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Hi! Does anyone know the dress code for MS0 weekend?
comfy and casual! We are very excited to meet many of you this upcoming weekend! Get to campus early, traffic can be very unpredictable. Come with lots of questions and energy and we hope you enjoy what we have in store for y'all🙂

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comfy and casual! We are very excited to meet many of you this upcoming weekend! Get to campus early, traffic can be very unpredictable. Come with lots of questions and energy and we hope you enjoy what we have in store for y'all🙂
does comfy and casual mean jeans or?? hoping so haha
 
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Does anyone know the timeline on when Medpark will let you know if you got an apartment?
 
For those on the waitlist, has it appeared for you on the choose your medical school tool?
 
waitlists shouldn't show.
Texas WLs will show if a person also has an AMCAS acceptance.
Without at least 1 AMCAS acceptance, a Texan has no reason to use the CYMS tool and can do all their communication directly with the TMDSAS schools.

If a TMDSAS school asked you to use CYMS tool to prove you had committed to them, I suppose you would need to.
Has anyone had this requested of them?
 
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Does anyone know what the WL deliberation process/timeline is for MSTP? I desperately want to get off their WL by end of April...
 
Any current UTSW students can share their experience and environment at UTSW? What do you think of the program overall and would you personally recommend this program to your friends?
 
Does anyone know what the WL deliberation process/timeline is for MSTP? I desperately want to get off their WL by end of April...
I would think MOST, if not all, of their waitlist movement happens after the 1-school deadline i.e. April 30.
 
Does anyone have insight into acceptance rates for the MD/MPH track for accepted MD students?
 
Does anyone have insight into acceptance rates for the MD/MPH track for accepted MD students?
should be automatic. there is no reason for them to reject someone from mph when they have been accepted to MD. On a side note, MPH is a cash cow at most schools.
 
Why is it a cash cow?
The MD/MPH is not but MPH by itself is a cash cow. They force you to do about 50+hours taking 2 years during which you are paying tuition for at least 4 semesters. they do want lot of people joining this to make extra money for the school. The private schools especially come out of this with a lot of additional tuition money.

Anyone who is in the process of applying to medical school (just taken MCAT) usually receives a ton of unsolicited email from a whole bunch of schools asking them to apply to their MPH program. which other programs market themselves?

UTSW gives MD students some discount. When they had to go through UT Health Houston, they needed to spend more if I am not mistaken.
 
Any current UTSW students can share their experience and environment at UTSW? What do you think of the program overall and would you personally recommend this program to your friends?
It would be better to hear from an MS4 who just went through the Match to answer, Was it all worth it? But as an MS1, my experience has been a mixed bag so far.

We've completed our first semester, which covered the basic sciences, and we're currently 3 blocks into our 10 Integrated Medicine blocks (which start second semester and continue until our "dedicated" Step 1 prep). The journey has definitely had lots of ups and downs already.

Would I recommend UTSW to a friend? Honestly, it depends on a few factors:
  1. Other acceptances (UTSW is obviously better than not going to med school at all).
  2. Pass/Fail grading and the format of exams (NBME vs. in-house exams).
  3. School reputation and ranking.
One of the biggest issues for a lot of us here is that we don’t have NBME exams. I’d say that’s one of our biggest sources of stress — it’s hard to describe, but countless days of trying to figure out what to study, wears on you. Especially in the second semester, a lot of the material feels random and low-yield, which can be frustrating, and it's also difficult to find other/better resources to learn/memorize the content when it's nowhere to be found in first aid, pathoma, etc. We're definitely at a huge disadvantage when it comes to step 1 prep.

I definitely couldn't imagine going to a graded school (we're P/F all pre-clinical, although we are getting 'points' for AOA now) that would really be hell. In general, there's also just so many distractions from studying that are part of the curriculum (all of the strive and colleges stuff, etc.) that it really feels like you are fighting with the school just to be able to study. These are especially annoying when about half the sessions are true wastes of time and the other half are only useful if you have time to prepare for them (you won't). So things get pretty stressful when you can't study efficiently because everything is in-house, and you don't have as much time as you need to study because of all the extra activities.
 
It would be better to hear from an MS4 who just went through the Match to answer, Was it all worth it? But as an MS1, my experience has been a mixed bag so far.

We've completed our first semester, which covered the basic sciences, and we're currently 3 blocks into our 10 Integrated Medicine blocks (which start second semester and continue until our "dedicated" Step 1 prep). The journey has definitely had lots of ups and downs already.

Would I recommend UTSW to a friend? Honestly, it depends on a few factors:
  1. Other acceptances (UTSW is obviously better than not going to med school at all).
  2. Pass/Fail grading and the format of exams (NBME vs. in-house exams).
  3. School reputation and ranking.
One of the biggest issues for a lot of us here is that we don’t have NBME exams. I’d say that’s one of our biggest sources of stress — it’s hard to describe, but countless days of trying to figure out what to study, wears on you. Especially in the second semester, a lot of the material feels random and low-yield, which can be frustrating, and it's also difficult to find other/better resources to learn/memorize the content when it's nowhere to be found in first aid, pathoma, etc. We're definitely at a huge disadvantage when it comes to step 1 prep.

I definitely couldn't imagine going to a graded school (we're P/F all pre-clinical, although we are getting 'points' for AOA now) that would really be hell. In general, there's also just so many distractions from studying that are part of the curriculum (all of the strive and colleges stuff, etc.) that it really feels like you are fighting with the school just to be able to study. These are especially annoying when about half the sessions are true wastes of time and the other half are only useful if you have time to prepare for them (you won't). So things get pretty stressful when you can't study efficiently because everything is in-house, and you don't have as much time as you need to study because of all the extra activities.
What do current students think of internal rankings during preclinical? Does it affect you or do most people not pay attention to it?
 
It would be better to hear from an MS4 who just went through the Match to answer, Was it all worth it? But as an MS1, my experience has been a mixed bag so far.

We've completed our first semester, which covered the basic sciences, and we're currently 3 blocks into our 10 Integrated Medicine blocks (which start second semester and continue until our "dedicated" Step 1 prep). The journey has definitely had lots of ups and downs already.

Would I recommend UTSW to a friend? Honestly, it depends on a few factors:
  1. Other acceptances (UTSW is obviously better than not going to med school at all).
  2. Pass/Fail grading and the format of exams (NBME vs. in-house exams).
  3. School reputation and ranking.
One of the biggest issues for a lot of us here is that we don’t have NBME exams. I’d say that’s one of our biggest sources of stress — it’s hard to describe, but countless days of trying to figure out what to study, wears on you. Especially in the second semester, a lot of the material feels random and low-yield, which can be frustrating, and it's also difficult to find other/better resources to learn/memorize the content when it's nowhere to be found in first aid, pathoma, etc. We're definitely at a huge disadvantage when it comes to step 1 prep.

I definitely couldn't imagine going to a graded school (we're P/F all pre-clinical, although we are getting 'points' for AOA now) that would really be hell. In general, there's also just so many distractions from studying that are part of the curriculum (all of the strive and colleges stuff, etc.) that it really feels like you are fighting with the school just to be able to study. These are especially annoying when about half the sessions are true wastes of time and the other half are only useful if you have time to prepare for them (you won't). So things get pretty stressful when you can't study efficiently because everything is in-house, and you don't have as much time as you need to study because of all the extra activities.
Dang the lack of a strong step 1 curriculum is alarming. What other activities/distractions are you referring to that prevents efficient studying?
Would you say the clinical/residency/fellowship training is strong?
Also would you be willing to share your stats (undergrad gpa, mcat score, clinical experience, research, volunteer, etc)? I would love to see what stats gets you an A into the school, specifically want to see if people with lower GPA (3.5-3.8) were able to get an acceptance!
 
Dang the lack of a strong step 1 curriculum is alarming. What other activities/distractions are you referring to that prevents efficient studying?
Would you say the clinical/residency/fellowship training is strong?
Also would you be willing to share your stats (undergrad gpa, mcat score, clinical experience, research, volunteer, etc)? I would love to see what stats gets you an A into the school, specifically want to see if people with lower GPA (3.5-3.8) were able to get an acceptance!
Happy to share my specific stats (DM'ed you - anyone else free to reach out via DMs as well), generally though they were pretty high GPA/MCAT (imo low hours for everything extracurricular though), LM in my signature is a rough estimate - if the calculator hasn't been updated.

Not to discourage anyone, since I have several classmates with lower stats (GPA and/or MCAT) and they made up for it with having interesting backgrounds, interesting experiences or skills, writing well, ties to the area, that sort of thing. And we don't really talk ab these things so there's probably more people in that category that idek ab. Lots of nontrads too, etc. Very diverse and fun crowd.

Tl;dr at the bottom. Apologies for the wall of text, we've got one more day of Spring break so I have the time (and clearly some thoughts lol), scutpuppy is tired boss and he's not even born yet

I think it's just a symptom of medicine/culture as a whole. No one in admin is showing up every day to make our days worse, and most, if not all, of our deans have been extremely pleasant in person, but someone, somewhere is holding up progress.

The only thing I can think is that UTSW is just trying to save money (afaik it costs like $50/student/exam for the pre-clinical subject exams) in order to spend that money on... research/headhunting? It's no joke to say UTSW loves, at the very least talking about, their nobel laureates and NAS members - which, fair enough, since science has so few chances for recognition (if it's actually science we're appreciating and not just accolades for the sake of accolades/prestige/awards) and funding those labs/students/research isn't free (big emoji eyes at the current state of the US).

I'm sure there are more arguments against NBME exams I haven't heard, but of those I've seen, none have been particularly convincing to me. I don't want to learn for a board exam, I want to learn real medicine. However, unfortunately, 1. we don't ever get to practice medicine if we don't pass these boards 2. all of the medicine on these step exams (while maybe somewhat outdated) is very much clinically relevant - at least, as much as a lot of our in-house material is. Would I rather learn about a true genetic zebra from BnB video or a clinician I can talk 1on1 with? Well ofc the small group socratic method, but since we have about 6 months of content to get through our ears every week, it would probably be nice if the zebras were 1. higher yield for board exams 2. taught in a higher yield manner.

I stg we have entire lectures not covered at all in First Aid or Pathoma, and then the next lecture will be a 50 min talk about a super foundational concept that could be taught much more effectively and efficiently in a 10 min video (or lecture/activity) with better audio, better video, and all the while being more concise and sticking better.

The most valuable resource we have as students is time. If we had some of that time back, and not even all of it, just some of it, we would put it to use studying, doing research and extracurriculars, and maybe even taking a little time to be a normal human on this earth (since most of us try to do that extracurricular stuff on top of keeping up with studying and everything else). I would say most of the class shares at least some of these ideas. I've definitely seen it manifest in other ways even if they aren't as cognizant - although, without a doubt, many students in our class would disagree with me. The "work hard, play hard" culture is very much present here. Yes, it basically means what you think it means.

We've genuinely had lecturers that are fantastic (like 10/10, even covering low yield topics), but the average quality of lectures is probably a 5/10 or 6/10 at best (between the AV/tech stuff and presentations themselves) -- but tbf I have watched the majority of IM lectures from home. Most people probably never watched the majority of lectures anyway -- we usually just watch tutoring videos = peer tutoring/reviews, idk if y'all had something similar in undergrad, but this is literally MS2s/3s/4s teaching us the content. Just in a more digestible way. Not 100% foolproof, but better than the lecture 50% of the time (I'm a bit of low yield nerd), and more efficient 95% of the time.

Tl;dr
Dang the lack of a strong step 1 curriculum is alarming. What other activities/distractions are you referring to that prevents efficient studying?
1. Colleges weekly 1.5 hrs, not including getting to the meeting - usually at a site of at the discretion of your mentor, which for most groups, most of the regular meeting weeks, is in the colleges building, but is often at one of the nearby, or less nearby, hospitals).
2. Strive sessions (monthly? bi-weekly? idk they always show up at the worst time to tell you "stop stressing <3" and "I know you'd probably rather have this wellness time back for yourselves, but we like to mandate it for wellness").
3. I am not joking at all, some days/weeks we have 3-5 1. CBCLs. 2. CBLs 3. TBLs 4. PBLs 5. Small group sessions/extra colleges stuff 6. dissection and bone reviews first semester. All mandatory or mandatory for points (70% needed to pass amongst all the random homework assignments/quizzes).
4. Ex: for our IM blocks, we're like, half writing notes and having "relevant" (interesting but...) case reviews with colleges attendings who are generally great and have great clinical expertise but don't know what we'll be tested on, on the day or two before the final for that block. Like if a review was so important it couldn't be coordinated with the course director for it to be relevant to what we spent the block learning/studying..? Isn't that the point of applying the knowledge? Shouldn't it reinforce concepts we've learned or build on them, not present new, niche info? Idk, this last one was better than our first 2 in my opinion, so maybe things are looking up there.
5. Idek what first semester was like, I blocked that part of my life out (jk... sort of, if you have specific questions I can try to answer them) but we had so many things to go to. There's so many attendance quizzes and they never stop, idk if i'm forgetting something else bc i stg it feels like more.

I will say that this semester the sim center stuff has actually been fun and useful, so that's one less thing that feels like a waste of time. Big ups to them for that

Would you say the clinical/residency/fellowship training is strong?
That is what I've heard online and in person. One faculty member said you come to UTSW for the clinical training, not the pre-clinical. The pre-clinical is rough (especially first semester), and not very well organized according to them, but our grads can function as interns for the most part, and we have some truly craic students -- we match the best residencies all the time, look at this last year's. Iykyk. But I cannot speak to that personally.


In general:
I have heard good things about new deans taking the school in a positive direction, and so far this seems to be true from what I've seen personally and heard from others working with them. They seem very receptive to feedback so far.

Take all of this with a grain of salt. n=1, you might have a completely different experience here.

Also, I am being 100% honest here, not sugar-coating anything. And not detailing any of the positives, of which there are many.

Edit: We literally just heard from our deans about implementing a new way to monitor any confusions/discrepancies/issues we find with the content of the courses going forward, starting tomorrow with our new pulm course. This is fantastic, as this has been one of our big complaints (that resources like UWFAPS cover different material entirely, teach it a different way, stress different things, have better graphics/charts, etc.). Gotta applaud the student leadership and deans, faculty, and staff for working to keep improving med ed here at UTSW. There are definitely passionate people in the OME and GME who care about making UTSW truly exceptional. Hopefully this and future policies work toward that!
 
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The MD/MPH is not but MPH by itself is a cash cow. They force you to do about 50+hours taking 2 years during which you are paying tuition for at least 4 semesters. they do want lot of people joining this to make extra money for the school. The private schools especially come out of this with a lot of additional tuition money.

Anyone who is in the process of applying to medical school (just taken MCAT) usually receives a ton of unsolicited email from a whole bunch of schools asking them to apply to their MPH program. which other programs market themselves?

UTSW gives MD students some discount. When they had to go through UT Health Houston, they needed to spend more if I am not mistaken.
Hey yall, I'm a current MD/MPH student at UTSW and would be happy to talk with anyone about the program. I'm not sure I agree with the cash cow comment (perhaps in some circumstances?) but for myself and most classmates, it has been a rewarding and incredible experience thus far and I'm glad I did it. I was able to get my MPH mostly funded by the school, also happy to talk about that.
 
Hey yall, I'm a current MD/MPH student at UTSW and would be happy to talk with anyone about the program. I'm not sure I agree with the cash cow comment (perhaps in some circumstances?) but for myself and most classmates, it has been a rewarding and incredible experience thus far and I'm glad I did it. I was able to get my MPH mostly funded by the school, also happy to talk about that.
This has caused consternation before. As claimed publically, "texasvandy" is not an admissions comittee member, not a premed student or applicant, not a current or former medical student, and not faculty, staff, or administration, in any capacity, at any medical school, past or present.

So when @buttexthatvanderbilt says things like the above, they are speaking from their own internet browsing and understanding, not from anything that isn't already publically available on google.

Last time I let people know that, I got reported by someone for "doxxing." I do so again because 1. That's not doxxing, and 2. Boldly stating uninformed opinions as fact leads to misinformation and angst for my colleagues (I'm an MS1 at UTSW, but I'll never forget what it was like to be a hopeful applicant. Forget anyone who makes this process worse for y'all)

Not saying they are wrong here (no clue personally), but they have been before. So I'd double check anything they say against sources that, at the very least claim to have first hand knowledge. E.g., @kaitruns is probably a much more useful resource for accurate information for y'all. If they disagree, it probably means @buttexthatvanderbilt is making stuff up again.
 
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Hey yall, I'm a current MD/MPH student at UTSW and would be happy to talk with anyone about the program. I'm not sure I agree with the cash cow comment (perhaps in some circumstances?) but for myself and most classmates, it has been a rewarding and incredible experience thus far and I'm glad I did it. I was able to get my MPH mostly funded by the school, also happy to talk about that.
what does it cost without funding from the school?
 
What do current students think of internal rankings during preclinical? Does it affect you or do most people not pay attention to it?
Also an MS1 here and thought I’d add that internal rankings start during clinicals. The only pre clinical weight they give is points towards AOA starting from the second semester, otherwise preclinicals are full P/F. (If this is incorrect, please correct me but I’m 95% sure this is the case)
 
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Also an MS1 here and thought I’d add that internal rankings start during clinicals. The only pre clinical weight they give is points towards AOA starting from the second semester, otherwise preclinicals are full P/F. (If this is incorrect, please correct me but I’m 95% sure this is the case)

I believe this is correct. And if anyone is confused why we don't know for sure it's because we're just trying to survive and try our best lol. Knowing my classmates, competition for AOA and scores for pre-clerkships and clerkships are going to be insane so I'm just tapping out now and not worrying. C's get MD's 😎

But yeah, we definitely have no internal ranking first semester. Second semester we start accumulating points (more for an A vs. B vs. C) but everything is still reported as P/F on our transcripts until clerkships. Specific class ranking for clerkships are not given in the MSPE, but quartiles for each rotation are given (so if the PD cares, they can figure out your quartile class rank for clerkships, but not for pre-clerkship).

Personally, grading at UTSW is not really a pain point at all. If you do all of the completion/mandatory stuff you'll get an A in the class if you have a good grasp on the content (which is the actual difficult bit), class average is probably ~84 or something for most of our final exams and final grade distributions for each class. There's sometimes too many assignments that just feel like busy-work, but in general I don't think most people in our class have too many complaints about the assignments, grading, exams, remediation policies, things like that.

And according to the most recent Program Director Survey (2024) that NRMP puts out, grades (especially pre-clerkship) are not super important. Imo this will probably continue to fall further down the list as more schools go P/F and change grading policies/curriculums. More focus will be probably put on extracurriculars and step 2. Which UTSW will help you excel at (our Step 1 pass rate is slightly above the national average I think, and our Step 2 average is like a 255 which is a good score, and ofc ~50% of people scored higher). 1st graph is for residency interview invites, it's even less important for PDs when making their rank lists (2nd).

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Happy to share my specific stats (DM'ed you - anyone else free to reach out via DMs as well), generally though they were pretty high GPA/MCAT (imo low hours for everything extracurricular though), LM in my signature is a rough estimate - if the calculator hasn't been updated.

Not to discourage anyone, since I have several classmates with lower stats (GPA and/or MCAT) and they made up for it with having interesting backgrounds, interesting experiences or skills, writing well, ties to the area, that sort of thing. And we don't really talk ab these things so there's probably more people in that category that idek ab. Lots of nontrads too, etc. Very diverse and fun crowd.

Tl;dr at the bottom. Apologies for the wall of text, we've got one more day of Spring break so I have the time (and clearly some thoughts lol), scutpuppy is tired boss and he's not even born yet

I think it's just a symptom of medicine/culture as a whole. No one in admin is showing up every day to make our days worse, and most, if not all, of our deans have been extremely pleasant in person, but someone, somewhere is holding up progress.

The only thing I can think is that UTSW is just trying to save money (afaik it costs like $50/student/exam for the pre-clinical subject exams) in order to spend that money on... research/headhunting? It's no joke to say UTSW loves, at the very least talking about, their nobel laureates and NAS members - which, fair enough, since science has so few chances for recognition (if it's actually science we're appreciating and not just accolades for the sake of accolades/prestige/awards) and funding those labs/students/research isn't free (big emoji eyes at the current state of the US).

I'm sure there are more arguments against NBME exams I haven't heard, but of those I've seen, none have been particularly convincing to me. I don't want to learn for a board exam, I want to learn real medicine. However, unfortunately, 1. we don't ever get to practice medicine if we don't pass these boards 2. all of the medicine on these step exams (while maybe somewhat outdated) is very much clinically relevant - at least, as much as a lot of our in-house material is. Would I rather learn about a true genetic zebra from BnB video or a clinician I can talk 1on1 with? Well ofc the small group socratic method, but since we have about 6 months of content to get through our ears every week, it would probably be nice if the zebras were 1. higher yield for board exams 2. taught in a higher yield manner.

I stg we have entire lectures not covered at all in First Aid or Pathoma, and then the next lecture will be a 50 min talk about a super foundational concept that could be taught much more effectively and efficiently in a 10 min video (or lecture/activity) with better audio, better video, and all the while being more concise and sticking better.

The most valuable resource we have as students is time. If we had some of that time back, and not even all of it, just some of it, we would put it to use studying, doing research and extracurriculars, and maybe even taking a little time to be a normal human on this earth (since most of us try to do that extracurricular stuff on top of keeping up with studying and everything else). I would say most of the class shares at least some of these ideas. I've definitely seen it manifest in other ways even if they aren't as cognizant - although, without a doubt, many students in our class would disagree with me. The "work hard, play hard" culture is very much present here. Yes, it basically means what you think it means.

We've genuinely had lecturers that are fantastic (like 10/10, even covering low yield topics), but the average quality of lectures is probably a 5/10 or 6/10 at best (between the AV/tech stuff and presentations themselves) -- but tbf I have watched the majority of IM lectures from home. Most people probably never watched the majority of lectures anyway -- we usually just watch tutoring videos = peer tutoring/reviews, idk if y'all had something similar in undergrad, but this is literally MS2s/3s/4s teaching us the content. Just in a more digestible way. Not 100% foolproof, but better than the lecture 50% of the time (I'm a bit of low yield nerd), and more efficient 95% of the time.

Tl;dr

1. Colleges weekly 1.5 hrs, not including getting to the meeting - usually at a site of at the discretion of your mentor, which for most groups, most of the regular meeting weeks, is in the colleges building, but is often at one of the nearby, or less nearby, hospitals).
2. Strive sessions (monthly? bi-weekly? idk they always show up at the worst time to tell you "stop stressing <3" and "I know you'd probably rather have this wellness time back for yourselves, but we like to mandate it for wellness").
3. I am not joking at all, some days/weeks we have 3-5 1. CBCLs. 2. CBLs 3. TBLs 4. PBLs 5. Small group sessions/extra colleges stuff 6. dissection and bone reviews first semester. All mandatory or mandatory for points (70% needed to pass amongst all the random homework assignments/quizzes).
4. Ex: for our IM blocks, we're like, half writing notes and having "relevant" (interesting but...) case reviews with colleges attendings who are generally great and have great clinical expertise but don't know what we'll be tested on, on the day or two before the final for that block. Like if a review was so important it couldn't be coordinated with the course director for it to be relevant to what we spent the block learning/studying..? Isn't that the point of applying the knowledge? Shouldn't it reinforce concepts we've learned or build on them, not present new, niche info? Idk, this last one was better than our first 2 in my opinion, so maybe things are looking up there.
5. Idek what first semester was like, I blocked that part of my life out (jk... sort of, if you have specific questions I can try to answer them) but we had so many things to go to. There's so many attendance quizzes and they never stop, idk if i'm forgetting something else bc i stg it feels like more.

I will say that this semester the sim center stuff has actually been fun and useful, so that's one less thing that feels like a waste of time. Big ups to them for that


That is what I've heard online and in person. One faculty member said you come to UTSW for the clinical training, not the pre-clinical. The pre-clinical is rough (especially first semester), and not very well organized according to them, but our grads can function as interns for the most part, and we have some truly craic students -- we match the best residencies all the time, look at this last year's. Iykyk. But I cannot speak to that personally.


In general:
I have heard good things about new deans taking the school in a positive direction, and so far this seems to be true from what I've seen personally and heard from others working with them. They seem very receptive to feedback so far.

Take all of this with a grain of salt. n=1, you might have a completely different experience here.

Also, I am being 100% honest here, not sugar-coating anything. And not detailing any of the positives, of which there are many.

Edit: We literally just heard from our deans about implementing a new way to monitor any confusions/discrepancies/issues we find with the content of the courses going forward, starting tomorrow with our new pulm course. This is fantastic, as this has been one of our big complaints (that resources like UWFAPS cover different material entirely, teach it a different way, stress different things, have better graphics/charts, etc.). Gotta applaud the student leadership and deans, faculty, and staff for working to keep improving med ed here at UTSW. There are definitely passionate people in the OME and GME who care about making UTSW truly exceptional. Hopefully this and future policies work toward that!

Hey yall, I'm a current MD/MPH student at UTSW and would be happy to talk with anyone about the program. I'm not sure I agree with the cash cow comment (perhaps in some circumstances?) but for myself and most classmates, it has been a rewarding and incredible experience thus far and I'm glad I did it. I was able to get my MPH mostly funded by the school, also happy to talk about that.

Also an MS1 here and thought I’d add that internal rankings start during clinicals. The only pre clinical weight they give is points towards AOA starting from the second semester, otherwise preclinicals are full P/F. (If this is incorrect, please correct me but I’m 95% sure this is the case)

Hello current UTSW medical students! This is all really good insight for us hopeful applicants, thank you!! 😍

Some more questions regarding UTSW's program:
  1. Do you know of any active changes they are trying to implement in the pre-clinical years to have a stronger Step 1 prep? Will they transition to NBME exams? Will their exams/learning objectives be more relevant to Step 1 vs testing on "low yield fluff"? Will they allow more efficient studying time and remove unnecessary mandatory sessions?
  2. Is the pre-clinical curriculum integrated, systems-based, case-based, or lecture-heavy?
  3. How many hours do you guys study per day on average? Do you ever have relaxing weekends?
  4. Are you required to be on campus every single day? I heard classes are online, but there are a lot of other mandatory meetings/strive sessions/labs/quizzes, etc? Not saying, I wouldn't be interested in attending in person. I live in DFW area, about 35 mins without traffic from UTSW, but could be 50-75 minutes easily with the rush hour/downtown traffic. So was wondering if I can stay home to study some days instead. (NOT a big deal tho! I can drive easily everyday)
  5. Do we get hands on clinical experience early?
  6. Are there mentorship programs/personalized advising? Like are you able to get in touch with any of the UTSW's residency faculty - to build connection, make a good first impression, get letter of recommendation, and have a strong chance in landing a residency spot in UTSW?
  7. Do we have high quality simulation labs, standardized patients, cadaver labs, clinical sims labs, and other resources?
  8. Are we taught ultrasound techniques and interpreting different imaging studies at a competent level?
  9. What else can you do on UTSW's campus? What other amenities or activities are there?
  10. Where do people study? Are there private quiet rooms with big white boards?
  11. What's the student classroom vibe like - collaborative or cutthroat?
  12. How are the professors at teaching concepts? I read it's an average 5-6/10 from above, is this accurate?
  13. Does UTSW give out merit based scholarships/full ride to some accepted students? If so, how many do they give out?
  14. What other critiques do you guys have of UTSW?
  15. What are all the things you like about UTSW?
  16. Could you guys share some accepted stats of non-traditional applicants with unique backgrounds (their journey, clinical experience, gpa, mcat, 30+ year olds, etc)? I am a hopeful non-trad that lives in DFW haha. If I get into UTSW, I will cry!!
Please feel free to share anything else I did not mention! I will be reading all replies from current UTSW students 🙂 Feel free to DM me if it's private.
 
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Hello current UTSW medical students! This is all really good insight for us hopeful applicants, thank you!! 😍

Some more questions regarding UTSW's program:
  1. Do you know of any active changes they are trying to implement in the pre-clinical years to have a stronger Step 1 prep? Will they transition to NBME exams? Will their exams/learning objectives be more relevant to Step 1 vs testing on "low yield fluff"? Will they allow more efficient studying time and remove unnecessary mandatory sessions?
  2. Is the pre-clinical curriculum integrated, systems-based, case-based, or lecture-heavy?
  3. How many hours do you guys study per day on average? Do you ever have relaxing weekends?
  4. Are you required to be on campus every single day? I heard classes are online, but there are a lot of other mandatory meetings/strive sessions/labs/quizzes, etc? Not saying, I wouldn't be interested in attending in person. I live in DFW area, about 35 mins without traffic from UTSW, but could be 50-75 minutes easily with the rush hour/downtown traffic. So was wondering if I can stay home to study some days instead. (NOT a big deal tho! I can drive easily everyday)
  5. Do we get hands on clinical experience early?
  6. Are there mentorship programs/personalized advising? Like are you able to get in touch with any of the UTSW's residency faculty - to build connection, make a good first impression, get letter of recommendation, and have a strong chance in landing a residency spot in UTSW?
  7. Do we have high quality simulation labs, standardized patients, cadaver labs, clinical sims labs, and other resources?
  8. Are we taught ultrasound techniques and interpreting different imaging studies at a competent level?
  9. What else can you do on UTSW's campus? What other amenities or activities are there?
  10. Where do people study? Are there private quiet rooms with big white boards?
  11. What's the student classroom vibe like - collaborative or cutthroat?
  12. How are the professors at teaching concepts? I read it's an average 5-6/10 from above, is this accurate?
  13. Does UTSW give out merit based scholarships/full ride to some accepted students? If so, how many do they give out?
  14. What other critiques do you guys have of UTSW?
  15. What are all the things you like about UTSW?
  16. Could you guys share some accepted stats of non-traditional applicants with unique backgrounds (their journey, clinical experience, gpa, mcat, 30+ year olds, etc)? I am a hopeful non-trad that lives in DFW haha. If I get into UTSW, I will cry!!
Please feel free to share anything else I did not mention! I will be reading all replies from current UTSW students 🙂 Feel free to DM me if it's private.
Please DM me too! I am curious as well.
 
I guess the UTSW students are back to being busy again 😅
That we are! lol

Let me go through each of your questions one-at-a-time. I'm sure most of these have been answered elsewhere on this thread at some point by one of us students so seek those out if you want additional perspectives.

Do you know of any active changes they are trying to implement in the pre-clinical years to have a stronger Step 1 prep? Will they transition to NBME exams? Will their exams/learning objectives be more relevant to Step 1 vs testing on "low yield fluff"? Will they allow more efficient studying time and remove unnecessary mandatory sessions?
Biggest change I’ve seen is course directors handpicking UWorld questions that align with our blocks—heme did this really well, pulm is doing it too. Honestly though, I don’t think we need a full STEP 1 overhaul. UTSW covers UWorld, gives 6 weeks dedicated, and the summer before M2 is pretty free—even with research.

No, we’re not switching to NBME exams anytime soon, but they are trimming a lot of fluff, especially first semester (though opinions vary). Mandatory sessions like TBLs/CBLs are here to stay—usually useful, though the timing can be hit-or-miss. Most lectures are now online and pre-recorded, which has made it way easier to stay ahead or study more efficiently. At the end of the day, it's still a sprint. Some of this stuff matters less than you’d think once you're in it.

Is the pre-clinical curriculum integrated, systems-based, case-based, or lecture-heavy?
First semester (PC1) is pretty lecture-heavy and a bit scattershot—it’s meant to clear out the foundational “distraction” courses like anatomy, biochem, micro, etc. They’re all important long term, but it makes PC1 feel less integrated. Starting in PC2 and PC3, the curriculum becomes more systems-based, with some case-based learning depending on the course director. So yeah—initially lecture-heavy, then more organized into organ blocks (but still really lecture heavy; they've got to present the material to you somehow lol).

How many hours do you guys study per day on average? Do you ever have relaxing weekends?

I’ve said this elsewhere in the thread, but it bears repeating: med school will take whatever you’re willing to give it. It’s up to you to draw the line somewhere beyond just passing. We are a P/F curriculum. That boundary looks different for everyone, but most of us eventually find a rhythm.

On average, people study a solid amount—maybe 4–8 hours a day depending on the block, deadlines, and personal style—but what really matters is how you study, not just how long. And yes, most of us carve out time for weekends. If you find yourself unable to build in downtime, I’d genuinely recommend reaching out to our academic support team. They’re fantastic at helping people reprioritize and get unstuck. Anecdotally, just about everyone I know has found a routine that works and they're doing well, a bit stressed sometimes, but well.

Are you required to be on campus every single day? I heard classes are online, but there are a lot of other mandatory meetings/strive sessions/labs/quizzes, etc? Not saying, I wouldn't be interested in attending in person. I live in DFW area, about 35 mins without traffic from UTSW, but could be 50-75 minutes easily with the rush hour/downtown traffic. So was wondering if I can stay home to study some days instead. (NOT a big deal tho! I can drive easily everyday)

You can expect to be on campus about 4 days a week during the first semester. That drops to more like 2–3 days in the second and third. I study on campus a lot by choice, but I totally get where you’re coming from.

That said, being in person is a big part of the culture here. A lot of the clinical skills stuff, group learning sessions, and labs are scheduled in a way that can make your days feel pretty packed. So while lectures are mostly online now, the rest of your schedule still pulls you in pretty regularly.

Do we get hands on clinical experience early?
Yup. You’ll see your first standardized patient within the first couple weeks. Not long after, you go as a small group to see a real patient, and by the end of first semester, you’re doing full visit write-ups at Parkland or Clements—history, physical (with an MS4 mentor), differential, treatment plan, and presenting it to your small group.

You’ll also get hands-on with phlebotomy pretty early. MS1s are cycled through Parkland and have to successfully draw blood from a set number of patients (don’t remember the exact number). There's also a ton of opportunities you can seek out on your own. I've been volunteering at our free clinic giving vaccines to kids for school, personally and it's been a very cool experience.

Are there mentorship programs/personalized advising? Like are you able to get in touch with any of the UTSW's residency faculty - to build connection, make a good first impression, get letter of recommendation, and have a strong chance in landing a residency spot in UTSW?
Yeah, definitely. You get assigned to a small group of 5–6 students with a physician mentor and 2–3 MS4s who rotate in. We meet once a week—usually Wednesday or Thursday afternoons—and it’s a chill but consistent way to build mentorship, get feedback, and work on clinical skills.

You’re also paired with one of the Deans of Student Affairs who you’ll meet with throughout med school to talk through specialty interests, how to build your app, and eventually how to approach residency stuff.

Cold emailing is also surprisingly effective—at least it has been for me and my friends. A lot of faculty and residents are open to having you shadow or just chat, and those connections can definitely turn into letters or longer-term mentorship if you take the initiative.

Do we have high quality simulation labs, standardized patients, cadaver labs, clinical sims labs, and other resources?
yes. yes. yes. yes. the resources here are all you could hope for as a training medical student.

Are we taught ultrasound techniques and interpreting different imaging studies at a competent level?
Yeah, it’s woven into pretty much every block. You’ll get lecture-based training on ultrasound, X-rays, CTs, etc., and you're expected to learn the basics of interpreting them as part of the preclinical curriculum. It's not super hands-on early on, but the exposure is consistent and definitely builds a solid foundation.

What else can you do on UTSW's campus? What other amenities or activities are there?

There’s actually a good amount going on. We’ve got a student rec center with basketball, volleyball, tennis, indoor track, and a solid weight room. Parking’s easy—garage is a short walk from campus—and there are shuttle services between school and the hospitals.

You also have access to basically every academic/research building on campus, which makes it easy to find quiet or scenic study spots (some with skyline views if that’s your thing). And yeah—free food is a regular thing thanks to all the interest group lunches, specialty talks, etc.

Where do people study? Are there private quiet rooms with big white boards?
Kind of touched on this already, but yeah—besides those other spots, most people study in the library or student lounges. There are whiteboards everywhere, so you’re covered. The quiet section of the library has around 15 private rooms with tables and full whiteboards, ~30 private study cubicles, and a bunch of tables by the windows if you’re into natural light. In the early spring and late fall, a lot of people head out to the plaza to study—it’s a nice change of pace when the weather’s good.

What's the student classroom vibe like - collaborative or cutthroat? My previous post.
The atmosphere at UTSW is serious, but (clearing the air here again) it's definitely not cutthroat. People here are excited to be part of this community and are very supportive. While we know how to enjoy ourselves, if you're looking for a laid-back, "chill" medical school vibe, UTSW probably isn't the best fit.

That said, being part of a community of hardworking individuals is incredibly motivating—you naturally rise to that level of commitment. It's a place where you’re pushed, but it's all for the benefit of your development and your future patients.

I can’t personally speak to the experiences at Long or McGovern, as I don’t attend those schools. If you’re considering them, I’d suggest reaching out to current students there to get their perspectives and then comparing that to what you hear from us at UTSW.

How are the professors at teaching concepts? I read it's an average 5-6/10 from above, is this accurate?
There are definitely some great teachers and some that don’t hit as well—it’s a mix, like pretty much any med school. That said, you’re not stuck with just the lectures. There are “tutoring slides” made by upperclassmen that break down high-yield, testable material for each block. They’re not a replacement for lectures, but they’re a super helpful supplement—especially if a particular lecturer isn’t your style.

Does UTSW give out merit based scholarships/full ride to some accepted students? If so, how many do they give out?
Can't speak to this, try reaching out to our financial aid office and asking them. They're very friendly and helpful.

What other critiques do you guys have of UTSW?
Honestly, I’m happy here and genuinely grateful for the opportunity. I don’t really have major complaints.

That said, like anywhere, there are small things that can get frustrating—first semester can feel kind of scattered, especially before the organ blocks start. Some mandatory sessions don’t always feel super high-yield, even though they usually have some value if you lean in. And yeah, being in Dallas, traffic can definitely suck depending on where you're coming from. But overall, the clinical exposure, the resources, and just how much support is available really outweigh the minor stuff. Most of us settle in and figure out what works pretty quickly.

What are all the things you like about UTSW?

What I love about UTSW is that stuff just kind of falls in your lap. I’ll be sitting there studying and get an email out of nowhere for a clinical experience or shadowing opportunity that someone took the time to organize just for us med students. It makes it feel like you’re being set up to succeed from day one.

Also, the patient population here is incredible. I’ve talked to so many people whose lives were completely changed by this place—they’re practically glowing when they talk about what UTSW has done for them. It’s humbling and honestly a powerful reminder of why we’re doing this.

Research-wise, it’s everywhere. If you’re even remotely interested, it won’t take long to find a mentor or project. People are willing to help if you just show some initiative. The hospital system is huge and integrated, so you get early, real exposure to high-level medicine across Parkland, Clements, Children’s, and the VA.

Could you guys share some accepted stats of non-traditional applicants with unique backgrounds (their journey, clinical experience, gpa, mcat, 30+ year olds, etc)? I am a hopeful non-trad that lives in DFW haha. If I get into UTSW, I will cry!!

Sorry, wish I could help you with this but aside from the MSAR and the UTSW web-page, there's not much else I'm able to provide information-wise. I know students who got MCATs of 520ish and others that were in the upper 500s.
Southwestern does show love to nontrads though so they'll definitely give you a good look. Best of luck!
 
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Let me go through each of your questions one-at-a-time. I'm sure most of these have been answered elsewhere on this thread at some point by one of us students so seek those out if you want additional perspectives.
You're amazing, thank you for taking so much time to answering questions on this sub
 
Hello! Has anyone heard any updates regarding applicants put on the alternative list? I remember reading in the original email from admissions that they would send an email update around the beginning or middle of spring...?
 
That we are! lol

Let me go through each of your questions one-at-a-time. I'm sure most of these have been answered elsewhere on this thread at some point by one of us students so seek those out if you want additional perspectives.

Do you know of any active changes they are trying to implement in the pre-clinical years to have a stronger Step 1 prep? Will they transition to NBME exams? Will their exams/learning objectives be more relevant to Step 1 vs testing on "low yield fluff"? Will they allow more efficient studying time and remove unnecessary mandatory sessions?
Biggest change I’ve seen is course directors handpicking UWorld questions that align with our blocks—heme did this really well, pulm is doing it too. Honestly though, I don’t think we need a full STEP 1 overhaul. UTSW covers UWorld, gives 6 weeks dedicated, and the summer before M2 is pretty free—even with research.

No, we’re not switching to NBME exams anytime soon, but they are trimming a lot of fluff, especially first semester (though opinions vary). Mandatory sessions like TBLs/CBLs are here to stay—usually useful, though the timing can be hit-or-miss. Most lectures are now online and pre-recorded, which has made it way easier to stay ahead or study more efficiently. At the end of the day, it's still a sprint. Some of this stuff matters less than you’d think once you're in it.

Is the pre-clinical curriculum integrated, systems-based, case-based, or lecture-heavy?
First semester (PC1) is pretty lecture-heavy and a bit scattershot—it’s meant to clear out the foundational “distraction” courses like anatomy, biochem, micro, etc. They’re all important long term, but it makes PC1 feel less integrated. Starting in PC2 and PC3, the curriculum becomes more systems-based, with some case-based learning depending on the course director. So yeah—initially lecture-heavy, then more organized into organ blocks (but still really lecture heavy; they've got to present the material to you somehow lol).

How many hours do you guys study per day on average? Do you ever have relaxing weekends?

I’ve said this elsewhere in the thread, but it bears repeating: med school will take whatever you’re willing to give it. It’s up to you to draw the line somewhere beyond just passing. We are a P/F curriculum. That boundary looks different for everyone, but most of us eventually find a rhythm.

On average, people study a solid amount—maybe 4–8 hours a day depending on the block, deadlines, and personal style—but what really matters is how you study, not just how long. And yes, most of us carve out time for weekends. If you find yourself unable to build in downtime, I’d genuinely recommend reaching out to our academic support team. They’re fantastic at helping people reprioritize and get unstuck. Anecdotally, just about everyone I know has found a routine that works and they're doing well, a bit stressed sometimes, but well.

Are you required to be on campus every single day? I heard classes are online, but there are a lot of other mandatory meetings/strive sessions/labs/quizzes, etc? Not saying, I wouldn't be interested in attending in person. I live in DFW area, about 35 mins without traffic from UTSW, but could be 50-75 minutes easily with the rush hour/downtown traffic. So was wondering if I can stay home to study some days instead. (NOT a big deal tho! I can drive easily everyday)

You can expect to be on campus about 4 days a week during the first semester. That drops to more like 2–3 days in the second and third. I study on campus a lot by choice, but I totally get where you’re coming from.

That said, being in person is a big part of the culture here. A lot of the clinical skills stuff, group learning sessions, and labs are scheduled in a way that can make your days feel pretty packed. So while lectures are mostly online now, the rest of your schedule still pulls you in pretty regularly.

Do we get hands on clinical experience early?
Yup. You’ll see your first standardized patient within the first couple weeks. Not long after, you go as a small group to see a real patient, and by the end of first semester, you’re doing full visit write-ups at Parkland or Clements—history, physical (with an MS4 mentor), differential, treatment plan, and presenting it to your small group.

You’ll also get hands-on with phlebotomy pretty early. MS1s are cycled through Parkland and have to successfully draw blood from a set number of patients (don’t remember the exact number). There's also a ton of opportunities you can seek out on your own. I've been volunteering at our free clinic giving vaccines to kids for school, personally and it's been a very cool experience.

Are there mentorship programs/personalized advising? Like are you able to get in touch with any of the UTSW's residency faculty - to build connection, make a good first impression, get letter of recommendation, and have a strong chance in landing a residency spot in UTSW?
Yeah, definitely. You get assigned to a small group of 5–6 students with a physician mentor and 2–3 MS4s who rotate in. We meet once a week—usually Wednesday or Thursday afternoons—and it’s a chill but consistent way to build mentorship, get feedback, and work on clinical skills.

You’re also paired with one of the Deans of Student Affairs who you’ll meet with throughout med school to talk through specialty interests, how to build your app, and eventually how to approach residency stuff.

Cold emailing is also surprisingly effective—at least it has been for me and my friends. A lot of faculty and residents are open to having you shadow or just chat, and those connections can definitely turn into letters or longer-term mentorship if you take the initiative.

Do we have high quality simulation labs, standardized patients, cadaver labs, clinical sims labs, and other resources?
yes. yes. yes. yes. the resources here are all you could hope for as a training medical student.

Are we taught ultrasound techniques and interpreting different imaging studies at a competent level?
Yeah, it’s woven into pretty much every block. You’ll get lecture-based training on ultrasound, X-rays, CTs, etc., and you're expected to learn the basics of interpreting them as part of the preclinical curriculum. It's not super hands-on early on, but the exposure is consistent and definitely builds a solid foundation.

What else can you do on UTSW's campus? What other amenities or activities are there?

There’s actually a good amount going on. We’ve got a student rec center with basketball, volleyball, tennis, indoor track, and a solid weight room. Parking’s easy—garage is a short walk from campus—and there are shuttle services between school and the hospitals.

You also have access to basically every academic/research building on campus, which makes it easy to find quiet or scenic study spots (some with skyline views if that’s your thing). And yeah—free food is a regular thing thanks to all the interest group lunches, specialty talks, etc.

Where do people study? Are there private quiet rooms with big white boards?
Kind of touched on this already, but yeah—besides those other spots, most people study in the library or student lounges. There are whiteboards everywhere, so you’re covered. The quiet section of the library has around 15 private rooms with tables and full whiteboards, ~30 private study cubicles, and a bunch of tables by the windows if you’re into natural light. In the early spring and late fall, a lot of people head out to the plaza to study—it’s a nice change of pace when the weather’s good.

What's the student classroom vibe like - collaborative or cutthroat? My previous post.


How are the professors at teaching concepts? I read it's an average 5-6/10 from above, is this accurate?
There are definitely some great teachers and some that don’t hit as well—it’s a mix, like pretty much any med school. That said, you’re not stuck with just the lectures. There are “tutoring slides” made by upperclassmen that break down high-yield, testable material for each block. They’re not a replacement for lectures, but they’re a super helpful supplement—especially if a particular lecturer isn’t your style.

Does UTSW give out merit based scholarships/full ride to some accepted students? If so, how many do they give out?
Can't speak to this, try reaching out to our financial aid office and asking them. They're very friendly and helpful.

What other critiques do you guys have of UTSW?
Honestly, I’m happy here and genuinely grateful for the opportunity. I don’t really have major complaints.

That said, like anywhere, there are small things that can get frustrating—first semester can feel kind of scattered, especially before the organ blocks start. Some mandatory sessions don’t always feel super high-yield, even though they usually have some value if you lean in. And yeah, being in Dallas, traffic can definitely suck depending on where you're coming from. But overall, the clinical exposure, the resources, and just how much support is available really outweigh the minor stuff. Most of us settle in and figure out what works pretty quickly.

What are all the things you like about UTSW?

What I love about UTSW is that stuff just kind of falls in your lap. I’ll be sitting there studying and get an email out of nowhere for a clinical experience or shadowing opportunity that someone took the time to organize just for us med students. It makes it feel like you’re being set up to succeed from day one.

Also, the patient population here is incredible. I’ve talked to so many people whose lives were completely changed by this place—they’re practically glowing when they talk about what UTSW has done for them. It’s humbling and honestly a powerful reminder of why we’re doing this.

Research-wise, it’s everywhere. If you’re even remotely interested, it won’t take long to find a mentor or project. People are willing to help if you just show some initiative. The hospital system is huge and integrated, so you get early, real exposure to high-level medicine across Parkland, Clements, Children’s, and the VA.

Could you guys share some accepted stats of non-traditional applicants with unique backgrounds (their journey, clinical experience, gpa, mcat, 30+ year olds, etc)? I am a hopeful non-trad that lives in DFW haha. If I get into UTSW, I will cry!!

Sorry, wish I could help you with this but aside from the MSAR and the UTSW web-page, there's not much else I'm able to provide information-wise. I know students who got MCATs of 520ish and others that were in the upper 500s.
Southwestern does show love to nontrads though so they'll definitely give you a good look. Best of luck!
Can confirm - a fellow MS2 starting clerkships soon
 
Hello everyone! Regarding the "resolve multiple acceptance" deadline on April 30th, other than updating UTSW as the school I am choosing to attend on the AMCAS CYMS tool, is there anything else that needs to be done? After the TMDSAS match, I do not hold any other acceptances.
 
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Hello everyone! Regarding the "resolve multiple acceptance" deadline on April 30th, other than updating UTSW as the school I am choosing to attend on the AMCAS CYMS tool, is there anything else that needs to be done? After the TMDSAS match, I do not hold any other acceptances.
If you only hold one you don’t need to do anything else
 
That we are! lol

Let me go through each of your questions one-at-a-time. I'm sure most of these have been answered elsewhere on this thread at some point by one of us students so seek those out if you want additional perspectives.

Do you know of any active changes they are trying to implement in the pre-clinical years to have a stronger Step 1 prep? Will they transition to NBME exams? Will their exams/learning objectives be more relevant to Step 1 vs testing on "low yield fluff"? Will they allow more efficient studying time and remove unnecessary mandatory sessions?
Biggest change I’ve seen is course directors handpicking UWorld questions that align with our blocks—heme did this really well, pulm is doing it too. Honestly though, I don’t think we need a full STEP 1 overhaul. UTSW covers UWorld, gives 6 weeks dedicated, and the summer before M2 is pretty free—even with research.

No, we’re not switching to NBME exams anytime soon, but they are trimming a lot of fluff, especially first semester (though opinions vary). Mandatory sessions like TBLs/CBLs are here to stay—usually useful, though the timing can be hit-or-miss. Most lectures are now online and pre-recorded, which has made it way easier to stay ahead or study more efficiently. At the end of the day, it's still a sprint. Some of this stuff matters less than you’d think once you're in it.

Is the pre-clinical curriculum integrated, systems-based, case-based, or lecture-heavy?
First semester (PC1) is pretty lecture-heavy and a bit scattershot—it’s meant to clear out the foundational “distraction” courses like anatomy, biochem, micro, etc. They’re all important long term, but it makes PC1 feel less integrated. Starting in PC2 and PC3, the curriculum becomes more systems-based, with some case-based learning depending on the course director. So yeah—initially lecture-heavy, then more organized into organ blocks (but still really lecture heavy; they've got to present the material to you somehow lol).

How many hours do you guys study per day on average? Do you ever have relaxing weekends?

I’ve said this elsewhere in the thread, but it bears repeating: med school will take whatever you’re willing to give it. It’s up to you to draw the line somewhere beyond just passing. We are a P/F curriculum. That boundary looks different for everyone, but most of us eventually find a rhythm.

On average, people study a solid amount—maybe 4–8 hours a day depending on the block, deadlines, and personal style—but what really matters is how you study, not just how long. And yes, most of us carve out time for weekends. If you find yourself unable to build in downtime, I’d genuinely recommend reaching out to our academic support team. They’re fantastic at helping people reprioritize and get unstuck. Anecdotally, just about everyone I know has found a routine that works and they're doing well, a bit stressed sometimes, but well.

Are you required to be on campus every single day? I heard classes are online, but there are a lot of other mandatory meetings/strive sessions/labs/quizzes, etc? Not saying, I wouldn't be interested in attending in person. I live in DFW area, about 35 mins without traffic from UTSW, but could be 50-75 minutes easily with the rush hour/downtown traffic. So was wondering if I can stay home to study some days instead. (NOT a big deal tho! I can drive easily everyday)

You can expect to be on campus about 4 days a week during the first semester. That drops to more like 2–3 days in the second and third. I study on campus a lot by choice, but I totally get where you’re coming from.

That said, being in person is a big part of the culture here. A lot of the clinical skills stuff, group learning sessions, and labs are scheduled in a way that can make your days feel pretty packed. So while lectures are mostly online now, the rest of your schedule still pulls you in pretty regularly.

Do we get hands on clinical experience early?
Yup. You’ll see your first standardized patient within the first couple weeks. Not long after, you go as a small group to see a real patient, and by the end of first semester, you’re doing full visit write-ups at Parkland or Clements—history, physical (with an MS4 mentor), differential, treatment plan, and presenting it to your small group.

You’ll also get hands-on with phlebotomy pretty early. MS1s are cycled through Parkland and have to successfully draw blood from a set number of patients (don’t remember the exact number). There's also a ton of opportunities you can seek out on your own. I've been volunteering at our free clinic giving vaccines to kids for school, personally and it's been a very cool experience.

Are there mentorship programs/personalized advising? Like are you able to get in touch with any of the UTSW's residency faculty - to build connection, make a good first impression, get letter of recommendation, and have a strong chance in landing a residency spot in UTSW?
Yeah, definitely. You get assigned to a small group of 5–6 students with a physician mentor and 2–3 MS4s who rotate in. We meet once a week—usually Wednesday or Thursday afternoons—and it’s a chill but consistent way to build mentorship, get feedback, and work on clinical skills.

You’re also paired with one of the Deans of Student Affairs who you’ll meet with throughout med school to talk through specialty interests, how to build your app, and eventually how to approach residency stuff.

Cold emailing is also surprisingly effective—at least it has been for me and my friends. A lot of faculty and residents are open to having you shadow or just chat, and those connections can definitely turn into letters or longer-term mentorship if you take the initiative.

Do we have high quality simulation labs, standardized patients, cadaver labs, clinical sims labs, and other resources?
yes. yes. yes. yes. the resources here are all you could hope for as a training medical student.

Are we taught ultrasound techniques and interpreting different imaging studies at a competent level?
Yeah, it’s woven into pretty much every block. You’ll get lecture-based training on ultrasound, X-rays, CTs, etc., and you're expected to learn the basics of interpreting them as part of the preclinical curriculum. It's not super hands-on early on, but the exposure is consistent and definitely builds a solid foundation.

What else can you do on UTSW's campus? What other amenities or activities are there?

There’s actually a good amount going on. We’ve got a student rec center with basketball, volleyball, tennis, indoor track, and a solid weight room. Parking’s easy—garage is a short walk from campus—and there are shuttle services between school and the hospitals.

You also have access to basically every academic/research building on campus, which makes it easy to find quiet or scenic study spots (some with skyline views if that’s your thing). And yeah—free food is a regular thing thanks to all the interest group lunches, specialty talks, etc.

Where do people study? Are there private quiet rooms with big white boards?
Kind of touched on this already, but yeah—besides those other spots, most people study in the library or student lounges. There are whiteboards everywhere, so you’re covered. The quiet section of the library has around 15 private rooms with tables and full whiteboards, ~30 private study cubicles, and a bunch of tables by the windows if you’re into natural light. In the early spring and late fall, a lot of people head out to the plaza to study—it’s a nice change of pace when the weather’s good.

What's the student classroom vibe like - collaborative or cutthroat? My previous post.


How are the professors at teaching concepts? I read it's an average 5-6/10 from above, is this accurate?
There are definitely some great teachers and some that don’t hit as well—it’s a mix, like pretty much any med school. That said, you’re not stuck with just the lectures. There are “tutoring slides” made by upperclassmen that break down high-yield, testable material for each block. They’re not a replacement for lectures, but they’re a super helpful supplement—especially if a particular lecturer isn’t your style.

Does UTSW give out merit based scholarships/full ride to some accepted students? If so, how many do they give out?
Can't speak to this, try reaching out to our financial aid office and asking them. They're very friendly and helpful.

What other critiques do you guys have of UTSW?
Honestly, I’m happy here and genuinely grateful for the opportunity. I don’t really have major complaints.

That said, like anywhere, there are small things that can get frustrating—first semester can feel kind of scattered, especially before the organ blocks start. Some mandatory sessions don’t always feel super high-yield, even though they usually have some value if you lean in. And yeah, being in Dallas, traffic can definitely suck depending on where you're coming from. But overall, the clinical exposure, the resources, and just how much support is available really outweigh the minor stuff. Most of us settle in and figure out what works pretty quickly.

What are all the things you like about UTSW?

What I love about UTSW is that stuff just kind of falls in your lap. I’ll be sitting there studying and get an email out of nowhere for a clinical experience or shadowing opportunity that someone took the time to organize just for us med students. It makes it feel like you’re being set up to succeed from day one.

Also, the patient population here is incredible. I’ve talked to so many people whose lives were completely changed by this place—they’re practically glowing when they talk about what UTSW has done for them. It’s humbling and honestly a powerful reminder of why we’re doing this.

Research-wise, it’s everywhere. If you’re even remotely interested, it won’t take long to find a mentor or project. People are willing to help if you just show some initiative. The hospital system is huge and integrated, so you get early, real exposure to high-level medicine across Parkland, Clements, Children’s, and the VA.

Could you guys share some accepted stats of non-traditional applicants with unique backgrounds (their journey, clinical experience, gpa, mcat, 30+ year olds, etc)? I am a hopeful non-trad that lives in DFW haha. If I get into UTSW, I will cry!!

Sorry, wish I could help you with this but aside from the MSAR and the UTSW web-page, there's not much else I'm able to provide information-wise. I know students who got MCATs of 520ish and others that were in the upper 500s.
Southwestern does show love to nontrads though so they'll definitely give you a good look. Best of luck!
Honestly, this is why I love UTSW.

There's always someone smarter that knows the answer and can explain it to you lol.

A much more level-headed response that captures the pros and cons fairly. I'd say this is the average sentiment of the class on all the points, at least if you can catch us when we aren't super stressed
 
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