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On a happier note.

Is anyone else excited about hearing back later next week about their decisions!?

We're expecting a letter via USPS to arrive Oct 18th or later right?
 
There must be more to this story. It feels as if this anecdote doesn't get at the heart of the issue. Why would they not want their students to learn the material? Maybe the admins thought med students would be well versed in the basics by some other lecture or the pre-medical curriculum?

Everything that I've heard (from both students and admins) up to this point has suggested the exact opposite from what you're telling us.

I tried to post this earlier, but my internet died on me. Anyway...

If I remember correctly, that comment was based on a session that was supposed to be Family Feud. I did not actually attend that session, because I got horribly behind and was not able to do the pre-class reading, and I learned long ago that you're lost in those types of classes if you don't do the pre-class work.

The original professor for that session had to leave town for something, so another professor stepped in. The (original) professor developed Family Feud last year, and was using it as a teaching tool, rather than as a review tool. I think a lot of people got frustrated by this, and acid-base stuff is hard anyway, so teaching it in this style complicated the problem.

The professor who stepped in didn't realize (or wasn't told, or whatever) that this was the first time we were really seeing the information, and thought it more as a review. So, as I understand it, instead of doing FF, he opted to do a basic lecture.

The original professor has been told that the FF doesn't work (for us) in that setting, and I think he will be revising his teaching style next year.

There are a couple things you have to understand about my class. We're the first people on this curriculum, and it's very rough. The first years don't have nearly as many complaints as we do, because they had a nice even transition from the start (and they have the benefit of us, who can say 'don't read this book, purchase this one, this one will be your bible for this thread,' etc). The class above us gave us advice too, but most of it was tailored to their curriculum, and was completely not applicable to us. We encounter many problems at the start of each new system because the system leaders don't know how to run the system yet. They've had the benefit of knowing what we don't like about past systems, but they don't always know what to do better, or if something will work better in their system than systems past without having done it yet, which makes it difficult.

But, because we're the first class, we tend to complain about things that aren't going to matter for the next classes. For instance, we got every Friday before an exam off until recently, when they started putting classes on those days (they've been optional review sessions; no new material presented). But, the first years have always had class on those Fridays, so they're used to it. The test review policy is also different, and we frequently complain because they keep trying to change our policy to match the first years' policy, when we've been doing it our way for over a year. We've adapted to the problems that we've faced, from people sending our reminder e-mails because the system leaders don't, to hosting our own review sessions when we feel something wasn't taught well. We tell the administration about those problems, but it's like moving a huge ship... it takes time to make the adjustments, and often by the time we complain about them, it's too late for us (because we've moved on to a new system, or aren't going to have that professor teach us anymore, etc).

I'm by no means saying that NexGen is perfect, and I am often one of the more vocal people when something goes wrong. But, I don't think it's a bad curriculum as a whole. It's certainly not for everyone, so be sure you get informed as to what NexGen entails before you decide to come here.
 
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^The second years also rock - we are very grateful to them for being the guinea pigs and making things go so much more smoothly for us.

The faculty frequently admit that things are a little rough, but point out that it's wayyyy better this year than last year. I suspect it'll be even better for the incoming first years.
 
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Just to give some perspective to those applying to UVA, here is a very accurate description of the next generation curriculum at UVA written by a second year student
Yeah... no.

The reason is that the administration instructed him not to teach us the basics in class, as he admitted to us towards the end. In the past, when our teachers failed to give us an adequate foundation for knowledge, I assumed that there was some miscommunication at best and negligence at worst, but this is a deliberate, active attempt to deny us the tools we need to learn.
I was at this class, and stayed after as he was explaining the concepts to a small group of students. Now, I did leave after a few minutes, so maybe the professor did say what is quoted. However, what he said during class was that one of our system leaders had told him we'd seen the material before. Now, given that this same system leader devoted a significant amount of time during that week's wrap-up to explaining this particular concept, I highly doubt he ordered our professor to withhold the basics. It seemed like a communication error.

I love my class. However, I sometimes think people forget that med school is a hard experience. It's always been hard, and our new curriculum isn't suddenly targeting us. I feel some people unfairly use the fact that NxGen is new to complain about stuff. Complaints about rescheduling of activities, software malfunctions, podcasts not working properly (very rare) - the emotional reactions I've seen to such things baffle me.

However, there have been plenty of complaints that are appropriate. Thankfully, these have usually been handled pretty maturely and helpfully. For example: in one of our previous units, system leaders weren't podcasting what they termed 'case discussions'. Given then there was a lot of lecturing during these sessions and it was hard to grasp everything in the moment, students made their concerns clear. We've now had pretty much everything podcasted since.

Another common complaint is that we've slowly been provided with less and less handouts as our 18 months of basic sciences has progressed. We've instead often been assigned textbook chapters. I and many others would much rather have condensed handouts that save time, but the curriculum committee disagrees. It's not that they don't want to make handouts - they already have materials from previous years - they just believe reading textbooks is a better method, citing education research studies. My experience doesn't mesh with those studies, so hopefully we can reach a middle ground. Ideally, that'd be handouts + recommended textbook chapters for further context if needed.

So yeah, our curriculum isn't perfect. The structure or time allotment of certain sessions was sometimes off for us, so hopefully they've improved things for the current first years. I'd like to see them provide more condensed pre-class materials and more practice questions - I think these two things alone would solidify stuff a lot. We have a decent amount of active learning, and not everyone likes that. These are all things to consider when evaluating our school.

Of course, I've been studying stuff with a really clinical focus, avoiding a lot of random basic science stuff that will never help me as a doctor. I've seen and worked with my classmates far more than previous classes had. I'll enter clinical rotations months ahead of my friends. I'll have the most elective time of any med student in the country, free to do research or whatever. I've met really great faculty.

So I've been happy. That's not to say I haven't disliked things - I've disliked classes, activities, even system leaders (really just one, ha). I don't think being happy about most things somehow means the things I dislike should be ignored, so I've been at pretty much every curriculum feedback session (seriously) to say what they could/should be doing better. Hopefully UVA will continue to use our feedback to shore up some areas and make NxGen a more uniformly positive experience.

EDIT: Sorry for the rambling. I'm not the best at articulating my thoughts, haha.
 
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On a happier note.

Is anyone else excited about hearing back later next week about their decisions!?

We're expecting a letter via USPS to arrive Oct 18th or later right?

I think that's right. I seem to remember them saying letters would be mailed out on Monday, so it would depend on geography. Not 100% sure though.
 
Are they not a phone call notification school?

This is definitely one of the schools that I'm most anxious to hear back from.
 
I would say that Steeler's response is pitch-perfect and mirrors my own thoughts. I would add that "the administration" obviously cares deeply about us, and they are a very relaxed and friendly group of people.

UVA mails their decisions the old-fashioned way, so the letters should start arriving some time this week. Hopefully they'll show up earlier rather than later. I know that it doesn't have the immediate gratification of an online update or a phone call--that was how I got my first acceptance on October 15 or 16th--but opening that physical letter and holding it in your hands as you quickly scan through the phrases "great pleasure to inform you", "acceptance" and "welcoming you to the University of Virginia", is one of the best experiences I've ever had. I have my letter in a little frame in my apartment 🙂

For us, the acceptance letter came in a normal-sized envelope, not a big manilla-envelope, so don't get a sinking feeling if that's what you see in the mailbox. Good luck everyone!
 
I'm currently a first year at UVA, and just wanted to share a few thoughts on the curriculum and school.

Good luck on your applications, but I'd strongly encourage you to go somewhere else. Don’t come here.

Things you should understand about the NxGen curriculum.
1. The excellent notes that past classes raved about are almost all gone. You get "learning objectives" to answer. You have the privilege of searching Wikipedia to form the basis of your medical education. What a waste of time. They want us to "discover” the knowledge on our own by working in a “collaborative environment”. I guess that’s our google doc cut and pasted from Wikipedia. Rather than having the correct information available to study and learn, I can post a question to our online forum, wait for the wrong answers to roll in from my classmates, and then hope the professor answers my question eventually.
2. Classes are essentially mandatory. While not required, many have quizzes or graded projects. So as long as you don’t actually want to get any points, I guess they are optional. Rather than actually covering the testable material, they are weighted towards active group projects. Great, so I can sit around with eight of my classmates and guess what the answers might be and make a poster. Then after wasting an hour, you can tell us that we were wrong and just reinforced the incorrect information which I now have to unlearn. I’m not paying this much money to have other students teach me the wrong information.
3. The “early patient exposure” is total eyewash. Patient exposure is sitting in a lecture hall watching a doctor talk about a patient sitting next to him. Amazing.
4. The large group activities are a total waste. You get to spend two hours answering ten questions. Really that time could be better used to actually teach us something.

I remember reading a thread last year about the curriculum problems. I should have listened. The problems go way beyond the disorganization of the curriculum. The very basis of it is flawed. A total train wreck of trendy education theories and new age group think. It doesn’t have to be this way. I’ve spoken with my friends at other schools, and the problems at UVA go far beyond the difficulty of first year. The curriculum here actively impedes your learning. UVA School of Medicine – Like paying $40K a year to use Google.

Go to a real school that actually wants to educate its students.
 
😱 Rather scathing review. The 1st and 2nd-year UVA students I met seemed pretty happy there. Maybe a student's experience with the new curriculum is highly dependent on personality type. It's interesting to hear different perspectives.
 
I would guess that one's response to our curriculum is highly dependent on personality type, or learning style, or whatever you want to call it. Really, this poster learns about everything from Wikipedia? Do you just pretend that the handouts aren't there? If you don't like the handouts (or if none are provided for a particular session), there are plenty of books on the subject...get it online or buy a hard copy.
I personally like preparing for class ahead of time (lecture or group work) and reinforcing/clarifying during class. I like the TBLs (team-based learning), which I assume is the spending-an-hour-answering-ten-questions bit mentioned. I think the patient interviews are cool, even if they're not especially high-yield.
It's a bummer that this poster feels like the curriculum actively impedes his learning. Clearly he picked the wrong school.
If any applicants have real concerns about whether or not this curriculum is for them, I encourage asking about the day-to-day details about what it's like and then deciding. One person's opinion is only one person's opinion.
 
Current first year here.

As noted, there does seem to be a lot of people sippin' the haterade up in huurr, so I thought I would just put my two cents for those who care.

First of all, I am happy I came here. The people (classmates, faculty) are awesome, and c'ville is a pretty bitchin' place. August was a little humid for my liking, but fall on the east coast can't be beat.

In regards to particulars mentioned by SMD93619, I will just give my perspectives on the issues he/she raised:

1. Yes it is true that we no longer have hard copies of the notes like past years did, as we now have moved into a paperless curriculum. However, saying that we have no resources, and must utilize wikipedia to answer our "learning objectives" is false. Most lectures have a pdf "handout" that you have access to that covers most of the material you are responsible for or presented in class. Wtih few exceptions (..pathology...grrrrr..) these handouts have been most useful, and I really only utilize the class google doc if I need clarification on something.

2. Most classes are optional. In fact, this week, only 2 lectures (out of like 14) are required or have points associated with them. Last week, there were 3. I'm not saying that all required classes are useful, or that class in general is amazing 100% of the time, but I know many people that skip ~80% of the time and are doing just fine. And if you do skip, most lectures are recorded (audio AND video), so you don't really miss anything.

3. Each week, we do have one or two patient "interviews" in class where a doctor introduces a disease/condition and then talks to the patient or other family members about how they are coping with their disease. Truthfully, I wouldn't count these as patient encounters, as they are more like lectures than anything else, but it does allow for some perspective on material you h ave covered that week. It shows that a disease is not just a paragraph in a textbook, but actually affects individuals.

However, one afternoon a week you have CPD ("clinical performance development" or something like that), where you learn the basics of performing in a clinical setting. As we are only 2 months into school, we haven't done suturing or anything like that, but we have learned to take BPs, apply tourniquets and splints, and the basics of a patient interview. It is in CPD where most of your patient contact will occur. In terms of patient contact, we have been in the hospital on 2 separate occasions to witness actual patients interviews, and have had 2 other opportunities to interview patients as students.

So, I would agree that the patient interviews in class aren't really patient contact, but in CPD we have already had much more contact with patients that I was expecting

4. In think what is being referred to here is our team-based learning (TBL) stuff. Essentially, once every few weeks, you and 5 other students are responsible for learning about some topic/process outside of class (and the material you are responsible for is made clear, i.e., you are given handouts to read) and then you answer "cases" about that material with your group in class. Most people I have talked to seem to like TBL, as your are working with "real" cases about material you have been presented with, and there is incentive to do your part, as you don't want to let your group down. I don't really have anything bad to say about TBLs, but I guess to each his own.

Just to repeat, I have enjoyed my time so far here. Obviously, the curriculum is not perfect, but I don't think it is perfect anywhere. As has been stated previously, we have students who's sole responsibility is to take our complaints and relay them to appropriate staff members, who are typically pretty receptive. Is there stuff I would change? Sure, but nothing is so bad that I wish I hadn't gone here. UVA is still a great school, and I have no regrets enrolling here.

TLDR; I like UVA, and do not regret enrolling here.
 
Any idea on when letters are sent out? I was kind of hoping they would send them out last Friday...
 
I won't commend on the specifics of the current first years' experiences, as I don't know how things have changed. However, one thing to point out is that the attendance policy of their current system - certain classes have points associated with attendance (which the system leaders argue doesn't mean those classes are required, but who wants to lose gimme points like that?) - is unique to that system alone.

Other systems just say certain classes are required or might have quizzes during class that count for credit. Over the course of the entire 18 months, the only sessions that are consistently required are patient interviews, TBLs, and small groups (where you're only with 8-9 people). In the 2nd years' current system, our patient interview today was the first required class - I have many friends who skipped every session of the first two weeks.

So yeah, again, I can't comment on the specifics of the revised first year. But system leaders' personalities and administrative styles have varied a lot throughout our ~8 units so far, giving each one a different 'feel' and pace.
 
A few quick replies.

I have few complaints with the paperless nature of the curriculum, and when we do have access to the houndouts, they have largely proven excellent. I simply wish we had them for all sections. Last week was great, this week - terrible. Some people may learn better looking everything up for themselves, but why punish those who like a clear outline and notes? I'm not pretendng that the handouts aren't there - they aren't. A list of questions isn't an explanation.

You confuse my frustration with the curriculum with a reluctance to do the readings prior to class. Hardly. I just find the curriculum an inefficient use of class time. If I have to master the material prior to class, what's the point of class? If the TBL's are a useful learning tool - don't make them graded. Student attendance will demonstrate their usefulnss. If no one goes, clearly it wasn't worth it. When I don't know the answer, and the rest of my group doesn't know, and we aren't allowed to look it up - I'm not learning. I'd rather hear a professor actually teach us.

I think too many people confuse "fun" with "learning". Sure, I have fun sitting around in a group talking about medicine. I actually enjoy the material. TBL days are relaxed and we laugh a lot. But it's not efficient and we don't learn much. It really is two hours with very low yield. I'm not paying to be entertained, I'm paying to learn. Some of this material is dense, dry and difficult. Sugar coating it with TBL faux play time doesn't help. I think by the time we get to med school we shold all be mature enough to handle simple rigorous classes.

In regards to the students charged with taking our complaints to the administration. They are only allowed to offer suggestions in keeping with the tenets of the NXGen curriculum. Those tenets are broken.

CPD serves a useful function, and I enjoy it. None of my comments were directed at it.

C-ville is a great town.

Other med schools aren't perfect, but they are much better.
 
Sorry, I wasn't implying that you don't want to prepare before class. I was just (not-very-clearly) pointing out that learning the material prior to class doesn't make the class a waste of time (for me, anyway). The more times I'm exposed to it in different formats, the more likely I am to retain it.

As for the handouts, I meant the PDFs that the profs prepare that contain almost all of the learning objectives. More often than not, those handouts/lecture notes are provided and they pretty much spoon-feed us the information. I'll admit I haven't looked at the stuff for this week past tomorrow, but reading one chapter doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. At least the learning objectives tell us what they expect us to know, instead of their just saying "read this chapter and learn it."

I really feel like the in-class grades are there for padding. The questions are usually pretty straightforward....but I guess they only help you out if you're someone who goes to class, which I am.
 
Is there a place to check online status?
 
I also go to class, which probably is part of my frustration. The traditonal lectures and materials really have been excellent. It's just too rare. I heard from the SMEC rep (the students who work on the curriculum) that the administration is specifically trying to minimize and eliminate the handouts and traditional classes. Why? UVA had a great reputation for academic preparation, both for clinical rotations and step 1. Why destroy that? Too many classes on team work and hugging. Not enough on actual medicine. A large reason I came to UVA was the experience of past students and their love of the old curriculum. I didn't think they would really change it this dramatically for the worse (in my opinion).
 
If it's the same as last year, ya'll just have to wait for the mail 😛
 
oh well i was just hoping for a quicker way than waiting for mail to get all the way over to seattle 🙂

You just have to bribe someone in the postal service to put a rush on it.
 
I also go to class, which probably is part of my frustration. The traditonal lectures and materials really have been excellent. It's just too rare. I heard from the SMEC rep (the students who work on the curriculum) that the administration is specifically trying to minimize and eliminate the handouts and traditional classes. Why? UVA had a great reputation for academic preparation, both for clinical rotations and step 1. Why destroy that? Too many classes on team work and hugging. Not enough on actual medicine. A large reason I came to UVA was the experience of past students and their love of the old curriculum. I didn't think they would really change it this dramatically for the worse (in my opinion).

As one of the SMEC reps, quite possibly the one being quoted, I feel I must interject. First of all, to the pre-meds, SMEC Rep is student medical education committee representative. Every class elects two of them and they funnel the likes/dislikes of the students to the faculty committee that can do something about it.

I have had this discussion with many people and I may have said something in error. I won't tell you you heard me wrong, but if that's what I said, I apologize, I misspoke. The point I was trying to make is that the school is trying to take as much of the rote learning and have students do that at home in preparation for a class where supplementary, higher level explanations can be given and understanding can be honed in "active learning" activities. That is the reason we have only 4h of class a day (except for one day a week where you learn practical stuff with a physician mentor).

To you pre-meds, I hear you ask what are these active learning activities? These are small group, pair, or individual activities to get you to apply the material. Love them or hate them, to be an accredited medical school, you have to start incorporating them by 2014. UVA is just ahead of the curve and, by some estimates, we are making the transition more gracefully than other schools taking the plunge.

Back to my point, no one is getting rid of the handouts. The administration would like to see more of them and encourages professors to make them. What they would like to see less of are classes that consist of just a lecturer talking at you for hours. That kind of thing can be learned at home from reading handouts (made by the professors to give you a personalized, efficient source), textbooks (mostly for free online thanks to the school), or podcasts (which you can view at 2x speed...). All of which we regularly receive btw. Replacing these rote learning sessions is an ongoing task and will take years but it has begun. smd96319, come talk to one of the SMEC reps, Dr. Noramly or your college dean. Personally, I really struggled with some of the early material and met with Dr. Noramly about it. I never mastered biochem, but she offered me some helpful strategies for getting through it. For better or worse, this is the school we chose, so I hope you get in touch and we can work something out so you can be happy here.

To you pre-meds again, if you are interested in UVA, hopefully you will come interview here. Talk to as many people as possible. Especially the current 1st years since our curriculum will be the closest to yours.

I have found that the majority here are happy and have found the curriculum to be exactly as it was described to them on the website and during the interview visit. The faculty are extremely personable, there are a gajillion ways to voice suggestions (which I have seen get implemented in a week) and the pass/fail system means everyone's got your back. Students are involved in dozens of things outside of class (marching band, hiking, the massive charity flag football game between 1st and 2nd years), we see patients every week, we get 10wks off for summer, and somehow you're still done with pre-clinicals after 18mo instead of the usual 24mo. I absolutely love it.
 
Thank you for the clarification.

I for one, as an applicant, was beginning to think that this curriculum may not be the best decision. But as you very carefully explained, it seems, that traditional lectures CAN and possibly SHOULD be taken care of independently. I find it rather shocking that so many students posting above are so offended that they actually have to take care of much of the learning at home by themselves! How can this be surprising when one is in medical school???

although I still have qualms about this curriculum, I believe it is setting up UVA for a hopefully better way to teach students the most important aspects of being a doctor.

that's just my 0.02$
 
I heard from the SMEC rep (the students who work on the curriculum) that the administration is specifically trying to minimize and eliminate the handouts and traditional classes. Why? UVA had a great reputation for academic preparation, both for clinical rotations and step 1. Why destroy that? Too many classes on team work and hugging. Not enough on actual medicine.
From talking to various individuals in the administration, there are two reasons:

1) research shows the active learning style to be more effective (as I've never read these papers myself, I can't discuss this specifically - our 2nd year SMEC reps seem to know the details).
2) They apparently have to make changes. National curriculum standards have been revamped so that schools must change their curriculum styles to fit new guidelines/goals. Dean DeKosky said plans have to be put in motion by 2014 or schools risk losing accreditation. UVA wanted to start changes earlier, instead of waiting until right before the deadline (again, not entirely sure of the exact specifics of this - your SMEC reps might know better).

A large reason I came to UVA was the experience of past students and their love of the old curriculum. I didn't think they would really change it this dramatically for the worse (in my opinion).
Considering the average attendance of lectures in the old curriculum was ~20-25 people, I'm not sure why you would have thought NxGen would be similar.

The old curriculum also taught all of anatomy at once, months before any of the organ systems. They learned all of pharm at once, at the very end. Their exams for every subject were intensely scheduled in two week blocks. Aside from the availability of handouts (I've already admitted that these should be given for everything), I can't say that the old curriculum sounded very appealing.

EDIT: Aaaaand it looks like I should've scrolled down more in the thread. Whoops.
Someone in your class is in marching band?!?! I thought one of my classmates working weekend shifts as a nurse was impressive, but wow...
 
I just find the curriculum an inefficient use of class time. If I have to master the material prior to class, what's the point of class? If the TBL's are a useful learning tool - don't make them graded. Student attendance will demonstrate their usefulnss. If no one goes, clearly it wasn't worth it. When I don't know the answer, and the rest of my group doesn't know, and we aren't allowed to look it up - I'm not learning. I'd rather hear a professor actually teach us.

TBLs are not intended to teach you anything. They're meant as application exercises. But you have to know the basics beforehand, hence the quiz at the beginning. They used to be 4 hours long. People in our class complained, and they got pared down to MUCH more manageable 2 hour sessions.

Don't believe you need application? What do you think Step 1 is all about? Clinic? The whole point of the curriculum (according to our past system leader) is to ease the transition from pre-clerkship to clerkship, and in the process it makes the transition from undergrad to medical school a little more difficult.

The old curriculum also taught all of anatomy at once, months before any of the organ systems. They learned all of pharm at once, at the very end. Their exams for every subject were intensely scheduled in two week blocks. Aside from the availability of handouts (I've already admitted that these should be given for everything), I can't say that the old curriculum sounded very appealing.

I agree with this. My decision for medical school was to go to a school that had class 8 hours a day, and was still on a very traditional curriculum with A-F grading. Or, UVA, which has 4 hours of class a day, is systems based, and has P/F grading for the first two and fourth years.

UVA isn't for everyone, and I'm not going to pretend it is. If you're the type that likes everything taught to you, you're better off somewhere else. If you're the type that never wants to come to class, this might not be a good fit for you either. There are some people in my class who clearly wish that they had gone somewhere else. But the way I see it, the pre-clerkship curriculum is only 18 months. Steeler alluded to this earlier... even if you're not fond of the way things are done, you're still going to learn the material, and then you get an extra 6 months on the wards compared to other schools. If you don't want to go into one of the core specialties, you have time to explore some others before applying to residency. Everyone I've talked to says it gets better after you're out of the classroom and onto the wards, and few schools get you onto the wards as quickly as UVA does.
 
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you get an extra 6 months on the wards compared to other schools. If you don't want to go into one of the core specialties, you have time to explore some others before applying to residency. Everyone I've talked to says it gets better after you're out of the classroom and onto the wards, and few schools get you onto the wards as quickly as UVA does.

I'm a non-trad student, and generally wish we had a more traditional curriculum. But I agree it is hard to beat finishing the basic academics and getting into a clinical setting early.

Shout out to SMEC Jeremiah! (Thanks for listening to my past inputs/complaints about the curriculum)

And to the applicant shocked about the independent learning. I don't think people are surprised by the requirement to study on their own. Personally, I would want a little more official teaching, which would then be supplemented by individual study. Again, I also prefer more traditional learning, so your preferences probably vary. I don't think anyone expected to be spoon fed.
 
Shout out to Jeremiah.

To you pre-med applicants: Please understand that the majority of our SMD 15 class is pretty chill about everything. It's really not that bad, and I find the support from classmates and faculty to be great.

I went to UVA because it seemed like a great place (and my interview was awesome). As a current first year, I would not have made different choice.
 
Thank you for the clarification.

I for one, as an applicant, was beginning to think that this curriculum may not be the best decision. But as you very carefully explained, it seems, that traditional lectures CAN and possibly SHOULD be taken care of independently. I find it rather shocking that so many students posting above are so offended that they actually have to take care of much of the learning at home by themselves! How can this be surprising when one is in medical school???

although I still have qualms about this curriculum, I believe it is setting up UVA for a hopefully better way to teach students the most important aspects of being a doctor.

that's just my 0.02$


From what I've heard (which is limited) all schools will be instituting some kind of curriculum reform to include small groups, a longitudinal basic sciences and anatomy element, and PBL in order to satisfy the changing accreditation requirements coming in 2014.

In short, it sounds like you should blame the government's changing standards on medical education if you miss the traditional block lecture format.

It's easy to point fingers and blame, but there are usually reasons that educational bodies do things. The far easier and often default course is to do what has worked in the past and not change. In this case, the reason is that the LCME has decided it's time to shake things up with changing accreditation standards and changing STEP 1 exams. I'm sure there are pseudo-scientific papers out there pointing towards one method of learning being better than another, but to be honest these kind of decisions are mostly political in nature. "Change" is how administrators build or bust their careers. It seems to me (albeit I've only been to grad school, not med school) that what you put into your medical education far outweighs what the school puts in regardless of curriculum.

This is part of life folks. It sounds like UVA is supportive of feedback which is much better than the alternative.

Here's hoping for an acceptance this week! 🙂
 
I think that you may be overestimating the old format by failing to consider how mind-numbing and low yield it is to sit through four hours of lecture a day where professors literally just flipped through 60+ slides of straight facts. You can only take so much of that in medical school before your minds starts to wander and you get exhausted. That's why very few people ever went to class in the past. The problem sets force you to apply information to clinical vignettes and to think about what's being taught in the same way that they ask about it on Step 1.

Talking through those questions and justifying why you consider your answer to be correct based on the patient's presentation will stick with you far longer than a professor reciting the same topic to you for twenty seconds, two hours and thirty five minutes into a morning of lectures ever could. For a number of problem sets, they even have instant feedback built in in order to let your group of three immediately know if your explanation was correct before moving on to the next question.

Also, last week was excellent, this week is terrible? Yesterday was Monday.

One final, unrelated thing. UVA is one of the few schools with an integrated curriculum that also integrates pathology throughout the entire pre-clincial curriculum. I didn't realize the importance of this until I visited someone at another 'integrated' school where they put pathology off until second year. Having pathology along with the normal physiology, anatomy and histology gives you much better context as to 'why' you're learning what you're learning by showing you all of the things that can go wrong with the normal processes. For me, this makes the 'normal' information much more clinically significant than just accepting that what I'm learning will eventually have some utility.
 
Agree 100% with this post. I have just interviewed at another school where the curriculum is changing starting next year to be similar to NextGen. It's the push by LCME to all schools to make the change. I think we all know studies can show different results depending on who is funding them and who is publishing them, and every so often people whose job relies on making things happen will try to stir up the pot to show "progress." Having worked a couple years, it has been my personal experience that every new boss comes in to make "improvements," for the sake of making a mark and justifying their own existences, while the results of those "improvements" are often times inconsequential or superficial. So as Sam500 said, it really doesn't matter what they call the curriculum. At the end of the day, you study the material yourself and do board prep. What you score on Step 1 is mostly how hard you study, not how the curriculum is set up. Just my 2 cents.

From what I've heard (which is limited) all schools will be instituting some kind of curriculum reform to include small groups, a longitudinal basic sciences and anatomy element, and PBL in order to satisfy the changing accreditation requirements coming in 2014.

In short, it sounds like you should blame the government's changing standards on medical education if you miss the traditional block lecture format.

It's easy to point fingers and blame, but there are usually reasons that educational bodies do things. The far easier and often default course is to do what has worked in the past and not change. In this case, the reason is that the LCME has decided it's time to shake things up with changing accreditation standards and changing STEP 1 exams. I'm sure there are pseudo-scientific papers out there pointing towards one method of learning being better than another, but to be honest these kind of decisions are mostly political in nature. "Change" is how administrators build or bust their careers. It seems to me (albeit I've only been to grad school, not med school) that what you put into your medical education far outweighs what the school puts in regardless of curriculum.

This is part of life folks. It sounds like UVA is supportive of feedback which is much better than the alternative.

Here's hoping for an acceptance this week! 🙂
 
ACCEPTED!!!!!! UVA 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the above debate is not enough to dampen my ridiculous amount of excitement!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ACCEPTED!!!!!! UVA 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the above debate is not enough to dampen my ridiculous amount of excitement!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats! Super awesome! When did you interview? Do you live near Virginia? My letter didn't arrive today.
 
Congrats! Super awesome! When did you interview? Do you live near Virginia? My letter didn't arrive today.

Same, and I'm 90 minutes from Charlottesville. I called the office and Louise said that they were sent out on Monday, so we're just waiting on the snail mail.
 
Thanks guys!!! Yup I'm in-state - from Richmond - but I'm in school out of state so I've been making my sister check like every hour to see if the mail had arrived since she got home from school at like 3 haha. Oh and I interviewed on 9/29.
 
Congratulations! Also I think both you and Snuke interviewed with me on 9/29 🙂
 
out of state acceptance 😀 first one for me
 
Congrats to all those that have gotten in!

I need my parents to get home and check the mail.
 
Congrats to everyone receiving their acceptances today!!

No mail for me today in the Midwest. 🙁
 
Waitlisted.
So incredibly, incredibly disheartening. My interviews went splendidly.
I'm so tired of fighting, but looks like I'll have to keep it up until June (they don't go to the alternative list until after May 15th).
 
Apparently the mail hasn't made it to NC yet. Or at least where I live in NC.

Come on USPS, you're killing me.
 
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Accepted! Letter received in Washington D.C today
 
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