and if I do, it'll be in the company of 2 of Karabou's and mine college friends--you ain't seen crazy yet). If killer is as easy of a read and a lynch as I think, the best case scenario is my vote functions as a useless overkill vote to an established majority. Worst case, I lose my easy read.

I don't think there's much to gain by taking a sure shot this early in the game.

 

[kaydubs]

All you Knead Lynch Tally

Paws (1) - Cray
Snowy (1) - Trilt
Cray (1) - Pippy
Mel (1) - VAsp

4/21

Deadline 12am EST (~12.5 hours)

 

[vetmedhead]

@Trilt in hindsight one wonders if the reason @vetmedhead seemed to go too softly into that good night, was because she knew if she was lynched she'd be rezzed

that sorta wigs me out, and really makes me wonder about mechanics

Ew, no. I actually almost sent a PM to the mods asking to not be rezzed but didn't want to influence the rezzer's play in case they ended up lynched/dead before they could use their ability just because I had asked it not be used on me

Hardly my point. If Meats knew she would be back, I think it's valid to ask about it. Not sure it wouldn't be.

EDIT: Not sure why it wouldn't be.

 

[SkiOtter]

Lawper being village feels like the first bit of significance I have to go on. I like his/her list of potential wolves. I'm basically certain killer is a wolf, but they aren't pack leader, so there's no point in lynching just yet. Better to pursue lynches that might disrupt pack tactics or yield more information.

Cdoc raised my suspicions with the lengthy D2 post, but that could be down to different playstyles.

Mel was an early vote against law, but later switched after a significant number of people went against lawper. This seems like a clever idea as a wolf, as it would remove your name from the list of lynch votes against the vanillager. If he's a wolf, he may be playing a leadership role. Big, if true. Could be an honest switch though.

I have suspicions about others, but for now I'm willing to attribute those suspicions to personality rather than alignment.

I'm likely to be gone into Monday, so I'm going to cast my lynch now.

Lynch Mel

Killer has mostly been bandwagoning, was latched onto lawper, and hasn't deviated much. I also buy lawper's analysis of them.

As far as not lynching them just yet, as near as I can tell they don't coordinate wolf strategy: they just function as an extra bandwagon vote (I don't mean to disparage you, Killer!). While they're present, the 3 post a day rule forces them to give off things that function (for me) as known quantities for reading other players. Kill them off, and I lose a predicting variable, while gaining nothing. Their one lynch vote isn't likely to be critical when 20+ players are still alive.

Additionally, the fact that I'm unlikely to post the rest of the day plays a role (and if I do, it'll be in the company of 2 of Karabou's and mine college friends--you ain't seen crazy yet). If killer is as easy of a read and a lynch as I think, the best case scenario is my vote functions as a useless overkill vote to an established majority. Worst case, I lose my easy read.

I don't think there's much to gain by taking a sure shot this early in the game.

Okay but like I still don’t get why 1. You’re so sure killer is a wolf and 2. Why you wouldn’t lynch her today if you’re so sure. A wolf is a wolf. If you’re so positive that she’s a wolf why would you vote elsewhere on someone you just think maybe is one but you’re not “basically certain” about

 

[SkiOtter]

I really like this gif btw.

 

[capri1722]

Yeah I kinda like a snowy lynch after some ISO.

100% hedge

Throwaway, then no further pushing.

This caught my eye that day because it's... not necessarily the type of thing I think of a vanilla Snowy doing. Could be wrong, sure, but it pinged a little note in my head to consider her as wolf or PR. I'm suspicious that this game is very vanilla (as explained above), so it nudges a bit wolfy now that I'm tunneling. 😛


Wonder how many hedge gifs are out there?

Pushed a little, so mild points here. But I'm feeling Crayola as village leaning at this point (would be surprised at the LIS kill considering for once he was reading her villa) so, ehh....

Can you explain your nohika village lean? And precisely what pushed you to Mixy?


Pocket hedge?

Hedge and a bandwagon vote...

Lynch Snowy

Still not convinced on AM though. I've recently loved her playing because it's more aggressive and dgaf. I admit to not really reading Michigan game so maybe it's backed off, but there has been a whole lot of passivity so far.

Wait, what is hedging?

 

[Trilt]

Wait, what is hedging?

In this context, being non-committal with her reads.

 

[Crayola227]

I processed a lot of Egg's super-posts (I don't mind them, but I feel like the color coding was the worst part, once I ignored that, it was pretty readable).

Of course it's possible Mel's suspicion that it might be manufactured is right - but it does make me lean a bit more village. Or at least, feel better that I'm backing off and not voting there.

Still not sure on Paws or Trilt.

Considering switching to Snowy despite that, Trilt makes a helluva case.

 

[jaboo]

*****
Real life jboo makes a kick ass apple pie for Thanksgiving every year. My family almost rioted when I didn't want to make it this past year. Guess you wolves are never going to enjoy it

Good luck, village!
*****

 

[capri1722]

In this context, being non-committal with her reads.

Thank you. Your post makes a lot more sense now and rings some bells in my head because I remember hedging a lot as a wolf in the noob game (though of course didn’t know that’s what it was called).

Lynch Snowy

For now. Having a hard time reading the vets and the noobs either don’t post enough or read village to me.

 

[kaydubs]

All you Knead Lynch Tally

Paws (1) - Cray
Snowy (2) - Trilt, capri
Cray (1) - Pippy
Mel (1) - VAsp

5/21

Deadline 12am EST (~10.5 hours)

 

[PippyPony]

Non-game related lunch time update

(No quotes, photos will poof shortly)

*poof*

 

[bryndiana.jones]

So @killerleaf do you have any additional thoughts today on anyone you think might be a wolf?
Additionally, @Stella Mudd how about you? You were MIA all yesterday, and I don't want to vote you just because of that (because if it keeps up I think the mods will kill you), but do you have anything to contribute today?

 

[bryndiana.jones]

Looks beautiful! Have fun Pippy! Spaced out a bit lol

 

[PippyPony]

Looks beautiful! Have fun skiing!

(Pssst can you please un-quote?)

 

[PippyPony]

Thank you. Your post makes a lot more sense now and rings some bells in my head because I remember hedging a lot as a wolf in the noob game (though of course didn’t know that’s what it was called).

Lynch Snowy

For now. Having a hard time reading the vets and the noobs either don’t post enough or read village to me.

Um ok. Do you have a reason for voting Snowy? As in, do you think Snowy is being non-committal?

Because otherwise this looks like you're just hopping on to someone else's reasoning entirely.

 

[PippyPony]

IIRC, Mel ended up wolf in that game? So it seems that I wasn't that far off the fact that I was totally convinced Mel-you-cowgirl was a rotten scenario.

My point isn't that VMH is evil or should be the main focus - but ffs, whenever someone seems to know more than they should, like calmly going to their death/lynch only to be rezzed later... village should question.

The fact that these mere observations or questions disturb you so greatly... I mean, I came off the hydra thing after making my point. I came off of VMH being a rezz after making that point. My new point was in response to Trilt, that in hindsight maybe VMH knew something. That's a new point. Made. Ready to drop.

My new point, is why all this bothers you so much. I will say for sure, I've definitely been bullied by wolves trying to get me quiet. They think they'll win either way if I end up dropping it or making a scene that gets me lynched.

This villager gives no fraks. The last time I "dropped a point" that no one wanted to hear it was that kcough was a wolf in that one game. So no, I'll make my point, thank you.

Ok, and my point is that you are drumming up a whole bunch of distractions (see the bolded part) and it keeps people from effectively wolf hunting. So either you are doing that on purpose because you're a wolf, or you're doing it because you are cray cray. Either way it is going to start being detrimental unless you can focus.

 

[PippyPony]

Need to re-read, but lunch break is over so I am going back out into the frozen tundra. Hope to be able to get something more concrete out later.

 

[PippyPony]

So @killerleaf do you have any additional thoughts today on anyone you think might be a wolf?
Additionally, @Stella Mudd how about you? You were MIA all yesterday, and I don't want to vote you just because of that (because if it keeps up I think the mods will kill you), but do you have anything to contribute today?

I would also like to hear from these two, plus @cdoconn

 

[PippyPony]

With Lawper and Johna dead and also vanilla, I'd be surprised if this wasn't a completely (or so close to it it hardly matters) vanilla game with a lot of items. Heard of three so far which is a pretty decent amount for the amount of talking I've done.

I would also not be surprised if this was the case.

 

[Trilt]

I would also like to hear from these two, plus @cdoconn

Let's add some @Skyerien and @fromthebox too, if I may.

 

[Trilt]

@vetmedhead, did you get any particular flair with your rez notification? Or just, "yo, you're back now."

 

[Melchizedek]

A little bit of @Stella Mudd in my life
A little bit of @fromthebox by my side
A little bit of @cdoconn is all I need
A lot of Crayola is what I see
A little bit of @Skyerien in the sun
A little bit of @killerleaf all night long
A little bit of @finnickthedog here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man

People I/others want to hear from

Lynch Capri btw

 

[vetmedhead]

@vetmedhead, did you get any particular flair with your rez notification? Or just, "yo, you're back now."

There was some flair about a yeast smell, rising from the dead, and they changed my role name to a meat related baked good I think as a joke

 

[Animal Midwife]

Lynch Skye

I think it's time for me to start pressuring here.

 

[finnickthedog]

A little bit of @Stella Mudd in my life
A little bit of @fromthebox by my side
A little bit of @cdoconn is all I need
A lot of Crayola is what I see
A little bit of @Skyerien in the sun
A little bit of @killerleaf all night long
A little bit of @finnickthedog here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man

I almost don't want to lynch you again just for this.

But ultimately I still want to lynch you for the same reasons I had yesterday.

lynch mel

Cheezit aside, I'm looking at VA for his statement that he's so sure killer (was it killer?) is a wolf, but not voting there. Also, not sure about Eggo. Haven't been since her initial big reads post that didn't seem like her to me. Anyways, I'll be back later. I have to go be responsible and crap.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Quick response on my break. Will comment more later on the day after work. I'm looking at skye, mixy, and mel so far today. But I haven't iso'd many people. @Trilt I am always a hedger. You should know that's why I get lynched every single game. And yes, I would go to a coffee shop just to ww when I'm vanilla village 😛

 

[vetmedhead]

I would be okay with a sky lynch, a capri lynch, or a snowy lynch.

Lynch snowy for now since of the three I think they have given the least satisfactory response to lynch pressure in terms of addressing issues that have been brought up with her play.

Also, for reference, I do want to hear more from snowy about most of what was already brought up about Snowy's play, but I also want to hear more about:

Okay, truthfully didn't read cdo's pages because I don't have that kind of attention span.
Mixy is still up there on my list. But today I've been agreeing with more of her/his posts.
AM seems like herself today, so backing off that vote.
Bryndy is my manatee so I'm a little partial to her and don't really want to vote her right now, but can see why people are going there.
KL and VA have interesting posts that I can't decide are more villagey or wolfy.
Mel is starting to lean wolfy to me.
Pippy and Trilt go back and forth, but I'm wary of both of them most games.
Would like to see more from stella, allie, and ftb
Lawper seems like she/he is trying to make analysis and instead just stating known facts. Which rings noob wolf to me.

lynch lawper

The fact that most of your reads above are related to how much you like the person or how much you agree with them rather than your interpretation of their play style thus far

Lol when do you not want to lynch me mel? Don't ya know I'm just a lazy person? I've said similar things of crays long posts in the past and of other people's essay posts. I will read it later when I don't have pages to catch up on.

And the fact that your defense for being semi-asked about it was that you're just lazy and you'll get to reading better later

 

[vetmedhead]

I almost don't want to lynch you again just for this.

But ultimately I still want to lynch you for the same reasons I had yesterday.

lynch mel

Cheezit aside, I'm looking at VA for his statement that he's so sure killer (was it killer?) is a wolf, but not voting there. Also, not sure about Eggo. Haven't been since her initial big reads post that didn't seem like her to me. Anyways, I'll be back later. I have to go be responsible and crap.

Where is cdo? Somewhere in my brain I have developed the idea that extreme levels of effort posting is kind of in line with her general play style, but dropping off thread isn't usually her thing if I'm remembering right.

 

[Skyerien]

Lynch Skye

I think it's time for me to start pressuring here.

I know I don't post a lot but I've at least shared my dislike for ties - they don't help D1, lose too many villagers. Also, voted for killer because he continued D2 shenanigans that were unnecessary. I may be a ****ty player and villager, but at least I add to the villager head count against wolves and try to point out mal-behaviors such as what killerleaf pulled - and look where that got us. Another villager killed.

 

[SkiOtter]

Where is cdo? Somewhere in my brain I have developed the idea that extreme levels of effort posting is kind of in line with her general play style, but dropping off thread isn't usually her thing if I'm remembering right.

her thing is usually to say a bunch of sketchy things and put her foot in her mouth (ily eggo ) but I don’t really remember her dropping off the earth that much. I also don’t remember the big color coded reads list like she did yesterday. That being said, she hasn’t played a game in a while (and I also think I kinda guilted her into playing this one even though she was driving to school Friday and starting back at school Monday)

 

[SkiOtter]

Also, voted for killer because he continued D2 shenanigans that were unnecessary. I may be a ****ty player and villager, but at least I add to the villager head count against wolves and try to point out mal-behaviors such as what killerleaf pulled - and look where that got us. Another villager killed.

We’re going to lynch more villagers than wolves simply from a numbers standpoint.
(Also, killer is a she)

 

[SkiOtter]

Still sticking with a
Lynch Mel
Same reasons as the past two days.

Also, did you give a reason with your lynch @Melchizedek or just the song?

 

[Melchizedek]

Still sticking with a
Lynch Mel
Same reasons as the past two days.

Also, did you give a reason with your lynch @Melchizedek or just the song?

There's a dance too

 

[SkiOtter]

There's a dance too

So no stated reasoning. Got it.

 

[capri1722]

(redacted)

Nope, pretty sure you only exist as a cat laying on your back.

Um ok. Do you have a reason for voting Snowy? As in, do you think Snowy is being non-committal?

Because otherwise this looks like you're just hopping on to someone else's reasoning entirely.

Yes I do think their posts are non-committal and I do agree with Trilt’s assessment that they are hedging. Almost every post that Trilt quoted was “well this could be wolfy/village I guess maybe but also not?” so I jumped on that. As a wolf that means it’s easy for Snowy to go back and say “look I knew that person was wolf/village!”

A little bit of @Stella Mudd in my life
A little bit of @fromthebox by my side
A little bit of @cdoconn is all I need
A lot of Crayola is what I see
A little bit of @Skyerien in the sun
A little bit of @killerleaf all night long
A little bit of @finnickthedog here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man

People I/others want to hear from

Lynch Capri btw

Dang I get a lynch vote but I don’t make it into your song? Rude.

 

[Karabiner13]

D3 All you Knead Lynch Tally

Paws (1) - Cray
Snowy (3) - Trilt, capri, vmh
Cray (1) - Pippy
Mel (3) - VAsp, finn, kski
capri (1) - mel
skye (1) - AM

😏 A Tie! 😏

10/21

Deadline 12am EST (~9 hours)

 

[Melchizedek]

Dang I get a lynch vote but I don’t make it into your song? Rude.

Nope, because I've spent the past two days trying to get you to participate and show some effort via pressure in PM and on thread, the best you've given me is super-shallow reads. I was willing to overlook that as noob not being able to dig deep, but now the easy sheeping Trilt's logic makes me think you're a wolf.
@SkiOtter here's the dance


There's also a background theory I'm working on.

 

[vetmedhead]

I may be a ****ty player and villager

I just want to jump on this real quick and add that you're not a ****ty player. I know our games get a little heated and intense sometimes but I really don't want any of our players walking away from games feeling like they can't keep up or shouldn't play because they think they're horrible at this or that everyone hates playing with them or something. We really are out to have fun (and that means everyone having fun, not just a couple of people) and the intent is never to leave anyone with this feeling.

 

[SkiOtter]

Nope, because I've spent the past two days trying to get you to participate and show some effort via pressure in PM and on thread, the best you've given me is super-shallow reads. I was willing to overlook that as noob not being able to dig deep, but now the easy sheeping Trilt's logic makes me think you're a wolf.
@SkiOtter here's the dance


There's also a background theory I'm working on.

There we go! There’s a reason!!!! Literally all I was looking for and if you had already given one you could’ve said that or quoted it

 

[Melchizedek]

There we go! There’s a reason!!!! Literally all I was looking for and if you had already given one you could’ve said that or quoted it

Yeah but I just felt like being an ass

 

[SkiOtter]

Yeah but I just felt like being an ass

You always do.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I know I don't post a lot but I've at least shared my dislike for ties - they don't help D1, lose too many villagers. Also, voted for killer because he continued D2 shenanigans that were unnecessary. I may be a ****ty player and villager, but at least I add to the villager head count against wolves and try to point out mal-behaviors such as what killerleaf pulled - and look where that got us. Another villager killed.

How are you feeling about killer now?

 

[bryndiana.jones]

I really don't want any of our players walking away from games feeling like they can't keep up or shouldn't play because they think they're horrible at this or that everyone hates playing with them or something.

Edit: had to resize the gif multiple times, also I didn't know you could edit on mobile!

 

[capri1722]

Nope, because I've spent the past two days trying to get you to participate and show some effort via pressure in PM and on thread, the best you've given me is super-shallow reads. I was willing to overlook that as noob not being able to dig deep, but now the easy sheeping Trilt's logic makes me think you're a wolf.

A’right then, let’s try this.

VMH: Probs village because I don’t have to read past games to know a N1 conversion is basically unheard of. Also not 100% convinced she was rezzed village, so I’ll defer to the advice of (most) vets and save the convert hunting for later.
KL: Vaguely wolfy, but hard to tell since she doesn’t post much and didn’t post much on the noob game either, plus was killed early on so I’m less confident about my read on her than, say, Bryndy.
Mel: I remember in MI as I was following along I had you solidly village so now I’m like way over-suspicious of you, but I don’t want to lynch you with nothing more than a gut feeling, let alone from something outside this game.
Paws: No solid opinion. Could go either way.
AM: Like most people on the roster, I’ve never played with her before so I’m not sure what constitutes normal play for her, but I am kind of wary of her based on others saying she’s usually more aggressive.
KSki: Still a little uncomfortable with the hydra setup, but in the same box as VMH, a problem to deal with Later™.
Mixy: Seems to be playing very similar to her village-self in WWinter.
Allieh: No opinion again.
Cray: Probably village based on normal post volume and being…well, cray cray.
Trilt: Currently no opinion.
Pip: I want to say village but I’ve never seen her play wolf (noob game doesn’t count) so going with suspicious villager. Also I just noticed this, but why did you get moved down the roster?
Finn: I’m a little partial to my manator. Sue me. So to be on the safe side, also a suspicious villager.
Snowy: See lynch vote.
Stella: Hard to tell because post volume, but I’m still stuck on that super village post the other day. Leaning wolfy.
Skye: Seems villagey to me. Seems similar to last game, but IIRC was cut pretty early in WWinter like KL.
Bryndy: Strongest feelz so far and village.
Nohika: Leaning village but I would like to go back and read their posts.
Cdo: Also want to go back and read their posts, but no opinion yet.
VA: Was suspicious of the weird posts and the self-lynch, but seems to have leveled out. Still sketchy.
FTB: Not enough posts to form an opinion.

Better?

 

[nohika]

I just want to jump on this real quick and add that you're not a ****ty player. I know our games get a little heated and intense sometimes but I really don't want any of our players walking away from games feeling like they can't keep up or shouldn't play because they think they're horrible at this or that everyone hates playing with them or something. We really are out to have fun (and that means everyone having fun, not just a couple of people) and the intent is never to leave anyone with this feeling.

I will add, like VMH said it gets heated and sometimes yeah, feelings do get hurt. I've certainly had my fair share of strops over WW, especially when lynched as a villager. It annoys me to death. But, take a day, take deep breaths. You're not bad at this. Everyone has their own skillset and is good at specific things, and just because you're not "good" at the same things others are doesn't mean you're not good in general, or that you can't help or contribute.

But oh yeah I think it's definitely normal to sulk at least a little bit when things get heated in your direction, especially if you're a more Sensitive Human Being.

 

[Melchizedek]

Trilt: Currently no opinion.

....................You agree with her logic on Snowy......enough to place a lynch vote and stand by it..........but you have no opinion?

Anyone else going WTF?

 

[Trilt]

....................You agree with her logic on Snowy......enough to place a lynch vote and stand by it..........but you have no opinion?

Anyone else going WTF?

yes

But I question it being wolfy.

 

[capri1722]

....................You agree with her logic on Snowy......enough to place a lynch vote and stand by it..........but you have no opinion?

Anyone else going WTF?

Just because the logic makes sense to me doesn’t mean I’m totally convinced she’s not bussing a fellow wolf to get village cred.