2012-2013 Ohio State University Application Thread

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I would like to know what this said as well. SDN is full of insider information that is one reason why people go on it, especially for confusing questions like this. Could someone at least summarize in general what this question is supposed to mean? One person earlier said they were looking for real world applicability instead of just the concept? what does this mean...
 
I thought he said it was school approved? Maybe I imagined that. And I can provide proof of my submission if he needs it lol, but its not THAT big a deal to me. I have no idea how the information would benefit me since I didn't see what it was all pertaining to. If anything, though, a better understanding of the social justice prompt would allow me to know whether an ADCOM is going to read mine with approval or head-scratching.
 
pretty ridiculous that one of the few posts that will help applicants was demanded to be removed. a guy talked to admissions about why they asked a certain question on the secondary....why in the world would we NOT be sharing that on sdn?
 
haha nevermind, I found it. google catche, it is rather informative, pm if you want it
 
alerk323 said:
haha nevermind, I found it. google catche, it is rather informative, pm if you want it
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just post it. i read it earlier and have already submitted my application. whoever demanded it be taken down because it's "unfair" is infringing upon our first amendment rights. i will start a petition and fight this to the death. my grandma already said she'd sign, and my brother will too if i buy him a big mac -- at first he wanted a whole meal, but i talked him down. i'm smooth like that.
 
espagueti said:
pretty ridiculous that one of the few posts that will help applicants was demanded to be removed. a guy talked to admissions about why they asked a certain question on the secondary....why in the world would we NOT be sharing that on sdn?
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There are certain aspects of this process that give advantages we cannot control such as knowing an adcom, being a legacy, URM status, etc. I dont see the problem with people speculating about the essay and helping each other, but do you really think it is fair that everyone would change their essay to the correct answer? There are people who already submitted and people not on SDN who do not have that luxury. It would be one thing if the student gave us guidance on how to approach the question or a better understanding of the prompt, but it was not that. It was THE answer...the exact answer adcoms are looking for. If you don't see the problem with this then I can't help you. I told the student he/she can do whatever he/she want with the post since he/she is grown and then it was taken down...not my decision, but the right one nonetheless.
 
DCSB6 said:
I thought he said it was school approved? Maybe I imagined that. And I can provide proof of my submission if he needs it lol, but its not THAT big a deal to me. I have no idea how the information would benefit me since I didn't see what it was all pertaining to. If anything, though, a better understanding of the social justice prompt would allow me to know whether an ADCOM is going to read mine with approval or head-scratching.
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I agree that if you already submitted it's fine. Just like me, it was reassuring to know my values align with what they are looking for in a student. But for the others who dont see the issue, there is a difference between your values aligning with the school's desires in an applicant and regurgitating BS because you know the answer even though it does not reflect who you truly are. I am not saying this is you, because you may be exactly what they are looking for, but there are plenty of other people out there who do not connect with those values but will say they do.
 
weezynation said:
There are certain aspects of this process that give advantages we cannot control such as knowing an adcom, being a legacy, URM status, etc. I dont see the problem with people speculating about the essay and helping each other, but do you really think it is fair that everyone would change their essay to the correct answer? There are people who already submitted and people not on SDN who do not have that luxury. It would be one thing if the student gave us guidance on how to approach the question or a better understanding of the prompt, but it was not that. It was THE answer...the exact answer adcoms are looking for. If you don't see the problem with this then I can't help you. I told the student he/she can do whatever he/she want with the post since he/she is grown and then it was taken down...not my decision, but the right one nonetheless.
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no, he did not give THE answer. THE answer comes from personal experiences proving your understanding of other cultures/struggles. he gave us guidance on how to answer -- show you have an awareness that not everyone lives like you. it wasn't anything profound.

you said it was reassuring for you to "know" you'd answered it correctly, but you don't think others deserve the same. stop acting so noble.
 
This is seriously just sad (and petty).

What Bender Offender said was nothing new or profound, nor "the answer." It was literally what every person applying to medical school should know and if you can't glean what Bender Offender said from the question then I have no idea how you passed verbal reasoning on the MCAT. (dead serious)

The bottom line is to talk about your experiences as the adcoms could probably care less if you could write a philosophy paper on the differences, they want to see that you personally understand social justice, have some experience with it, and that you have advocated for it.

K guys, lets move on now 🙄
 
espagueti said:
no, he did not give THE answer. THE answer comes from personal experiences proving your understanding of other cultures/struggles. he gave us guidance on how to answer -- show you have an awareness that not everyone lives like you. it wasn't anything profound.

you said it was reassuring for you to "know" you'd answered it correctly, but you don't think others deserve the same. stop acting so noble.
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Haha i'm not acting noble. There is a difference between feeling reassurance after submission and getting the answer before submission. I already submitted last week. It's like asking your professor the answer to a question after an exam and you realize you got it correct so it is reassuring vs. asking the professor for the answer during the test and using that information to mark the correct answer/changing your incorrect answer to the correct one. You say it's not THE answer and that someone has to have personal experiences to back it up. We're talking about neurotic pre-meds trying to get into a difficult field and would do just about anything to get into ANY school. Do you really think a lack of experience is going to keep someone from crafting an essay that displays that they do have this experience? Are they just going to withdraw their application because they don't have the experience to answer the question? Come on, let's be real. Anyways, its over, if people see it they do, if they don't they don't. I won't be discussing it any further and we can agree to disagree. Good luck.
 
Thanks to both of you^

I submitted my secondary yesterday morning. Because of the quick turnaround, I am not sure if they even read it yet. (I'll let everyone else debate this, haha). It may be that my strong primary/stats (4.0/40) ensured me an interview.

I used to live in Ohio for a short time but am an OOS applicant. Good luck to everyone!
 
Interview invite!

OOS, but used to live in Ohio
Secondary in - 7/13
Stats - 3.7/34
 
Thanks- I got an email saying I had a status change, and to log onto the webpage. The first thing I thought after seeing this- Did I get rejected already?
 
Smasher said:
Thanks to both of you^

I submitted my secondary yesterday morning. Because of the quick turnaround, I am not sure if they even read it yet. (I'll let everyone else debate this, haha). It may be that my strong primary/stats (4.0/40) ensured me an interview.

I used to live in Ohio for a short time but am an OOS applicant. Good luck to everyone!
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Knowing that I have to compete with people like you makes me lose all hope lmao. Congrats on the interview invite dude, you definitely deserve it!
 
Interview invite for sept 10. Submitted secondary 7/13.
 
My status page right now says "AMCAS Application Received". Is this what you have before you get an II? Or do you need to move to a "complete" stage? Thx guys.
 
tiedyeddog said:
The only cultural experiences you have are related to other students in your school?

How about populations that you share hardly anything in common with? Maybe tutoring kids in poor neighborhoods or working with migrant latino workers? I mean, if you go work in a predominantly african american neighborhood in a lower socioeconomic part of town you'll see more than a majority of families that consist of mainly grandparents or even just single moms working two or more jobs with no father figures, in which kids are dependent on state services. You can bet their value systems concerning education and health are far different from your average indian, asian, or caucasian family made of your prototypical two parents and two kids in a nice little suburb. You're going to have to relate to ALL of these people in the clinic. You need to somehow show adcoms you can do that successfully.
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I think this is a valid argument based on last year's prompts, but this year specifically asks for collaboration/teamwork. I did not interpret that as doing things FOR people who are different than you (teaching, volunteering, etc). It sounds like they want to see how well you work on a diverse team.

Clichebomb said:
Having read your initial message from the adcom, I'm just going to say that flat out, the way the prompt was written did not point me as an applicant in the right direction. I read it over and over, and had a lot of my friends, including some philosophy majors, and no one came to the conclusion of what the adcom is looking for. It read it as, "what is the CONCEPT of social justice", versus what I guess they intended which was what are real world implications. I think it would have been a great secondary prompt if it was written more clearly and I would have had a great time writing it!
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espagueti said:
THE answer comes from personal experiences proving your understanding of other cultures/struggles. he gave us guidance on how to answer -- show you have an awareness that not everyone lives like you. it wasn't anything profound.
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DAPI said:
The bottom line is to talk about your experiences as the adcoms could probably care less if you could write a philosophy paper on the differences, they want to see that you personally understand social justice, have some experience with it, and that you have advocated for it.
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Huh. I didn't see the post, but I can garner from these that I did not remotely answer it correctly. That does not mean I cannot answer the question or that I don't have experience in that department. I also had others read it, and no one (myself included) could figure out the gist. I went out on a limb and discussed advocacy and what my future plans are on that front. Disappointing to find out they are looking for something unstated. I submitted it quite unclear on that front.
 
Just got this email...

The current secondary application to the Ohio State University College of Medicine contains a question about social justice that was unfortunately worded in a way that is confusing. This was a proofreading error on our part. We will be updating the application for this cycle, and this question will not appear on the newer secondary application.

If you have already submitted your secondary application and answered this question, do not worry. This question will not be evaluated. We apologize sincerely for the inconvenience.
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I didn't get the email for some reason (though I have the secondary).
 
Pretty crazy news... I don't imagine questions get disregarded like this often.

Too bad, I wrote a really good philosophical essay too (i.e. the wrong way to answer). 😀
 
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Ughhhhhhhh I just spent a pretty long time writing that essay. Was pretty happy with it too. Oh well.
 
Wow, I wonder how many times an essay question is thrown out? Honestly, I'm really glad it was though. I had no idea where to start and was thinking of not completing the secondary. Sorry to anyone who spent time thinking of a good answer🙁
 
Hey is anyone having any problems logging into the secondary?? I get this error message:

"Navigation Collection not found

The Navigation Collection you have specified cannot be found. There are two possible causes for this error: 1) the Navigation Collection specified is invalid or no longer exist, or 2) you do not have access to this Navigation Collection. Contact your portal administrator."
 
tonguetalker said:
Hey is anyone having any problems logging into the secondary?? I get this error message:

"Navigation Collection not found

The Navigation Collection you have specified cannot be found. There are two possible causes for this error: 1) the Navigation Collection specified is invalid or no longer exist, or 2) you do not have access to this Navigation Collection. Contact your portal administrator."
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Yes. Almost certain that it has to do with the fact that they're reconfiguring their website to take out the one essay question.
 
About how long were everyone's essays? Right now mine are about 300-350.
 
lmao I'm so glad I put off doing this secondary 🙂 I was dreading that social justice question but now I feel slightly more comfortable with this secondary. yay
 
typicalindian said:
lmao I'm so glad I put off doing this secondary 🙂 I was dreading that social justice question but now I feel slightly more comfortable with this secondary. yay
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👍

I feel the same way.
 
Interesting, well as it's no longer an issue, here's the answer that people were trying to keep from sdn.

From the bender guy:

I'm entering Ohio State as a Med 1 this August. I was intrigued by this question (as it wasn't a question for us last year), so I went and talked to the admissions committee people about why they choose it and what the purpose of the question was.

Basically, there are a few applicants (you would be surprised) that don't really understand the problems of the world beyond their daily issues. They don't know about starvation, epidemics, or water shortages, let alone relatively 'minor' inconveniences such as poverty, lack of living space, and lack of education. There's another category of people that understand that these problems exist, yet refuse to acknowledge that it's their responsibility and duty to do something about it. After that, there's a group of individuals that understand these problems and understand that something must be done about them, but haven't yet done anything themselves. Lastly, there's a few people out there that may or may not have actually faced this issues themselves, but definitely have a in-depth understanding of the afflictions of poverty and the social injustice associated with having been born into a much poorer situation than the people (such as us) that live life in great comfort in developed countries. This last group has also done something, anything, to shift the balance, from sending food packages to other countries to volunteering their time to help create a better living situation for impoverished people, and so on.

You need to show that you're in the last group. You need to be able to articulate the fact that you understand that life isn't the same for a whole lot (and I mean a WHOLE lot) of other people in this world, and, more importantly, that you, in your condition as spoiled residents of the world's richest country (that's what we are) have done something about it. Because face it, even an incredibly busy undergraduate (which is what I assume most of you are applying from) still means that you have much more free time than the average medical student or resident; and, if you haven't done anything to show that you're committed to helping other people in your free time as an undergrad, you're not going to be able to suddenly start when you're much busier with other things in your life.

Hope this helps, and best of luck to all of you. Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'm sure you'll all make fantastic physicians one day!
 
This seems like an incredibly silly question, but where are the secondary questions located?! I don't know if my secondary website isn't working or something, but I can't find the questions.

I logged into the buckeyelink website, clicked "Medicine" in the supplemental applications section and see a welcome message, but don't see an actual app anywhere.
 
Hmmm... My secondary still has the social justice question 😕
 
DAPI said:
Hmmm... My secondary still has the social justice question 😕
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I still see it too. I'm still going to fill it out and submit it, I have a few things to say about the topic...
 
I had already spent quite a bit of time writing that beastly essay before the controversy so I went ahead and submitted it with the essay too.

Gahhhhh
 
I still haven't gotten the email, and my secondary still has the question. It's pretty crazy that they made a big decision like this yet continue to let people work on it (those who haven't seen this thread). Have others gotten that email?
 
Does anyone not have the social justice question in their secondary?
 
did not receive email and still have social justice question as well
 
TheWeeIceMan said:
Same here. I think we've been trolled.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, but two people posted about it at the exact same time yesterday. Seems strange that two "reputable" members of SDN would troll us on this.

Anyone want to volunteer to call the admissions office on Monday?
 
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