2014-2015 California Northstate University College of Medicine

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Dohnut said:
Dude, put yourself in their shoes. It's a month before orientation, the second round of two interviews were just over and they have to prepare for the last 2 upcoming interviews, who's not busy? Or rather, what makes your phone call so special they have to pick it up in a timely manner with their tight schedule?
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Dohnut said:
Well this particular thread was created by animoose. Why? You can only find out by asking him/her, or actually read what the creator said in the very first post. Anything else is speculation.
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Dohnut said:
Hyde & similar people here:

You know by saying "such & such person is ___insert adjective___", you're judging people right? What made you think you're qualified to have that power? Go eat an extra large humble pie.

Doh
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geez someone has a tight sphincter tone
 
Dohnut said:
Well this particular thread was created by animoose. Why? You can only find out by asking him/her, or actually read what the creator said in the very first post. Anything else is speculation.
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Well the first sentence of the first post is as follows.

"This 2014-2015 California Northstate University College of Medicine (CNUCOM) discussion is for those who wish to attend medical school at CNUCOM in Fall 2015. Yes, I realize it's July 2015."

And this coincides with pretty much every other thread in the school specific forum.
 
Throwaway1234321 said:
Well the first sentence of the first post is as follows.

"This 2014-2015 California Northstate University College of Medicine (CNUCOM) discussion is for those who wish to attend medical school at CNUCOM in Fall 2015. Yes, I realize it's July 2015."

And this coincides with pretty much every other thread in the school specific forum.
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There ya go.
 
Dear desperate students,
Beware of the suspicious (once deserted)AAA building converted medical college happening right in the Capital of California.
This establishment is a sham with no planning involved and is a replica of some already money grabbing schools in Caribbean.
I am saddened to see such happenings in my own town (practicing for last 25 years) and wondering how LCME is approving or will monitor it.
All the students who interviewed there and I got a chance to speak with, met an uninterested (ex-dean), novice interview panel and many hours of wasted time.
This is not how medicine should change into commercial business.
 
ossicles said:
Dear desperate students,
Beware of the suspicious (once deserted)AAA building converted medical college happening right in the Capital of California.
This establishment is a sham with no planning involved and is a replica of some already money grabbing schools in Caribbean.
I am saddened to see such happenings in my own town (practicing for last 25 years) and wondering how LCME is approving or will monitor it.
All the students who interviewed there and I got a chance to speak with, met an uninterested (ex-dean), novice interview panel and many hours of wasted time.
This is not how medicine should change into commercial business.
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were you one of the community physicians who was interviewing students on the interview day?
 
ossicles said:
Dear desperate students,
Beware of the suspicious (once deserted)AAA building converted medical college happening right in the Capital of California.
This establishment is a sham with no planning involved and is a replica of some already money grabbing schools in Caribbean.
I am saddened to see such happenings in my own town (practicing for last 25 years) and wondering how LCME is approving or will monitor it.
All the students who interviewed there and I got a chance to speak with, met an uninterested (ex-dean), novice interview panel and many hours of wasted time.
This is not how medicine should change into commercial business.
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can you provide more details as to how this is a sham? I have been doing a lot of research and I have uncovered some suspicions myself.
 
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medicalman35 said:
can you provide more details as to how this is a sham? I have been doing a lot of research and I have uncovered some suspicions myself.
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Hah, wouldn't count on it. Anonymity is a huge thing. The fact that he's posting now after majority of acceptances have been given instead of earlier, and the fact that he's just posting generalized cliches, is highly suspect.
Sounds to me like another bitter applicant posing to be someone (ah the internet). I wasn't accepted so the school is trash!
 
Does anyone know when the people who interviewed on July 24th are supposed to hear back by? Thanks!
 
md2b01 said:
Does anyone know when the people who interviewed on July 24th are supposed to hear back by? Thanks!
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10 calendar days buddy but it looks like they already gave away most of the seats for the 24th and 27th interview pool
 
Created this account to add my commentary to advise anybody interested in Northstate for medical school...
I am a community physician associated with a large medical group in the area. We were asked one year ago to provide preceptorships for Northstate medical students. However, after meeting with Northstate administration, our medical group decided not to participate due to poor organization on Northstate's part.
Collaboration could happen in the future, but my concern is that the very first year medical students may not receive a quality education.
 
ossicles said:
Dear desperate students,
Beware of the suspicious (once deserted)AAA building converted medical college happening right in the Capital of California.
This establishment is a sham with no planning involved and is a replica of some already money grabbing schools in Caribbean.
I am saddened to see such happenings in my own town (practicing for last 25 years) and wondering how LCME is approving or will monitor it.
All the students who interviewed there and I got a chance to speak with, met an uninterested (ex-dean), novice interview panel and many hours of wasted time.
This is not how medicine should change into commercial business.
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Dr. ossicles,

We appreciate your feedback. That being said, this thread is specifically intended to facilitate discussion regarding the 2014-2015 application cycle at CNUCOM. The highly unconventional, chronologically compressed, and proprietary nature (i.e. not AMCAS) of this Summer's application process have understandably created a measure of confusion, much of which has been mitigated here via posters volunteering their time to share their insights, experiences, and tips.

In sum, the focus of this thread is narrow. For a broader discussion of the relative merits (or lack thereof) of CNUCOM in a much broader/macroscopic sense, please consider contributing here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/california-northstate-gains-accreditation.1142846/

Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,
Moose
 
FaithInTheLight said:
Created this account to add my commentary to advise anybody interested in Northstate for medical school...
I am a community physician associated with a large medical group in the area. We were asked one year ago to provide preceptorships for Northstate medical students. However, after meeting with Northstate administration, our medical group decided not to participate due to poor organization on Northstate's part.
Collaboration could happen in the future, but my concern is that the very first year medical students may not receive a quality education.
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Dr. FaithInTheLight

We appreciate your feedback. That being said, this thread is specifically intended to facilitate discussion regarding the 2014-2015 application cycle at CNUCOM. The highly unconventional, chronologically compressed, and proprietary nature (i.e. not AMCAS) of this Summer's application process have understandably created a measure of confusion, much of which has been mitigated here via posters volunteering their time to share their insights, experiences, and tips.

In sum, the focus of this thread is narrow. For a broader discussion of the relative merits (or lack thereof) of CNUCOM in a much broader/macroscopic sense, please consider contributing here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/california-northstate-gains-accreditation.1142846/

Thank you in advance.

Respectfully,
Moose
 
"Oh the LCME is such a great review system that insures quality...except for this one school, this is the first exception ever. Trust me I looked at their website and a cursory Google search of their staff. I know more than the LCME review committee about this school."
Give me a break
 
I'm actually Sean Connery and I endorse this school too /s
Neurozot said:
"Oh the LCME is such a great review system that insures quality...except for this one school, this is the first exception ever. Trust me I looked at their website and a cursory Google search of their staff. I know more than the LCME review committee about this school."
Give me a break
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I love how on interview day the administration touted their pharmacy school as a model of their experience and knowhow in medical education and how we don't need to worry about accreditation since their pharmacy school has been running along fine when in fact their pharmacy school has faced accreditation problems. Its not unthinkable that the college of medicine might have similar problems with LCME http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...7/20/new-challenges-for-pharmacy-college.html
 
Spector1 said:
I'm actually Sean Connery and I endorse this school too /s


I love how on interview day the administration touted their pharmacy school as a model of their experience and knowhow in medical education and how we don't need to worry about accreditation since their pharmacy school has been running along fine when in fact their pharmacy school has faced accreditation problems. Its not unthinkable that the college of medicine might have similar problems with LCME http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...7/20/new-challenges-for-pharmacy-college.html
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Because in the end, their pharmacy school did get accredited and their students were successful. Their first class in particular, which is what we'll be, had no issues during their time there and they had no issues after graduation (this school won't finish the accrediting process until after we graduate).
I have friends who graduated from the pharm program, and they loved their time there. They liked the facilities, area, and faculty. Dr. Lackey and West were particularly touted, and I had the same impression of them during interviews.

Hell, UCR was denied preliminary accreditation, and no one feared going into that school.
 
Dear CNUCOM applicants,
Do you ever wonder why they have to start the cycle on June 15th when all of you were getting rejections from the previous cycle?
Also,worth thinking is the fact that the website keeps changing the faculty, is mostly under construction (in their prime time), and last checked has absolutely all international medical graduates who could not pass their own medical licensing examination to become US physicians-how can they be good teachers of US medicine.
There is no infrastructure,research base,rotation sites, or even a decent building to tour you around.
The interviewing faculty consists of pharmacists (who are unfit to check empathy,patient-doctor relationship) and the others are rushing during their lunch break to fill in.
Where will you get residency,who will know about the quality of this program ,who will be your mentor, and above all who will teach you the art and science of medicine-just standing next to an extremely busy physician in HMO will not !?
I am hoping they will not hire Kaplan to teach you medicine and skim through step 1 like Caribbean schools.
As a very rich community of physicians based in Sacramento and our commitment to be socially responsible, me and my colleagues are very concerned by the unplanned,hastily done medical college.
The fact that all of you are spending your weekend defending this school speaks volume and is quite perplexing to me too.
Don't sell yourself so low.
Good luck.
 
The article says that the pharmacy school failed to gain full accreditation as the first class graduated, but that the class was still eligible to take board exams and enter the job market.

What would happen if CNU fails to gain full LCME accreditation when the inaugural class graduates? Will they be able to enter residency?
 
md2b01 said:
The article says that the pharmacy school failed to gain full accreditation as the first class graduated, but that the class was still eligible to take board exams and enter the job market.

What would happen if CNU fails to gain full LCME accreditation when the inaugural class graduates? Will they be able to enter residency?
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google "San Juan Bautista Medical School" Its a pretty dreary case.

or heck go read the cnsucom accreditation thread
 
ossicles said:
Dear CNUCOM applicants,
Do you ever wonder why they have to start the cycle on June 15th when all of you were getting rejections from the previous cycle?
Also,worth thinking is the fact that the website keeps changing the faculty, is mostly under construction (in their prime time), and last checked has absolutely all international medical graduates who could not pass their own medical licensing examination to become US physicians-how can they be good teachers of US medicine.
There is no infrastructure,research base,rotation sites, or even a decent building to tour you around.
The interviewing faculty consists of pharmacists (who are unfit to check empathy,patient-doctor relationship) and the others are rushing during their lunch break to fill in.
Where will you get residency,who will know about the quality of this program ,who will be your mentor, and above all who will teach you the art and science of medicine-just standing next to an extremely busy physician in HMO will not !?
I am hoping they will not hire Kaplan to teach you medicine and skim through step 1 like Caribbean schools.
As a very rich community of physicians based in Sacramento and our commitment to be socially responsible, me and my colleagues are very concerned by the unplanned,hastily done medical college.
The fact that all of you are spending your weekend defending this school speaks volume and is quite perplexing to me too.
Don't sell yourself so low.
Good luck.
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You do seem to know quite a lot about the interview process. Were you involved in it somehow, perhaps as an interviewer or maybe interviewee?
 
md2b01 said:
The article says that the pharmacy school failed to gain full accreditation as the first class graduated, but that the class was still eligible to take board exams and enter the job market.

What would happen if CNU fails to gain full LCME accreditation when the inaugural class graduates? Will they be able to enter residency?
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This depends on what happens outside of failing to get full LCME accreditation. They could pull their provisional accreditation and then you end up with a San Juan Bautista situation which is worse case scenario. They could also allow CNU to keep their provisional accreditation and give them a list of deficiencies that they need to fix and then reassess the following year. Also CNU will be getting assessed yearly so its not like LCME will only come in and look around during the inaugural classes 4th year. There are certainly risks associated with attending CNU.
 
ossicles said:
Dear CNUCOM applicants,
Do you ever wonder why they have to start the cycle on June 15th when all of you were getting rejections from the previous cycle?
Also,worth thinking is the fact that the website keeps changing the faculty, is mostly under construction (in their prime time), and last checked has absolutely all international medical graduates who could not pass their own medical licensing examination to become US physicians-how can they be good teachers of US medicine.
There is no infrastructure,research base,rotation sites, or even a decent building to tour you around.
The interviewing faculty consists of pharmacists (who are unfit to check empathy,patient-doctor relationship) and the others are rushing during their lunch break to fill in.
Where will you get residency,who will know about the quality of this program ,who will be your mentor, and above all who will teach you the art and science of medicine-just standing next to an extremely busy physician in HMO will not !?
I am hoping they will not hire Kaplan to teach you medicine and skim through step 1 like Caribbean schools.
As a very rich community of physicians based in Sacramento and our commitment to be socially responsible, me and my colleagues are very concerned by the unplanned,hastily done medical college.
The fact that all of you are spending your weekend defending this school speaks volume and is quite perplexing to me too.
Don't sell yourself so low.
Good luck.
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fact is many of the applicants are desperate to get in and save a year and I doubt you're going to convince anyone. others that have LizzyM of 70 or higher, I am surprised that they would consider this school instead of looking at something more established but it's also true that it's tough out there these days. there are obvious legitimate concerns here
 
Omg I had no idea about all of this... that's kind of scary! I still kind of hope I get in though...lol.
 
md2b01 said:
Omg I had no idea about all of this... that's kind of scary! I still kind of hope I get in though...lol.
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I would recommend going and reading through the CNU thread over in premd and pay special attention to gyngyn and goro's comments (they are an attending and faculty member respectively) in order to get a clear view of what you are signing up for if you choose to attend CNU. There is no sense in going into this decision blind.
 
Throwaway1234321 said:
You do seem to know quite a lot about the interview process. Were you involved in it somehow, perhaps as an interviewer or maybe interviewee?
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He really isn't saying anything other than generalities that have already been discussed to death/proven wrong.
The fact that he's writing a ton but in essence is saying nothing, along with the timing of all of this (if they were asked for "preceptorship" and to be "interviewers", why are they waiting until now to talk) is extremely fishy.
Also, the fact that he has such vitriol against this place, yet might have been an "interviewer" speaks a lot about his character and profesionalism.

Again, instead of saying "I'm seeing red flags in my research!", why don't you actually mention the so-called flags?

From what I understand:
1. No Private Loans: True for every new school
2. No rotation sites: Incorrect
3. Bad facilities: incorrect
4. International Faculty: This is true for a number of lower MD schools and state MD schools. No one is comparing this to Harvard or Yale...
5. Majority of faculty that didn't pass boards: incorrect.
6. Majority pharmacists interviewing you: incorrect
7. Shady operations: How exactly do we know this, unless we work there?

The only thing that spooked me was the fact that they are matriculating so soon. However, they need to graduate their first class to get full accreditation. If the facilities are ready and the faculty is ready, no reason to waste a year sitting on your hands.

And if there's one thing that one shouldn't criticize, it's the curriculum, as that's the thing that's been highly touted by the school and highly praised by LCME.
 
Throwaway1234321 said:
I would recommend going and reading through the CNU thread over in premd and pay special attention to gyngyn and goro's comments (they are an attending and faculty member respectively) in order to get a clear view of what you are signing up for if you choose to attend CNU. There is no sense in going into this decision blind.
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I agree. Whether we end up getting accepted or not, we should all do our due diligence on this school.
 
terlo said:
He really isn't saying anything other than generalities that have already been discussed to death/proven wrong.
The fact that he's writing a ton but in essence is saying nothing, along with the timing of all of this (if they were asked for "preceptorship" and to be "interviewers", why are they waiting until now to talk) is extremely fishy.
Also, the fact that he has such vitriol against this place, yet might have been an "interviewer" speaks a lot about his character and profesionalism.

Again, instead of saying "I'm seeing red flags in my research!", why don't you actually mention the so-called flags?

From what I understand:
1. No Private Loans: True for every new school
2. No rotation sites: Incorrect
3. Bad facilities: incorrect
4. International Faculty: This is true for a number of lower MD schools and state MD schools. No one is comparing this to Harvard or Yale...
5. Majority of faculty that didn't pass boards: incorrect.
6. Majority pharmacists interviewing you: incorrect
7. Shady operations: How exactly do we know this, unless we work there?

The only thing that spooked me was the fact that they are matriculating so soon. However, they need to graduate their first class to get full accreditation. If the facilities are ready and the faculty is ready, no reason to waste a year sitting on your hands.

And if there's one thing that one shouldn't criticize, it's the curriculum, as that's the thing that's been highly touted by the school and highly praised by LCME.
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I agree with you 100%. Honestly I was being somewhat snarky with my response to ossicles. I believe he is a fellow premed trying to weed out the competition to be honest.

Spector1 said:
I agree. Whether we end up getting accepted or not, we should all do our due diligence on this school.
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Absolutely!!!!
 
I agree with Dr Ossicles. I echo his sentiments regarding the non-licensed physicians who will be preparing future physicians at Northstate. I believe I have worked with him over the course of 25 years in practice in the community. The information he has posted is 100% valid and credible. I know for a fact that the hospitalist program in the Dignity Healthcare System has not committed to provide preceptorships to Northstate students. I will stop posting from now on in hopes of meeting many of you in two years in my hospitals. I might suggest a more humble and respectful attitude goes a long way. Good luck to all of you!
 
FaithInTheLight said:
I agree with Dr Ossicles. I echo his sentiments regarding the non-licensed physicians who will be preparing future physicians at Northstate. I believe I have worked with him over the course of 25 years in practice in the community. The information he has posted is 100% valid and credible. I know for a fact that the hospitalist program in the Dignity Healthcare System has not committed to provide preceptorships to Northstate students. I will stop posting from now on in hopes of meeting many of you in two years in my hospitals. I might suggest a more humble and respectful attitude goes a long way. Good luck to all of you!
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Oh, we have to be getting punk'd now...
Did you get that just from "ossicles"?

Spector1 said:
Heh, I still want to get in too. After all its a MD school.

I think the waitlist stress is just making us all a bit salty.
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I personally think that the DO v. MD debate is overstated and doesn't make a real difference regarding your education.
I just know personally (from pharm and DO friends) that Touro Vallejo is poor. It's a shady area (Vallejo isn't a great city to live in), the facilities are worn down, their rotation sites are scattered, and apparently they have a huge faculty turnover every few years.
 
FaithInTheLight said:
I agree with Dr Ossicles. I echo his sentiments regarding the non-licensed physicians who will be preparing future physicians at Northstate. I believe I have worked with him over the course of 25 years in practice in the community. The information he has posted is 100% valid and credible. I know for a fact that the hospitalist program in the Dignity Healthcare System has not committed to provide preceptorships to Northstate students. I will stop posting from now on in hopes of meeting many of you in two years in my hospitals. I might suggest a more humble and respectful attitude goes a long way. Good luck to all of you!
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This is NOT the appropriate thread.

I appreciate the insights, opinions, and perspectives, but chiming in about accreditation is like going up to a tour group at your alma mater and railing against the inequities of higher education. There's an appropriate time, place, and venue for that (and every) discussion.

By all means, let's discuss CNUCOM in a macroscopic sense. But not here.

Respectfully,
Moose
 
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anonimoose said:
All,

This is NOT the appropriate thread.

I appreciate the insights, opinions, and perspectives, but chiming in about accreditation is like going up to a tour group at your alma mater and railing against the inequities of higher education. There's an appropriate time, place, and venue for that (and every) discussion.

By all means, let's discuss CNUCOM in a macroscopic sense. But not here.

Respectfully,
Moose
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I love how you get all salty then you pretend to be polite again.

also when is the last interview? Is it monday?
 
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Spector1 said:
Congrats! were you the Captain who was in marine corp dress uniform?
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Yes, though it was technically the Service uniform (equivalent to a business suit; used for official visits, court appearances, reporting for duty, etc):
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Rather than the Dress Blue uniform (formal wear for funerals, weddings, recruiting, ceremonial functions, etc):
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Again, if anyone has any questions about the military (in general), please send me a private message, though again, my exposure to military medicine (specifically) is limited.
 
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Member 552728 said:
Congrats on the II! :highfive: Mind sharing stats?
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GPA 3.38, MCAT 35 (12 Physical, 11 Verbal, 12 Biological). I ultimately got accepted. That being said, I'm a non-traditional applicant with an unusual work history, so it's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison to others fresh out of college....
 
Monster_Cat said:
What's with the "we appreciate the feedback?" You're not on the admissions team, so why are you giving these canned pseudo-professional responses? These guys can post wherever they want, both threads serve the same purpose. Just get over it.
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Uncalled for. He's trying to keep this thread organized and be courteous about it. What's with the "just get over it"? You're not a counselor or psychologist. He can post whatever he wants.
 
Monster_Cat said:
What's with the "we appreciate the feedback?" You're not on the admissions team, so why are you giving these canned pseudo-professional responses?
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I used "we" in the collective sense of "we, the prospective students of CNUCOM applying for Fall 2015 admission".

Monster_Cat said:
These guys can post wherever they want, both threads serve the same purpose
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Actually, they don't. I was the one who started this "2014-2015" thread, and the raison d'être was to assist people like you and me with the specific idiosyncrasies/unique issues of this year's cycle. Period.

Application cycle-specific threads are by their very nature chronologically limited, so I believe that broader, macroscopic discussions should take place in a different forum. I, for one, think the perspectives provided by Drs. ossicles and FaithInTheLight should be preserved for posterity, which is why I respectfully suggested that they post their comments in the "California Northstate gains accreditation" thread for maximum/enduring exposure and long-term perusal by future applicants, since this "2014-2015" thread will become obsolete in less than a month. As the one who started this thread, was it not within my right to do so?

Monster_Cat said:
Just get over it.
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As an already admitted applicant for Fall 2015, I wish you all the best at your upcoming August interview.

To all those admitted and attending, see you in class.

To all those reapplying, good luck! Check out the "2015-2016 application cycle" thread here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...state-university-college-of-medicine.1143042/

And to all those observing from the sidelines who wish to discuss CNUCOM in more general terms, this is so far the most detailed/extensive discussion, with lots of great posts from some very respected voices (e.g. Goro and gyngyn):
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/california-northstate-gains-accreditation.1142846/

Let's keep the conversation going -- the good, the bad, and the ugly -- so that prospective students learn about CNUCOM and make informed decisions.
 
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