2013-2014 Wayne State University Application Thread

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Groovy McGee said:
To those who were accepted, congratulations. Could you please indicate if you are in-state, out-of-state American, or international?
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Just accepted! First one, I'm on top of the world 🙂

Out of state
Interviewed 11/22
 
coldfeet718 said:
Just accepted! First one, I'm on top of the world 🙂

Out of state
Interviewed 11/22
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do you have some type of military scholarship? I did not even apply because OOS tuition is 64K and you cannot get in state residency. I'm not sure what to make of that...otherwise this is a school I considered adding...I'm not worried about the fact that it would be very late in the cycle.
 
common man said:
do you have some type of military scholarship? I did not even apply because OOS tuition is 64K and you cannot get in state residency. I'm not sure what to make of that...otherwise this is a school I considered adding...I'm not worried about the fact that it would be very late in the cycle.
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No scholarship for me, and yes the OOS tuition is impossible. I absolutely love this school so hoping for some sort of scholarship. I know they offer some merit based packages (Not counting on it tho). I have several more interviews so will see what happens
 
And yes to all of those who were waitlisted there is still much hope! My student host didn't get accepted until orientation had started!
 
Accepted! Great program and excited to hear this. For those wait listed, keep your head up. Any word on a facebook group?

OOS from MN
Interviewed 11/11
 
Have any Canadians been accepted this year or last that weren't waitlisted first?
 
Hello, I am a Canadian applicant who was accepted in this round of offers.
 
Anthrax said:
Hello, I am a Canadian applicant who was accepted in this round of offers.
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Congratulations. Were you waitlisted at any time? Do you have connections to Michigan? Would you be willing to share your stats?
 
Groovy McGee said:
Congratulations. Were you waitlisted at any time? Do you have connections to Michigan? Would you be willing to share your stats?
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Thank you. No, I wasn't waitlisted. I don't have any "connections" per say.

My stats are as following:
cGPA=sGPA=3.89
MCAT= 33

Good luck to you! Keep persevering! This was my second time applying. If you want this, then keep your chin up and don't give up.
 
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I was just wondering if the current students could help me out--does WSU have a medical student lounge?! I don't remember seeing it on the tour if there is one... If there isn't, where do you all congregate? Is there a place to relax, eat/reheat/store food (besides the cafeteria), study, and talk that is just for students?
 
Surgeryislife said:
I was just wondering if the current students could help me out--does WSU have a medical student lounge?! I don't remember seeing it on the tour if there is one... If there isn't, where do you all congregate? Is there a place to relax, eat/reheat/store food (besides the cafeteria), study, and talk that is just for students?
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There was at least one lounge room with ping pong table, football and I believe a TV with wii and games
 
Has anyone heard anything about II or rejection lately?
 
Hello, I am a little unclear about what to send back the admissions office to confirm acceptance. I received an email today with a form. So to accept do I just sign this form and email it with a brief note?

Also, what's procedure after that? I will be allowed to hold this spot till May 15th? Would I have re-confirm acceptance at or after May 15th? Also if anyone wants to withdraw they can do so at anytime?

Sorry for all the stupid questions guys. I typed them as they came to my head. I just want to know as much about the process as possible. Any help is appreciated. 🙂
 
Anthrax said:
Hello, I am a little unclear about what to send back the admissions office to confirm acceptance. I received an email today with a form. So to accept do I just sign this form and email it with a brief note?

Also, what's procedure after that? I will be allowed to hold this spot till May 15th? Would I have re-confirm acceptance at or after May 15th? Also if anyone wants to withdraw they can do so at anytime?

Sorry for all the stupid questions guys. I typed them as they came to my head. I just want to know as much about the process as possible. Any help is appreciated. 🙂
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I got the form by snail mail, but yes you fill out the form and email or mail it to the admissions office.

I believe you just withdraw from all schools except one by May 15th, no need to re-confirm. And you can withdraw at any time by writing to them.
 
Does anyone know the correlation between one's interview experience and whether they were accepted, waitlisted, or rejected?
 
mojojojo33 said:
Does anyone know the correlation between one's interview experience and whether they were accepted, waitlisted, or rejected?
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sorry but what does that question evem mean?
 
ElectronPushing said:
I got the form by snail mail, but yes you fill out the form and email or mail it to the admissions office.

I believe you just withdraw from all schools except one by May 15th, no need to re-confirm. And you can withdraw at any time by writing to them.
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Thank you!
 
lall said:
sorry but what does that question evem mean?
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I meant, if someone thought they had a positive interview experience, and it turned into an acceptance. After looking at the interview feedback, it looks like a lot of people have had a positive interview experiences (minimal stress, conversational, nice interviewer), but I know not everyone can receive an acceptance. Just wondering.
 
No clue about any real numbers but if you will accept anecdotes, quite a few people at school are like me: thought their interview went somewhat poorly but still got an acceptance. I do think that the interview factors in less than the other aspects of your application--your grades, MCAT, essays-- so even if you feel like the interview went well it may not be enough if the whole picture is off. Of course, admissions is still largely a mystery so all of this is pretty much exclusively speculation. For the record, and for those keeping score at home, I was waitlisted for two cycles before being admitted.

mojojojo33 said:
I meant, if someone thought they had a positive interview experience, and it turned into an acceptance. After looking at the interview feedback, it looks like a lot of people have had a positive interview experiences (minimal stress, conversational, nice interviewer), but I know not everyone can receive an acceptance. Just wondering.
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I thought I interviewed well but was still waitlisted. A few years ago I interviewed horribly and was waitlisted. Your perception of your interview is not really a good indicator of how the committee will see your whole application.
 
mojojojo33 said:
I meant, if someone thought they had a positive interview experience, and it turned into an acceptance. After looking at the interview feedback, it looks like a lot of people have had a positive interview experiences (minimal stress, conversational, nice interviewer), but I know not everyone can receive an acceptance. Just wondering.
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My 2 cents...give the interview your best shot, and know that it is definitely one important piece of your application file. But to try and correlate interviews directly with acceptances/rejections isn't useful. It discounts the other very important facets that Wayne will use in reviewing you as an applicant.

This being said, I am fairly confident that I interviewed well, but have been sitting on the alternate list since October 23rd, most likely due to my other stats.
 
Does anyone know the % interviewed vs. % acceptance for OOS? Or direct me to a link that shows this stat.
 
Question for current students (who have been incredibly helpful--I really appreciate you guys!):

I noticed that the daily schedule for WSU students is waaaayyy more full/longer days than at other schools I've looked at. Most days have something scheduled from 8 am - 6 pm at least. I know class isn't mandatory, but regardless, that's a lot of lecture time to cover even if it is a recording played at double speed. That being said- how do you have enough energy to sit in lecture ALL day? (There aren't even lunch breaks longer than 30 mins most days!!) and when/how do you find time/energy to study after all of that every day? I'm really concerned about the sheer number of lecture hours at WSU compared to most schools I've been to. I need to eat, work out, study, sleep and I just don't see time for any of that in the current M1 and M2 schedule. Please give me your take on this. 🙂 thanks so much!
 
Surgeryislife said:
Question for current students (who have been incredibly helpful--I really appreciate you guys!):

I noticed that the daily schedule for WSU students is waaaayyy more full/longer days than at other schools I've looked at. Most days have something scheduled from 8 am - 6 pm at least... Please give me your take on this. 🙂 thanks so much!
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M1 here. If you are referring to our google calendars I could see how it looks pretty packed. It depends on the block, but it's not as bad as it seems because a lot of non-mandatory events are put on the calendar alongside lectures which are non-mandatory for the most part. For example, things like co-curricular events and CBL (optional cased based learning cases) are not required unless you choose to take part and even then, you have a lot of freedom in scheduling them (co-curricular). On the calendar, you have to click on the event and it will have an R if it is required. And, anything that has two of the same titles on the calendar means that the class is divided between events by the first half of the alphabet.

As far as actual classes and labs, again it depends on the block. Anatomy and Histology lectures weren't really excessive and the material is pretty straight-forward, but you are required to come to class for most of the week for labs. Even then, a ton of anatomy groups don't spend the entire allotted 3 hours in lab every session, so you have plenty of time to study. Plus, after the first week, probably 90% of the class started to stream lectures (which is awesome) instead of going to class, so you have all day to study and get ready for lab.

Now we are onto physiology and biochemistry which a bit more intense (5-7 lectures a day). However, we have very few mandatory lectures so you have pretty much all day to prepare/stream/review the lectures from home. As long as you keep up with the lectures, it's pretty manageable especially with the amount of time saved by speeding them up.

Finally, the clinical medicine classes on Thursday mornings are actually only 2 hours, but they block off 4 hours to accommodate all the physicians. And, the site visits for clin med on the calendar aren't actual visits, just time they give you in the schedule to complete your three shadowing/interviewing days in the primary care clinics.

It's still a lot of work as there is a lot of information to go over and get down, but it is pretty much what I expected med school to be like.
 
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bike detroit said:
M1 here. If you are referring to our google calendars I could see how it looks pretty packed. It depends on the block, but it's not as bad as it seems because a lot of non-mandatory events are put on the calendar alongside lectures which are non-mandatory for the most part. For example, things like co-curricular events and CBL (optional cased based learning cases) are not required unless you choose to take part and even then, you have a lot of freedom in scheduling them (co-curricular). On the calendar, you have to click on the event and it will have an R if it is required. And, anything that has two of the same titles on the calendar means that the class is divided between events by the first half of the alphabet.

As far as actual classes and labs, again it depends on the block. Anatomy and Histology lectures weren't really excessive and the material is pretty straight-forward, but you are required to come to class for most of the week for labs. Even then, a ton of anatomy groups don't spend the entire allotted 3 hours in lab every session, so you have plenty of time to study. Plus, after the first week, probably 90% of the class started to stream lectures (which is awesome) instead of going to class, so you have all day to study and get ready for lab.

Now we are onto physiology and biochemistry which a bit more intense (5-7 lectures a day). However, we have very few mandatory lectures so you have pretty much all day to prepare/stream/review the lectures from home. As long as you keep up with the lectures, it's pretty manageable especially with the amount of time saved by speeding them up.

Finally, the clinical medicine classes on Thursday mornings are actually only 2 hours, but they block off 4 hours to accommodate all the physicians. And, the site visits for clin med on the calendar aren't actual visits, just time they give you in the schedule to complete your three shadowing/interviewing days in the primary care clinics.

It's still a lot of work as there is a lot of information to go over and get down, but it is pretty much what I expected med school to be like.
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So if a majority of the people don't go to class, then how do you build a sense of community with other students? Is it easy to find your niche in med school?
 
mojojojo33 said:
So if a majority of the people don't go to class, then how do you build a sense of community with other students? Is it easy to find your niche in med school?
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There are lots of other ways to get to know people rather than class. How much can you really get to know someone during a lecture anyway?

You start meeting your class during orientation week, both during the mandatory sessions and class parties afterwards each day. Then you get to know them really well through anatomy and histology labs, clinical medicine, mandatory other things like basic exam skill days, nerve lesion conference, BLS and ultrasound sessions where you are seemingly always with a different group of people. Also, we have yet another small group where we are paired with an attending physician and M2 mentor who we get together with throughout the year and can ask advice about classes or things further down the road. Plus, not everyone streams lectures from home. A good amount of people actually come to school to stream and then meet up with others in the cafeteria during lunch.

In addition, there are a ton of interest groups, clubs, volunteer opportunities, and co-curricular to meet even more people. That is one great (and annoying) thing about Wayne. Our inboxes are inundated everyday with different events going on from volunteering to specialty lunches with practicing physicians. And after every exam or exam week, there is a post exam party (two actually - one at a local bar and another alternative party which isn't centered around the bar scene) where everyone gets together to celebrate finishing each unit.

The bottom line is that you have a lot of flexibility with your schedule and there are tons of ways to meet people and make close friends. On the flip side, the class is pretty big and I'm sure there are some people you will never really get to know.
 
adding to my last post:

I think anatomy lab plays the biggest role in forming a sense of community with your classmates. You are there almost every day (usually Fridays are off) during the first few months and you become really close with you lab group and the tables around you. Everyone in the whole class is there and it's pretty important to go check out the different anatomy of different bodies so you meet a lot of people that way as well.
 
bike detroit said:
M1 here. If you are referring to our google calendars I could see how it looks pretty packed....It's still a lot of work as there is a lot of information to go over and get down, but it is pretty much what I expected med school to be like.
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Thanks for the info/insight! I'm not sure yet if I'll be a "streamer" or an "attendee" in terms of lectures, which is the part that concerns me with the schedule, but I'm going to look at the schedule more carefully for the times you referred to that aren't really intended for everyone (alphabetical split, meetings that occur 3 times a semester, etc). I'm so glad that the WSU med students are so helpful! Definitely makes me feel like people would show me the ropes if I choose to attend 🙂
 
bike detroit hit the nail on the head in their reply. There's a lot of opportunity to meet people, make friends, build contacts, whatever you're after. There's lunch time seminar events, student organizations, required class stuff. I went to lecture about 0 percent of the time in first year, and about 70 percent of the time this year. I've gotten closer with people through pretty much every mode I list above.

I definitely think that the community at Wayne is great. Maybe this hasn't always been the case, but in recent years Wayne students have been more than willing to help each other out. We have a third year student who is always replying to questions on our facebook page about things to consider about passing/doing well in any class that we're coming up to next. That kind of attitude gets passed on to our class, and there are tons of people who advise the first years on what to expect with what they have going on. People are really willing to answer any questions anyone might have. I think this attitude goes, for the most part, for people helping each other out within their own class as well.

There's stuff that we can definitely improve on but for sure I've been pleasantly surprised with how much of a sense of community we have here. I was a little bit worried about that with the class size but it hasn't played out the way I was worried about. With a class of 290, it's pretty likely that there will be someone else like you so it's definitely likely you will find your niche. I've heard the complaint that school is "clique-y" and that might be the case with friend groups (it's no different than any other situation I've ever been in, people who like each other tend to congregate), but whenever I've wanted to collaborate on a project with someone from a different student org I wasn't necessarily close friends with they've been all about it.

mojojojo33 said:
So if a majority of the people don't go to class, then how do you build a sense of community with other students? Is it easy to find your niche in med school?
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mojojojo33 said:
Does anyone know the % interviewed vs. % acceptance for OOS? Or direct me to a link that shows this stat.
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Sorry this may not be too helpful because I can't find the source (it may be this thread). I clearly recall reading that they end up accepting ~70% of OOS interviewees
 
coldfeet718 said:
Sorry this may not be too helpful because I can't find the source (it may be this thread). I clearly recall reading that they end up accepting ~70% of OOS interviewees
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Oh that's great! I thought it was ~40% for OOS, but I hope you're right.
 
mojojojo33 said:
So if a majority of the people don't go to class, then how do you build a sense of community with other students? Is it easy to find your niche in med school?
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Don't worry... i'm sure you'll find other girls who want to gossip.
 
I have a quick question I was hoping some current students could answer for me. I'm really interested in a lot of the co-curricular programs at medical schools around the country right now. I noticed that for Wayne, the requirement is 75 hours each year (M1 and M2). For anyone participating, does that seem easy enough to achieve? It actually kind of seems like a lot to me, especially with the adjustment I'm expecting next year (studying far more than ever before), so I'm just wondering if it's been a challenge at all? I know it's optional as well so worse case scenario, it's not the end of the word... Just curious. Thanks! 🙂
 
Co-curricular at Wayne is set up so to fulfill the requirements you need to put in a minimum of 5 hours and a maximum of 12 hours each month. To fulfill on time, you need to put in about 8-9 hours a month which boils down to pretty doable in my assessment seeing as many people who would be typically inclined toward something like co-curricular would many times be doing about that anyway. For 3 of the 4 co-curricular tracks, 15 of the required 75 hours are seminar, which are most often fulfilled during lunch time. This leaves about 60 hours you have to fulfill during non-school hours over 9 months which boils down to about 2-3 volunteer experiences a month -- for many people this is definitely manageable. It does take a bit of planning and maneuvering though, as well as some flexibility as some clinic opportunities fill up very fast (lots of students here). Thankfully, there is a wide range of experiences so if you find you didn't get in to the clinic or outreach experience you wanted one month, there will most certainly be some other experience that will have space. If people are struggling academically, they are encouraged to withdraw from co-curricular and just focus on school, so really it's just entirely dependent on what you feel like you can do mixed with what you're looking to get out your experience as a medical student. But lots of people are like me and find it to be no problem at all to get hours in. Also, a lot of people get a good chunk of their second year hours done in the summer between 1st and 2nd year as you can in fact record 36 hours of service (12 each month) during that time.

As an aside, I would be really curious to hear what other schools are doing so if you would like to send me a private message of things you've found I would find it super interesting. Maybe another school has a good idea we can use here, also.
 
togaedere said:
Co-curricular at Wayne is set up so to fulfill the requirements you need to put in a minimum of 5 hours and a maximum of 12 hours each month. To fulfill on time, you need to put in about 8-9 hours a month which boils down to pretty doable in my assessment seeing as many people who would be typically inclined toward something like co-curricular would many times be doing about that anyway. For 3 of the 4 co-curricular tracks, 15 of the required 75 hours are seminar, which are most often fulfilled during lunch time. This leaves about 60 hours you have to fulfill during non-school hours over 9 months which boils down to about 2-3 volunteer experiences a month -- for many people this is definitely manageable. It does take a bit of planning and maneuvering though, as well as some flexibility as some clinic opportunities fill up very fast (lots of students here). Thankfully, there is a wide range of experiences so if you find you didn't get in to the clinic or outreach experience you wanted one month, there will most certainly be some other experience that will have space. If people are struggling academically, they are encouraged to withdraw from co-curricular and just focus on school, so really it's just entirely dependent on what you feel like you can do mixed with what you're looking to get out your experience as a medical student. But lots of people are like me and find it to be no problem at all to get hours in. Also, a lot of people get a good chunk of their second year hours done in the summer between 1st and 2nd year as you can in fact record 36 hours of service (12 each month) during that time.

As an aside, I would be really curious to hear what other schools are doing so if you would like to send me a private message of things you've found I would find it super interesting. Maybe another school has a good idea we can use here, also.
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Thank you for this response! It seems much more manageable when it's all broken down. Being from near Detroit myself, I know there are a lot of service opportunities so it seems easy enough in theory, but it's good to hear that people seem to balance it well. I read that they have to approve the volunteer sites -- does that seem to be a challenge or are they fairly easy-going about it? Is there a certain track that is more popular than others (more opportunities, perhaps)? I know that the website mentions the flexibility to switch tracks between M1 and M2 -- if you do that, are all of the hours still retained?

Haha, I'm sorry for the slew of questions. I'm still trying to figure out which school is best for me, but I'm really leaning toward WSU for a lot of personal reasons so I'm just trying to get a clear picture and the responses here have been great.

I'm not on my personal computer atm (which is where I have my notes on schools saved) but I'll try to PM you this weekend with some links to the programs. I've noticed that it's definitely a trend to either offer or mandate participation in some special track program, usually involving a combination of service and a special project (paper, presentation, etc.).
 
I just got a II today, and after doing some stalking through this forum, I'm wondering if anybody else has gotten a II with an MD and MPH interview? Also, for MD/MPH students, can you shed some light on the MPH program and your experiences? I haven't been able to find a website page dedicated to an MD/MPH, so any info would be appreciated!
 
No problem about the questions at all. I had a lot of questions before coming to school as well and you're asking a lot of good ones.

Wayne has a co-curricular coordinator -- a staff person (PhD in education administration) who coordinates this as well as the Interprofessional Team Visit project that we undergo in second year as part of the physical diagnosis course. The organizations work with this person to approve their clinical and outreach opportunities very far in advance, like around April or May for the upcoming school year. So if you have a leadership position at school you may have to work closely with the coordinator to make sure that it follows particular cocurricular standards. It seems like/probably is extra red tape, but the intention is to make sure that there are actual volunteer/outreach activities going on for an appropriate amount of time (that is, people aren't just handing their friends hours). I think the oversight is ultimately good, but it does as you suggest pose certain challenges. Long standing organizations with set clinic/outreach schedules year-to-year usually do not have much of an issue, but if something comes up midway through the school year -- an event you just thought of, say, or you established a relationship with a new clinic and want to get a volunteer partnership going -- it can sometimes be a problem to get your event approved for hours. BUT, I have found that having a good relationship with the people in charge can go a long way, so if that is the case the barriers are usually pretty minimal, and I don't know of a whole lot of people (if any) who wanted to get an appropriate event approved that ultimately wasn't. The biggest challenge is when organizations that involve 3rd and 4th year students (so, students that have graduated from the cocurricular system and are no longer on campus much) want to do things that also offer cocurricular hours. This breakdown in communication can pose a problem that is not insurmountable, but there nonetheless.

You can switch tracks for everything except the ME2 track. So if you started in Fabric for year 1, and want to be in MPAC for year 2, you can do so and your hours will still be retained. ME2 is the track where you basically do research toward improving the school's curriculum, so they just require that people be in it for 2 years. I believe, though, that if you started in ME2 but wanted to switch to another track for year two, you could do so without penalty. Don't quote me on that though.


sciencebooks said:
Thank you for this response! It seems much more manageable when it's all broken down. Being from near Detroit myself, I know there are a lot of service opportunities so it seems easy enough in theory, but it's good to hear that people seem to balance it well. I read that they have to approve the volunteer sites -- does that seem to be a challenge or are they fairly easy-going about it? Is there a certain track that is more popular than others (more opportunities, perhaps)? I know that the website mentions the flexibility to switch tracks between M1 and M2 -- if you do that, are all of the hours still retained?

Haha, I'm sorry for the slew of questions. I'm still trying to figure out which school is best for me, but I'm really leaning toward WSU for a lot of personal reasons so I'm just trying to get a clear picture and the responses here have been great.

I'm not on my personal computer atm (which is where I have my notes on schools saved) but I'll try to PM you this weekend with some links to the programs. I've noticed that it's definitely a trend to either offer or mandate participation in some special track program, usually involving a combination of service and a special project (paper, presentation, etc.).
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Canadian, Alternate List. Which is probably a good thing because I wasn't sure if I really would be very happy with my decision to go there.
 
Interviewed in October, alternate list email in November. Just got an email today saying I'm still on alternate list, and they will review again January 29. Sigh. Sending in another Letter of Intent/Interest. We'll see if that shakes up the alternate list.
 
Oh, by the way, I was rejected pre-secondary at the end of August, but after I called and appealed the classification of my grad-work, they sent me a secondary! Then an interview, and now an acceptance. So, the mythical rejection-to-acceptance DOES happen!
 
Great White Buffalo said:
Interviewed in October, alternate list email in November. Just got an email today saying I'm still on alternate list, and they will review again January 29. Sigh. Sending in another Letter of Intent/Interest. We'll see if that shakes up the alternate list.
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+1, alternate list again for me. 🙁 Want more than anything to get in here, but just depressed at the thought of staying on the waitlist indefinitely.
 
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