WWildzoo Family Reunion - Game Thread

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After this game is over, I'd like brainstorming from y'all about how you would talk yourself out of a lynch avoidance when you're a good guy and see if you have any better ideas.
Step one: if you have an avoidance, don't mention it about 30 seconds before lynch closes and the uninformed majority wastes a lynch on you. Unless you're part of the informed minority, in which case, keep it secret as long as possible.
 
Contingency lynch glam

If this is an Alpha bad guy leading us into another wasted cycle, I will be sad. Only one way to find out though, unless there’s a vig somewhere.

Edit for bad guy clarification
 
Sorry I was MIA for the later half of today. Didn’t intend to be.

Unfortunately don’t think I would’ve switched off glam even with that last second reveal. I’ve had a “lynch” avoidance type role twice I believe once as a good guy and once as a baddy. Except the time I was the baddie I waited closer to close of lynch and it was bc I was alpha and so that was the best valid ability I had. But as a good guy I revealed clos-ish to the deadline, don’t remember specifics, it didn’t save me lol. I want to lean more towards the baddie side. But unfortunately like you said earlier most peeps will advise to kill you again...so I’m not sure even if I kinda thought you were a good guy it would do a whole lot of good..
 
Also, just because I'm curious and you claimed to be Ski's PM partner, does that mean if your PM partner dies you just end up sad and alone? You don't get a new one when another person dies?

Yes, can speak from experience, that is exactly what it means 🙁
 
Who would you have preferred people elect, and why is AM a worse choice than someone else? Just because you feel like you individually can read another player better than you can read AM?

I feel like you've been pushing this paranoia all game, but backing off whenever you are getting questioned about it, and the flip-flop is starting to weird me out a little
actually, AM is one of the players I feel I can read

but her going for mayor and everyone getting behind that weirded me out

I don't see how I'm backing off it except that I haven't voted there yet.
 
actually, AM is one of the players I feel I can read

but her going for mayor and everyone getting behind that weirded me out

I don't see how I'm backing off it except that I haven't voted there yet.

Majority doesn't mean everyone. Let's not exaggerate.
 
But if said four are in your circle of trust already, by specifically leaving only them off the list, you're drawing even more attention than if they had been put on.
well Jesus I thought it would just slip past people's notice... and I hardly think that's nefarious on my part

I dunno, one game I said who I thought was village and it was WZ and also AM I think I believe, that said to be careful about saying how wolfy someone is because once that consensus is reached in the pack about a player if they are indeed a wolf the villagers have a habit of killing them, and I've found that to be exactly true in my experience
 
well Jesus I thought it would just slip past people's notice... and I hardly think that's nefarious on my part

I dunno, one game I said who I thought was village and it was WZ and also AM I think I believe, that said to be careful about saying how wolfy someone is because once that consensus is reached in the pack about a player if they are indeed a wolf the villagers have a habit of killing them, and I've found that to be exactly true in my experience

It really doesn't if those four are specifically omitted. Also, I never said that.
 
^look, I play so infrequently on my computer that this quote was still saved in my "insert quotes" button



...why, exactly? This feels kind of weirdly preachy, and I don't see the purpose of this post, other than just to say something for the sake of saying something


What is/was unsatisfying about Snowy? I didn't think you had mentioned her prior to this post


Ok but this is my point -- I don't think it's a particularly good idea to be clearing people based off of abilities.


Why do you think this, again? Do you have any reasons behind why you think dolphin is a
wolf?


Solid. lol


Can you clarify this post? Why is Skim a better candidate for reading you than anyone else might be?

This feels kinda pocket-y
I don't know that it's pocket-y when I'm not being at all subtle about it, and coming out and saying exactly why I hope that Skim and I are on the same team when we play.

I shouldn't point out that I think I've won every game I've played as a villager, AND by making it to lylo (I do NOT want to talk about that one game, I forgot about the exception for a reason). That may not be true in one or two cases. You know what was true every time that happened? Skim was the only player that read me right every single time I was a baddie and she played. Not sure if she also had me right as a spectator or not. Not only that, she's generally been the player most confident in reading me as wolf when I've been wolf. She's however-many-to-zero on reading me in every game I've played with her IIRC. More frustratingly is that when I've been a baddie she hasn't been able to articulate how she knows, so I don't know how to adjust my play/tells/meta to fool her so far. Obviously this has made an impression on me because I have done well as a baddie, and also because people seem to like killing me when I'm a wolf more than when I'm a villager, and guess what? I'm a wolf more often than not.

I mused in a past game that the only way this is going to screw me as a wolf, is if she's a villager that wants to pocket me or use this ability of hers to lead a night kill against me.

Yeah, if I'm a villager than this is all pocket-y you can argue if you want. But wolves can have positive things to say about each other and hope to create a bloc all the time and that's normal. It's only bad behaviour if someone is bad.
 
It really doesn't if those four are specifically omitted. Also, I never said that.
Then it was Dubz. And I think she said it right before someone I proclaimed as wolf died. You were in on that game. So was Pip, I believe. I could dig it up but I don't care. It's a point that makes logical sense to me, and I'm not going to apologize that I didn't specifically comment on 4 people that each I've already left thoughts on in the thread. I don't owe anyone read boxes and I don't owe anyone commenting on every single player within one. I give more thoughts and transparency on how I feel about players and my motives, rationales than most. The rest of you are cryptic af and can get off my ass.

I'd like to see each of you comment on how you feel about every other single player in a semi organized fashion. Going to tell me to get bent? Well there you go. Looks like my work is done bitches.
 
I'll clarify that to me pocket-y is subtle emotional manipulation. If it's not subtle, then I guess I figure it's more wolfy than villagery, but I can see how that's WIFOM. It's true that manipulation is less effective when it's obvious. If I wanted to be villagery manipulative I would definitely be more soft touch. I usually catch villagers when they're not being subtle enough.
 
I'm confused. Do you think jboo is villagery? Or have you just been questioning her because she was on at the same time you were? Lynch cancel seems like a very wolf ability (and blah blah I realize it could be any affiliation, but some are just more wolf then others)



I explained my stagg vote yesterday.
I had jboo as village lean, mostly because of the posts of hers that I quoted that I think read as... I can't recall. Manipulation? It's on the thread.

However, I didn't take into account her day lunch cancel ability, becuz ya know, Alzheimer's. Now I'm torn.
 
After isoing a few of my questions. Skim has only made 14 posts and the large majority of them are just floof.

Kill Skimble

Still good with a stagg or glam kill. Also becoming suspicious of cray... as a few people have already brought her up. Still don't know with her and AM's back and forth D1 though. kc is hard for me to read and dolphin is sketch but may just be due to noobness. So those guys can stay on my neutral-leaning village list.
Why does other people bringing me up make me sketch in your eyes? That reads like village reasoning on picking an easy night kill target, FYI. It's cool if there's some other reason than "it looks like the vote could swing that way if it gets pushed."
 
Remember how I was in Pokemon? (I think you played that.) I'm ending up with the same type of thing here where I'm on more in the evenings.

I get where some of the votes on me might be to get me to post more, but otherwise I'm not sure why I'm the target.

My personal reads so far -
Good guy
SAR
- Strongest read for me because of vote evidence. Second on weim and someone weim voted to kill long before she was in the lead
AM - closer reset to regular tone. Also, when I think about it more, I don't think a bad guy would have tried for mayor unless they had a seer immunity like weim.


Bad guy
MJ
- agree with what other people said about riding the bss. Wasn't last on Weim, but late enough that it's not a lot of good-guy cred. Haven't heard much from them since.
johnaboo - They seem much more active today when there's only been soft pressure. There's been equivalent pressure on me (possibly stronger, with the votes) and look how long I took to show up. I also think it's weird to use the lynch cancel as soon as the good guy who can selectively invalidate it is dead. The two-day justification doesn't make much sense to me - this isn't a protection ability where using it will convince the bad guys to choose another target, and you're nearly guaranteed to save a good guy on any night you choose.

Thought leaders
Pippy
and Cray are in a special category for me because I feel they've been driving a lot of the discussion. I don't think both of them are bad guys, but I could easily see a bad guy behind one of them since both of them know how to power wolf.

Cray - late to the bus on weim and helped start the bus on shelter. That, plus me disagreeing with their positions more than usual (albeit mostly the mayor discussion), has me worried about cray

@PippyPony - out of curiosity, why didn't you vote for me earlier today? I was your vote yesterday, and you're good enough at reading me that I'm pretty sure you'd be pushing me harder if you thought that I was sketch.

Technically, I view AM as a thought leader on the thread as well, but she's in my good-guy lean for seeking mayor.

Miscellaneous threads
IIRC, Sporty was vouched for by @Mad Jack as someone we should not lynch. MJ, is that still true?

I think Caiter was vouched for by someone as well, but I can't remember who. Either way, I'd rather wait and see how her sub does before judging. @Caiter92, hope your kid feels better soon!
I like this lots. And I am starting to get worried about Pip. I sorta gave her a lot of wolfy cred not for being vocal (she usually is so that's null) but because she seems less gleeful (yep, that's my village meta on her summed up to just one word). I'm starting to rethink that because I too am wondering what are the chances that we're both wolves this game.
 
I've given some reads, and if you iso'd my posts, you should see some.

Again, I think AM is wolf, and I don't see why people keep voting there.

I usually have a better read of cray, but some of her posts directed at me felt kind of pockety, and it makes me really uncomfortable. In the past she's been quick to lynch me when she was a good guy.

I'm not sure how I feel about the vouches for caiter and sporty. It's easier to lie in pm vs on thread.

I think jboo is also wolf based on the proven ability that is definitely detrimental to the village and helpful to wolves.

So that leaves... everyone else that I'm just not sure about. I'm hesitant to lynch glam, because I feel she's getting lynched for the same reason that you are voting for me, and that is decreased post quantity and quality based on time available. I also play this game a lot on feels, without concrete reasons, and that seems to bother some people. That said, I'm going to...

Kill Kc

Which pains me in some ways because I like her a lot as a player, just something feels a bit off.
I have a particular way that I intentionally pocket people when I play as village. AM probably knows what it is. But point taken.

I think you're right about Glamm.

I don't feel like voting you because you haven't done anything that raises alarm bells for me, others have, I've listed them and what they have done to make me feel that way.
 
Contingency unkill glamm
Contingency kill cray

Sorry cray. Love you, but your logic isn’t jiving with me this game, and I’m wavering between being concerned about an alpha situation with glamm, and glamm actually being a good guy with a kill avoidance because dubs and KB will do things like that of course.

Also still kind of hoping for a vig kill
 
I may be overcompensating for it, but it seemed like a lot of the arguments against dolphin were based on her misunderstanding something Caiter said (about what happened in a previous game). Reading through the weim/caiter/sporty/sar voting it became more clear to me at least that dolphin was referring to a different game than what others were referring to and it all just reads like a big nooby misunderstanding. So for some reason that pushed her into wolfy territory for me because I could definitely see myself digging that hole and getting killed for it.

While explaining this though I realize that it probably should have landed her more in null zone for me than wolf since I don't really have anything positive for her other than I disagree with the thought processes that were making her villagey.
I didn't care about misremembering a game, even when AM did it mainly my issue was that it seemed like she was being stubborn in conceding a point I made about past games, maybe because it makes her look bad, or maybe I'm just annoyed. Point is, it takes a little more for me.

Dolph has just come off.... I hate to use the word, but obsequious. That's different than spacey, nooby, even a different flavour than buddy-buddy. I don't know her meta. Just my issue with her isn't so much misremembering a game, but like almost using it as a "woe is me" pity kind of thing.
 
I stopped playing for 6 months. Apparently I missed an inside joke during that time?

Don't worry about it
......and this is what drives my FOMO, and what I hate about taking breaks from WW. Like, inside jokes are cool. Not explaining and including your friends who missed out in on the jokes, not cool. I don't care that inside jokes are less cool when people explain them.

Plus, most inside jokes go over my head even when I'm there when they happen.
 
Contingency unkill glamm
Contingency kill cray

Sorry cray. Love you, but your logic isn’t jiving with me this game, and I’m wavering between being concerned about an alpha situation with glamm, and glamm actually being a good guy with a kill avoidance because dubs and KB will do things like that of course.

Also still kind of hoping for a vig kill
Cray has been making sense to me this game, but only in random spurts. I feel like when she's a wolf, she never makes sense and I end up ignoring most of what she has to say, but discounting it as noise. So I'm reading her as village so far, fwiw.
 
I stopped playing for 6 months. Apparently I missed an inside joke during that time?
Dubz's hat is very inaccurate; it gets eaten quite frequently. Kara's hat has yet to be eaten; it is a much more accurate hat. If you have to pick a hat to eat, try Kara's as you will be less likely to have to choke it down.
 
I think AM comes across as rather wolfy, at least for days 1 and 2. I haven't really reassessed after that. I don't understand why people keep voting for her. Her last-minute Weim waffle seems WNL, and a very measured approach given that both Caiter and Sporty were safe at that time.
 
After this game is over, I'd like brainstorming from y'all about how you would talk yourself out of a lynch avoidance when you're a good guy and see if you have any better ideas.

I did it once, I think, it was weird. I didn't even reveal early on. I think what people said about a more tempting target coming along is a thing.

I don't plan on voting there.

But why

Yes, can speak from experience, that is exactly what it means 🙁

It depends on what kind of "PM partner" you had. Masons, lovers, etc where the roles are actually linked, then no. If there is some other mechanism (neighbours, where a PM partner is just based on proximity in the roster or some such) then usually you do get another.
 
I should make a grammar WW with semicolons and the Oxford comma as power village roles because they're both badass.

This was 25 minutes ago. :arghh::arghh::arghh::nailbiting:
Oh, I didn't feel like posting again, figured it was self explanatory that results would be going out once 10 minutes passed
 
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Just as long as you realize you're the reason why my Tuesday patients all have a doctor who keeps stifling yawns during their routine physical exams.
Well see, maybe you need to work on your self control 😉
*decides to write lengthy writeup instead of the short one she was planning*
 
Day 4

Things had stagnated a bit at the reunion. Where was the fury? Where was the bloodshed? It seems someone decided it was time to shake things up.

PLEASE NOTE CHANGES TO PMs. MAKE SURE YOU ARE CHATTING IN APPROPRIATE PLACES.

Meanwhile, one member of the modding branch of the family was hunting down another guest, intent on making sure her true colors would not be hidden. But before she got there, she was strung up in a tree. I'm saying I could probably find a decades old sandwich at Chernobyl that would be more fit for consumption.

Dead is @SportPonies who was Trilt, a wolf with the ability to remove any illusions from a player each day

Also welcome @capri1722, who will be stepping in for @Caiter92.


It is now Night 5. Deadline is 10pm EST.

Family Members:

1. @Mad Jack
2. @allieh8607
3. @Animal Midwife
4. @dolphin106258
5. @SARdoghandler
9. @johnnaboo
10. @SnowshoeDog143
11. @finnickthedog
12. @capri1722 (formerly caiter)
13. @PippyPony
14. @genny
15. @kcoughli
16. @Stagg737
18. @Crayola227
19. @Glammyre
20. @Skimble

Dead:
Skiski - Kaydubs, vanilla wolf
Weim - STL, ninja
Shelter - Sporty, designated survivors
Sporty - Trilt, illusion remover
 
Cray has been making sense to me this game, but only in random spurts. I feel like when she's a wolf, she never makes sense and I end up ignoring most of what she has to say, but discounting it as noise. So I'm reading her as village so far, fwiw.

I get this WW, and it's OK to be mean, and I shouldn't say anything because I've been giving people a hard time for the emotional stuff, plus being a jerk in general to everyone this game.

I really want to dispel this myth that wolfy Cray never makes sense. Especially because I've sadly realized why it is that people say I don't make sense, and why recently people have been saying I make more sense, and that's for sure been due to in real life medical issues. Which isn't to say that affiliation related observations in "how much sense" I make have nothing to them. It's true that for some players playing as informed minority makes them sound... well, more informed and therefore maybe more sensical than when they are the majority in the dark.

I get it if you think my play is better as a villager, or that I make more sense. But totally trashing my wolf game is really unnecessary to making clear what your point on me is, and frankly doesn't give me the credit that I actually deserve, and if you don't agree with any of my opinion on that, what we can't argue is that it genuinely hurts my feelings to be treated like the village idiot. Some of you might not understand me but I'm better and smarter than you think.
 
Majority doesn't mean everyone. Let's not exaggerate.
yes, because when I said everyone I was clearly meaning to exaggerate, because I thought the lie that it was every single person out of the 20 we started with, was totally gonna fly and get me somewhere with a villagery agenda, I can't believe I didn't get that one past the wolf pack in my master plan 🙄

good catch

I meant all the people who did get behind it, and there were a lot
 
I get this WW, and it's OK to be mean, and I shouldn't say anything because I've been giving people a hard time for the emotional stuff, plus being a jerk in general to everyone this game.

I really want to dispel this myth that wolfy Cray never makes sense. Especially because I've sadly realized why it is that people say I don't make sense, and why recently people have been saying I make more sense, and that's for sure been due to in real life medical issues. Which isn't to say that affiliation related observations in "how much sense" I make have nothing to them. It's true that for some players playing as informed minority makes them sound... well, more informed and therefore maybe more sensical than when they are the majority in the dark.

I get it if you think my play is better as a villager, or that I make more sense. But totally trashing my wolf game is really unnecessary to making clear what your point on me is, and frankly doesn't give me the credit that I actually deserve, and if you don't agree with any of my opinion on that, what we can't argue is that it genuinely hurts my feelings to be treated like the village idiot. Some of you might not understand me but I'm better and smarter than you think.
Oh I think my wolf and village may be backwards, because I totally meant that as complimentary. I meant that I can’t read you worth beans when you’re a bad guy because I wrongly underestimate you. But when you’re a good guy, I find you are very insightful. And this game, I have have been finding that you’ve been insightful, so I am more inclined to trust you. You could obviously be completely pulling the wool over my eyes, but I am more inclined to believe we’re on the same team this game.
 
Oh I think my wolf and village may be backwards, because I totally meant that as complimentary. I meant that I can’t read you worth beans when you’re a bad guy because I wrongly underestimate you. But when you’re a good guy, I find you are very insightful. And this game, I have have been finding that you’ve been insightful, so I am more inclined to trust you. You could obviously be completely pulling the wool over my eyes, but I am more inclined to believe we’re on the same team this game.
Why are you still awake? 😱
 
Cray, I apologize if you took any of that as mean. I didn’t intend it that way. I do think you are good at WW, and I only meant to point out that I’m reading you as wolf (good guy) this game, and that I don’t see why people have been voting for you thus far.
 
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