Submitted secondary 10/1, complete email around 10/15, II 10/29. I'm scheduled for 3/29. OOS. Super stoked.
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What exactly do they want?
Their stats are literally 3.4/501.
They're looking for applicants in the area who have a STRONG interest in rural medicine/underserved/underrepresented areas. That's what they are looking for. Experiences that show you are dedicated to primary care and/or dedicated to the underserved. Just because one has great stats means absolutely nothing. Different schools have different wants/needs. A little bit of research and you'd have your answer. Sounds like you won't have any trouble getting in though! Move on. and Good Luck
I'm in shock. Complete 8/28, committee 9/12, Oregon resident, Non-trad. 3.4 cgpa/sgpa, 3.7gpa since returning to school, 140 sem. credits over 4 years. I have volunteered with multiple organizations for over 18 months now that focus on working with homeless youth in the Portland metro area (we have a large homeless population here). I have a lot of clinical experience as an ED research volunteer at OHSU and as a CNA. Above their median MCAT and I got a; deny post-supplement. Whoa, really heartbroken by this one. I by no means think I am the worlds gift to medicine or think I deserve anything, but not even an interview? Serious bummer, especially because I know kids that got in last year up there with lower grades and MCAT scores then myself, with way less ECs. Dang. Is it worth calling to see how I can improve my application for them?
Unimpressed with the school. Has a dress code, does not have workout facility on campus, no cafeteria/food store places you can buy from in building, decently bad crime in the area, when asked what to do in the area there wasn’t much of an answer, they pop quiz you in lecture by focusing a huge camera on your face randomly and having your face pop up in front of a hundred people, test scores have dipped over the past couple of years, curriculum is weirdly crammed (all systems in a year? anatomy taught forever?), some faculty seemed rude while a lot seemed disinterested.... long day, weird interview setup.... judged us based off a team-based Pictionary game.... overall just not great. Wanted to love it but did not.
Thank you for the insight! Might just cancel my interview if it’s that bad!
Unimpressed with the school. Has a dress code, does not have workout facility on campus, no cafeteria/food store places you can buy from in building, decently bad crime in the area, when asked what to do in the area there wasn’t much of an answer, they pop quiz you in lecture by focusing a huge camera on your face randomly and having your face pop up in front of a hundred people, test scores have dipped over the past couple of years, curriculum is weirdly crammed (all systems in a year? anatomy taught forever?), some faculty seemed rude while a lot seemed disinterested.... long day, weird interview setup.... judged us based off a team-based Pictionary game.... overall just not great. Wanted to love it but did not.
Dress code? dipping board scores?
Welp, guess I don't feel bad about getting rejected from this school.
I am sure you will be a great doctor after going elsewhere, as I believe I will. Best of luck and don’t let any one school’s rejection get you down because you never know how it really is from the other side....
Mind pm'ing me? I have a few more questions for you.
Unimpressed with the school. Has a dress code, does not have workout facility on campus, no cafeteria/food store places you can buy from in building, decently bad crime in the area, when asked what to do in the area there wasn’t much of an answer, they pop quiz you in lecture by focusing a huge camera on your face randomly and having your face pop up in front of a hundred people, test scores have dipped over the past couple of years, curriculum is weirdly crammed (all systems in a year? anatomy taught forever?), some faculty seemed rude while a lot seemed disinterested.... long day, weird interview setup.... judged us based off a team-based Pictionary game.... overall just not great. Wanted to love it but did not.
Unimpressed with the school. Has a dress code, does not have workout facility on campus, no cafeteria/food store places you can buy from in building, decently bad crime in the area, when asked what to do in the area there wasn’t much of an answer, they pop quiz you in lecture by focusing a huge camera on your face randomly and having your face pop up in front of a hundred people, test scores have dipped over the past couple of years, curriculum is weirdly crammed (all systems in a year? anatomy taught forever?), some faculty seemed rude while a lot seemed disinterested.... long day, weird interview setup.... judged us based off a team-based Pictionary game.... overall just not great. Wanted to love it but did not.
Hahaha! I'm glad someone else thought the graded group activities were dumb as rocks. Some of the applicants in those groups were laying it on thick. It was hard not to shake my head. And the poor test scores, I was dying inside laughing. What school openly admits to it's applicants that tests scores have dipped recently, without an excellent explanation?
On a side note they seem very serious about bench research. Which in my experience is rare. I'd trade a gym and cafeteria for the opportunity to publish research any day.
The Interview itself:
I was really unimpressed by PNWU as well. I left my interview feeling that the school was a poor fit for me. The group activities were very mediocre. Additionally, I know this is very situational, but the group I was put into had some real true gunners that did not understand how to share in a team activity, and even called out one of the people in our group for not talking. They put another individual on the spot, and that individual was stumbling all over their words; I felt bad for that individual. Their "gunnerness" may have worked against them, since PNWU seems like a very collaborative school, and the students do seem like they work together, or so they say. However, I felt that the MMI stations were not sufficient in getting to know an applicant like other interviews I've been on. I really think they need to add in a 1-on-1, and get rid of at least one of the group activities.
The program:
Big primary care push. Not much push for or support for USMLE. I'm really unsure if their students are going to be competitive come the merger. Lectures are technically not mandatory, but it seems like you kind of have to go to get a % of your grade through daily quizzes that are held in lecture. Dress code of scrubs or business casual is meh (this doesn't seem to be too uncommon however among DO schools) - however, we're adults, let us study in our own comfort. not impressed by flexibility of rotations in 3rd/4th year. Your 3rd year site is based on your ties to an area, so essentially if you aren't from Washington, you are most likely not going to be able to get one of the sites near the bigger cities, so you may end up in who knows where - yakima, idaho, tri-cities, alaska, etc... There is essentially no support from the school for 4th year rotations. You have to find your rotations, especially if you are looking outside of a primary care specialty. There board scores aren't that great. The bench research is a plus if you're looking to do research - not sure how many students actually can be apart of this though.
Living in Yakima:
Also, eastern Washington is very RED, so coming from any area that is progressive is going to require you to adapt. Additionally, if you drive from Seattle -> Yakima, you're going to see some beautiful sights, since western Washington is GORGEOUS, but then you'll arrive in Yakima, which has a topography of barren brown hills -- it's ugly, and even the current students agree, and most mentioned that it was their least favorite part about Yakima. A plus is that Yakima is super cheap and affordable, but for me that isn't worth having to live somewhere I'd hate for 2 years.
Diversity:
The school and the students (that were visible) do not seem that diverse - and when one of the student ambassador's who was an Asian kid living on the west coast tries and mentions that he is a "minority," I just rolled my eyes. While some of the staff is Hispanic, I don't believe any faculty member is POC. Additionally, I'm pretty sure at my interview there wasn't even 1 black or Hispanic individual out of the 40-50 interviewees. Yakima itself has a high Hispanic population though; however, when asked if there was much room to get active in the community clinically in the first 2 years, they said that would be difficult to do, so you really wouldn't even get to take advantage of getting clinically active in an underserved hispanic community, unless you stay in yakima for your 3rd year. Also, I understand that a school like PNWU is rural Washington is going to have a hard time attracting diverse faculty & diverse applicants, who tend to want to live in more urban and progressive areas.
That being said, I think this school is great for those who truly want to practice RURAL medicine and want to stay in and practice in community health clinics in the PNW region. It is their mission, and the majority of the site rotations are rural, and they really seem to want their grads to practice in a rural environment. I think their mission really resonates with certain people, and some of you, and that is why PNWU is a great fit for those who are from small towns and want to practice in small towns.
Welp, I’m a little more leery of the school, but I’m gonna give it a shot. I can’t be choosy, and I haven’t heard back from the majority of my apps yet, so...
+1
Beggars can’t be choosers.
The Interview itself:
I was really unimpressed by PNWU as well. I left my interview feeling that the school was a poor fit for me. The group activities were very mediocre. Additionally, I know this is very situational, but the group I was put into had some real true gunners that did not understand how to share in a team activity, and even called out one of the people in our group for not talking. They put another individual on the spot, and that individual was stumbling all over their words; I felt bad for that individual. Their "gunnerness" may have worked against them, since PNWU seems like a very collaborative school, and the students do seem like they work together, or so they say. However, I felt that the MMI stations were not sufficient in getting to know an applicant like other interviews I've been on. I really think they need to add in a 1-on-1, and get rid of at least one of the group activities.
The program:
Big primary care push. Not much push for or support for USMLE. I'm really unsure if their students are going to be competitive come the merger. Lectures are technically not mandatory, but it seems like you kind of have to go to get a % of your grade through daily quizzes that are held in lecture. Dress code of scrubs or business casual is meh (this doesn't seem to be too uncommon however among DO schools) - however, we're adults, let us study in our own comfort. not impressed by flexibility of rotations in 3rd/4th year. Your 3rd year site is based on your ties to an area, so essentially if you aren't from Washington, you are most likely not going to be able to get one of the sites near the bigger cities, so you may end up in who knows where - yakima, idaho, tri-cities, alaska, etc... There is essentially no support from the school for 4th year rotations. You have to find your rotations, especially if you are looking outside of a primary care specialty. There board scores aren't that great. The bench research is a plus if you're looking to do research - not sure how many students actually can be apart of this though.
Living in Yakima:
Also, eastern Washington is very RED, so coming from any area that is progressive is going to require you to adapt. Additionally, if you drive from Seattle -> Yakima, you're going to see some beautiful sights, since western Washington is GORGEOUS, but then you'll arrive in Yakima, which has a topography of barren brown hills -- it's ugly, and even the current students agree, and most mentioned that it was their least favorite part about Yakima. A plus is that Yakima is super cheap and affordable, but for me that isn't worth having to live somewhere I'd hate for 2 years.
Diversity:
The school and the students (that were visible) do not seem that diverse - and when one of the student ambassador's who was an Asian kid living on the west coast tries and mentions that he is a "minority," I just rolled my eyes. While some of the staff is Hispanic, I don't believe any faculty member is POC. Additionally, I'm pretty sure at my interview there wasn't even 1 black or Hispanic individual out of the 40-50 interviewees. Yakima itself has a high Hispanic population though; however, when asked if there was much room to get active in the community clinically in the first 2 years, they said that would be difficult to do, so you really wouldn't even get to take advantage of getting clinically active in an underserved hispanic community, unless you stay in yakima for your 3rd year. Also, I understand that a school like PNWU is rural Washington is going to have a hard time attracting diverse faculty & diverse applicants, who tend to want to live in more urban and progressive areas.
That being said, I think this school is great for those who truly want to practice RURAL medicine and want to stay in and practice in community health clinics in the PNW region. It is their mission, and the majority of the site rotations are rural, and they really seem to want their grads to practice in a rural environment. I think their mission really resonates with certain people, and some of you, and that is why PNWU is a great fit for those who are from small towns and want to practice in small towns.
They screen pretty heavily. If you have the money and your stats are higher than the average it might be worth it if you have ties to at least something rural through volunteer, work, home town, etc. If not, it may be better to save that moolah or use it for a different school you're thinking about.Not sure if this has been answered before, but do they screen before sending secondaries? I'm not sure if its worth sending in a secondary being OOS with no ties.
They screen pretty heavily. If you have the money and your stats are higher than the average it might be worth it if you have ties to at least something rural through volunteer, work, home town, etc. If not, it may be better to save that moolah or use it for a different school you're thinking about.
Unimpressed with the school. Has a dress code, does not have workout facility on campus, no cafeteria/food store places you can buy from in building, decently bad crime in the area, when asked what to do in the area there wasn’t much of an answer, they pop quiz you in lecture by focusing a huge camera on your face randomly and having your face pop up in front of a hundred people, test scores have dipped over the past couple of years, curriculum is weirdly crammed (all systems in a year? anatomy taught forever?), some faculty seemed rude while a lot seemed disinterested.... long day, weird interview setup.... judged us based off a team-based Pictionary game.... overall just not great. Wanted to love it but did not.
The Interview itself:
I was really unimpressed by PNWU as well. I left my interview feeling that the school was a poor fit for me. The group activities were very mediocre. Additionally, I know this is very situational, but the group I was put into had some real true gunners that did not understand how to share in a team activity, and even called out one of the people in our group for not talking. They put another individual on the spot, and that individual was stumbling all over their words; I felt bad for that individual. Their "gunnerness" may have worked against them, since PNWU seems like a very collaborative school, and the students do seem like they work together, or so they say. However, I felt that the MMI stations were not sufficient in getting to know an applicant like other interviews I've been on. I really think they need to add in a 1-on-1, and get rid of at least one of the group activities.
The program:
Big primary care push. Not much push for or support for USMLE. I'm really unsure if their students are going to be competitive come the merger. Lectures are technically not mandatory, but it seems like you kind of have to go to get a % of your grade through daily quizzes that are held in lecture. Dress code of scrubs or business casual is meh (this doesn't seem to be too uncommon however among DO schools) - however, we're adults, let us study in our own comfort. not impressed by flexibility of rotations in 3rd/4th year. Your 3rd year site is based on your ties to an area, so essentially if you aren't from Washington, you are most likely not going to be able to get one of the sites near the bigger cities, so you may end up in who knows where - yakima, idaho, tri-cities, alaska, etc... There is essentially no support from the school for 4th year rotations. You have to find your rotations, especially if you are looking outside of a primary care specialty. There board scores aren't that great. The bench research is a plus if you're looking to do research - not sure how many students actually can be apart of this though.
Living in Yakima:
Also, eastern Washington is very RED, so coming from any area that is progressive is going to require you to adapt. Additionally, if you drive from Seattle -> Yakima, you're going to see some beautiful sights, since western Washington is GORGEOUS, but then you'll arrive in Yakima, which has a topography of barren brown hills -- it's ugly, and even the current students agree, and most mentioned that it was their least favorite part about Yakima. A plus is that Yakima is super cheap and affordable, but for me that isn't worth having to live somewhere I'd hate for 2 years.
Diversity:
The school and the students (that were visible) do not seem that diverse - and when one of the student ambassador's who was an Asian kid living on the west coast tries and mentions that he is a "minority," I just rolled my eyes. While some of the staff is Hispanic, I don't believe any faculty member is POC. Additionally, I'm pretty sure at my interview there wasn't even 1 black or Hispanic individual out of the 40-50 interviewees. Yakima itself has a high Hispanic population though; however, when asked if there was much room to get active in the community clinically in the first 2 years, they said that would be difficult to do, so you really wouldn't even get to take advantage of getting clinically active in an underserved hispanic community, unless you stay in yakima for your 3rd year. Also, I understand that a school like PNWU is rural Washington is going to have a hard time attracting diverse faculty & diverse applicants, who tend to want to live in more urban and progressive areas.
That being said, I think this school is great for those who truly want to practice RURAL medicine and want to stay in and practice in community health clinics in the PNW region. It is their mission, and the majority of the site rotations are rural, and they really seem to want their grads to practice in a rural environment. I think their mission really resonates with certain people, and some of you, and that is why PNWU is a great fit for those who are from small towns and want to practice in small towns.
Y’all are making me feel like I won’t match with this stuff. I did talk to a current student who said that she was enjoying her time. I just don’t want to be cornered into a community residency if I go here.
Scrutinize their match data. Around 20% of their class has scrambled/SOAPed recently, which I think is quite high. This last year was the first year they didn't have a 100% match after the SOAP/Scramble. They have at least a few solid matches every year, and if you work hard, you'll match. It's mostly on you. But when choosing a program, it's generally helpful to take the data into account.
I also know a lot of people are happy going to school there, and feel supported, so that's worth something too.
Scrutinize their match data. Around 20% of their class has scrambled/SOAPed recently, which I think is quite high. This last year was the first year they didn't have a 100% match after the SOAP/Scramble. They have at least a few solid matches every year, and if you work hard, you'll match. It's mostly on you. But when choosing a program, it's generally helpful to take the data into account.
I also know a lot of people are happy going to school there, and feel supported, so that's worth something too.
This seems like a reasonable thought process!I agree with 100% of what you’re saying (that’s why I’m taking an acceptance elsewhere), but recently a lot of schools have higher than usual SOAP numbers. This is because of the merger getting closer to initiation. This is because more DO students are applying ACGME and either 1) backing out last minute because of the “fear” of not matching (even though they might have matched but fear is a strong motivator), or 2) passed on ranking meh ACGME community programs and SOAPed into a preferred AOA program.
PNWU is doing something wrong getting their students ready, but I would note that SOAP data point is unusually high for many DO schools across the board. No matter the outcome of the merger the one clear benefit is that we won’t have to deal with two application systems.
Withdrew my interview for 11/30, so if anyone is on waitlist I would reach out to admissions. Best of luck to everyone this cycle
I just did the same! Mine was for March 29th. What other school(s) are you considering over this one?
I was accepted to ICOM and UIW in Texas, but I’m accepting at ICOM. I’m from Oregon and haven’t heard from COMP-NW or OHSU so for now I’m going to plan on ICOM unless I get Oregon. I was really impressed with ICOM and feel like it’s going to be a great school
Awesome! Congrats! ICOM is new right? I saw pictures of the campus and it looks very innovative. Best of luck to you!
Yes, ICOM is new... it’s stunning and was really impressed while I was there. Where are you going?
Finding the school that fits you is very important. I interviewed at a few places and got accepted into ATSU-SOMA, KYCOM, and waiting to hear back from KCUMB and my local school Southern Illinois University. SIU is my top choice, but if I don't get in, it'll be between ATSU-SOMA and KCUMB (if I get an acceptance). Both of their programs are awesome. My biggest concern is price. KCUMB is ~10k a year cheaper.
KCUMB is also more established, higher board scores. I'd go KCUMB if I were you.
Finding the school that fits you is very important. I interviewed at a few places and got accepted into ATSU-SOMA, KYCOM, and waiting to hear back from KCUMB and my local school Southern Illinois University. SIU is my top choice, but if I don't get in, it'll be between ATSU-SOMA and KCUMB (if I get an acceptance). Both of their programs are awesome. My biggest concern is price. KCUMB is ~10k a year cheaper.
Best of luck with everything. I hope we both get our first choices! Still early in the cycle!
Are your stats competitive? If you dont mind me askingI’m from Illinois, no ties at all, not rural, and I got an interview invite. I say if you can afford to spend the money, don’t let an opportunity get away.
Are your stats competitive? If you dont mind me asking
Anybody plan on attending here for sure next year? I really like this school - but I am also one of the people that grew up in this area and wants to stay in this area and do rural health care (north Idaho/eastern Washington especially). Just curious who else on here is planning on going at this point.
Alright, I will keep looking.I would volunteer, but I live in West Valley with my dog and preschooler. Granted, I have a house with a yard, but the boy is still noisy and busy, and home isn’t the most conducive studying area lol. If you need help moving or have questions about the area, feel free to PM me, we’d be happy to help!
Edited because typing on a phone properly is impossible.