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Well if you look at the data from last year:

98 people were on the waitlist, which means about 33 people per third. We have about 11 people here on SDN who are in the upper third. The list couldn't have moved that much already or odds would be that at least one of us would be in already.
 
2009 -2010 SDN Waitlist Acceptances:

1st Tier - April 8th, 9th, 9th, 16th, 19th, 23rd, 23rd, 23rd, 30th
May 3rd, 3rd, 5th

2nd Tier - May 13th, 18, 18, 18th, 18th, 21st, 21st, 25th, 27th, 27th
June 4th, 4th

3rd Tier - June 10th, 10th, 10th
July 22nd

It appears that seven SDNers did not get in from the waitlist.
While the 2008 - 2009 waitlist was less well-documented it is similar,
with the middle tier getting in from mid May to early June.

Things appear to be unfolding as they should🙂.
 
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nossan said:
2009 -2010 Waitlist Acceptances:

1st Tier - April 8th Thurs, 9th Fri, 9th Fri, 16th Fri, 19th Mon, 23rd Fri, 23rd Fri, 23rd Fri, 30th Fri
May 3rd Mon, 3rd Mon, 5th Wed

2nd Tier - May 13th Thurs, 18 Tues, 18 Tues, 18th Tues, 18th Tues, 21st Fri, 21st Fri, 25th Tues, 27th Thurs, 27th Thurs
June 4th Fri, 4th Fri

3rd Tier - June 10th Thurs, 10th Thurs, 10th Thurs
July 22nd Thurs
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I think I'm just going to start stressing on Fridays and Mondays for a little while.
 
Accepted:
Gnocchi Monster's friend (A: 4/7, 1st tier)

Upper Tier:
virginiagirl
Bambalam
NeverDefeated
RTR10
Ditto1114
premed3753
piper19
HP9965
alienshards
aeea
AUpremed22

Middle Tier:
Putters
AUGuy
Remedy27
GnocchiMonster
WillCall
buckmaster11
ruraldoc7
preMDala

Bottom Tier:
YH5
BamaMed19
OdoyleRulez
jmb222
nossan

Is there anyone else who needs to go on the list?
 
I've been lurking for a while and decided to sign up today. I'm in the middle third.
 
Accepted:
Gnocchi Monster's friend (A: 4/7, 1st tier)

Upper Tier:
virginiagirl
Bambalam
NeverDefeated
RTR10
Ditto1114
premed3753
piper19
HP9965
alienshards
aeea
AUpremed22

Middle Tier:
Putters
AUGuy
Remedy27
GnocchiMonster
WillCall
buckmaster11
ruraldoc7
preMDala
Dapado33

Bottom Tier:
YH5
BamaMed19
OdoyleRulez
jmb222
nossan

Thanks Dapado - welcome!
Gnocchi - was your friend a male? with a mother? who has a friend😳?
 
HP9965 said:
Well if you look at the data from last year:

98 people were on the waitlist, which means about 33 people per third. We have about 11 people here on SDN who are in the upper third. The list couldn't have moved that much already or odds would be that at least one of us would be in already.
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Well, let's treat the upper third like a deck of cards with 33 cards, 11 of which are SDNers. We'll say it's random, which since we don't know for sure, is the best approx.

We know the first "card" drawn was not an SDNer. This makes the second card drawn a 21/32 (65%) chance of not being an SDNer.

the chances are actually greater that we have two unique individuals here, rather than a repeat. (with no other data).

In fact, if we take only the first case as confirmed, then there is a 6% chance that the next 6 people admitted off the top tier are not SDNers. There could already be significant movement in the list that we are unaware of.

Last year's waitlist movement data supports the idea that we have two unique admittances so far, at least.

Using some weighted averages and statistical voodoo, I can tell you that the first SDNer admitted is most likely to be the 2.75th person admitted (or 3rd person, being reasonable and rounding from fractional people). However, the first SDNer admitted could be up to the 8th person admitted without angering the statistics gods.

In short, the list is probably progressing at a reasonable rate.

(Yes, we do have this down to a science. Statistics, more accurately.)

Edit: Gnocchi monster posted while I was writing this. I can't confirm my case is unique, as I assumed male (my friend's mom said what seemed to be an Indian name that seemed male to me, but there's a chance not). But chances are it is a unique case.
 
Impressive statistical analysis.

Edit: does anyone know if they admitted as many oos people pre-waitlist as last year? This really seems to be the driving force behind the wait list movement.
 
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Hi!

I've been lurking on this board awhile, I posted awhile back too when I was trying to decide on schools. Anyway, I wanted to wish all of you on the wait list luck for some quick decisions. I love the statistical analysis that's been going on ha. I look forward to seeing you at orientation!
 
you can add me to the upper third list. Hoping we all hear something this month.
 
I too love all of the detective work going on
I have sent this forum link to a few people that I know are on the wait list and that I do not think are on SDN
 
Accepted:
Gnocchi Monster's friend (A: 4/7, 1st tier)

Upper Tier:
virginiagirl
Bambalam
NeverDefeated
RTR10
Ditto1114
premed3753
piper19
HP9965
alienshards
aeea
AUpremed22
spate36

Middle Tier:
Putters
AUGuy
Remedy27
GnocchiMonster
WillCall
buckmaster11
ruraldoc7
preMDala

Bottom Tier:
YH5
BamaMed19
OdoyleRulez
jmb222
nossan
 
Well, if you guys like data, I've got some older data that basically confirms what we know.

for 2007 there were 119 oos interviews and 58 oos acceptances. 39 OOS acceptances did not matriculate, leaving 19 oos in the class
There were 254 IS interviews, with 174 IS acceptances. 17 IS acceptances did not matriculate, leaving 157 IS in the class.
This was a movement of 56. We're going to assume the waitlist is at 100, so this means all of upper third and over 2/3rds of middle third.

For 2008 data looks extremely similar, although I don't have acceptance data (only interview/ matriculant)

However, this confirms what many of us know; most waitlist movement is due to oos students.

Looking at last year's SDN waitlist acceptances we can see a few patterns. These are conjecture, and not fact, but I'll allow it. (thanks nosssan for collecting the data)

we should expect to see significant waitlist movement after these dates:

April 16th, which is the deadline for scholarship apps.
May 15th, which is the last day to get back your deposit.

Upper third: Expect to hear before middle of may. Start looking for a place to live.

Middle third: Expect to hear by the end of june, maybe even up to july 25th. Start looking for a place to live, but you should also start thinking about a backup plan.

Lower third: Wait until july. Be looking into that back-up plan. (May I suggest a job with impact alabama? http://www.impactalabama.org/ They take 1 year commitments, starts in july. Pay is a pittance, so it's basically volunteering with living expenses kind of covered. People there are nice, I'm sure if you went into it saying "if they call me on July 24th saying I'm into med school I'm going" they would probably work with that)

Last year was different from previous years, and we don't know if it's a fluke or not yet, so I'm hesitant on my predictions for the thirds. If it's not a fluke though we should get into the lower third. (adcoms seem to be creatures of habit.)

Feel free to call me out on anything that's incorrect.
 
Good morning everyone.

spate36, welcome. It's a good time for everyone to come onboard the waitlist. It's crucial for middle and lower tier people when the acceptances start slowing around mid-June. With a more complete list, we will have assurance that acceptances continue, have slowed, or have stopped🙁.
 
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alienshards said:
Well, if you guys like data, I've got some older data that basically confirms what we know.

for 2007 there were 119 oos interviews and 58 oos acceptances. 39 OOS acceptances did not matriculate, leaving 19 oos in the class
There were 254 IS interviews, with 174 IS acceptances. 17 IS acceptances did not matriculate, leaving 157 IS in the class.
This was a movement of 56. We're going to assume the waitlist is at 100, so this means all of upper third and over 2/3rds of middle third.

For 2008 data looks extremely similar, although I don't have acceptance data (only interview/ matriculant)

However, this confirms what many of us know; most waitlist movement is due to oos students.

Looking at last year's SDN waitlist acceptances we can see a few patterns. These are conjecture, and not fact, but I'll allow it. (thanks nosssan for collecting the data)

we should expect to see significant waitlist movement after these dates:

April 16th, which is the deadline for scholarship apps.
May 15th, which is the last day to get back your deposit.

Upper third: Expect to hear before middle of may. Start looking for a place to live.

Middle third: Expect to hear by the end of june, maybe even up to july 25th. Start looking for a place to live, but you should also start thinking about a backup plan.

Lower third: Wait until july. Be looking into that back-up plan. (May I suggest a job with impact alabama? http://www.impactalabama.org/ They take 1 year commitments, starts in july. Pay is a pittance, so it's basically volunteering with living expenses kind of covered. People there are nice, I'm sure if you went into it saying "if they call me on July 24th saying I'm into med school I'm going" they would probably work with that)

Last year was different from previous years, and we don't know if it's a fluke or not yet, so I'm hesitant on my predictions for the thirds. If it's not a fluke though we should get into the lower third. (adcoms seem to be creatures of habit.)

Feel free to call me out on anything that's incorrect.
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You're new name is Dr. Statistics. If we both get accepted, I'm sitting next to you next year. 😛
 
Don't forget waitlist attrition. There will always be some waitlisters that get in somewhere else and pull their application. It was 8 of 96 last year if I remember correctly.
 
I know someone who got in this morning. Not sure if they are a SDNer or not. Seems to be really moving.
 
alienshards said:
Well, if you guys like data, I've got some older data that basically confirms what we know.

for 2007 there were 119 oos interviews and 58 oos acceptances. 39 OOS acceptances did not matriculate, leaving 19 oos in the class
There were 254 IS interviews, with 174 IS acceptances. 17 IS acceptances did not matriculate, leaving 157 IS in the class.
This was a movement of 56. We're going to assume the waitlist is at 100, so this means all of upper third and over 2/3rds of middle third.

For 2008 data looks extremely similar, although I don't have acceptance data (only interview/ matriculant)

However, this confirms what many of us know; most waitlist movement is due to oos students.
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I don't know if this is where you got your data, but UAB lists acceptance info here: http://medicine.uab.edu/about/44733/

In 2009 their OOS acceptances jumped from the 50s to the high 80s, with the trend continuing into 2010. I guess the big question for a lot of us is did they continue the trend from the last two years and accept almost 90 OOS students, or did they dial it back.
 
If you look at the UASOM Class of 2015 Facebook page, 2 girls have said that they were accepted last year but took leaves of absences and are restarting with this year's class....Will they be a part of the 176 or will there be 178 starting this summer? Any ideas
 
aeea said:
If you look at the UASOM Class of 2015 Facebook page, 2 girls have said that they were accepted last year but took leaves of absences and are restarting with this year's class....Will they be a part of the 176 or will there be 178 starting this summer? Any ideas
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They will be part of the 176. I have friends that are MS1's and they have people in their class that should be MS2's; however, they also took a leave of absence. They are included in the 176 since thats the most students the class can handle.
 
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remedy27 said:
I don't know if this is where you got your data, but UAB lists acceptance info here: http://medicine.uab.edu/about/44733/

In 2009 their OOS acceptances jumped from the 50s to the high 80s, with the trend continuing into 2010. I guess the big question for a lot of us is did they continue the trend from the last two years and accept almost 90 OOS students, or did they dial it back.
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I was going off of an old US news. That data is much more complete.

With this data I'd be more confident is saying that we should expect a decent movement of the waitlist again.

In 2009 there was a waitlist movement of 100. In 2010 there was a waitlist movement of 90.

I don't see them changing their pattern of admitting more OOS after only 2 years, so I think we'll see a similar movement.

However, it is possible that they enlarged the waitlist. We were estimating a waitlist of 100. If they didn't change the number last year, I doubt they'll change it this year. (however, we could be under-estimating waitlist size) Looking at the pattern of acceptances, if the middle third acceptances start falling in early may, we'd be on track to be getting into the lower third.

So, revising the earlier per-third predictions:

Upper third: Expect to hear before middle of may. Start looking for a place to live.

Middle third: Expect to hear by the end of june. Start looking for a place to live. A backup plan is not quite necessary, but not crazy.

Lower third: Wait. If the transition to middle third happens on schedule (early to mid may), then a number of you should get in. Have a place picked out that you could stroll into in july and get a place then. (unfortunately this pro. means apartments out on lakeshore or 280). I'd say it's at least a 50/50 shot.

So by middle may most people should know where they stand.
 
alienshards, thanks for reminding me of one of the huge perks of med school...everyone's just as nerdy as me. Just read your analysis and it made my day.

To everyone else, I've got a question that I'd some opinions on. Can anyone think of a summer job where I could make some money to help with moving expenses? The catch is I need to stay in North AL and I need to be able to look for an apartment. I'm asking because I've pretty much exhausted the standard stuff: ie internships (not a good area for my major), research (again, not a good area for my major). I'm just hoping you guys can come up with something creative. Thanks and good luck to everyone waiting.
 
Calfox21 said:
alienshards, thanks for reminding me of one of the huge perks of med school...everyone's just as nerdy as me. Just read your analysis and it made my day.

To everyone else, I've got a question that I'd some opinions on. Can anyone think of a summer job where I could make some money to help with moving expenses? The catch is I need to stay in North AL and I need to be able to look for an apartment. I'm asking because I've pretty much exhausted the standard stuff: ie internships (not a good area for my major), research (again, not a good area for my major). I'm just hoping you guys can come up with something creative. Thanks and good luck to everyone waiting.
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Try looking up Spain Park Day camp
They are a summer camp for children 5-13 that opperates at Spain Park High School. They only are open from June to the first week of July
You can search them online and when you email or call ask for Renee Vance, asst. camp director. You can tell her that Erica told you about the camp.
 
Also, last years data says that 68 people were offered spots off the alternate list. Alienshards noted that there were 90 more acceptances offered than spots last year. This means that there were 22 people that either withdrew from the class before the wait list came out or represent attrition off of the wait list.
 
Calfox21 said:
alienshards, thanks for reminding me of one of the huge perks of med school...everyone's just as nerdy as me. Just read your analysis and it made my day.

To everyone else, I've got a question that I'd some opinions on. Can anyone think of a summer job where I could make some money to help with moving expenses? The catch is I need to stay in North AL and I need to be able to look for an apartment. I'm asking because I've pretty much exhausted the standard stuff: ie internships (not a good area for my major), research (again, not a good area for my major). I'm just hoping you guys can come up with something creative. Thanks and good luck to everyone waiting.
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What did you major in?
 
AUpremed22 said:
They will be part of the 176. I have friends that are MS1's and they have people in their class that should be MS2's; however, they also took a leave of absence. They are included in the 176 since thats the most students the class can handle.
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I think the MS1 class this year started with 178 (176 accepted as normal and then 2 additonal that took a leave of absence from the class of 2013). From what I understand every new class has 176 acceptances and then the addition of any others that took at leave of absence during the previous year. The more the merrier!
 
bhappy2015 said:
I think the MS1 class this year started with 178 (176 accepted as normal and then 2 additonal that took a leave of absence from the class of 2013). From what I understand every new class has 176 acceptances and then the addition of any others that took at leave of absence during the previous year. The more the merrier!
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Ah, well, my apologies. I am just going to assume I was told wrong then.
 
alienshards said:
That's what I've been told too. Deferred admissions count against the 176. Emsap counts against slots too.
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I could be wrong - this is just what I was told - We'll have to wait and see how many are in Volker on July 26.
 
I am MS-1 at UASOM and I just wanted to chime in about people with leave of absences coming back. This year we had 11 people drop out/fail out so far. I doubt that you would be competing with them. I dont know if they are all coming back, but it would be unfair if they took the spots away from you guys.
 
Hey everybody! I've been lurking for a while and would like to thank everyone for all of their help and "inside" info. Add me to the waitlist as well--Upper third. Hopefully this thing gets moving soon.
 
hey guys, I'm a current MS-1 and just wanted to update yall because i was freaking out this time last year... we have lost quite a few this year (~14 total), with the majority being medical reasons

I know of 4 that are for sure coming back- they WILL count against the total number of people in each class!

We had a couple people repeat in our class- and we started at 176... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right

Last year was different than all other years- they increased the amount of OOS acceptances, increased the #on the waitlist, so the waitlist moved more than usual- almost half of our class is from the waitlist... south alabama was all screwed up because of what UAB did- their waitlist was like 1.5 months late coming out- so I wouldn't necessarily rely on the numbers from last year...

I probably won't get back on bc school sucks right now- sorry if you ask a question and i dont respond!

GOOD LUCK!
 
bamapremeds said:
hey guys, I'm a current MS-1 and just wanted to update yall because i was freaking out this time last year... we have lost quite a few this year (~14 total), with the majority being medical reasons

I know of 4 that are for sure coming back- they WILL count against the total number of people in each class!

We had a couple people repeat in our class- and we started at 176... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right

Last year was different than all other years- they increased the amount of OOS acceptances, increased the #on the waitlist, so the waitlist moved more than usual- almost half of our class is from the waitlist... south alabama was all screwed up because of what UAB did- their waitlist was like 1.5 months late coming out- so I wouldn't necessarily rely on the numbers from last year...

I probably won't get back on bc school sucks right now- sorry if you ask a question and i dont respond!

GOOD LUCK!
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Well, thats all bad news
 
Admission's data suggests that the increase in OOS happened in 2009, and 2010 was not entirely abnormal. (both years were similar, seeming to start a new trend.) see this: http://medicine.uab.edu/about/44733/

The number I've heard from current students is as many as 20 1st years have left the class. Don't know how accurate that info is, but chances are a number of them will be in our year. However, they are part of the accepted group. I don't think it quite affects the waitlist at this point-- it reduced the number of spots available for this year (by about 10%), so with ideal logic we'd see a 10% reduction in waitlist movement, which means instead of going down 90 spots we go down 80 spots or so. Which isn't entirely good news, but I wouldn't be expecting a 30 spot waitlist year or anything.

although, if we assume they took IS spots in this year's class, then they would barely affect the waitlist, changing it only 2 or 3 spots. However, it does mean that a few people who would have been straight accepted were instead waitlisted.
 
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alienshards said:
Admission's data suggests that the increase in OOS happened in 2009, and 2010 was not entirely abnormal. (both years were similar, seeming to start a new trend.) see this: http://medicine.uab.edu/about/44733/

The number I've heard from current students is as many as 20 1st years have left the class. Don't know how accurate that info is, but chances are a number of them will be in our year. However, they are part of the accepted group. I don't think it quite affects the waitlist at this point-- it reduced the number of spots available for this year (by about 10%), so with ideal logic we'd see a 10% reduction in waitlist movement, which means instead of going down 90 spots we go down 80 spots or so. Which isn't entirely good news, but I wouldn't be expecting a 30 spot waitlist year or anything.

although, if we assume they took IS spots in this year's class, then they would barely affect the waitlist, changing it only 2 or 3 spots. However, it does mean that a few people who would have been straight accepted were instead waitlisted.
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Even if the number of OOS people dropped back down to old levels of around 50, that would still leave about 20-30 spots off the waitlist at minimum, not counting IS people who drop out. I think the most reliable trend is to look at overall # of acceptances offered for the 176 spots. In each year (for which data is available) 232-275 admissions have been extended. That means that anywhere between 56-99 spots could be made available. Some of these spots do not translate to waitlist acceptances due to some individuals withdrawing before the waitlist comes out. So, let's assume that 25 or so withdraw pre-waitlist, that still leaves at minimum 31 spots available to waitlisted people. Alienshards, how is my thinking?
 
HP9965 said:
Even if the number of OOS people dropped back down to old levels of around 50, that would still leave about 20-30 spots off the waitlist at minimum, not counting IS people who drop out. I think the most reliable trend is to look at overall # of acceptances offered for the 176 spots. In each year (for which data is available) 232-275 admissions have been extended. That means that anywhere between 56-99 spots could be made available. Some of these spots do not translate to waitlist acceptances due to some individuals withdrawing before the waitlist comes out. So, let's assume that 25 or so withdraw pre-waitlist, that still leaves at minimum 31 spots available to waitlisted people. Alienshards, how is my thinking?
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Good logic, although I think that waitlist attrition is only counted if an acceptance is offered. If you withdraw from waitlist before gaining admissions, I don't think you count in the acceptance number. Only those who are offered admissions and then turn it down would count.
 
Adding some names that fell off the list.



Accepted:
Gnocchi Monster's friend (A: 4/7, 1st tier)
BamaMed19's friend (A: 4/13, 1st tier)

Upper Tier:
virginiagirl
Bambalam
NeverDefeated
RTR10
Ditto1114
premed3753
piper19
HP9965
alienshards
aeea
AUpremed22
spate36

Middle Tier:
Putters
AUGuy
Remedy27
GnocchiMonster
WillCall
buckmaster11
ruraldoc7
preMDala
Dapado33
rrroddy

Bottom Tier:
YH5
BamaMed19
OdoyleRulez
jmb222
nossan
 
Thanks for the catch YH5

Accepted:
Gnocchi Monster's friend (A: 4/7, 1st tier)
BamaMed19's friend (A: 4/13, 1st tier)

Upper Tier:
virginiagirl
Bambalam
NeverDefeated
RTR10
Ditto1114
premed3753
piper19
HP9965
alienshards
aeea
AUpremed22
spate36
pikpik55

Middle Tier:
Putters
AUGuy
Remedy27
GnocchiMonster
WillCall
buckmaster11
ruraldoc7
preMDala
Dapado33
rrroddy

Bottom Tier:
YH5
BamaMed19
OdoyleRulez
jmb222
nossan

Welcome pikpik55. Thanks to all the MS-1s for checking in. Is this year typical in the # of dropouts? I was surprised by 11 - 14+
 
nossan said:
Welcome pikpik55. Thanks to all the MS-1s for checking in. Is this year typical in the # of dropouts? I was surprised by 11 - 14+
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I was very surprised when a first year told me that 11 people had dropped during my interview this year. Especially because only 22 people were left on the waitlist. I would've GLADLY taken their spot 🙁
 
Ditto1114 said:
I was very surprised when a first year told me that 11 people had dropped during my interview this year. Especially because only 22 people were left on the waitlist. I would've GLADLY taken their spot 🙁
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Thought the same thing, painful.
 
Ditto1114 said:
I was very surprised when a first year told me that 11 people had dropped during my interview this year. Especially because only 22 people were left on the waitlist. I would've GLADLY taken their spot 🙁
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No it is not normal to have that many- most years lose only 1-2. But like I said a lot were for different medical reasons or personal reasons, so don't be so quick to judge and say you would gladly have taken their place... life is complicated, and things happen when you least expect it... and no we did not lose 22- we have lost exactly 14 ppl-

like I said good luck! i know the waiting sucks, i was in the same boat last year
 
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