2011-2012 University of Texas - Southwestern Application Thread

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I know the pro-bloggers for UTSW love to spin and dismiss any criticism of UTSW by attacking the messengers of bad news with all kinds of paranoid charges of conspiracies, but the forum is about UTSW as a medical school. Ultimately, the applicants must confront the issues going on at both institutions because it's their lives and careers in the balance. With all this information available, is it worth it to drink UTSW's Kool-Aid?


How is this statement true? How are these problems going to affect future and current applicants/medical school specifically. UTSW is far from losing their accredition.
 
I was thinking about applying to UTSW, but need to know more--a lot more--about what's going on there. the Dallas Morning News site is restricted by a pay wall. Can you tell me more about the news coming out of Dallas?


Again...get a life.
 
It's kind of annoying that a whole page and a half has been dedicated to this guy's ranting about Parkland and UTSW..

We all understand the point that you are trying to make so can you just leave it at that and stop spamming?
 
I was thinking about applying to UTSW, but need to know more--a lot more--about what's going on there. the Dallas Morning News site is restricted by a pay wall. Can you tell me more about the news coming out of Dallas?
It's kinda funny that the guy's status is listed as "Resident", yet he claims he is thinking about applying to UTSW for med school.
 
It's kinda funny that the guy's status is listed as "Resident", yet he claims he is thinking about applying to UTSW for med school.

He could be applying for a fellowship. But it's pretty clear it's the same guy creating multiple accounts, can't fake post history.
 
so... when is it going to be November 15??? I hope I got one of these personalized acceptance videos that people posted about last year 😍
 
ok so you stated your opinion. no need to keep repeating the same stuff over and over again. it's annoying and pretty much spam
 
For anyone curious:

October 17, 2011

To the UT Southwestern Community:

The Dallas Morning News yesterday published a set of stories and graphics that made dramatic assertions about patient safety and the quality of care in Texas hospitals, most notably those in Dallas. We believe that The News knowingly painted an inaccurate and incomplete picture, and I write to address several points in order to put these stories in their proper context.

After eighteen months of Dallas Morning News reporting based on unrepresentative patient care cases from Parkland Memorial Hospital, we were pleased to learn from reporters some weeks ago that they were at last willing to turn from a focus on anecdotes to a consideration of Dallas area hospitals based on publicly available patient safety data. Unfortunately the articles in Sunday's paper indicate that they have neither put aside their anecdotal approach nor have they been willing to use quality data appropriately to present accurate assessments of Parkland or, in our case, of University Hospital-St. Paul.

As an academic medical center, UT Southwestern is committed to rigorous quality measurement, and we welcomed The Dallas Morning News' invitation to review their data and discuss their conclusions in advance of the publication of Sunday's front page story. And, contrary to statements in their published article, we readily provided them with quality data about University Hospital-St. Paul, which is a public hospital but is not supported by state taxpayer funds, as The News also incorrectly stated.

However, as we considered their interpretation of patient safety data, we quickly realized that there were several critical flaws in their analysis which raised serious questions about the validity of their results. We are very disappointed that despite spending many hours with UT Southwestern experts in quality measurement, The Dallas Morning News published this story, rather than taking the time to reconsider their approach or to acknowledge its limitations.

Major concerns that we brought to their attention included:

• The fact that a full picture of quality – and especially any attempt to rank order institutions in regard to quality – must take into account at least four different types of quality measures: clinical effectiveness, patient safety, patient satisfaction, and clinical efficiency. For this article, The Dallas Morning News relied only on patient safety data and furthermore, only a subset of that data which supported their story. Patient safety is obviously an important quality measure, but it is only one of the four quality domains essential to a thoughtful, credible analysis.

• Their work was based on inpatient discharge records from the Texas Department of State Health Services for 2007, 2008, and 2009 that were analyzed using a software program from the Agency for HealthCare Research and Quality (AHRQ). The limitations of using administrative data, especially old billing data, which is the basis of the Texas State Health Services database, are well-known and are mentioned only at the end of the article. What was not mentioned was that their own quoted expert, Dr. Patrick Romano, has discussed these limitations in detail in "Lessons Learned from PSI Validation and Demonstration Projects," (University HealthSystem Consortium Webinar, May 6, 2010) – and that University Hospital-St. Paul now (in 2011) scores above the national average in ten of the fourteen patient safety indicators examined.

• It is an axiom of scientific work that results must be reproducible to be valid, and we have not been able to replicate The Dallas Morning News' findings, using their flawed methodology. Their methodology started with observed administrative data; they then used an adjustment process not designed for that data – and then applied a data "smoothing" process that added incidents which did not actually occur to the totals. As a final step, they aggregated the individual rates into a composite number and used that composite number to rank the hospitals. This compounding of methods not only cannot be duplicated, it has no statistical validity.

• Although The Dallas Morning News utilized a highly regarded software program, they applied it to a data set that lacked a key variable (called "present on admission") that is needed to obtain accurate results from this program. Using data that does not include this variable results in inaccurate calculations, especially for hospitals like University Hospital-St. Paul that are referral centers and typically admit sicker patients, with pre-existing medical conditions. While the article superficially acknowledged that risk adjustment methodology has its limitations when applied to billing data, the reporters completely ignored this fact in drawing their conclusions.

• If The Dallas Morning News had chosen to consider outcomes data, such as mortality rates, they would have been compelled to acknowledge that UT Southwestern looks very different from the picture they painted. Hospital Compare, a publicly available website supported by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, shows that University Hospital-St. Paul, for example, has lower mortality rates for pneumonia and heart failure patients than the national average. Mortality rates for many other conditions at University Hospital-St. Paul rank among the best in the country, another fact ignored by The News.

• This analysis does not encompass the entirety of University Hospitals because it intentionally excludes University Hospital-Zale Lipshy. The aging University Hospital-St. Paul serves a distinct service mix, with an especially high case mix index of severity. As the newspaper is aware, an analysis that includes the full range of those patients cared for in our University Hospitals across both sites would yield substantially better outcomes.

In addition to not giving an accurate picture of the overall quality of University Hospital-St. Paul – or noting its current status in regard to patient safety indicators – The Dallas Morning News uses another anecdotal story of a patient cared for by our physicians at Parkland who had a highly unfortunate outcome to illustrate patient safety issues and to suggest reason for broader concern there. However, it is important to note that:

• Conclusions about overall quality of care cannot be drawn from an isolated, 8-year-old case, with selected excerpts from email and depositions dating from 2003, 2004 and 2006. There is not a hospital in the country that does not have unfortunate case outcomes, and it is wrong to suggest these reflect something unique about the hospital.

• The attending surgeon supervising residents in the case was directly involved in the surgery and records show that he was "hands-on" working with the residents at the time it was alleged that the insertion of a trocar device caused injury to the patient. He remained present and actively involved throughout the surgery.

• UT Southwestern's decision to settle the lawsuit had absolutely nothing to do with The Dallas Morning News' inquiry, despite their effort to claim credit. UT Southwestern began weighing its options – to continue to trial or to pursue settlement – in October 2010 and had been in contact with the plaintiff's attorneys before receiving any inquiries from The News.

• The lengthy discussion of a research project that had been proposed to compare laparoscopic versus open hernia repair outcomes is a pointless and irrelevant diversion in this story, given that the patient was not a participant in any research study. As explained to The News, the research project was terminated in 2006 due to a lack of participants and the inability to do necessary follow-ups with enrolled subjects.

• Absolutely no taxpayer dollars were involved in either the settlement or the legal fees in this case. Physicians are self-insured under the UT System Professional Medical Liability Benefits Plan, which is funded entirely from practice plan dollars. The suggestion that any taxpayer money was involved in this case is another assertion that is simply wrong.

• The implication that UT Southwestern as a public institution is motivated "to prolong litigation until it doesn't make sense for victims' lawyers" is erroneous and offensive. As a state agency, UT Southwestern is obligated to assert all appropriate defenses in relation to lawsuits filed against it.

While we initially supported The Dallas Morning News for taking on the complex and important topic of reporting on the quality of medical care in Dallas area hospitals – and as an institution are willing to acknowledge areas where we need improvement, as we did with the reporters working on this story – we believe that their results, at least for University Hospital-St. Paul, are based on an invalid methodology and therefore do not do justice to our hospital – or to this important topic of medical quality for all members of the greater Dallas community.

Knowing the information about quality measurement and the data about University Hospital-St. Paul that we provided the reporters in advance of this story, we can only conclude that they were determined to justify a predetermined bias and were willing to ignore or discount data that did not fit the story they were intent on writing.

Daniel K. Podolsky, M.D.
President, UT Southwestern Medical Center
 
Around 230. They offer pretty most of their seats through prematch and then wait until after match to utilize the alternate list. I think the total acceptance # is about 390.
 
For anyone curious:

October 17, 2011

To the UT Southwestern Community:

The Dallas Morning News yesterday published a set of stories and graphics that made dramatic assertions about patient safety and the quality of care in Texas hospitals, most notably those in Dallas. We believe that The News knowingly painted an inaccurate and incomplete picture, and I write to address several points in order to put these stories in their proper context.


TheLesPaul, thanks for the article.
 
What is all this stuff about Southwestern and Parkland? Is this just a huge string of troll posts?

I really liked Southwestern and I consider it one of my top schools, and this guy is scaring me a bit 🙁
 
That sounds so canned. You must be working for UTSW administration as a spin doctor.

The DMN editorial at http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/e...re-details-on-patient-safety-at-hospitals.ece and their article at http://www.dallasnews.com/investiga...r-patient-safety-for-years-analysis-shows.ece shows that the Texas Dept. of State Health Services data ranks UTSW #3 and Parkland #4 for the state's worst hospitals in the entire state. The recent stories followed by the DMN is listed at http://www.dallasnews.com/investigations/patient-safety/. 😱

But your response discussing the same things that have been brought up almost everyday for a couple weeks now by brand new members with links to the DMN is not canned at all and is totally innocent and legitimate...right?
 
:laugh:

This DMN troll has some intense grudge against UTSW. Most likely a janitor that was fired from the school and met the qualifications for a job at this "unbiased" news outlet.
 
:laugh:

This DMN troll has some intense grudge against UTSW. Most likely a janitor that was fired from the school and met the qualifications for a job at this "unbiased" news outlet.

especially when he keeps putting resident, attending, or fellow. dude needs to get a job
 
:laugh:

This DMN troll has some intense grudge against UTSW. Most likely a janitor that was fired from the school and met the qualifications for a job at this "unbiased" news outlet.

:idea: Nah, he/she seems like an applicant that's not competivie for Utsw but wants to go there by all means and is trying to discourage other people from applying in order of to increase his/her chances of acceptance.
 
if we all ignore him, he'll go away and troll another forum.
 
:idea: Nah, he/she seems like an applicant that's not competivie for Utsw but wants to go there by all means and is trying to discourage other people from applying in order of to increase his/her chances of acceptance.

Everyone should chill with the insults. The poster isn't stabbing your leg or something. Its the internet for goodness sake.
 
Everyone should chill with the insults. The poster isn't stabbing your leg or something. Its the internet for goodness sake.

I wasn't insulting him/her in anyway or if i was, it was not intended. But, that was the only logical conclusion for his/her actions in this thread. If this person is really pissed at Utsw and the parkland health system, SDN is not the place to show your frustrations on pre meds. You can go to their you tube channel and write all types of **** about them. I still believe this character is some premed applying to Utsw to reduce competition.
 
Everyone should chill with the insults. The poster isn't stabbing your leg or something. Its the internet for goodness sake.

True... but all of his posts are repetitive, lengthy, and often combative in nature. Although potentially negative information about a school/program is an appropriate topic for these forums, this thread is by no means a place to launch a crusade against UTSW. This poster is obviously misrepresenting their identity by creating multiple accounts as well. I believe I speak for the majority of applicants reading these threads (these threads are listed under pre-med application forums) when I say that this poster is not helpful and is simply trolling.

Also, you might not realize that many of the ridiculous posts this person has made have been deleted by admins so you might not be getting a complete picture of the situation.
 
You made your point. Now go away!!!

That's all I ment too.... It's been said, anyone remotely interested has googled it etc but I'm done hearing about it and want to move on. 😎
 
I still believe this character is some premed applying to Utsw to reduce competition.

And just to assure you'll, I've heard from multiple docs from UTSW that all is well.

You should also be a little more civil and polite in your posts. Everyone still deserves to be treated with some courtesy even if you don't agree with their point of view. That's how doctors are suppose to interact with people.

Okey dokey Mr. Arti-chokey! We'll totally roll out the red carpet for the trolls next time! What a great idea!
 
Random question for any UTSW students: how much do you use your SimCenter?

I am perhaps irrationally excited about the prospect of being able to try virtual procedures--endoscopies, etc-- as a student, possibly because I enjoy video games too much. UTSW's looked pretty awesome. However, I'm curious whether fancy simulation centers are actually a useful part of training or more of a gimmick.
 
Random question for any UTSW students: how much do you use your SimCenter?

I am perhaps irrationally excited about the prospect of being able to try virtual procedures--endoscopies, etc-- as a student, possibly because I enjoy video games too much. UTSW's looked pretty awesome. However, I'm curious whether fancy simulation centers are actually a useful part of training or more of a gimmick.
From my perspective, a sim center is only necessary if one doesn't have the patient population necessary to support the true learning that happens when interacting with real patients. We do have a sim center (that we used once to practice ACLS/codes), and there is a laparoscopic training area for the residents to practice their scopes, dexterity, etc, but as a medical student this experience is limited to 1-2x during your rotations.

With that said, on my first day of third year, I was handling a laparoscopic camera during an actual surgery, so...dunno why I would want to bother with a simulator.
 
I agree. The sim center is cool, but nothing beats real patients.

I'm an MSII. We have used the sim center once and it was a lot of fun. We use standardized patients quite a bit more, but mostly for things besides actual "medical" stuff--dealing with an angry patient or giving a patient bad news for example. First year we got standardized patients to learn each aspect of the exam on. For example, one college group of 6 would get a standardized patient and we could practice the abdominal exam, the next week the respiratory exam, etc. This year, we are in the hospital almost every week doing the history and physical on real patients or in a special clinic learning a special exam. For example, two weeks ago we went to the nursery and learned a newborn exam. Last week we learned the pelvic exam on a mannequin then practiced on a standardized patient. For phlebotomy, we did one stick on each other and then it was all patients after that--no fake arms to stick.

I think the sim stuff is fun and I hope we get to use it more, but at least the first two years most of the skills are taught on real or standardized patients, which I think is more practical.
 
Mr. Arti-chokey? What are you like 10 years old?
 
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Hi, I checked mygateway yesterday, and it seems like I got an interview invite. I confirmed the date for November 19th under myinterview. However, I did not get any email about my interview invitation. Is this normal? I did get a confirmation email from the admissions office that I am confirmed for Saturday, Novemer 19th. I am originally from Dallas, so I am very excited.

Good luck to everyone! I am looking forward to visiting home in few weeks!
 
Hi, I checked mygateway yesterday, and it seems like I got an interview invite. I confirmed the date for November 19th under myinterview. However, I did not get any email about my interview invitation. Is this normal? I did get a confirmation email from the admissions office that I am confirmed for Saturday, Novemer 19th. I am originally from Dallas, so I am very excited.

Good luck to everyone! I am looking forward to visiting home in few weeks!
I am also waiting to hear from them, where on Gateway does it say about interview. The only thing I see that Completed under status. Your response will be highly appreciated. Thanks
 
I used to not have "MyInterview" tab, but now I have it. However, I did not receive an official email invite yet, but I guess that is normal even if I don't get an email. The UT Southwestern is my number one choice, so I hope everything goes well!
 
anyone else interviewing at utsw this weekend?
 
Interview on Dec. 3rd! Shocked, didn't expect to hear from UTSW at all. Didn't get the email either, but logged in randomly and had an interview RSVP waiting.
 
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Interview on Dec. 3rd!! Shocked, didn't expect to hear from UTSW at all. Didn't get the email either, but logged in randomly and had an interview RSVP waiting.

You the man DoItToIt! Racking up those interviews this season!
 
Interview on Dec. 3rd! Shocked, didn't expect to hear from UTSW at all. Didn't get the email either, but logged in randomly and had an interview RSVP waiting.

What was the link to that again? I used to have it.
 
Interview on Dec. 3rd! Shocked, didn't expect to hear from UTSW at all. Didn't get the email either, but logged in randomly and had an interview RSVP waiting.

WOW congrats!!!! I have been waiting for this one and still nothing :scared:. Did you log in the secondary website?

Do you mind sharing your stats?
 
WOW congrats!!!! I have been waiting for this one and still nothing :scared:. Did you log in the secondary website?

Do you mind sharing your stats?

Thanks! I'll PM you.

And Sooner- I just googled "UTSW mygateway" and it's the second link that says "Apply". Hope that helps
 
Thanks! I'll PM you.

And Sooner- I just googled "UTSW mygateway" and it's the second link that says "Apply". Hope that helps

Thanks. Unfortunately my result was not the same as yours haha. good luck at your interview 👍
 
I just got an invite for Dec. Am I interviewing for the waitlist at this point?
 
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