2013-2014 Albert Einstein Application Thread

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zebalong said:
The core clerkships at Einstein are really strong and will prepare you well for any specialty you choose, the curriculum has NO impact on what specialty you can match into. The clerkships are not made to be focused on primary care at all. For example your 11 weeks of medicine are all inpatient (hospital based) and subspecialty rotations. The curriculum is designed to make you the strongest graduate possible, and I would honestly say we are about average in term of people wanting to do primary care (which isn't much). After talking to other medical students during residency interview our 4th year is one of the most flexible 4th years of all schools and will allow you as much elective time in a specialty of your choice as you want. I am not doing primary care and am confident I could have chosen any specialty I wanted to go into.
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Zebalong covered it really well. Einstein gives you a solid 3rd and 4th year - with plenty of opportunity to match into specialty you want!

And in general, Einstein has a great match. Feel free to check out the 2012 and 2013 match results:

http://www.einstein.yu.edu/education/md-program/admissions/match-results-2012.aspx
https://www.einstein.yu.edu/education/md-program/admissions/match-results-2013.aspx
 
Ramo711 said:
Thanks for posting guys. I like the quick turnaround. The results, less so.
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Yeah.. based on the SDN sample, there were no acceptances since the initial January 15th release date. It seems like interviews are at most for the HPWL spots.
 
SDN sample is skewed. Last cycle Einstein had over 8000 applicants. How many posters here, like 50?
 
ekdoctobe said:
SDN sample is skewed. Last cycle Einstein had over 8000 applicants. How many posters here, like 50?
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I somehow think that you can't use SDN forum posters as an adequate sample size to make any judgements haha
 
bloodyhell said:
I somehow think that you can't use SDN forum posters as an adequate sample size to make any judgements haha
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Agreed. But just because sample is small, it doesn't mean it's skewed. I just noted what I saw on this forum 🙂
 
Agnieszka020 said:
Agreed. But just because sample is small, it doesn't mean it's skewed. I just noted what I saw on this forum 🙂
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Fair point. Statistically, skewed is the wrong word. "Too small a sample to provide meaningful data" would have been a better way to phrase it. Waitaminute, why am I even still on this thread? LMAO glutton for punishment is all I can figure.

Good luck, all
 
zebalong said:
The core clerkships at Einstein are really strong and will prepare you well for any specialty you choose, the curriculum has NO impact on what specialty you can match into. The clerkships are not made to be focused on primary care at all. For example your 11 weeks of medicine are all inpatient (hospital based) and subspecialty rotations. The curriculum is designed to make you the strongest graduate possible, and I would honestly say we are about average in term of people wanting to do primary care (which isn't much). After talking to other medical students during residency interview our 4th year is one of the most flexible 4th years of all schools and will allow you as much elective time in a specialty of your choice as you want. I am not doing primary care and am confident I could have chosen any specialty I wanted to go into.
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bloodyhell said:
Zebalong covered it really well. Einstein gives you a solid 3rd and 4th year - with plenty of opportunity to match into specialty you want!

And in general, Einstein has a great match. Feel free to check out the 2012 and 2013 match results:

http://www.einstein.yu.edu/education/md-program/admissions/match-results-2012.aspx
https://www.einstein.yu.edu/education/md-program/admissions/match-results-2013.aspx
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Thanks for answering! I guess I was just concerned because I see most other schools spend less time on these rotations, but have other required clerkships in specialized fields. At the same time I do notice that there's a huge amount I elective time in 4th year, so I guess you can basically pick whatever field you're interested in and get more exposure then.
 
cyberchicken001 said:
Thanks for answering! I guess I was just concerned because I see most other schools spend less time on these rotations, but have other required clerkships in specialized fields. At the same time I do notice that there's a huge amount I elective time in 4th year, so I guess you can basically pick whatever field you're interested in and get more exposure then.
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You can plenty of exposure pre-4th year as well. Very easy - you meet different physicians at something called "In the doctor's studio" and during career nights dedicated to different specialties.
 
What does this mean?

"A $100 deposit to hold your place in the class is due by April 1 and is refundable until June 1. We suggest that for your protection, you remit your deposit return receipt requested and send it to the Office of Admissions"
 
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gogo2disco said:
What does this mean?

"A $100 deposit to hold your place in the class is due by April 1 and is refundable until June 1. We suggest that for your protection, you remit your deposit return receipt requested and send it to the Office of Admissions"
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It just means to mail the deposit to them with return receipt requested. You can go to the post office and ask them to send it with return receipt requested.
 
Pandaeac said:
It just means to mail the deposit to them with return receipt requested. You can go to the post office and ask them to send it with return receipt requested.
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I just mailed my deposit out yesterday and the line at the post office was sooo long, I just mailed it without the return receipt request.... I'll let everyone know whether or not that was a good idea 😱

Update: they send you an email confirmation when they receive you deposit 🙂
 
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cyberchicken001 said:
I just mailed my deposit out yesterday and the line at the post office was sooo long, I just mailed it without the return receipt request.... I'll let everyone know whether or not that was a good idea 😱

#imsoneurotic
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Just call admissions in a week or so and ask if they got it, no biggie.
 
I'd like to thank all the current students on this thread for answering all of our questions - you guys are great!

Another question for you guys, if you don't mind me asking:

I've been fortunate enough to have been accepted to a number of schools, and by now I've basically narrowed it down to Einstein and 2 of my state schools which are about 15K cheaper per year. If not for the significant cost difference I would choose Einstein in a heartbeat, but 15K is nothing to sneeze at, and since I will be taking out loans, this larger debt concerns me. My question is, what made you guys decide that Einstein is the right place for you, even though it's more expensive than state schools? (I realize this question could be asked about any private school vs. state school, but since Einstein is the only private school I would attend, I'm asking it here.) I understand that this is a really personal decision, so I just want to know what made you choose Einstein despite the price tag.

Thanks! 🙂
 
cyberchicken001 said:
I'd like to thank all the current students on this thread for answering all of our questions - you guys are great!

Another question for you guys, if you don't mind me asking:

I've been fortunate enough to have been accepted to a number of schools, and by now I've basically narrowed it down to Einstein and 2 of my state schools which are about 15K cheaper per year. If not for the significant cost difference I would choose Einstein in a heartbeat, but 15K is nothing to sneeze at, and since I will be taking out loans, this larger debt concerns me. My question is, what made you guys decide that Einstein is the right place for you, even though it's more expensive than state schools? (I realize this question could be asked about any private school vs. state school, but since Einstein is the only private school I would attend, I'm asking it here.) I understand that this is a really personal decision, so I just want to know what made you choose Einstein despite the price tag.

Thanks! 🙂
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What state schools are you looking at and will your parents be helping you pay?
 
mysmith said:
What state schools are you looking at and will your parents be helping you pay?
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I'm paying for tuition on my own, but my parents are covering cost of living expenses.

And the state schools are Downstate and Stony Brook.....
 
cyberchicken001 said:
I'm paying for tuition on my own, but my parents are covering cost of living expenses.

And the state schools are Downstate and Stony Brook.....
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You need to factor in a lot more than just the actual price of tuition.

In no particular order, here are some other things to consider:

Location - do you care about where you live? Stonybrook for example, is pretty far removed from anything - whereas staying somewhere like brooklyn or bronx is a lot closer to active areas like the city. So that is something you should consider - you want to be able to easily get out every so often - and from Einstein, its a express bus into the city, 35-40 minutes.

Also - housing. For example - Einstein housing is extremely cheap - a single person pays ~$400 monthly. Compare that to other schools, and the savings add up.
I personally could have gone to Stonybrook or Downstate (accepted to both as well, but also a bunch of other private schools as well) but I chose Einstein (for numerous reasons) - but that being said, realize that the cost of living in Brooklyn (for Downstate) could be around 10k more a year! (higher rents and commute costs) - so if you factor that towards the tuition, it narrows dramatically. So although you may be covering tuition, and parents covering living expenses - discuss it with them, and maybe they will cover some tuition if you end up going somewhere where the living expenses are cheaper.

In general - I don't think choosing a school solely based on tuition cost is the best game plan. You should evaluate where you think you will be happiest, and which school has the best fit for you. (such as social setting, location, educational format, etc) Also, you need to consider the clinical aspects and research aspects of each school, as well as which will give you the best chances of success of getting into the field of your choice (i.e. matching for residencies)

I can't talk as much about Stonybrook and Downstate, but I will say that the clinical affiliations that Einstein has are quite vast, and you have the ability to be exposed to many great hospitals and clinics, which other schools may not be able to offer to the same degree. Also, Einstein is a massive research center - between all the research being done at Einstein and all of its affiliate, there are countless projects for you to get involved in - I myself got involved with 4 different great projects over the course of 1 year.

In addition, Einstein is located in the Bronx, giving you the ability to work with a unique population base - which gives you an amazing learning opportunity, which you may not have such as somewhere located like Stonybrook.

Personally, I chose Einstein for all the reasons listed above, plus some other personal reasons which I can go into via PM. But not to disparage any other schools, but I honestly do think Einstein overall is a better school compared to your other 2 choices.
I know tuition can be a massive issue, but dont let be the sole issue that drives your choice! Figure out all the pro's and con's, as well as the additional costs which add up for other schools (housing, commuting, etc)
 
bloodyhell said:
You need to factor in a lot more than just the actual price of tuition.

In no particular order, here are some other things to consider:

Location - do you care about where you live? Stonybrook for example, is pretty far removed from anything - whereas staying somewhere like brooklyn or bronx is a lot closer to active areas like the city. So that is something you should consider - you want to be able to easily get out every so often - and from Einstein, its a express bus into the city, 35-40 minutes.

Also - housing. For example - Einstein housing is extremely cheap - a single person pays ~$400 monthly. Compare that to other schools, and the savings add up.
I personally could have gone to Stonybrook or Downstate (accepted to both as well, but also a bunch of other private schools as well) but I chose Einstein (for numerous reasons) - but that being said, realize that the cost of living in Brooklyn (for Downstate) could be around 10k more a year! (higher rents and commute costs) - so if you factor that towards the tuition, it narrows dramatically. So although you may be covering tuition, and parents covering living expenses - discuss it with them, and maybe they will cover some tuition if you end up going somewhere where the living expenses are cheaper.

In general - I don't think choosing a school solely based on tuition cost is the best game plan. You should evaluate where you think you will be happiest, and which school has the best fit for you. (such as social setting, location, educational format, etc) Also, you need to consider the clinical aspects and research aspects of each school, as well as which will give you the best chances of success of getting into the field of your choice (i.e. matching for residencies)

I can't talk as much about Stonybrook and Downstate, but I will say that the clinical affiliations that Einstein has are quite vast, and you have the ability to be exposed to many great hospitals and clinics, which other schools may not be able to offer to the same degree. Also, Einstein is a massive research center - between all the research being done at Einstein and all of its affiliate, there are countless projects for you to get involved in - I myself got involved with 4 different great projects over the course of 1 year.

In addition, Einstein is located in the Bronx, giving you the ability to work with a unique population base - which gives you an amazing learning opportunity, which you may not have such as somewhere located like Stonybrook.

Personally, I chose Einstein for all the reasons listed above, plus some other personal reasons which I can go into via PM. But not to disparage any other schools, but I honestly do think Einstein overall is a better school compared to your other 2 choices.
I know tuition can be a massive issue, but dont let be the sole issue that drives your choice! Figure out all the pro's and con's, as well as the additional costs which add up for other schools (housing, commuting, etc)
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Thanks a lot for this detailed post! Really appreciate it!! Hopefully it also helps other student facing similar decisions!
 
cyberchicken001 said:
Thanks a lot for this detailed post! Really appreciate it!! Hopefully it also helps other student facing similar decisions!
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And don't forget pure pass/fail is almost priceless when so much pressure is now on STEP 1 scores. Grades do not necessarily correlate with step 1 score.
 
Hmm wish I knew more about downstate and stony brook. If your parents are paying part of it then it's not as bad. I'm... the opposite of rich so I might choose stony brook.

It really depends on how much you like stony brook. Would a new Mercedes Benz E350 make up the gap? (Though that might be a poor example, I only ride motorcycles for example.)

Honestly though, make sure you make up your own mind and it's not some random stranger like me telling you what to do. The decision should be yours only.
 
cyberchicken001 said:
I'd like to thank all the current students on this thread for answering all of our questions - you guys are great!

Another question for you guys, if you don't mind me asking:

I've been fortunate enough to have been accepted to a number of schools, and by now I've basically narrowed it down to Einstein and 2 of my state schools which are about 15K cheaper per year. If not for the significant cost difference I would choose Einstein in a heartbeat, but 15K is nothing to sneeze at, and since I will be taking out loans, this larger debt concerns me. My question is, what made you guys decide that Einstein is the right place for you, even though it's more expensive than state schools? (I realize this question could be asked about any private school vs. state school, but since Einstein is the only private school I would attend, I'm asking it here.) I understand that this is a really personal decision, so I just want to know what made you choose Einstein despite the price tag.

Thanks! 🙂
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I would also ask this question on Stony Brook and Downstate forums. I'm sure for many of the students tuition was not the only factor in deciding on which school to attend so it would be good to get as much data as possible before making a decision. Second look weekends should be helpful too, so I would attend those if you can. But ultimately go with what feels right for you and where you think you'll be happy. Four years is a long time.
 
For those accepted--has anyone completed the financial aide questionnaire yet?
 
Pandaeac said:
Was there an online version of the form? Or did you have to print it and mail it in?
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I scanned a copy for my own records, but then mailed the actual form to them. I plan to follow up next week to make sure they've received it.
 
Rejected today. Interviewed end of January. I really enjoyed and connected with my interviewer but the school wasn't the best fit for me and they obviously felt the same way lol. Good luck to everyone still waiting!

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GingerGirl27 said:
Rejected today. Interviewed end of January. I really enjoyed and connected with my interviewer but the school wasn't the best fit for me and they obviously felt the same way lol. Good luck to everyone still waiting!

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Do you recall which interview day you had?
 
Agnieszka020 said:
Yeah.. based on the SDN sample, there were no acceptances since the initial January 15th release date. It seems like interviews are at most for the HPWL spots.
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do you mean that all upcoming interview dates are for hpwl spots? this cant be true (I seriously hope not). i'm interviewing on friday and I got invited to interview long ago, like early November. I cant believe this would be just for the wait list.
 
user12 said:
do you mean that all upcoming interview dates are for hpwl spots? this cant be true (I seriously hope not). i'm interviewing on friday and I got invited to interview long ago, like early November. I cant believe this would be just for the wait list.
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Yeah that doesn't make sense! I got the interview invite in December and am scheduled for April!
 
user12 said:
do you mean that all upcoming interview dates are for hpwl spots? this cant be true (I seriously hope not). i'm interviewing on friday and I got invited to interview long ago, like early November. I cant believe this would be just for the wait list.
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HPWL at Einstein tends to have pretty good mobility. Every year is different, but if you get onto HPWL, you're not dead in the water.
 
EthylMethylMan said:
HPWL at Einstein tends to have pretty good mobility. Every year is different, but if you get onto HPWL, you're not dead in the water.
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I don't care how much movement there is. I don't want to be going into the interview thinking the best I can hope for is the HIGH PRIORITY waitlist. That's bull crap. I can't believe that. I'm tryin to get a high priority acceptance.
 
user12 said:
I don't care how much movement there is. I don't want to be going into the interview thinking the best I can hope for is the HIGH PRIORITY waitlist. That's bull crap. I can't believe that. I'm tryin to get a high priority acceptance.
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Haha with this attitude you're likely to not have to worry about high priority anything 🙂 I'll take an acceptance off the HPWL any day and me and Albert Einstein shall be buddies forever.
 
user12 said:
I don't care how much movement there is. I don't want to be going into the interview thinking the best I can hope for is the HIGH PRIORITY waitlist. That's bull crap. I can't believe that. I'm tryin to get a high priority acceptance.
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no one is interviewing for a HPWL spot, I know people who interviewed in april and got spots right off the batt.
 
I believe in some previous years, Einstein has extended acceptances to people who were originally on the regular waitlist. So if you are initially put on HPWL, that means you're likely to eventually get accepted sometime after 5/15. This is all conjecture though
 
Syndicate said:
I believe in some previous years, Einstein has extended acceptances to people who were originally on the regular waitlist. So if you are initially put on HPWL, that means you're likely to eventually get accepted sometime after 5/15. This is all conjecture though
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It really changes so much from year to year, based on so many factors - so it's hard to predict an exact progression of events.

But I def think a HPWL spot is a decent option (always better than a flat rejection) and that you shouldn't hide up hope - and also send a letter of interest/update.
 
user12 said:
I don't care how much movement there is. I don't want to be going into the interview thinking the best I can hope for is the HIGH PRIORITY waitlist. That's bull crap. I can't believe that. I'm tryin to get a high priority acceptance.
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Even if it's not explicitly stated, any school that has rolling admissions will be mostly full by the time spring rolls around. If there are 180 people in the class and 170 spots are filled they're liable to be even more selective than they were in sep/oct/nov/dec/jan. If the worst were to happen and you had to re-apply, a big helper is to have your primary in not just day 1, but minute 1. Have it ready to go so you can click submit immediately. When secondaries are posted in the respective school threads, you get them written so you can return yours same-day. You'll be interviewing in early-fall no sweat.
 
APthereforeIB said:
Even if it's not explicitly stated, any school that has rolling admissions will be mostly full by the time spring rolls around. If there are 180 people in the class and 170 spots are filled they're liable to be even more selective than they were in sep/oct/nov/dec/jan. If the worst were to happen and you had to re-apply, a big helper is to have your primary in not just day 1, but minute 1. Have it ready to go so you can click submit immediately. When secondaries are posted in the respective school threads, you get them written so you can return yours same-day. You'll be interviewing in early-fall no sweat.
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This is actually a good point. Although I did submit my application the first day, you're right, first minute would likely put people at an advantage. Although there is always the chance that you submit the application, they look at it, and decide to pass you over and maybe take a look at your application again another time, thereby still resulting in a late interview.
 
Congrats on the acceptance!
This begs the question about AE's WL system though. The interview season goes through March. So, there still applicants who have not yet interviewed. If it was truly a WL why accept someone from it if all the candidates have not been interviewed? In my mind, WL means "we like you but we think we can get better candidates." So, the adcom interviews everyone and says here are all the acceptances for the people we really like. If someone doesn't accept the acceptance then they pull from the WL.

Clearly if you were accepted off the WL before the interviews are done, they liked you more than my definition of WL. Why wouldn't they just accept you right away?

Anybody have insight into this?

And, to clarify, my intention is not to disparage anyone who was put on the WL, accepted off the WL, or another person either real or fictional. I'm just bored and curious and wondering if anyone can solve this fascinating mystery.
 
raney said:
Congrats on the acceptance!
This begs the question about AE's WL system though. The interview season goes through March. So, there still applicants who have not yet interviewed. If it was truly a WL why accept someone from it if all the candidates have not been interviewed? In my mind, WL means "we like you but we think we can get better candidates." So, the adcom interviews everyone and says here are all the acceptances for the people we really like. If someone doesn't accept the acceptance then they pull from the WL.

Clearly if you were accepted off the WL before the interviews are done, they liked you more than my definition of WL. Why wouldn't they just accept you right away?

Anybody have insight into this?

And, to clarify, my intention is not to disparage anyone who was put on the WL, accepted off the WL, or another person either real or fictional. I'm just bored and curious and wondering if anyone can solve this fascinating mystery.
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Maybe because there is truth to my theory of their class being already full?
 
Hmmmm....Well, for argument's sake, if it is full, why pull from the WL before all interviews are over? I mean, hypothetically speaking, what if the last 2 days of interviews are nothing but "perfect fit" applicants? Shouldn't they wait to see who all is in the draft before picking people for the team?
 
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