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There is an emergency coming in, and there is a chance I won't get back before close. I guess I'll go with my gut from yesterday, though I was hoping to see how discussions went today and peoples thoughts about this neighbor switch up.

Lynch KC

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kill dolphin

I'm in class and I honestly don't know when I'm going to be home tonight. Should be before night ends but might end up cutting it close.

I just keep coming back to this line...



It just sounds villagery to me. I put it on a back burner because I had started getting a wolfy vibe from several of her posts before that but it's been in the back of my mind.
And I feel slightly better about AM today so I'm not going to vote there again right now.
Seems sound

Kill dolphin
 
Okay I’m in the middle of life but I will come back later. So for my good guys currently I’ve got in no order AM, genny, SAR, Pippy (even tho silently I don’t always trust), Capri/Caiter and Finn. Hopefully I’m not majorly wrong on these folks.

Stagg and Allie are leaning more towards the good guy column but not as definitive in my mind.

MJ, snowy and skim I have as big ol question marks especially MJ. And jboo and KC are my bad guy peeps that I have genuine feels, tin foil theories, and have felt things off in their posts (that one is more towards KC).

Kill KC

Might change later but that’s where my brain is at.
 
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kill dolphin

I'm in class and I honestly don't know when I'm going to be home tonight. Should be before night ends but might end up cutting it close.

I just keep coming back to this line...



It just sounds villagery to me. I put it on a back burner because I had started getting a wolfy vibe from several of her posts before that but it's been in the back of my mind.
And I feel slightly better about AM today so I'm not going to vote there again right now.
I feel like when you read my whole post (which I know you have) it sounds less sketch but i get where you’re coming from. I just like to have sound defenses baddie or good guy, bc I find I can catch others in falsehoods when I can properly defend my position. But that definitely doesn’t mean you can’t find me sketch, just wanted to try and explain my thought process.
 
I'm supposed to be asleep and my head is pounding.

I'm not ready to move/not sure I will, but Dolph, why do I feel like mine is the only name you didn't mention? Or did you leave others off?

This won't make sense and it's paranoid as hell, but since I'm the centre of my own universe... when I am a good guy, when other people go after me or suspect me for no good reason (and when I'm a good guy there is no good reason, lol), then I think it is because they are a baddie using me as cannon fodder. OTOH, when other players seem to be "avoiding me" or avoiding conflict with me, it also starts to make me wonder.

I'm side eyeing dolph here. Also Stagg by the same principle.
 
I'm supposed to be asleep and my head is pounding.

I'm not ready to move/not sure I will, but Dolph, why do I feel like mine is the only name you didn't mention? Or did you leave others off?

This won't make sense and it's paranoid as hell, but since I'm the centre of my own universe... when I am a good guy, when other people go after me or suspect me for no good reason (and when I'm a good guy there is no good reason, lol), then I think it is because they are a baddie using me as cannon fodder. OTOH, when other players seem to be "avoiding me" or avoiding conflict with me, it also starts to make me wonder.

I'm side eyeing dolph here. Also Stagg by the same principle.
Whoops....Cray. I promise it was not intentional, I’m running on little sleep, not that it’s an excuse. Most of your posts have made sense to me so therefore I have you leaning good guy, the only time I really didn’t, was towards the beginning with the discussion around you and AM. Ultimately I decided you and AM were in a good guy vs good guy going on. Totally could be wrong on one or both of those counts but that’s what I got. Again didn’t meant to forget...😳
 
Not particularly interested in the dolphin vote or the people on it.
 
So typically shutting PMs down is considered a villagery ability, except that in the noob game we saw M935 (my beloved noob) create an item to shut down informed minority PMs. I don't know if it only shut down pack PM or all PMs that game that cycle.

I don't know the official name, but "PM masher up" is a bit more grey area because on one hand, it disrupts lines of communication and that is part of a villagery agenda to sow distrust and such. OTOH, it can open up new lines of communication and potentially disrupt pockets that have formed. So as far as abilities go it can go either way.
 
Not particularly interested in the dolphin vote or the people on it.

Cool?

You don't think it's mildly concerning that Sporty was vouching for her, and now Sporty is dead?

Confused. AM, were you answering someone in saying you weren't interested, or is this just like an announcement to the class?

Also, Pippy, are you saying that Sporty was vouching for Dolph, and now Sporty is dead? And if so, why is that concerning?
 
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Cool?

You don't think it's mildly concerning that Sporty was vouching for her, and now Sporty is dead?
You’re saying bad guy me would kill the person vouching that I’m a good guy...? Maybe I’m missing some other train of thought with my lack of sleep.
 
Also, Pippy, are you saying that Sporty was vouching for Dolph, and now Sporty is dead?
Yes. She said it wasn't a hard vouch, and with her role flip, I'm wondering if she looked into Dolphin and didn't see any illusions or whatever, and decided that she was ok

And if so, why is that concerning?
Because if someone who has a power role tells someone else they have a power role, and then the person with the power role turns up dead right after saying "I trust this person!", that is kinda sketchy and warrants some investigation, in my mind
 
I feel like when you read my whole post (which I know you have) it sounds less sketch but i get where you’re coming from. I just like to have sound defenses baddie or good guy, bc I find I can catch others in falsehoods when I can properly defend my position. But that definitely doesn’t mean you can’t find me sketch, just wanted to try and explain my thought process.
Ehhhhh I guess but typically bad guys are more concerned with appearing defensible and such. Good guys can spout whatever they want (within reason). Idk I kinda think it's like the saying "truth is stranger than fiction." Villagers are sketchier than wolves I guess?
(Let it be known I obviously do not believe that as a hard and fast rule, but there have also been times when some wolves were the villageriest villagers to ever village. Dubz.)
Cool?

You don't think it's mildly concerning that Sporty was vouching for her, and now Sporty is dead?
Ok so maybe I'm just not making the connection here. Why would Sporty soft vouching for Dolphin and then turning up dead make Dolphin more sketch? I could see the reverse scenario if Sporty thought Dolphin was sketch. (Saw this was answered later but I'm leaving it.)
Because if someone who has a power role tells someone else they have a power role, and then the person with the power role turns up dead right after saying "I trust this person!", that is kinda sketchy and warrants some investigation, in my mind
But they weren't PM partners? Sporty was PM partners with MJ, that's why he soft vouched for her.
 
Yikes I understand how people feel when they can't read me due to low activity.
I'm going to be in a meeting from 7-10 so most likely not around for kill close, sorry

kill snowy
 
Ehhhhh I guess but typically bad guys are more concerned with appearing defensible and such. Good guys can spout whatever they want (within reason). Idk I kinda think it's like the saying "truth is stranger than fiction." Villagers are sketchier than wolves I guess?
(Let it be known I obviously do not believe that as a hard and fast rule, but there have also been times when some wolves were the villageriest villagers to ever village. Dubz.)

Ok so maybe I'm just not making the connection here. Why would Sporty soft vouching for Dolphin and then turning up dead make Dolphin more sketch? I could see the reverse scenario if Sporty thought Dolphin was sketch. (Saw this was answered later but I'm leaving it.)

But they weren't PM partners? Sporty was PM partners with MJ, that's why he soft vouched for her.
not to answer for someone else, but it took me a second to realize that the perfect time for a village pack to kill a power role wolf, is after that PR declares them innocent. Think on that for a minute.
 
not to answer for someone else, but it took me a second to realize that the perfect time for a village pack to kill a power role wolf, is after that PR declares them innocent. Think on that for a minute.

Which, timeline-wise, includes MJ.
 
not to answer for someone else, but it took me a second to realize that the perfect time for a village pack to kill a power role wolf, is after that PR declares them innocent. Think on that for a minute.
I suppose but then you get into…not WIFOMy territory exactly, maybe "damned if you do, damned if you don't" territory.
 
Kill kc

For now, pending me trying to catch up some today.
K. Why again?
Got the tinfoil hat thing yesterday/night (Sunday 11PM CST, whenever that was with the lynch cancel). I asked if a conversion had happened as of that cycle. Answer I received this morning was "yes". Make of that what you will.

Also I got very little sleep last night so if I seem dumber than usual I probably am. It's always a great sign when you walk in to work and the first person who sees you says "you look terrible!" Thanks... I feel awesome... 🙄
Can we not forget this piece of information after you all murder me? I mean IDK if we can trust the tinfoil hat but it is the only information gathering I was able to do for team good guy so... don't let it get buried when I turn up green.

Kill kc

For now
Again, why? Though I recognize you had feels for me yesterday (though you never actually responded to my response that I can recall). All in all, the reason you have feels for me based on me posting reads annoys the crap out of me because it is basically encouraging me to lurk more and play less. Wrong message people.

About to disappear into a couple of stupid long meetings (hello IACUC). That being said, I would absolutely be tickled pink to hear some thoughts about this game from our lovely @Mad Jack .

And since my contingency is obviously useless,

Kill MJ

"for now" since that seems to be the theme of the day
Hey STILL WAITING ON A RESPONSE TO THIS. Yanno I picked your av because its the sincerest form of flattery or some such nonsense but I'm about to change it out of spite...

SP and I trusted each other and just like with WZ I would never kill her early game because I like having her around
He popped on, said he'd never have killed SP, and disappeared again. Literally no one else finds this sketchy enough to look into? I've been calling him out for days now... come on sheeple.

Could also maybe go for KC or MJ
Miss you too boo. Though I do find it ironic that you could switch to me OR the person I'm voting for.

...because both of you posted a player name and an affiliation claim? I'm not sure what else you would call that

Whether or not it's accurate is another thing entirely


But like...you said you're required to post the results. I guess I just still don't see the point of trying to hide something that by design is not supposed to be hidden, but maybe that's just me

No. You're not required to post the results.
Here is the item description: To use this, you must post a hat eating comment about a player of your choosing on thread during this night cycle and specify which hat you are using. Choose wisely for there are no second chances and there may be consequences.

I have no clue what the "results" of the item use is because once you post on the thread, you get a PM saying "action noted" and then the day (technically night) was canceled when I used the item so I lost it.
Reading this exchange was painful because it was obvious EVEN TO ME that there was probably a reason allie was still being obscure and based on how delayed results come back it seemed likely she hadn't gotten hers yet. This fishing from Pip and not "getting it" feels bad man.

There is an emergency coming in, and there is a chance I won't get back before close. I guess I'll go with my gut from yesterday, though I was hoping to see how discussions went today and peoples thoughts about this neighbor switch up.

Lynch KC
Again why? What? LAZY PLAY PEOPLE.

Seems sound

Kill dolphin
Speaking of lazy
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Note this is because of the direct sheeping and zero logic, I have no feelings either way about the dolphin vote.

Okay I’m in the middle of life but I will come back later. So for my good guys currently I’ve got in no order AM, genny, SAR, Pippy (even tho silently I don’t always trust), Capri/Caiter and Finn. Hopefully I’m not majorly wrong on these folks.

Stagg and Allie are leaning more towards the good guy column but not as definitive in my mind.

MJ, snowy and skim I have as big ol question marks especially MJ. And jboo and KC are my bad guy peeps that I have genuine feels, tin foil theories, and have felt things off in their posts (that one is more towards KC).

Kill KC

Might change later but that’s where my brain is at.
Sooo one of your top bad guys is also voting for your other top bad guy read and you don't find that odd? Tell me about these "genuine feels, tin foil theories, and 'things feeling off'" because seriously you guys are basically all telling me its better to hide and post almost nothing than actually try to play and post reads.

I seriously don't have the energy for this today (which was literally my first post of the day so good job villagers for picking an easy target) BUT we'll see because if my MO isn't to go down fighting with everything I've got then I don't know what it is.

Literally no one except jboo has pointed out anything specific from me that has given them a reason to vote for me. And jboo's reason was rebuttled and never again referred to so IDK what you all are on about.

I will reveal my role and ability right now but it's NAI so it will do me zero good:

I am Bottle of Bear and my only ability is to add random **** to the write ups. I've added random actual Bear quotes (Chernobyl, the Asian man, etc). That's it. So I guess you lose nothing but a wolf number by killing me.

Also I would like to point out the irony of me asking at the beginning of these sign ups to be wolf killed as opposed to lynched when I disappear for my (hopefully soon) labor. This was obviously before I realized that we were playing in topsy turvy reverse roles land. 🙄
 
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He popped on, said he'd never have killed SP, and disappeared again. Literally no one else finds this sketchy enough to look into? I've been calling him out for days now... come on sheeple.
This is actually one of the reasons why I could switch to you, btw. I was the first person to start calling him out, and then you kinda picked up on that and started following. And now you're pushing it super hard, and it sort of feels like you picked up a sketchy target from me and decided you could clinch it

Miss you too boo. Though I do find it ironic that you could switch to me OR the person I'm voting for.
What I wrote above^, plus the flip-floppy "I agree with you but also you're sketchballs" in PM felt like you were simultaneously trying to suck up to me while still throwing shade.

But yeah, I also kinda still think MJ is sketchballs for a myriad of reasons that I started stating on D1. Could go either way on either one of you at the moment, for entirely different reasons. I don't see how that's ironic

Reading this exchange was painful because it was obvious EVEN TO ME that there was probably a reason allie was still being obscure and based on how delayed results come back it seemed likely she hadn't gotten hers yet. This fishing from Pip and not "getting it" feels bad man.
Sorry I'm a ***** sometimes? I don't think anyone here would contest that sometimes I miss major stuff when it's right in front of my face, but sorry to cause you (additional) pain

Also, I never said I didn't think there might be a reason she was being obscure about it. I thought she was being sketchy and trying to hide it because she didn't want people to notice that it was forcing her to put info on the thread. Or... something lol. idk man, it wasn't the most coherent theory I've ever had

I am Bottle of Bear and my only ability is to add random **** to the write ups.
Yeah if anything, this actually makes me feel slightly worse about you lol
 
Can we not forget this piece of information after you all murder me? I mean IDK if we can trust the tinfoil hat but it is the only information gathering I was able to do for team good guy so... don't let it get buried when I turn up green.
Oh right thanks for the reminder because I wanted to comment on that.
I feel like there was already a pretty clear conversion hint in the D2 writeup but I guess it's nice to have mod (maybe?) confirmation.
I misread your tin foil hat item reveal at first and thought you had asked if there was a conversion specifically on D3 and got a yes. I then went on to believe that maybe the hat only tells you yes to feed your conspiracy theories. Or maybe it RNG'd yes or no. I then proceeded to use my newly acquired Reading Comprehension Skills and threw out that theory.
 
Which, timeline-wise, includes MJ.
Are you going to vote for MJ, btw? Or are you going to just quietly toss shade in that direction

If we kill KC and it turns out she is a bad guy, and/or we kill MJ and it turns out he is a good guy, then eventually I am going to start looking at you REAL hard as a potential convert.
 
This is actually one of the reasons why I could switch to you, btw. I was the first person to start calling him out, and then you kinda picked up on that and started following. And now you're pushing it super hard, and it sort of feels like you picked up a sketchy target from me and decided you could clinch it

What I wrote above^, plus the flip-floppy "I agree with you but also you're sketchballs" in PM felt like you were simultaneously trying to suck up to me while still throwing shade.

But yeah, I also kinda still think MJ is sketchballs for a myriad of reasons that I started stating on D1. Could go either way on either one of you at the moment, for entirely different reasons. I don't see how that's ironic

Sorry I'm a ***** sometimes? I don't think anyone here would contest that sometimes I miss major stuff when it's right in front of my face, but sorry to cause you (additional) pain

Also, I never said I didn't think there might be a reason she was being obscure about it. I thought she was being sketchy and trying to hide it because she didn't want people to notice that it was forcing her to put info on the thread. Or... something lol. idk man, it wasn't the most coherent theory I've ever had


Yeah if anything, this actually makes me feel slightly worse about you lol
WTF I have been voting MJ since day 1. You have not been pushing him at all. And I thought I was clear that part of the reason I was feeling you being sketch was because I was agreeing with you - or at least that we hadn't argued on thread yet. Though this feels more normal so whatever.

Please share your 'myriad of reasons' you thought MJ was sketch on D1. Because I have 1 reason and that is that he's not playing. And honestly I don't even know if it's sketchy or not but I want him to play/participate.

And you were calling me out for "faking" missing stuff or being obtuse or brain dead or whatever earlier so you missing what seemed blatantly obvious to me just felt so effing hypocritical.
 
Oh right thanks for the reminder because I wanted to comment on that.
I feel like there was already a pretty clear conversion hint in the D2 writeup but I guess it's nice to have mod (maybe?) confirmation.
I misread your tin foil hat item reveal at first and thought you had asked if there was a conversion specifically on D3 and got a yes. I then went on to believe that maybe the hat only tells you yes to feed your conspiracy theories. Or maybe it RNG'd yes or no. I then proceeded to use my newly acquired Reading Comprehension Skills and threw out that theory.
I did too, but people were questioning it pretty hard about it being so early in the game. Also congrats on your new skills 😉
 
Wait, where is this coming from? And what is with all the hat-eating? I didn't even know Karabou had a hat.

But how well does karabou's hat work?

Contingency Kill Snowy

for now

:kiss:

Why does other people bringing me up make me sketch in your eyes? That reads like village reasoning on picking an easy night kill target, FYI. It's cool if there's some other reason than "it looks like the vote could swing that way if it gets pushed."

mm I have a hard time reading you so often I rely on other people I have village-leaning to decide whether my feels are legitly placed. There are some things that you have said that makes me think of you as sketch and the vote on the wiem kill. But I really think the incessant tunneling of AM and arguing the mayor vote makes her villagey comes off as wolfy. Like most times, tunnelling one person all game is more common in the good guys then the informed minority.

I like this lots. And I am starting to get worried about Pip. I sorta gave her a lot of wolfy cred not for being vocal (she usually is so that's null) but because she seems less gleeful (yep, that's my village meta on her summed up to just one word). I'm starting to rethink that because I too am wondering what are the chances that we're both wolves this game.

What do you think about her breaking the tie towards weim on that vote? I feel like pip usually tries her hardest to have a complete sweep everytime she is bad.

Hi Capri! :hello:

Forgot about caiter playing.. after the first day Idk how that could have happened 🙄
 
Are you going to vote for MJ, btw? Or are you going to just quietly toss shade in that direction

If we kill KC and it turns out she is a bad guy, and/or we kill MJ and it turns out he is a good guy, then eventually I am going to start looking at you REAL hard as a potential convert.
What will me flipping green tell you about AM then? Because I'm pretty sure she's still on my naughty list...
 
WTF I have been voting MJ since day 1. You have not been pushing him at all. And I thought I was clear that part of the reason I was feeling you being sketch was because I was agreeing with you - or at least that we hadn't argued on thread yet. Though this feels more normal so whatever.
Do you want me to go back and pull the quotes?

Please share your 'myriad of reasons' you thought MJ was sketch on D1. Because I have 1 reason and that is that he's not playing. And honestly I don't even know if it's sketchy or not but I want him to play/participate.
I didn't like that he went for the mayor vote AFTER roles came out
I didn't like that he was sitting in a premium bus position on Weim with no prior mention of her or any comments while all that **** was going down
I didn't like that he popped in AFTER all that and was like "mah gerd guise, don't kill SportySpice"
I don't like that now Sporty is dead after being able to PM with him

So yeah, it looks like I actually have more reasons than you do, and so go ahead and keep claiming your stuff is OG

And you were calling me out for "faking" missing stuff or being obtuse or brain dead or whatever earlier so you missing what seemed blatantly obvious to me just felt so effing hypocritical.
I don't know what to tell you about this other than that I was actually confused about why someone was trying to hide an item that they didn't even have anymore and had to publicly post results from on the thread.
 
Do you want me to go back and pull the quotes?


I didn't like that he went for the mayor vote AFTER roles came out
I didn't like that he was sitting in a premium bus position on Weim with no prior mention of her or any comments while all that **** was going down
I didn't like that he popped in AFTER all that and was like "mah gerd guise, don't kill SportySpice"

I don't like that now Sporty is dead after being able to PM with him

So yeah, it looks like I actually have more reasons than you do, and so go ahead and keep claiming your stuff is OG


I don't know what to tell you about this other than that I was actually confused about why someone was trying to hide an item that they didn't even have anymore and had to publicly post results from on the thread.
Re; bolded comes down to my problem which is that he is not participating/playing. If I were "bad guy" I would not be pushing a loser alternate vote like MJ, I'd be hardcore shooting for dolphin as the most likely candidate to save my own skin. For all I know dolph is village and I should be pushing her but she just reads noob to me (except her vote for me which has pushed her and everyone else except maybe jboo down to village-leans because I'm biased and petty).
 
Are you going to vote for MJ, btw? Or are you going to just quietly toss shade in that direction

If we kill KC and it turns out she is a bad guy, and/or we kill MJ and it turns out he is a good guy, then eventually I am going to start looking at you REAL hard as a potential convert.

Is there some reason you don't like me voting for Snowy?
 
and by all means people, vote me because I seem outside my good guy meta or you think I'm matching my baddie meta.

but no voting me for not being as stupid as you think I am :nono:

No one thinks you are stupid. You've gotten really good at WW, so I'd say you're one of the better players that play in prevet.

Also, WTF is an illusion remover? Sorta suggests an illusion giver mechanic of sorts, don't you think?

I was wondering that too..

Since the topic of the "remove illusion" ability has been discussed by a few people today, I took that to mean that to mean they made unseerable/untrackable villagers seerable or trackable. I just don't know how long they would be vulnerable though. Like if it's only for that one day cycle, then it would require sporty and the seer/tracker to act on the same person on the same day, and that seems unlikely, but at the same time, I guess it's fair since any unseerable/untrackable villagers thought they were safe from those actions.

I'm also feeling a lot better about cray. I had forgotten about something that happened earlier in the game, which put her in the wolf category for me.

Thoughts on this pm buddy scramble though? I'm not sure how I feel about it, assuming it was related to an ability (which I assumed from the write up).

Like that makes sense, but I feel like it would statistically be extremely rare that it would be a useful ability.

Kill dolphin

I moved off of her because of Sporty's soft vouch, but the role flip makes me question how strong that was, and dolphin's behavior on some of these kills has been pretty sketch. Plus, there are a couple of other points that make me want to look there.

Could also maybe go for KC or MJ

Do you mean that you thought SP had info, but now you know it was just her read of dolphin?
 
Re; bolded comes down to my problem which is that he is not participating/playing.
Here's my problem with MJ that's making me question the sketchy ass stuff he is doing right now -- I just played a game with him where he was a wolf, and I drove that lynch pretty hard because I had mega bad feels about the manner in which he was not-participating. And...this time around just feels a little different to me.

However, it might just be that it's a different group of people -- he was noob bashing pretty aggressively in the last game, but this game has no real fresh noob meat. And, some of his other manipulation tactics would not fly in this game because people will sass him right back and kill him immediately if he tries to "woe is me" rage quit like he did before.
 
Okay I’m in the middle of life but I will come back later. So for my good guys currently I’ve got in no order AM, genny, SAR, Pippy (even tho silently I don’t always trust), Capri/Caiter and Finn. Hopefully I’m not majorly wrong on these folks.

Stagg and Allie are leaning more towards the good guy column but not as definitive in my mind.

MJ, snowy and skim I have as big ol question marks especially MJ. And jboo and KC are my bad guy peeps that I have genuine feels, tin foil theories, and have felt things off in their posts (that one is more towards KC).

Kill KC

Might change later but that’s where my brain is at.

What about jboo being lynch cancel?

I mean, my tinfoil theory is that this switchup and the pm-silencing is the work of a chaos role. But it's just tinfoil and I don't think too terribly useful as a theory

That would make sense.
Also, don't feel like I've heard many reads from you since everyone has declared you village after the weim kill. Who is currently on your sketch list?

It was an announcement to my subjects.

Hmm

I thought we elected a mayor, not a monarch

When is your term up? I'd like to start making Pip for Princess buttons

AM was probably elected into the WZ role

WTF I have been voting MJ since day 1. You have not been pushing him at all. And I thought I was clear that part of the reason I was feeling you being sketch was because I was agreeing with you - or at least that we hadn't argued on thread yet. Though this feels more normal so whatever.

Please share your 'myriad of reasons' you thought MJ was sketch on D1. Because I have 1 reason and that is that he's not playing. And honestly I don't even know if it's sketchy or not but I want him to play/participate.

And you were calling me out for "faking" missing stuff or being obtuse or brain dead or whatever earlier so you missing what seemed blatantly obvious to me just felt so effing hypocritical.

How do you feel about MJ making a tie on the weim lynch?
 
Here's my problem with MJ that's making me question the sketchy ass stuff he is doing right now -- I just played a game with him where he was a wolf, and I drove that lynch pretty hard because I had mega bad feels about the manner in which he was not-participating. And...this time around just feels a little different to me.

However, it might just be that it's a different group of people -- he was noob bashing pretty aggressively in the last game, but this game has no real fresh noob meat. And, some of his other manipulation tactics would not fly in this game because people will sass him right back and kill him immediately if he tries to "woe is me" rage quit like he did before.

I feel like those are his normal bad guy moves. Sitting back and not participating rings more wolf to me this game.
 
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