WWildzoo Family Reunion - Game Thread

[Crayola227]

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idk I guess I'm not really seeing the AM votes. In fact, in the spirit of this game and the mods, I'll eat my hat (no actually, I'll eat @Karabiner13 's hat!) if AM turns out to be a bad guy

mmm here's the word, this feels like a strong vouch (a soft vouch being pushed hard)

why?

 

[Crayola227]

Funny, I seem to recall you being around pretty close to close because you asked me if I was going to switch my vote.


Have you ever wolfed with AM? If you have, I'm not sure you'd call this WIFOM.

The last time I did it, I was literally verbally poking, prodding, and shoving her onto the thread, to the point where I eventually started feeding her stuff to talk about and questions to ask people.

That's the reason why I feel less suspicious of her after re-reading stuff -- in my mind, the fact that she's being stubborn to the level she has been so far either means that she is probably a wolf, or whoever is villaging with her has even more energy than I do...and dubz and paws are not playing this game lol.

This point by Pippy on KC reads like dishonesty on the part of KC. LAL. Lynch all liars.

And Pip, gotta say that AM's style as a villager has changed, she's gotten a lot more vocal.

 

[Stagg737]

OK, not getting what you're getting at, here

genny is not a fan of bussing

also, if you're not getting at the idea that her choice was a villagery one, and it was in fact a wolfy one, and "not a throwaway" then why dig? Guys, this is the kind of thing that is actually fishy.

What I was getting at was that the language she was using was not consistent with what I thought she was expressing. I got the impression that her vote was initially a "just because"/mild feelz vote (which she later confirmed was minor feels). When I asked she said it was because she felt like it. Then when I asked why she didn't switch to someone she actually felt more strongly about she responded with this:

Because I didn’t think voting Caiter or Sporty or SAR would get a villager. I stuck with my convictions. Any reason you’re all up in my business after I voted to kill a villager?

So she implied it was a vote on a whim first, then in the follow-up response to me she said she stuck with her convictions? That along with the snarky defensiveness of the last line were the parts that bothered me because saying "convictions" implies a pretty strong belief. I wouldn't say something like that unless I saw someone's tell, formed some sort of analysis which gave me strong feelz, or believed the flip would give me new and useful info. I wanted to know if she actually saw something like this or learned something or if she was just operating off of unsupported feelz. If it was just weak feelz then I wanted to know why she wouldn't change to one of the leaders at the time (both of whom had 4+ votes to WM's 2).

When she said she thought they were wolves, I backed off because I didn't think she'd be sharing anything helpful without potentially revealing something unnecessary as I still read her as wolfy (even if I still don't like this exchange). If you find that fishy, then idk what to tell you other than I could have dug a lot harder if I were really trying to fish.

 

[Crayola227]

I voted because I had slight feels toward Weim, and then decided not to change my mind. I don't understand why this is so difficult a concept to grasp. I know I suck at being part of the uninformed majority usually, but sometimes I do have decent insight.

I agree except that you don't give yourself enough credit as a wolf

 

[Crayola227]

If she is a villager it wouldn't be useful to point out to everyone when conversion occurred. Unless she is a villager and conversion did not happen and she is confusing us. Also, voting herself mayor and then later saying she hates being mayor.. just sounds to me like a normal wolf.



But Kara is a mod.. do you really think she would just make herself as a cover role and not an actual role? And that would be a mighty big risk for caiter to use kara for a cover if she didn't have one.



*works at VCA and can't think of that acrynm as anything else 😛



Good thought.



That game is AM's life.

Most of this reads villagery to me. A lot of WIFOM and most of the stances taken don't make sense to me.

 

[Crayola227]

Okay reread some stuff and have some thoughts on yesterday. Prepare yourselves for a long rambling post:

In hindsight, her switching to Caiter after the info on thread was hella sketch so I can see how the ball got rolling on her after that move. The underlined made me nervous about Sportyspice, like it was a villager trying to save another villager.


This move though pushed Sporty more into wolf territory. Risky move at that point since she was still in the lead and Caiter was the next runner up.


This also pushed Sporty more wolf so I think I can move off the "weim was a less useful villager than sporty" theory I was floating earlier.


WTF with this vote. The last one before close, suuuper sketch/random.


OMG I quoted this thinking it was Cray who said it and was like how was Weim PMing both allie and Cray THEY ALL WERE VILLAGERS! But now I see the avatar got me, got me good. Leaving it in here just to admit my shame.


I agree with the other posters that the timing on the contingency was quick and not super substantial. I think if Caiter had flipped villager voting for Finn would have been more "reasonable" but allie's vouch was hardly a vouch and fairly last second. I can see the thought process behind the shelter votes now.

who was allie vouching for? I didn't think she was vouching for WM

 

[Crayola227]

OK, so what village would sit and watch Shelter get killed all day, having just lost a villager the night before?

good point I wish I had seen a lot earlier, but also would have needed to be awake, lol

 

[Crayola227]

I'd love it if we could get behind another candidate. I'm ok with killing glam, dolphin or stagg at this point.

genny, why is it that this totally reasonable position is coming from you with less than 20 min to close? something is not computing for me

 

[SportPonies]

Sporty was in the lead yesterday (thinking about KC's theory here) and had some weird timing and with MJ (sketch masons maybe? or something worse? it would be a heck of RNG'ing for them to be in a village (pack) this game, but you never know),

Games certainly have enjoyed shipping us lately.

 

[Crayola227]

Voting early =/= lazy day. That's a sheeping issue and happens even more frequently the longer people wait to do anything.

it might be a bit superstitious on my part to feel like my votes early in the day tend to doom whoever I voted for, regardless of what unfolds through the day

 

[Crayola227]

idk if this meets the Pipperoni Maximum Wolf®™ criteria for night cancel ability use. Strictly speaking, it was used during a lynch cycle, which is not recommended.

totally confused here

 

[Crayola227]

I see no reason for the time being not to believe Skim that there are 3 baddies that may not be part of the villagers, it doesn't do much harm since no matter what we will follow "if it isn't wolf it must die"

the only thing I can see a villager gaining from this is sowing paranoia (but is it really doing us harm?) and obviously they want 3rd parties dead, but so do we

I'm not saying we give Skim too much wolf cred for this supposed info drop, but I'm not sure what's so suspicious about talking the info for face value at them moment

to be clear, was the number 3 referring to all non-wolves, or only 3rd parties?

 

[Skimble]

to be clear, was the number 3 referring to all non-wolves, or only 3rd parties?

All non-wolves.

 

[Mad Jack]

this feels opportunistic of you

I'm not sly enough to be opportunistic in WW, you guys all really oversell every basic action I complete lol

 

[Crayola227]

I'm not sly enough to be opportunistic in WW, you guys all really oversell every basic action I complete lol

a man is what others think he is - Game of Thrones

edit: a man is what others say he is, and no more

 

[allieh8607]

Pip pro tip #2: don't talk about roles lol

Apparently bad things sometimes happen when you do that, or something? idk.

Lol. Anyone who wasn't born yesterday should have been able to tell who the write up was talking about. But I'm pretty sure you're just being sarcastic lol

okay so while I was various levels of consciousness today, I started a reads list.

I'm not a huge fan of the dolph lynch that started going today. I need to look back at it, but I feel like there possibly was a wolf villager on that. I don't have dolph as strong village wolf, but I think she's more likely village wolf than wolf village.

I have SAR on my strong village wolf read and of course I didn't write down why so I can't remember and probably need to go back and look. I know it was something besides post analysis. Someone said something somewhere.

I mostly have a list of probable wolves and no good village reads right now so apparently I need to work on that

Edit: this topsy turvy game hurts my brain
Double edit: usually I feel like I have a good read of Cray, and I'm not following/enjoying her last few posts as much as I usually do so that makes me feel weird.

There were literally 2 people on the dolphin kill- genny and I (unless I'm missing/forgetting someone that "unkilled" her at some point.... So between genny and I, which is the villager then?

Also I'll be waiting today for your reasons for having Sporty in your strong wolf leans.

mmm here's the word, this feels like a strong vouch (a soft vouch being pushed hard)

why?

No, not a vouch at all. It actually had to do with an item I had... I don't think I will find out the result of the item use though because of the lynch cancel, but I'm waiting to hear back from mods.

 

[genny]

genny, why is it that this totally reasonable position is coming from you with less than 20 min to close? something is not computing for me

Because I took a shower before lynch close and came back at 20 til. I just assumed there would be a wafflefest going on. I tried to start one, but no takers.

 

[SportPonies]

Also I'll be waiting today for your reasons for having Sporty in your strong wolf leans.

 

[allieh8607]

oops, I meant for having SAR in your strong wolf leans. I shouldn't WW that early in my morning.

 

[KCgophervet]

This point by Pippy on KC reads like dishonesty on the part of KC. LAL. Lynch all liars.

Since you didn't respond to my response to Pip I'm going to assume you saw there was no dishonesty involved. Perhaps a difference of opinion as to what constitutes "around close."

who was allie vouching for? I didn't think she was vouching for WM

She was Weim's PM partner and came out on thread yesterday with a very soft vouch for her (as opposed to Finn's more robust vouch for Caiter).

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm going to

Kill Snowy

for now but would prefer pressure kept on Glam as well

 

[SARdoghandler]

oops, I meant for having SAR in your strong wolf leans. I shouldn't WW that early in my morning.

Lol are you still riding on this boat? I felt better about you after I decided you and Weim were likely w/v but don't make my sketch vibes about you come back by still being on me

 

[Crayola227]

gonna keep this short as I need to sleep
mildly wolfy lean (still suspicious)
Stagg, Pip, Allie, KC

null
Glamm, Skim

mildly village lean
Sporty, MJ, Snowy, dolph, JB, AM

3 or 4 villagers/3rd parties feels kinda low, but with a starting crew of 20 I guess that's about the right ratio
and I guess my suspect list is long enough, but I'm sure that I'm wrong in my groupings above somewhere, in that who is "obviously sketch" to me and who seems the most trustworthy, well, it's rare to never be surprised in WW

at this point, I don't have strong feels on anyone in my village lean list except for AM, dolph, JB, Snowy, probably in that order, and I can talk myself out of voting AM as paranoia/she's mayor, dolph is the sacrificial noob (meaning, that poor person that is newer and just comes off nooby and can just become a sort of reflex lynch/kill, but then it's WIFOM and an egg), and JB and Snowy it's nothing specific, frankly no one is much more suspicious to me than background suspicion levels

 

[Crayola227]

kill dolph

I could have said Snowy, but given how I feel about AM at this point, I'm not sure that I want to add my vote to hers.

I think which way I go between anyone on my list of suspects above, will depend on what I wake up to and time I have to process and switch if need be

 

[allieh8607]

Lol are you still riding on this boat? I felt better about you after I decided you and Weim were likely w/v but don't make my sketch vibes about you come back by still being on me

Nope, not on the boat anymore. It's just trying to hold people accountable for doing things they say they're going to do. It's super easy for villagers to put someone in their strongly wolf leans so I'd really like to know her actual reasons why eventually.

 

[Animal Midwife]

gonna keep this short as I need to sleep
mildly wolfy lean (still suspicious)
Stagg, Pip, Allie, KC

null
Glamm, Skim

mildly village lean
Sporty, MJ, Snowy, dolph, JB, AM

3 or 4 villagers/3rd parties feels kinda low, but with a starting crew of 20 I guess that's about the right ratio
and I guess my suspect list is long enough, but I'm sure that I'm wrong in my groupings above somewhere, in that who is "obviously sketch" to me and who seems the most trustworthy, well, it's rare to never be surprised in WW

at this point, I don't have strong feels on anyone in my village lean list except for AM, dolph, JB, Snowy, probably in that order, and I can talk myself out of voting AM as paranoia/she's mayor, dolph is the sacrificial noob (meaning, that poor person that is newer and just comes off nooby and can just become a sort of reflex lynch/kill, but then it's WIFOM and an egg), and JB and Snowy it's nothing specific, frankly no one is much more suspicious to me than background suspicion levels

What about the other four players?

 

[finnickthedog]

Kill AM

Because I'm in class and nothing has really changed in that regard since yesterday so I'm going to stick with it for right now.

 

[jaboo]

I’m still very suspicious of AM, but I want to gather more data from that. I don’t want to kill the mayor especially if she was given an ability from it that would help the pack.

Kill Glamm

Based on some pocket-y vibes yesterday

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m still very suspicious of AM, but I want to gather more data from that. I don’t want to kill the mayor especially if she was given an ability from it that would help the pack.

Kill Glamm

Based on some pocket-y vibes yesterday

Can you clarify why you're suspicious of me now that shelter's dead?

 

[jaboo]

Can you clarify why you're suspicious of me now that shelter's dead?

Mostly from your gameplay being a little different than usual and seeming to be “stressed.” I keep getting flashbacks from when you were really stressed when you wolfed in a previous game (WW Party I think)

 

[Animal Midwife]

Mostly from your gameplay being a little different than usual and seeming to be “stressed.” I keep getting flashbacks from when you were really stressed when you wolfed in a previous game (WW Party I think)

But like in what way specifically? And where's the VCA?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Nope, not on the boat anymore. It's just trying to hold people accountable for doing things they say they're going to do. It's super easy for villagers to put someone in their strongly wolf leans so I'd really like to know her actual reasons why eventually.

Gotcha

 

[jaboo]

But like in what way specifically? And where's the VCA?

I don't know. I'm just getting stressed out.

Unlynch SAR
Lynch Weim

No but like, why are you stressed?

I forgot I hate being mayor.

Unkill Weim
Kill jboo

plz stop stressing me out

Re: VCA, my shelter theory was ruled out so that’s null and void. Otherwise, you’ve been notably been avoiding kill wagons.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Re: VCA, my shelter theory was ruled out so that’s null and void. Otherwise, you’ve been notably been avoiding kill wagons.

Still have no idea what your shelter theory even was. As for kill wagon, I only removed myself at the last minute and didn't jump on the easy counter. Why is that villagey? Also, I hope not being on the kill wagon isn't your only reasoning because... your voting record... *clears throat*

 

[jaboo]

Still have no idea what your shelter theory even was. As for kill wagon, I only removed myself at the last minute and didn't jump on the easy counter. Why is that villagey?

I fail to see how it was “easy” since we killed a villager from it.

Also, I hope not being on the kill wagon isn't your only reasoning because... your voting record... *clears throat*

Can you read? It’s not.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I fail to see how it was “easy” since we killed a villager from it.

You didn't ever see Sporty being a serious counter?

Can you read? It’s not.

You're being vague, so you need to clarify if there's more. You've misread me in every game we've played together so I'd like to actually understand what you mean. All I know is you said I'm v/v with shelter dependent on ~VCA reasons~ that are null now for other ~reasons~ but I'm still a villager because I wasn't on the village wagon EOD.

 

[jaboo]

You didn't ever see Sporty being a serious counter?

She was, but the fact is that your last vote was off of Weim and onto me.

You're being vague, so you need to clarify if there's more. You've misread me in every game we've played together so I'd like to actually understand what you mean.

Hence why I’m not voting for you. Yet. Because I know I’ve been historically bad at ending reading you.

ETA: autocorrect sucks

 

[Animal Midwife]

She was, but the fact is that your last vote was off of Weim and onto me.

And? Do you think that would have saved Weim? Should I have moved to SAR with you instead?

 

[jaboo]

All I know is you said I'm v/v with shelter for ~VCA reasons~ that are null now for other ~reasons~ but I'm still a villager because I wasn't on the village wagon EOD.

Since you want to follow my insanity, I’ll post it. But I’m putting it in spoilers because it’s probably unhelpful and has since been disproven.

Spoiler: disproven tinfoil

When Weim flipped villager, I thought maybe the votes for you may have been driven by you needing to be voted mayor to gain some of sort of ability to help the non-wolves. If shelter was a villager, that would solidify my theory. Shelter wanted to start a wagon onto you and Weim put the methaporical nail in the coffin to ensure you were mayor to help the villagers.

Eta: changed colors bc I can’t keep things straight

 

[jaboo]

And? Do you think that would have saved Weim? Should I have moved to SAR with you instead?

It might have, you saw the wafflefest

 

[Animal Midwife]

It might have, you saw the wafflefest

If the wafflefest was a true concern, why didn't you move to Weim yourself to prevent it?

 

[jaboo]

If the wafflefest was a true concern, why didn't you move to Weim yourself to prevent it?

Hindsight is 20/20. I wasn’t convinced on Weim. Obviously I was wrong.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hindsight is 20/20. I wasn’t convinced on Weim. Obviously I was wrong.

Do you see the double standard here?

 

[jaboo]

Do you see the double standard here?

Yep, I do. That’s why it’s only a portion of my suspicions.

You’re deconstructing only parts of my arguments and forgetting the grey area of this game. It’s collecting multiple data points and trying to make sense of them.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yep, I do. That’s why it’s only a portion of my suspicions.

You’re deconstructing only parts of my arguments and forgetting the grey area of this game. It’s collecting multiple data points and trying to make sense of them.

Well, I could point out the important grey area of VCA. i.e. Where was I during the times before your vote? What arguments did I make? Who was I defending? There are more than three minutes to a cycle.

 

[Crayola227]

What about the other four players?

I listed them into a certain group, and then deleted them

the rationale being that I decided I didn't need to shout to the heavens who I had in a strong wolf category, and thereby draw up at a glance a day lynch list for the villagers tonight should they be so inclined

I figure the lazy folk wouldn't notice and maybe don't need to, the ones paying close enough attention likely put it all together without me saying anything

it sucks in a game where my strongest feels are for the good guys, because yes, as you always say you want to create a circle of trust, however it feels like Fight Club, the first rule of the circle of trust is don't talk about the circle of trust, you will just create paranoia talking about trust, or it seems like it just gets those people killed thereby ruining the circle of trust

 

[Crayola227]

She was, but the fact is that your last vote was off of Weim and onto me.


Hence why I’m not voting for you. Yet. Because I know I’ve been historically bad at ending you.

Fruedian slip?

 

[jaboo]

Well, I could point out the important grey area of VCA. i.e. Where was I during the times before your vote? What arguments did I make? Who was I defending? There are more than three minutes to a cycle.

Fair point, but times of panic/stress is where you really get insight into a player. Because they’re not thinking as clearly and thoroughly.

Wow this got really philosophical.

 

[Crayola227]

Since you want to follow my insanity, I’ll post it. But I’m putting it in spoilers because it’s probably unhelpful and has since been disproven.

Spoiler: disproven tinfoil

When Weim flipped villager, I thought maybe the votes for you may have been driven by you needing to be voted mayor to gain some of sort of ability to help the non-wolves. If shelter was a villager, that would solidify my theory. Shelter wanted to start a wagon onto you and Weim put the methaporical nail in the coffin to ensure you were mayor to help the villagers.

Eta: changed colors bc I can’t keep things straight

This tinfoil seriously occurred to me as well, but remove any mention of shelter. This tinfoil can stand on its own.

 

[jaboo]

Fruedian slip?

Hahaha, no. Autocorrect. Will edit!