2010-2011 Oregon Health & Sciences University Application Thread

[Dr. Saturn]

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I wish I knew. I also check the spam and junk folders - the emails don't end up there. They just don't get through at all. I find it annoying that they can't work with it, but admissions finds it annoying that so many of us use gmail... so I gave up since I'm the one who needs the info. 🙂

I set my gmail to star any message that comes from them, and it gets through no problem. I have gotten messages from the admissions department and from individuals who work in it.

 

[Acoustic]

I set my gmail to star any message that comes from them, and it gets through no problem. I have gotten messages from the admissions department and from individuals who work in it.

+1. I'm a reapplicant and had absolutely no trouble receiving email from them on gmail. I remember reading that interview invite on my phone probably a million times haha. Maybe they have your email address slightly misspelled? It's weird that that's happening to you.

 

[ImmortaliaX]

I didn't get half the emails I was supposed to from them...probably still don't!

Make sure you're not using a gmail account, and use your application page to check your status. Even if they do email you, the status page is updated first. That's how it was last year, anyway.

Haha, I am using gmail. 🙄

I set my gmail to star any message that comes from them, and it gets through no problem. I have gotten messages from the admissions department and from individuals who work in it.

Are you doing that through a filter with "[email protected]?" I guess I might as well just filter for "medicine" in general while I'm at it or something.

 

[Dr. Saturn]

Haha, I am using gmail. 🙄



Are you doing that through a filter with "[email protected]?" I guess I might as well just filter for "medicine" in general while I'm at it or something.

Yes, I filter that as a star and keep because they said to, but I don't see why it would be a problem. I guess it depends on how strictly you filter your email?

 

[BullDog4Eva]

I submitted 09/10 and still haven't gotten a complete e-mail yet. Should I be worried? Should I call them and make sure they received everything?

 

[Dr. Saturn]

I submitted 09/10 and still haven't gotten a complete e-mail yet. Should I be worried? Should I call them and make sure they received everything?

I submitted my secondary 9/12, and it isn't marked complete in the portal. It looks like about 1-1.5 months by the reports on this forum. I will let you know when mine gets marked, but you will probably be done first.

 

[ssahjm]

Just checked my status and it was changed to "on hold for an interview, pending further review." I was complete August 11, but I haven't checked my status for a few days so I don't know the exact day I was put on hold.

Anyone else in this boat? I'm not sure if the on-hold status means eventual rejection like it does at other schools. Also, does OHSU do pre-interview rejections this early in the year? Anyways, best of luck to you all, and congrats to those who have received interviews so far! 👍

 

[Acoustic]

Just checked my status and it was changed to "on hold for an interview, pending further review." I was complete August 11, but I haven't checked my status for a few days so I don't know the exact day I was put on hold.

Anyone else in this boat? I'm not sure if the on-hold status means eventual rejection like it does at other schools. Also, does OHSU do pre-interview rejections this early in the year? Anyways, best of luck to you all, and congrats to those who have received interviews so far! 👍

I vaguely recall hearing something about that status being reserved for people who didn't necessarily meet one of the requirements to be a mission group (or whatever those are called, I keep forgetting) but have otherwise promising aspects. I think they wait to see how many of those mission groups they get, then fill up with the hold list afterwords.

Keep in mind this is speculative and based mostly on a foggy memory of the subject. I don't want to get your hopes up and/or down lol.

BTW, does anyone else find it funny that the name of the school in the thread title is wrong? Second year in a row lol.

 

[QuesoAndFromage]

is the status check on the same site where the secondary access is? mine just says i was complete 8/30

 

[Acoustic]

is the status check on the same site where the secondary access is? mine just says i was complete 8/30

Yep. That page will start filling up with green check marks as your status progresses. I believe it has a slight delay compared to the emails they send though. I think they even use green check marks for bad news, which for post interview was "A decision has been mailed to you" 🙁 . If you can't tell I'm a reapplicant

 

[ssahjm]

I vaguely recall hearing something about that status being reserved for people who didn't necessarily meet one of the requirements to be a mission group (or whatever those are called, I keep forgetting) but have otherwise promising aspects. I think they wait to see how many of those mission groups they get, then fill up with the hold list afterwords.

is the status check on the same site where the secondary access is? mine just says i was complete 8/30

I met one of the criteria for the mission-based groups, so who knows. And QuesoAndFromage, yeah, the status check is the same site as the secondary. Until today, mine just had the complete date, too.

 

[Acoustic]

I met one of the criteria for the mission-based groups, so who knows. And QuesoAndFromage, yeah, the status check is the same site as the secondary. Until today, mine just had the complete date, too.

Sorry to hear that. I do believe these aren't outright rejections and can lead to an invitation later, so all hope is not lost!

 

[pdxjazz]

It does seem to be quite a long process. I submitted my secondary back in very early August, but took a late July MCAT so my score wasn't released until late August. Yet I wasn't marked as complete until mid-September, and still no word. I qualify for 2 of the mission based groups (resident/academics) and had received 5 OOS invites before I was even marked complete at OHSU. Must be pretty chaotic around there right now. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.

 

[Melicopter]

Just checked my status and it was changed to "on hold for an interview, pending further review." I was complete August 11, but I haven't checked my status for a few days so I don't know the exact day I was put on hold.

Anyone else in this boat? I'm not sure if the on-hold status means eventual rejection like it does at other schools. Also, does OHSU do pre-interview rejections this early in the year? Anyways, best of luck to you all, and congrats to those who have received interviews so far! 👍

Sorry to hear that! 🙁

The good news is, they definitely pull people off the hold list. It just takes awhile. The entire process here goes a little bit slowly.

Good luck!

 

[thegreatgatsby]

Hey everyone!

First post in this thread!

I have a question about the deadline.

If it says due Oct 15th, Does that mean 12am of Oct 15th( end of Oct 14th) or 11:59pm of Oct 15th(almost Oct 16th)?

Sorry for the silly question. I will hopefully get it in ahead, but with studying for midterms, I want to make sure not to mess up with this application.

Thanks!!

 

[ImmortaliaX]

I think that deadline is for applying to OHSU through AMCAS...? Have you submitted your primary and designated OHSU as one of the schools you're applying to?

In any case, knowing that it'd be best to get the application in sooner rather than later, I'd probably assume the 14th, unless you call OHSU and hear otherwise. GL!

 

[Acoustic]

Hey everyone!

First post in this thread!

I have a question about the deadline.

If it says due Oct 15th, Does that mean 12am of Oct 15th( end of Oct 14th) or 11:59pm of Oct 15th(almost Oct 16th)?

Sorry for the silly question. I will hopefully get it in ahead, but with studying for midterms, I want to make sure not to mess up with this application.

Thanks!!

You should definitely talk to AMCAS about that, but I'm fairly confident it's 11:59:59 EASTERN time October 15th. But if there is even one error in your application and it's sent back to you, well then you'll automatically miss the deadline and be out all those application fees.

You should try to submit as early as possible, but don't get your hopes down if you can't. I submitted last year to OHSU on October 14th (primary) and got an interview. Although I wasn't admitted, it was for a completely unrelated reason.

 

[KelMD]

Just realized my GPA/MCAT makes me a mission-based applicant. Yes! And I had given up hope because I am OOS, non-WICHE. Interview please?

 

[Acoustic]

Just realized my GPA/MCAT makes me a mission-based applicant. Yes! And I had given up hope because I am OOS, non-WICHE. Interview please?

FYI the GPA they list isn't a hard cutoff. Last year my GPA didn't make the numbers, but because of the school I went to my numbers were corrected which raised my "corrected" GPA and then made me a mission-based applicant as well. It might not have been such a close call for you / you might have a really competitive GPA in their eyes, based on your school.

 

[Dr. Saturn]

FYI the GPA they list isn't a hard cutoff. Last year my GPA didn't make the numbers, but because of the school I went to my numbers were corrected which raised my "corrected" GPA and then made me a mission-based applicant as well. It might not have been such a close call for you / you might have a really competitive GPA in their eyes, based on your school.

Any idea which gpas they use? I have an undergrad. cumulative, and undergrad post bac, and a graduate gpa. Those are all so close, I doubt it matters there (3.74-3.89).

But for science, I have a high school (classes dual enrolled for college credit while in high school), and undergrad cumulative, and a post bac. All my science prerecs are in the 3.74 postbac gpa. But if you factor in the non-prereq courses from the 23 year old high school and 22 year old undergrad, you get a 3.56. That is a big difference.

Of course, now that I think of it, OHSU only weights gpas+MCAT as 20% of your "score" for admission consideration, so I guess it isn't a big deal either way. But I am curious.

 

[barcoderider]

Just checked my status and it was changed to "on hold for an interview, pending further review." I was complete August 11, but I haven't checked my status for a few days so I don't know the exact day I was put on hold.

Anyone else in this boat?

Also just got this status. CA, 3.99, 40. Would have been nice to see Portland. We'll see I guess...

 

[QuesoAndFromage]

Also just got this status. CA, 3.99, 40. Would have been nice to see Portland. We'll see I guess...

im sorry to hear.. mind if I ask when you were complete?

 

[barcoderider]

I was complete 8/11. Not sure when they updated my page. It's OK, I have 5 other interviews. 🙂

 

[Acoustic]

Any idea which gpas they use? I have an undergrad. cumulative, and undergrad post bac, and a graduate gpa. Those are all so close, I doubt it matters there (3.74-3.89).

But for science, I have a high school (classes dual enrolled for college credit while in high school), and undergrad cumulative, and a post bac. All my science prerecs are in the 3.74 postbac gpa. But if you factor in the non-prereq courses from the 23 year old high school and 22 year old undergrad, you get a 3.56. That is a big difference.

Of course, now that I think of it, OHSU only weights gpas+MCAT as 20% of your "score" for admission consideration, so I guess it isn't a big deal either way. But I am curious.

I really have no idea what they'll do in your case, but I think they only look at the GPA that comes directly from your ACMAS, so whatever you put there is more than likely what they'll use (as there won't really be any other source). Hopefully you tweaked AMCAS to reflect the better grades? I think it's going to need to be based largely on the prereqs though.

As for 20% of your admissions score, I don't really think it works as straightforward as that. I think at OHSU there is a distinct difference between the various cuts. If you get an interview, the criteria used to base that decision have no or a very small amount of bearing on your eventual admission. Scores and grades play absolutely no factor in your interview as the interviewers are blinded to scores (they actually go in a use a marker to black out the scores I believe) unless you purposefully decide to mention scores to an interviewer. Given that, your worries about GPA probably only matter for an interview invite, and then probably don't go much further.

 

[Acoustic]

Also just got this status. CA, 3.99, 40. Would have been nice to see Portland. We'll see I guess...

Yeesh your numbers are really great. Are you a mission-group applicant or whatever those are called in any other way? If not that might be why you got put on hold. I know OHSU is pretty far away from being a numbers school though.

 

[KnightCancer]

barcoderider, what kind of patient care experience do you have? for OHSU if you have 4.0 /45 you will get rejected if you dont have first hand patient care experience.... you would be an ideal candidate that is going to specialize and become a BMT specialist or an interventional cardiologist, and that is something OHSU is not looking for.... with all honesty, after you finish medical school at OHSU, and do your residency somewhere else, will you serve the Oregon community? will you consider living in gold beach , oregon, and serve as a PCP???, if your answer is no, OHSU is not a good fit for you and you are not a good fit for them..... and you being put on hold shouldn't suprise you.....

 

[Acoustic]

barcoderider, what kind of patient care experience do you have? for OHSU if you have 4.0 /45 you will get rejected if you dont have first hand patient care experience.... you would be an ideal candidate that is going to specialize and become a BMT specialist or an interventional cardiologist, and that is something OHSU is not looking for.... with all honesty, after you finish medical school at OHSU, and do your residency somewhere else, will you serve the Oregon community? will you consider living in gold beach , oregon, and serve as a PCP???, if your answer is no, OHSU is not a good fit for you and you are not a good fit for them..... and you being put on hold shouldn't suprise you.....

Is it really that black and white for this school though? I got the very distinct impression that OHSU was trying very hard to break its image of a primary care school, even and almost especially at the behest of lessened state funding. Isn't that sort of why they transitioned to a public corporation from a public school?

 

[KnightCancer]

acoustic, when you look at OHSU's curriculum and speak with students there, they will tell you that the curriculum puts alot of emphasis on family medicine. Some students are happy about this and some are not. 2009 Step 1 pass rate for OHSU is 90%; 4-5% below national average.......; i think this is an indication that the school is actually accepting students that prefer to go into PCP...
90% of Oregonians are medically under-served... and OHSU is the only medical school in the state.... you have the give the school some reassurance that you will serve Oregon.... now words cant do that, you have to show......

 

[Acoustic]

acoustic, when you look at OHSU's curriculum and speak with students there, they will tell you that the curriculum puts alot of emphasis on family medicine. Some students are happy about this and some are not. 2009 Step 1 pass rate for OHSU is 90%; 4-5% below national average.......; i think this is an indication that the school is actually accepting students that prefer to go into PCP...
90% of Oregonians are medically under-served... and OHSU is the only medical school in the state.... you have the give the school some reassurance that you will serve Oregon.... now words cant do that, you have to show......

I was basing that perception on those of interviewers. I only slightly mentioned that OHSU is perceived to be a primary care school, and both interviewers went on for at least 10 minutes about how it absolutely isn't true. They both cited being the only med school in Oregon as a strong driving force for research since they cover a wider patient base and thus have consistently more complex diseases, as opposed to a larger city with two or three schools with maybe six schools in the state, all sharing the same patient base. They also asked no questions about my plans for practicing and during the exit interview there was no mention of this either. I also spoke with a student during the tour (a 4th year), and she said that the low passing rates were more indicative of the mission-based group approach where extremely low GPAs and MCATs will be ignored to attract people who are in state and will remain there. Low passing rates were also said to be indicative of OHSU not teaching to the boards, as in they didn't form their curriculum on how to pass a test but how to practice medicine (almost a direct quote from that student). I don't know if any of this is true, but I don't think OHSU is definitely one way or the other as far as primary care vs. specialty medicine goes. There are only a handful of schools that probably are...

 

[Dr. Saturn]

I really have no idea what they'll do in your case, but I think they only look at the GPA that comes directly from your ACMAS, so whatever you put there is more than likely what they'll use (as there won't really be any other source). Hopefully you tweaked AMCAS to reflect the better grades? I think it's going to need to be based largely on the prereqs though.

As for 20% of your admissions score, I don't really think it works as straightforward as that. I think at OHSU there is a distinct difference between the various cuts. If you get an interview, the criteria used to base that decision have no or a very small amount of bearing on your eventual admission. Scores and grades play absolutely no factor in your interview as the interviewers are blinded to scores (they actually go in a use a marker to black out the scores I believe) unless you purposefully decide to mention scores to an interviewer. Given that, your worries about GPA probably only matter for an interview invite, and then probably don't go much further.

I guess I don't understand how you can tweak AMCAS. I reported all my schools, and they matched my grades with my transcripts. All those gpas are on Amcas, computed by them. I have 3 overalls and 2 science. I am a fairly non-traditional student though, so I doubt that happens much. One of those overalls is from my Master's.

And the 20% gpa plus MCAT number came straight from an admissions officer in the Dean's office. I think it is correct. She very much played down the significance of those numbers in lieu of clinical experience and volunteering, benchwork research, publications--more unique factors.

 

[Dr. Saturn]

If you get an interview, the criteria used to base that decision have no or a very small amount of bearing on your eventual admission. Scores and grades play absolutely no factor in your interview as the interviewers are blinded to scores.

I should have said this above. The same ad. officer said that only 1 of your interviewers knows your scores/gpa, the rest are blinded. I thought maybe there were only 2, one blinded, one not, but I can't remember for certain.

Since we are just at the base of the hill from OHSU, we get forums and classes for pre-meds. That is where I got this information.

 

[URHere]

acoustic, when you look at OHSU's curriculum and speak with students there, they will tell you that the curriculum puts alot of emphasis on family medicine. Some students are happy about this and some are not. 2009 Step 1 pass rate for OHSU is 90%; 4-5% below national average.......; i think this is an indication that the school is actually accepting students that prefer to go into PCP...
90% of Oregonians are medically under-served... and OHSU is the only medical school in the state.... you have the give the school some reassurance that you will serve Oregon.... now words cant do that, you have to show......

Do many students at OHSU want to go into primary care? Absolutely. But, is OHSU obsessed with recruiting future PCPs and teaching a primary care-heavy curriculum? Probably not.

As far as state schools are concerned, OHSU does not operate like most of them. The school receives little state funding, and the medical school admissions people are not going to start crying if many of their graduates end up moving to the east coast and specializing (While this would be bad for the state, it wouldn't be nearly so bad for the school). In all honesty, I think that OHSU's primary care reputation has much more to do with the school's love of non-traditional students than anything else. If you are already 36 with 3 kids, are you really going to long for a decade of neurosurgery training after school is finished? Probably not. Similarly, are you going to be able to ignore your family for 4 years just for the sake of AOA? Again, no.

Many students here (like myself) want nothing to do with primary care, and the school is just fine with that. It also should be mentioned that for every lecture on primary care nutrition that I sat through at OHSU, I had an overy-specialized lecture on neurosurgial pain technique, etc to match it.

And, for what its worth, the 2009 USMLE average for OHSU was an outlier from previous years. Just saying.

 

[Acoustic]

Do many students at OHSU want to go into primary care? Absolutely. But, is OHSU obsessed with recruiting future PCPs and teaching a primary care-heavy curriculum? Probably not.

As far as state schools are concerned, OHSU does not operate like most of them. The school receives little state funding, and the medical school admissions people are not going to start crying if many of their graduates end up moving to the east coast and specializing (While this would be bad for the state, it wouldn't be nearly so bad for the school). In all honesty, I think that OHSU's primary care reputation has much more to do with the school's love of non-traditional students than anything else. If you are already 36 with 3 kids, are you really going to long for a decade of neurosurgery training after school is finished? Probably not. Similarly, are you going to be able to ignore your family for 4 years just for the sake of AOA? Again, no.

Many students here (like myself) want nothing to do with primary care, and the school is just fine with that. It also should be mentioned that for every lecture on primary care nutrition that I sat through at OHSU, I had an overy-specialized lecture on neurosurgial pain technique, etc to match it.

And, for what its worth, the 2009 USMLE average for OHSU was an outlier from previous years. Just saying.

That's definitely the impression I get from OHSU too. I think if anything the school has a vested interest in moving away from that primary care stigma. I think it's making the state less inclined to fund the school, but then the school is less inclined to be directed by the state's needs. Overall it strikes me as a balanced school in the several-year-long process of leaning towards research & specialization.

 

[Dr. Saturn]

That's definitely the impression I get from OHSU too. I think if anything the school has a vested interest in moving away from that primary care stigma. I think it's making the state less inclined to fund the school, but then the school is less inclined to be directed by the state's needs. Overall it strikes me as a balanced school in the several-year-long process of leaning towards research & specialization.

My understand is that the state funding situation is a response to the dearth in educational dollars created by the narrow tax base that is fairly unique to Oregon. Our public schools, particularly Portland Public, are woefully underfunded, and to divert dollars away from kindergarteners and give them to medical students doesn't play well with the electorate.

Research is run largely on external grants. At least that is the way it has been in the OHSU labs I have been associated with. Postdocs and students tend to come and go as the funding waxes and wanes. The reputation as a research institute is build on the shoulders of the P.I.s.

 

[Dmannn]

Interview email today, for those wondering to satisfy your neurotic appetite for comparison I am oos, 3.68 cumulative/science 35 mcat.

Good luck everyone

 

[barcoderider]

barcoderider, what kind of patient care experience do you have? for OHSU if you have 4.0 /45 you will get rejected if you dont have first hand patient care experience.... you would be an ideal candidate that is going to specialize and become a BMT specialist or an interventional cardiologist, and that is something OHSU is not looking for.... with all honesty, after you finish medical school at OHSU, and do your residency somewhere else, will you serve the Oregon community? will you consider living in gold beach , oregon, and serve as a PCP???, if your answer is no, OHSU is not a good fit for you and you are not a good fit for them..... and you being put on hold shouldn't suprise you.....

I have lots of patient care experience, but those all sound like valid points.

Although am I wrong to think, based on the name, that Gold Beach sounds like an awesome place? 🙂

Acoustic, I don't think I fit in any of their other mission based groups.

Anyway, the school interests me, but I hope that those of you who really really want to go to this school get interviews!

 

[cfx]

Would anyone mind giving me the rundown on the timeline after they submitted their secondary?

I submitted mine quite a while ago, and nothing has changed. I haven't received any email since the secondary invite, and my 'status' page is essentially blank (states the date that I submitted my secondary and the date that I submitted payment, but nothing else). I know you all have mentioned that things run fairly slowly, but I just wanted to be sure that there isn't something wrong/incomplete that I need to take care of.

Thanks.

 

[KelMD]

Would anyone mind giving me the rundown on the timeline after they submitted their secondary?

I submitted mine quite a while ago, and nothing has changed. I haven't received any email since the secondary invite, and my 'status' page is essentially blank (states the date that I submitted my secondary and the date that I submitted payment, but nothing else). I know you all have mentioned that things run fairly slowly, but I just wanted to be sure that there isn't something wrong/incomplete that I need to take care of.

Thanks.

Secondary Submitted 9/14, App Complete 10/1
Sent my LOR in well before (in August). Hope this helps.

 

[BullDog4Eva]

Secondary Submitted 9/14, App Complete 10/1
Sent my LOR in well before (in August). Hope this helps.

Crap... I submitted 09/10 and still haven't gotten a complete e-mail. Should I worry?

I'm OOS... could that be why it's taking a little longer?

 

[Melicopter]

barcoderider, what kind of patient care experience do you have? for OHSU if you have 4.0 /45 you will get rejected if you dont have first hand patient care experience.... you would be an ideal candidate that is going to specialize and become a BMT specialist or an interventional cardiologist, and that is something OHSU is not looking for.... with all honesty, after you finish medical school at OHSU, and do your residency somewhere else, will you serve the Oregon community? will you consider living in gold beach , oregon, and serve as a PCP???, if your answer is no, OHSU is not a good fit for you and you are not a good fit for them..... and you being put on hold shouldn't suprise you.....

This is ridiculous. There are plenty of people here who have no interest in primary care and have never claimed to.

The first hand patient experience? Yes. That is a HUGE deal. I shadowed three physicians and was a temporary volunteer in a couple of clinics - I was told I was short on clinical experience. I got in, but my interviewer said that was my application's biggest weakness.

I can't tell exactly what this person's beef is, but he/she is obviously bitter about something. So bitter as to create an account just to complain about the school. Doesn't exactly lend credence to the complaints.

Yes, the school makes sure we're all aware of the primary care shortage. They make a greater effort to make sure we try out various fields, check out the careers in medicine surveys, etc. to see what really fits. We are required to spend clinic time with both primary care and non-primary care physicians in the first two years.

 

[Dr. Saturn]

Crap... I submitted 09/10 and still haven't gotten a complete e-mail. Should I worry?

I'm OOS... could that be why it's taking a little longer?

I submitted 9/12 and haven't heard. My understanding from talking to someone there in person was that the process in order and then give to committee based on mission groups. Maybe ours are about to clear???

 

[KelMD]

Crap... I submitted 09/10 and still haven't gotten a complete e-mail. Should I worry?

I'm OOS... could that be why it's taking a little longer?

I'm OOS and it wasn't an email, it was a change on the status page online 🙂.

 

[ImmortaliaX]

Yep, same here. Also, from one of their documents on the secondary page: "Once your file is complete and ready for further review, you will be notified via the Admissions Portal." It doesn't mention a complete email.

 

[Dr. Saturn]

Yep, same here. Also, from one of their documents on the secondary page: "Once your file is complete and ready for further review, you will be notified via the Admissions Portal." It doesn't mention a complete email.

I am in state. Mine is still not marked complete on the portal. Submitted 9/12/10.

I know for residencies, they divide the stack, and some people finish faster than others. That might account for some being complete and some not with similar dates.

 

[chuck84]

Secondary submitted. For those who already got interviews, when do they start interviewing (or have they already)?

 

[Acoustic]

Secondary submitted. For those who already got interviews, when do they start interviewing (or have they already)?

Hey chuck84! I remember you from last year's thread. You were wait-listed weren't you? What number did they make it to last year? Good luck to you this cycle!

 

[mtmed]

Rejected. WICHE, 3.7 33Q (2 mission groups). wtf mate.

 

[byurazorhog]

I had a couple of science classes last year with a guy named Chuck🙂 Anyway, good luck to you this time around Chuck! I have a feeling many of you reapplicants will get in this year.

 

[byurazorhog]

Rejected. WICHE, 3.7 33Q (2 mission groups). wtf mate.

Ouch...sorry mtmed! I hope you have applied broadly as your stats are good enough to get in many other schools. with the rest of your season. At least OHSU doesn't play the silent rejection/eternal waiting game.

 

[Simplify]

Rejected.