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Thanks for the congrats and replies thus far- Trip hillcrest is directly across markham from UAMS (or so i think) so thats why i want to shoot for a place there. By the time school starts in Aug. i will be married and have already been told that the dorms are a no go (understandable i guess) for "our first house". Keep the advice coming, im sure there will be more trying to scramble to make plans come February. Awesome responses so far thanks again
 
In the past you were able to live with your spouse in the dorms, has this changed? My dad and my mom married in undergrad, and I know my dad spent his first year in the dorms. This was before they were remodeled though...
 
Sorry i wasn't clear, i meant that i was told by my sig other that the on campus option is no good ; not that the powers that be told me that.
 
In the past you were able to live with your spouse in the dorms, has this changed? My dad and my mom married in undergrad, and I know my dad spent his first year in the dorms. This was before they were remodeled though...

I don't think it's the school that's telling him he can't live in the dorms. 🙂

Edit: Nevermind, my posting fingers aren't quite swift enough.
 
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Your SO already doesn't like me that much? Man, I must really not be popular...
 
I've been off for a bit, so I'll try to get back up to speed in one big post.

It's the total. All applicants are ranked together; there are not separate waitlists, though they will skip OOS applicants if they max out on their OOS quota. Anecdotally, it seems that the waitlisted OOS people seem to be closer to the top than Arkansas people, but that's only based on an incomplete survey of my class.
What he said. I don't have hard numbers on this either, but it seems like they only accept the minimum number of OOS initially, and then put a lot more of them near the top of the waitlist (except for in-state rural health applicants that are waitlisted, the few of them there are will be at the very top). That way as admitted in-state students defer for a year or a few decide to attend elsewhere, their spots get filled more often with OOS students (theoretically up to the max OOS number) than IS students.

Those of you that are current students ( Al and MJ ) or anyone else that has some input, besides apartmenthunters.com and similar sites how could i go about finding a place near campus. A couple friends told me that i should just go look in the area, but im trying to find a place in early may and im not sure there will be many openings then. Im looking for a 2 br (vacant) near campus (hillcrest or somewhere nearby) for under 1000/month. Is that an unreasonable expectation, and do you guys know if there are postings on campus for housing in the area. BTW i am wanting to rent not buy (like thats an option for me anyway!!:laugh:). Thanks in advance

Finding a place to live in Little Rock can be surprisingly difficult. I was spoiled by the college town approach of everyone putting their houses/apartments/condos/lofts/etc. on craigslist or their own websites and making it extremely easy to shop for apartments. Apparently they don't need to do that in Little Rock because... they just don't. Craiglist may help a little, but things in Hillcrest rent so fast that you can't rely on it. Apartment Hunters are great people and they helped me get my search started, but once again, Hillcrest houses rent really quickly. There really aren't any reputable apartments within walking distance to campus, but there are a ton of rental houses, you just have to get lucky and find one before everyone else does, because it's a high demand area.

Your price seems reasonable. I have a pretty nice 3 bed/2 ba house on N. Cedar that was rebuilt (renovated is an understatement, even the frame was redone) in 2008 about two blocks from campus and I pay $1200 a month, so surely a decent 2 bedroom could be had for under $1000. When I was looking I compiled a list of ideas from craigslist and Apartment Hunters and just went on a two day (spent the night in LR) blitz looking for places. I looked at several apartment buildings within a couple miles of campus (if you need a place to start, here's some of my list: Rivercliff, Riverwalk, The Residences at Riverdale, The Park at Riverdale, Summit House, Block 2 Lofts, Midtown Condos, and Crestwood off the top of my head), but ended up finding my place just driving up and down streets near campus. They had put out a "for lease" sign that morning and I happened to get lucky and call within a few minutes of them putting it out. This was in early June, which is when most landlords will start putting out signs for places that will be open in July or August.

Congrats on your acceptance Jt and Alex!

Jt- From friends, I've been told to either live on campus or live a few miles away from past medical students. That area of Little Rock may not be the best place to be commuting from daily, especially in odd hours. Personally, I'm leaning towards dorms for the first year.

Dorms.... Alright, here's my take on this. The UAMS dorms are pretty bland, small, and of average nice-ness, but their convenience to campus is perfect. Parking will still be a pain in the ass though, so don't think that living on campus means you'll have an easier time getting to your car than the students that commute. Another thing to consider is very limited availability- there aren't that many on-campus apartments available. When I considered living on campus (mainly so I didn't have to fight with finding a place within walking distance to campus), I called and found out there was a 1-year waiting list for the 1 bedrooms. They could get me into a studio if I wanted, but my bedroom in my current house is the size of a studio (and I was coming from having a really nice place to myself in Fayetteville, so I couldn't handle that much of a cut in space and furniture) and they weren't that cheap. For the price though, the dorms aren't a bad deal since they include everything. However, if you want (or don't mind) having roommates there are much nicer houses within walking distance of campus to be had for a little less money per person (and you can actually park at your house).

If you're not interested in walking to class, then the benefits of living in Hillcrest likely won't justify the higher prices you'll pay compared to West Little Rock or even North Little Rock. I have friends that live in Maumelle, Bryant, and even Conway, but after a long day in class and gross lab, your threshold for road rage is going to be low enough a commute will feel two to three times as long as it really is. You'll also be coming to (and leaving) campus most days at the exact same times everyone is heading to or leaving work, so expect traffic.

I live in maumelle and the commute is 15-25 minutes depending on traffic. I really like the area but it would be nice to live closer. I have a few friends that live in the riverwalk apts on riverfront dr. It's not far from campus at all, just off Cantrell and there are other apartments in that area as well.

I like the Riverdale area, and Riverwalk was probably my top pick for an apartment complex for the price if I hadn't found a house. However, you're still going to have to drive to class and deal with parking out at War Memorial if you live in that area, so it's not a great deal more convenient than living anywhere else in Little Rock. If I were shopping for places in Riverdale, Riverwalk Apartments, the Residences at Riverdale, and Rivercliff would be at the absolute top of my list for places to look. They tend not to be terribly cheap though, so a 2 bedroom (or larger) and roommates is probably a good move to defray costs. Some people also live at Brightwaters (right next to Riverwalk), which is cheaper, but I found it to be pretty junky and not worth the discount (I felt the same way about Crestwood in the Hillcrest area).

In the past you were able to live with your spouse in the dorms, has this changed? My dad and my mom married in undergrad, and I know my dad spent his first year in the dorms. This was before they were remodeled though...
They didn't remodel the dorms, they imploded the old tower and built new ones in a completely different location (the new hospital is where the dorm tower used to be), so they're a wildly different layout. The new dorms really aren't designed for married housing, and they're quite small. The 1 bedroom units could theoretically be used by a married couple, but it'd be like living in an extended stay hotel, not a real apartment.


As far as "where to live", that's almost worthy of it's own thread, but the general guidelines are: North of 630- this one is the most definite "rule", particularly near campus. If near campus, north of Markham is preferable. South of Markham may be okay, but it varies a lot block by block and you'll have to see if before you really know. So does north of Markham to an extent, but not near as much. Either east of University (I'd say even as far over as Rodney Parham) or West of 430. There are also some nice neighborhoods in the zone in between, but it varies a lot and they're not nice or convenient enough to really be worth looking at, in my opinion. Downtown is pretty nice if you like a little more urban/city feel (as urban as it gets in L.R. anyway), but housing options are very limited and can be expensive. The downtown commute is very easy since you can just take Markham. The WLR commute (or outlying suburbs) can be a real pain since the work traffic can turn a 10-15 minute drive into a 30-50 minute one. The Conway one is the worst idea ever, in my opinion, since I've had to make that drive numerous times at the getting out of class/getting off work times and it can easily take an hour an a half. In an area no bigger than Little Rock, that's just plain silly.

Your classmates (if it hasn't happened already, I haven't looked) will likely start a "UAMS CoM Class of 2015" group on Facebook and your Little Rock classmates and upperclassmen will find it and provide housing ideas, listings, thoughts on neighborhoods, and looking for roommates (this is how I found both my roommates). Once that group starts up, I'll find it and provide input as well, but in the meantime I'm happy to provide thoughts on locations/addresses/etc. on here. Congrats to those of you that got January admits, and I'll keep my fingers crossed for your guys in February.
 
I've been off for a bit, so I'll try to get back up to speed in one big post.

Amazing Post!!! Very informative. Thanks for all the great advice, looks like the real search will be on in the coming months. I guess it couldn't hurt to start that group (maybe match day will generate some open housing near campus)
 
Amazing Post!!! Very informative. Thanks for all the great advice, looks like the real search will be on in the coming months. I guess it couldn't hurt to start that group (maybe match day will generate some open housing near campus)

I did a look around and it looks like they've started the group:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_183392721681079

I haven't used the "new" Facebook groups yet, but I asked to join and will try to help you guys out over there too.
 
I did a look around and it looks like they've started the group:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_183392721681079

I haven't used the "new" Facebook groups yet, but I asked to join and will try to help you guys out over there too.

Wow i missed that group when i searched for it.

Hey MJ what do you guys wear to class? I know there is "no dress code" but what does that end up looking like?
 
Wow i missed that group when i searched for it.

Hey MJ what do you guys wear to class? I know there is "no dress code" but what does that end up looking like?
Yeah, I just got added to it... I think I may just know who you are now since you're the only one on there so far I don't alreday know, haha. Also, your name is just a little similar to your name on here.

The first few days we all dressed up. Now we look like college students running on less sleep and more caffeine. I wear jeans/shorts and a t-shirt or polo 95% of the time, and the other 5% of the time we have to dress professionally for clinics or such. There are probably less fraternity/sorority/athletic t-shirts than the average college classroom, but otherwise it's very casual.
 
Yeah, I just got added to it... I think I may just know who you are now since you're the only one on there so far I don't alreday know, haha. Also, your name is just a little similar to your name on here.

The first few days we all dressed up. Now we look like college students running on less sleep and more caffeine. I wear jeans/shorts and a t-shirt or polo 95% of the time, and the other 5% of the time we have to dress professionally for clinics or such. There are probably less fraternity/sorority/athletic t-shirts than the average college classroom, but otherwise it's very casual.

Yeah undoubtedly you know who i am, you know that similarity never crossed my mind until the week after my interview when i posted a question on here and got the answer in an email from the admissions office (purely coincidence im sure but it kind of made me think) answering all my posted questions. Good thing i wasn't being hateful.
good to know about that dress code now maybe all the nervous M1s wont have to call everyone they know to make sure they don't stick out too bad the first day.
 
I stumbled upon that group last week, wasn't sure if it was gonna be the main group since it was so early. I'll request to join as well so we can start putting some names and faces together.
 
Request sent to join group (95% sure I'll matriculate here)!
 
Great post by MJM up above. I disagree a bit about finding housing being difficult, but you do have to look around a bit more than just on Craigslist. Cheap, excellent housing is pretty plentiful. I live in a rather large house with a big, fenced yard and huge kitchen 2 miles from campus for $1200. Other than that very minor issue, I'm totally on board with everything he said. Just to add my 2 cents, people will tell you that the area around UAMS is really dangerous, but it isn't. It's an urban environment, so stuff gets stolen. It happens. Also, I do not at all recommend living in any of the surrounding surburbs. It's not terribly hard to find a place near school for a sweet price.
 
Great post by MJM up above. I disagree a bit about finding housing being difficult, but you do have to look around a bit more than just on Craigslist. Cheap, excellent housing is pretty plentiful. I live in a rather large house with a big, fenced yard and huge kitchen 2 miles from campus for $1200. Other than that very minor issue, I'm totally on board with everything he said. Just to add my 2 cents, people will tell you that the area around UAMS is really dangerous, but it isn't. It's an urban environment, so stuff gets stolen. It happens. Also, I do not at all recommend living in any of the surrounding surburbs. It's not terribly hard to find a place near school for a sweet price.
Sorry, should have been more specific- it can be difficult to find good housing in Little Rock within walking distance to campus. It's there, it just rents fast and isn't advertised well.
I found more than a handful of places within driving distance I would have been perfectly happy with for the price, but the "being able to walk" to class was a pretty strong want on my list. If you're willing to drive, apartments and rental properties are ample, and there are some nice ones out there. Cheap is relative (I miss the ridiculous cheap-ness of Fayetteville), but it's definitely do-able even on the student loan budget.
As far as crime goes- I'm very near UAMS and the only issue we've had is my roommate's bike (which he left sitting in the backyard unlocked) apparently got stolen, but nothing serious. Just be sensible, don't invite a crime of opportunity, and you should be fine.
 
Milkman and MJM , can you guys clue me in on the financial aid situation. Im talking about getting an idea of what kind of budget i will be looking at assuming i will be using loans solely the first year. I know the website says 15000 for living expenses, is that the number i should be using to try and see what sort of monthly rent i should aim for? or is it too variable to even begin to guess at? Thanks in advance
 
I believe the CoL allowance is closer to $20000, but whatever it is, I always have a bunch of cash left over at the end of each semester despite not sparing too many expenses. Even if you end up living in a house by yourself, you should be just fine.

Housing prices run from about $800-$1200/month for 2 and 3 bedroom homes if you're renting. You can buy a nice place for less than $150k. I'd certainly advise having roommates if you can swing it, and the Facebook group will be a great way to find them. Things get cheap in a hurry when you start splitting rent and utilities between 3 people.
 
Milkman and MJM , can you guys clue me in on the financial aid situation. Im talking about getting an idea of what kind of budget i will be looking at assuming i will be using loans solely the first year. I know the website says 15000 for living expenses, is that the number i should be using to try and see what sort of monthly rent i should aim for? or is it too variable to even begin to guess at? Thanks in advance
I'm staving off pre-test desperation right now :scared:, so this seems as productive a distraction as any.

You get $1500 a month for each month you're "in class", so for the first year you'll have the $15,000 total since you're only in 10 months. I'm less thrifty than Milkman apparently, because I have a little difficulty sticking to my budget (a bad habit of having been employed and having an okay salary before med school and impulsive spending habits I suppose) from time to time, but I budgeted myself to make the $15000 last all 12 months if I don't make any money this summer, so that knocks you down to $1200 a month if you do that, which is still very do-able. There are plenty of things you can do the summer of your first year to make a little money and fill in the gap (I plan on doing something to bring in enough to save a little), but if you budget for 12 months, then you can putz around and do absolutely nothing if you like.

Something else to consider is that the $1500 a month doesn't include the money for health insurance coverage or their relatively paltry book allowance built into your loan amount, so you'll have that to add in and give you a little cushion.

Sidenote- I do NOT recommend that you insure yourself through that crappy student health insurance plan. It's ridiculously expensive and provides terrible coverage. I've got a cushy private plan with ultra low deductible for about a third of what that place charges. I suppose if you have a dozen chronic conditions, smoke like a chimney, and enjoy death sports it might be a fair price, but for the average 20something student, it's a ripoff.
 
I do NOT recommend that you insure yourself through that crappy student health insurance plan. It's ridiculously expensive and provides terrible coverage.
I couldn't agree more. For reference, my plan is identical to the school plan and costs $340 every 6 months. That's a little more than 1/6 what the school charges you. Cool, huh? While we're at it, here are some other things you absolutely should not buy that the school tells you you should:

ophthalmoscope (used or otherwise)
a white coat from them (get a Landau one online)
any equipment other than a stethoscope, reflex hammer, and tuning fork, and only the latter two because they're cheap
the cell bio, biochem, and ICM texts
parking passes of any kind unless you're in the dorms (parking on the street is free and closer)
that $80 webmail app they mention in the interview tour (if I led your tour, you already know this one)
anything from the book store that you can get elsewhere
new equipment for anatomy lab

If I think of anything else useless, I'll let you know.
 
a white coat from them (get a Landau one online)

I don't remember any type of fee on the coat order form that they included in our packets. Are they going to ask us to buy that coat or is the ceremony coat just for show? Speaking of coats, how often do we actually have to wear those things anyway (as m1s)?

the cell bio, biochem, and ICM texts

Really? Seems like I remember seeing quite a few first years with those books cracked open. Well maybe not the latter, but definitely the first two. Are the lecture slides usually adequate?
 
Maybe they work the coats differently for you guys, but we had to pay for ours separately. You'll probably need a spare once third year starts, anyway. You'll wear your coat when they have patients come to lecture - maybe 4-5 times during the year - and when you do physical exam stuff in the clinical skill center - once every 3-4 weeks.

The only texts I'd actually recommend for first year are the Haines neuro atlas and the dissector for gross lab. Guyton's phys book isn't terrible, but Costanzo's is far, far better. The phys BRS, also written by Costanzo, is one of the better review sources for any subject. The cell bio and biochem texts are just inexcusably bad. You're wasting your time and cash trying to read them. The rapid review for cell and histo and Lippincott's biochem review are much better and shorter and still have all the info you could ever need. Honestly, I think you'll find that the texts are very often a bad purchase. They're usually just too long to be useful. When you have slides, lectures, and sometimes entire review sources posted online, there just isn't a whole lot of reason to spend your time sifting through pages of information that you won't need and pay through the nose to do so.
 
Thanks, and one more thing...how important is actually going to class? I remember you or someone else mentioning that you enjoyed your 2nd year a lot more because you didn't go to class as much, could this also apply to the 1st year? I'm fairly certain that I'd fair better using the day to study rather than attending lectures, but I'd hate to miss important stuff (like patients coming to class).

Oh yeah, and someone told me that lecture printouts are provided as well, is this true? It's a lot easier for me to stare at lectures on paper for hours on end versus a computer screen.
 
For second year, if all you're concerned with is learning the material, you can just pay tuition and forget UAMS exists except for one day every 2-3 weeks. First year, you have anatomy lab to contend with, and that sucks. Still, skipping class is definitely the way to go for efficient learning. Unfortunately, you'll miss out on meeting your classmates which is a damn shame. There'll be a whole lot of cool people around, and class is the way to meet them. Basically, you have to decide whether you want to be social or not waste your time.
 
I can find f-f-f-f-friends in class? I've been so alone... so alone...😍
 
When is it too late? Interview was in January, 8th.
 
I've been assuming that the letters will be mailed out towards the middle of next week so that everyone has received their letter by February 20 since it's a Sunday.
 
So most likely we will get everything Friday, Saturday, or Monday, if we were all to give it our best guess?
 
Probably. UAMS has a habit of keeping to their deadlines quite well, so I'd expect something to at least be on its way by Saturday. It wouldn't at all surprise me if people started hearing during the week.
 
When did they start sending out acceptances on the 20th? I could've sworn it's always been the 15th.
 
I find the date weird since it's a Sunday...

If my friends don't get an envelope before the 20th, I think they'll all be having heart attacks all weekend.
 
I find the date weird since it's a Sunday...

If my friends don't get an envelope before the 20th, I think they'll all be having heart attacks all weekend.




Just "All weekend"? :laugh::laugh:
 
Ahhh, that constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. We've got Neurobiology at the same time as my friend gets his mail, so he's going to be sprinting from class every day this week.

I had my mail being sent to my parents' house in December, so that week I was anxiously awaiting a phone call from my mom around 2:30. On Monday (2 days before the 15th), I get a call: my heart stops, and my mom goes 'just letting you know it didn't come today'. I think I almost cried. Luckily that Thursday was my favorite day of the year, so my anxiety lasted about 72 hours!
 
I find the date weird since it's a Sunday...

If my friends don't get an envelope before the 20th, I think they'll all be having heart attacks all weekend.

I'd forgotten that Monday is a holiday too. Well, whenever you guys get letters (be that this Friday or next Tuesday), good luck!
 
Looks like early is the name of the game. One of my good friends just got his today!
 
I called and Ms. Dupuy scheduled a time for me to talk with him next month.
 
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IS, 33, 3.9

with volunteer experience, research, study abroad, etc.

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🙁 I'm sorry to hear that. If you don't mind saying, which district are you in? Have you gotten accepted elsewhere? If not, good luck with any remaining applications you have out there, and I hope your conversation with Mr. South will let you know what might need improvement.

To everyone else out there, good luck as some of the letters are apparently out there. Remember (I have told literally hundreds of students this by now)- there's no such thing as a sure thing in medical school admissions. The second you fool yourself into thinking there is, it can come back and get you. I've seen way too many students get too confident about their IS (or what they felt was an easier OOS) option and then be devastated when it comes back the other way- please don't do that to yourselves. Congratulations to new acceptances, and condolences to those that aren't getting good news. I wish you all the best of luck in future applications and as always, I'm sure most of us on here would be happy to help if you have questions.
 
Haven't posted in about a year as I was so demoralized after last year's rejection:

Was surprised to see a nice envelope from UAMS today with a nice acceptance letter. They must have figured out I wasn't going away.

Best of luck to all that got in, and for those who didn't - keep plugging. Taken me many years and 3 applications to get in.
 
Haven't posted in about a year as I was so demoralized after last year's rejection:

Was surprised to see a nice envelope from UAMS today with a nice acceptance letter. They must have figured out I wasn't going away.

Best of luck to all that got in, and for those who didn't - keep plugging. Taken me many years and 3 applications to get in.

👍 Woop woop! We're going to be wishing we were dead for the next 4 years of our life!
 
So to start the list of "Things that really aren't important right now but keep me from the big decisions"

Is anyone using iPads around that place? I've really gotten used to not lugging a laptop around. I would also imagine there would be some usable apps.
 
Haven't posted in about a year as I was so demoralized after last year's rejection:

Was surprised to see a nice envelope from UAMS today with a nice acceptance letter. They must have figured out I wasn't going away.

Best of luck to all that got in, and for those who didn't - keep plugging. Taken me many years and 3 applications to get in.


How was the envelope, was it heavy, what color is?
 
So to start the list of "Things that really aren't important right now but keep me from the big decisions"

Is anyone using iPads around that place? I've really gotten used to not lugging a laptop around. I would also imagine there would be some usable apps.
I haven't seen anyone in our class use an iPad on campus. If you take notes, you need a real keyboard anyway to take notes with the slides, so it means you'd still be hauling stuff around to plug into the iPad. Even if you don't take notes, you need to be able to access all the citrix, etc. that is used on campus, which again, makes an iPad inconvenient (maybe impossible, I don't know if you can use citrix on it). I bought a new laptop a few days before classes started and I have put more hours in on it in the past six months than I have on my old laptop in the past four years. If you're going to buy something new for med school, I'd recommend a nice portable laptop or a netbook with a decent keyboard. It really just needs to be able to run powerpoint and be able to use the citrix stuff.

How was the envelope, was it heavy, what color is?
Last year I heard they'd quit doing the color coded envelope thing, but I don't know if that is true. In the past, acceptances and waitlists have been big envelopes (used to be that accept was white and waitlist was yellow, but last year I believe they were all yellow because my acceptance was a yellow big envelope), and declines were regular sized envelopes. With the packet of stuff they send accepted students, I can't see how a decline letter should be as heavy as an acceptance. They send some additional stuff to waitlist kids too, but not quite as much if I recall correctly.
 
How was the envelope, was it heavy, what color is?

It was whitish, standard lightweight 8x11 envelope. Not as big as I'd imagined, and as a matter of fact, looked less substantial than the wait list packet I got 2 years ago.
 
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