2015-2016 Columbia University College of P&S Application Thread

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1. Yup I meant October.
2. And it would definitely be helpful to interview when I'm already in NY since I have a full-time job and I'm using all my vacation days for interviews + am struggling to pay for flights and accommodations. Don't want to turn an ITA email into a plea for pity though.
IMHO, I don't think an ITA email is a plea for pity. Adcoms generally only accommodate ITA requests for those students they're already interested in interviewing, so an ITA email isn't an awful idea. Keep in mind I'm just a fellow premed student that knows nothing about the inner workings of Adcoms, this is just what I've found from perusing some forums.
 
Their FAQ states the PhD need not be in the biomed sciences but the requirement says it should be.... I took that to be a PhD that can be applied to medicine in some way and so applied without too big an expectation very early. Havent heard any thing for some time now...

same here, so far just silence...
 
Their FAQ states the PhD need not be in the biomed sciences but the requirement says it should be.... I took that to be a PhD that can be applied to medicine in some way and so applied without too big an expectation very early. Havent heard any thing for some time now...
I'm wondering whether Columbia holds off interview invitations for PhD to MD program until the application deadline. I feel this way because the applicant pool is very low for this 3 year program relative to the regular MD program. I have not heard of anyone getting an interview for the 3 year program thus far. Wonder if @LizzyM can chime in or anyone with more information?
 
I'm wondering whether Columbia holds off interview invitations for PhD to MD program until the application deadline. I feel this way because the applicant pool is very low for this 3 year program relative to the regular MD program. I have not heard of anyone getting an interview for the 3 year program thus far. Wonder if @LizzyM can chime in or anyone with more information?
Hello! I can't speak to this program specifically but PhD programs themselves tend to have deadlines in December and bring applicants in for interviews in Jan/Feb. It could be that the PhD decision makers are running on that calendar rather than the more traditional MD admissions calendar.
 
When do they let you know if you have morning or afternoon interviews?

And is there an event the night before the interview (dinner with current students), or no? Trying to book my trip there and wondering when I should arrive by.
 
When do they let you know if you have morning or afternoon interviews?

And is there an event the night before the interview (dinner with current students), or no? Trying to book my trip there and wondering when I should arrive by.
You get your schedule when you arrive in the morning.

And no, there isn't any event the night before the interview.
 
OMG! Just got an II from Columbia! 🙂
Didn't apply for the Bassett program -- just MD. Complete 7/29, LizzyM ~72. Late November, early December dates available, but I also sent in an "ITA" update for that time so that might be why those dates showed up.


What dates were available for you to choose from?
 
Anyone know when we should expect to hear from the host program for MD/PhD interviews? Mine is in less than a week and I haven't heard anything yet.
 
Hello! Made an account just to answer questions about the Bassett track, having gone through it myself. Let me know if you have any questions about the program. Full disclosure - I'm a member of the 2nd Bassett class and I think they are currently interviewing for the 7th Bassett class at this point, so things may have changed since I went through the program.

Basically, the Bassett track differs from the main PS track with one year - the major clinical year (MCY) or the year of general clerkship electives (i.e. peds, surgery, ob-gyn, etc.) This training is done in upstate NY in Cooperstown, about 4-5 hrs north of NYC. So for your first 1.5 years you will be with the rest of the PS class in NYC, then spend a year in Cooperstown, and then the last 1.5 years you will be doing your Step 1 studying, Scholarly Project, and senior electives just like any other PS student (with the exception that you HAVE to do a certain number of electives at NYPH - maybe 3?)

The Bassett MCY is also very different from the vast majority of clinical years at other medical schools. It's a longitudinal set up such that you don't do your rotations in monthly (mostly inpatient) blocks, but everything throughout the year in mostly outpatient clinics. This means for instance you might be in Ob-Gyn clinic Monday morning and then in the afternoon in Peds clinic. The next day you might be in the OR with surgery.

PROs and CONs (depending on your point of view):
- you are paired with an attending for each specialty for the entire year and have the potential to form very strong relationships with them (for instance, I worked with my Peds attending throughout the year from January to December - none of my attendings invited me for dinner at the houses, but a couple of my classmates definitely were invited by theirs!)
- you can also form longitudinal relationships with patients and follow them to their outpatient appointments or surgeries throughout the year, excusing yourself from your regularly scheduled outpatient clinics to do so (for instance, I was able to follow the same patient from her first prenatal visit at 14 weeks and was also there when she delivered). you could also follow one of your general medicine clinic patients to all of his subspeciality appointments (endo, cardio, ortho, etc.)
- you work one-on-one with an attending - no residents or other medical students to compete with for the most part. bassett only has surgery and medicine residents, but it's very rare that you'll have to work with a medicine resident during an outpatient clinic. from what i remember, you'll still see the surgery residents in outpatient clinic though. but otherwise you'll present directly to your attendings and learn from them directly too.
- because it's pretty much one student, one attending, a lot of stress that comes from worrying about "gunners" just isn't applicable
- you get a lot of experience in the outpatient setting, although at the expense of inpatient experience. for instance, instead of maybe getting around 8 full weeks of inpatient medicine as you would in other programs, you only get 2 full weeks at the beginning and then another week later on. of everything that might have changed, there might be the most changes in how they are balancing this out, so i probably do not have the most up-to-date information on the specifics.
- there is a lot of flexibility - near the end of your year, if you decide you want to go into neuro for instance, you can ask to have more neuro clinics scheduled instead of your other clinics. if you want an additional inpatient week of surgery or medicine, you can also get this scheduled in. everyone is super friendly and in theory, you can ALWAYS show up to do more - if you wanted to deliver a 100 babies by the end of the year, you easily could if you wanted to go in on your own to the L&D floor. similarly, you can always scrub into cases into the OR. in practice, people like taking breaks and you will more likely spend your free time studying or doing other fun, non-medicine things.
- you can schedule your own vacation dates as you choose throughout the year. one bassett student got married in the summer and saved up the vacation days for a two week honeymoon in the summer. other students spread them out to have a lot of 3 and 4 day weekends. for the most part, you always will have your weekends free.
- because so much of your time is spent in outpatient clinics, Bassett has a reputation as being a program for primary care oriented students. in reality, there is no pressure from the program to pursue residency in a primary care field, and out of the two classes of students who have already matched (2014, 2015), i think only two went into family med and one into peds (a decent number into internal med, but as far as i know, not with a primary care focus). otherwise students have matched into urology, anesthesiology, EM, etc. i think this year there are students applying into ENT, dermatology, and general surgery in addition to all of the other fields.
- there is (or at least was!) a $30,000 a year scholarship given to all Bassett students for their four years
- there was no statistical difference in shelf scores between the Bassett track students and the main class - sometimes we did better on average, sometimes we did worse.
- you get to live in a house at rates much cheaper than a NYC apartment
- baseball hall of fame, farmer's markets, maple syrup dispensaries, county fairs, and Game of Thrones licensed beer from the nearby ommegang brewery
- inpatient peds experience was very light - Bassett Hospital doesn't really have a big inpatient peds service, so there just isn't as much opportunity for exposure to that
- even the surgeons are really nice!

The Bassett track is definitely not for everyone. Cooperstown is pretty quiet, although it's great if you love the outdoors. I had a great group of friends up there in my class, but it can also be isolating for others in that you are going to be up there for an entire year with only 9 other classmates. If you love city life, I would definitely advise you against doing this track. I imagine that out of the first two classes, there might be 1-2 people who in retrospect would have wanted to do the main track program instead. For me, I would choose this track again in a heartbeat. I had heard how dehumanizing and depressing the clinical year can be for medical students everywhere, but my year in Cooperstown really was great and I think I would have been much much more stressed had I been at the main campus.

Hope this is helpful!
 
Hello! Made an account just to answer questions about the Bassett track, having gone through it myself. Let me know if you have any questions about the program. Full disclosure - I'm a member of the 2nd Bassett class and I think they are currently interviewing for the 7th Bassett class at this point, so things may have changed since I went through the program.

Basically, the Bassett track differs from the main PS track with one year - the major clinical year (MCY) or the year of general clerkship electives (i.e. peds, surgery, ob-gyn, etc.) This training is done in upstate NY in Cooperstown, about 4-5 hrs north of NYC. So for your first 1.5 years you will be with the rest of the PS class in NYC, then spend a year in Cooperstown, and then the last 1.5 years you will be doing your Step 1 studying, Scholarly Project, and senior electives just like any other PS student (with the exception that you HAVE to do a certain number of electives at NYPH - maybe 3?)

The Bassett MCY is also very different from the vast majority of clinical years at other medical schools. It's a longitudinal set up such that you don't do your rotations in monthly (mostly inpatient) blocks, but everything throughout the year in mostly outpatient clinics. This means for instance you might be in Ob-Gyn clinic Monday morning and then in the afternoon in Peds clinic. The next day you might be in the OR with surgery.

PROs and CONs (depending on your point of view):
- you are paired with an attending for each specialty for the entire year and have the potential to form very strong relationships with them (for instance, I worked with my Peds attending throughout the year from January to December - none of my attendings invited me for dinner at the houses, but a couple of my classmates definitely were invited by theirs!)
- you can also form longitudinal relationships with patients and follow them to their outpatient appointments or surgeries throughout the year, excusing yourself from your regularly scheduled outpatient clinics to do so (for instance, I was able to follow the same patient from her first prenatal visit at 14 weeks and was also there when she delivered). you could also follow one of your general medicine clinic patients to all of his subspeciality appointments (endo, cardio, ortho, etc.)
- you work one-on-one with an attending - no residents or other medical students to compete with for the most part. bassett only has surgery and medicine residents, but it's very rare that you'll have to work with a medicine resident during an outpatient clinic. from what i remember, you'll still see the surgery residents in outpatient clinic though. but otherwise you'll present directly to your attendings and learn from them directly too.
- because it's pretty much one student, one attending, a lot of stress that comes from worrying about "gunners" just isn't applicable
- you get a lot of experience in the outpatient setting, although at the expense of inpatient experience. for instance, instead of maybe getting around 8 full weeks of inpatient medicine as you would in other programs, you only get 2 full weeks at the beginning and then another week later on. of everything that might have changed, there might be the most changes in how they are balancing this out, so i probably do not have the most up-to-date information on the specifics.
- there is a lot of flexibility - near the end of your year, if you decide you want to go into neuro for instance, you can ask to have more neuro clinics scheduled instead of your other clinics. if you want an additional inpatient week of surgery or medicine, you can also get this scheduled in. everyone is super friendly and in theory, you can ALWAYS show up to do more - if you wanted to deliver a 100 babies by the end of the year, you easily could if you wanted to go in on your own to the L&D floor. similarly, you can always scrub into cases into the OR. in practice, people like taking breaks and you will more likely spend your free time studying or doing other fun, non-medicine things.
- you can schedule your own vacation dates as you choose throughout the year. one bassett student got married in the summer and saved up the vacation days for a two week honeymoon in the summer. other students spread them out to have a lot of 3 and 4 day weekends. for the most part, you always will have your weekends free.
- because so much of your time is spent in outpatient clinics, Bassett has a reputation as being a program for primary care oriented students. in reality, there is no pressure from the program to pursue residency in a primary care field, and out of the two classes of students who have already matched (2014, 2015), i think only two went into family med and one into peds (a decent number into internal med, but as far as i know, not with a primary care focus). otherwise students have matched into urology, anesthesiology, EM, etc. i think this year there are students applying into ENT, dermatology, and general surgery in addition to all of the other fields.
- there is (or at least was!) a $30,000 a year scholarship given to all Bassett students for their four years
- there was no statistical difference in shelf scores between the Bassett track students and the main class - sometimes we did better on average, sometimes we did worse.
- you get to live in a house at rates much cheaper than a NYC apartment
- baseball hall of fame, farmer's markets, maple syrup dispensaries, county fairs, and Game of Thrones licensed beer from the nearby ommegang brewery
- inpatient peds experience was very light - Bassett Hospital doesn't really have a big inpatient peds service, so there just isn't as much opportunity for exposure to that
- even the surgeons are really nice!

The Bassett track is definitely not for everyone. Cooperstown is pretty quiet, although it's great if you love the outdoors. I had a great group of friends up there in my class, but it can also be isolating for others in that you are going to be up there for an entire year with only 9 other classmates. If you love city life, I would definitely advise you against doing this track. I imagine that out of the first two classes, there might be 1-2 people who in retrospect would have wanted to do the main track program instead. For me, I would choose this track again in a heartbeat. I had heard how dehumanizing and depressing the clinical year can be for medical students everywhere, but my year in Cooperstown really was great and I think I would have been much much more stressed had I been at the main campus.

Hope this is helpful!

Very cool - thanks for sharing. Do you think one would get sufficient experience (and ref letters) to support a neurosurg residency application?
 
Very cool - thanks for sharing. Do you think one would get sufficient experience (and ref letters) to support a neurosurg residency application?

in regards to ref letters: don't know as much about neurosurgery residency applications, but if it's anything like other competitive surgical subspecialities, they often like a lot of letters from people in their department (i.e. if you're going into ENT, you should have 3 ENT letters). i would imagine that if anything, you maybe would need a letter from your surgery preceptor (if that), but beyond that, you wouldn't be getting letters from your MCY attendings, regardless of whether you did Bassett or the main track program or med school anywhere else. rather, maybe you would do a neurosurgery elective at NYPH, and two more as aways at other sites, and would get letters from all of them. and if you did need a surgery letter, i would imagine that your attending at bassett would know you much better than an attending who you don't really see that much over an eight week period. but i don't know really know - you could try perusing the SDN neurosurgery boards to figure out more info about the application process and LOR requirements.

in regards to experience: i don't know how much neurosurg experience one would get in a traditional clerkship year anywhere (that is, i think it would be relatively minimal - it seems like something you do in your senior electives, and might be a reason for you to prioritize any med school with a 1.5 year preclinical curriculum). i believe they perform neurosurgeries at bassett , so if anything, you might be able to get MORE OR experience with it during your MCY than you would elsewhere, but i'd ask on your interview day though - i'm not sure how many neurosurgeons operate at bassett now.

in summary, for any of the competitive residency fields, i think it's much more dependent on your last 1.5 years of med school rather than your year of clerkships, so i don't think the fact that you want to do neurosurg should impact your decision to choose bassett too much. rather, i would consider whether you are confident that you would be happy there - if you are going to be constantly worried that you're giving up the name and prestige of doing a year at NYPH instead during your whole year in cooperstown, it might not be worth the tax on your sanity.

dunno - we did have someone who matched in urology which is one of the surgical subspecialties. i'm sure that it helped that he took advantage of the urologists at bassett and got as much facetime and OR experience with them as he could.
 
lol.. im not the average gunner (or a gunner even)..but I do have a phd wherein i did a lot of neuro, so it would be nice to do a specialty where i can still do that.

Don't mind that guy. He seems to be one of those internet bullies.
 
Don't mind that guy. He seems to be one of those internet bullies.
Lol what? That wasn't even mean. Chill man. All in good fun, people should be a little lighthearted sometimes. Plus, that's a great med school parody to watch anyway.
 
lol.. im not the average gunner (or a gunner even)..but I do have a phd wherein i did a lot of neuro, so it would be nice to do a specialty where i can still do that.
Haha yeah that makes sense. I was just having some fun is all 😉
 
To those who are applying to the PhD to MD program, just got off the phone with admissions, they said that all 3 year applicants are under review currently. There are specific interview dates for the PhD to MD program and NO interview invites have been sent to those applying to the 3 year program thus far. The office would not give the date when IIs would go out, but from the previous years posts, it looks like interviews were in December or so. 3-5 applicants admitted per cycle. No data on how many applicants etc.
 
3-5 applicants admitted this cycle, and there appear to be about 5 of us in this thread alone. Nice odds.
 
To those who are applying to the PhD to MD program, just got off the phone with admissions, they said that all 3 year applicants are under review currently.

Thanks for calling and letting the rest of us know!
 
To those who are applying to the PhD to MD program, just got off the phone with admissions, they said that all 3 year applicants are under review currently. There are specific interview dates for the PhD to MD program and NO interview invites have been sent to those applying to the 3 year program thus far. The office would not give the date when IIs would go out, but from the previous years posts, it looks like interviews were in December or so. 3-5 applicants admitted per cycle. No data on how many applicants etc.

I wonder if the Bassett program is working in a similar way since applicants have to go up to Cooperstown and then back to the city for their interviews.
 
Hey - can anyone who interviewed write about how the interview went? aka open/closed file, questions asked, really intense/laidback, etc? Thanks! Recognizes it differs from interviewer to interviewer but trying to get a feel for what i'm in for.
 
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Hey - has anyone who interviewed write about how the interview went? aka open/closed file, questions asked, really intense/laidback, etc? Thanks! Recognizes it differs from interviewer to interviewer but trying to get a feel for what i'm in for.

It is technically open file, but my interviewer admitted he doesn't like to read the files until after he talks to the students. Very, VERY relaxed day overall. Current students popped into the interview suite all day (ranging from MS1 to MS4) just to say good luck and talk about why they love P&S. I would not be worried about the interview portion, it seemed like everyone felt as relaxed as me even with different professors interviewing them. Good luck!
 
Does anyone who interviewed here know what time we are supposed to check in? On the schedule they have online it says breakfast is from 8:15-9 am and morning interviews follow right after. Is the breakfast something where you have to arrive right at or before 8:15 or anytime between 8:15 and 9 am?
 
Does anyone who interviewed here know what time we are supposed to check in? On the schedule they have online it says breakfast is from 8:15-9 am and morning interviews follow right after. Is the breakfast something where you have to arrive right at or before 8:15 or anytime between 8:15 and 9 am?

I would get there by 8:15.
 

http://www.kmbz.com/Top-Hospital-Reverses-Decision-on-Closing-Family-M/22065883

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What are the earliest available interview dates at this point?
 
Question, does anyones portals say complete? Under status the last line item I have is LOR received. Just making sure everything went through their system ok. Also congrats @salsa112230 !
 
What are the earliest available interview dates at this point?

The ones available to me are second and third week of November and first and second week of December

Question, does anyones portals say complete? Under status the last line item I have is LOR received. Just making sure everything went through their system ok. Also congrats @salsa112230 !

Thank you!
 
I'm wondering whether Columbia holds off interview invitations for PhD to MD program until the application deadline. I feel this way because the applicant pool is very low for this 3 year program relative to the regular MD program. I have not heard of anyone getting an interview for the 3 year program thus far. Wonder if @LizzyM can chime in or anyone with more information?

Hello! I can't speak to this program specifically but PhD programs themselves tend to have deadlines in December and bring applicants in for interviews in Jan/Feb. It could be that the PhD decision makers are running on that calendar rather than the more traditional MD admissions calendar.

I guess then it is 3-year program or bust? Would there even be any seats left to be considered for the standard 4-year track if you did not qualify for the 3 year that late in the game?
 
I guess then it is 3-year program or bust? Would there even be any seats left to be considered for the standard 4-year track if you did not qualify for the 3 year that late in the game?
I'm sure there are, but fewer for sure. You are right though, because apps for the 3 year program are reviewed so late in the cycle, it doesn't leave us with much wiggle room to be reviewed for the 4 year program. Great point.
 
http://columbiaspectator.com/news/2...everses-decision-close-family-medicine-center

Yeah, but according to the reporting on this article, it seems like Columbia doesn't care about primary care

I can't comment on anything with any certainty, and this only represents my personal opinion, but I think everyone at Columbia really does care about primary care, but the upper echelon of hospital administrators of CUMC or NYP (really unclear to me which) may not be as invested in it for some (possibly financial) reason. Again, can't say anything for certain, but these are the vibes I'm getting from students and faculty. Other students likely know more than I do about this issue, so I encourage them to chime in.
 
http://columbiaspectator.com/news/2...everses-decision-close-family-medicine-center

Yeah, but according to the reporting on this article, it seems like Columbia doesn't care about primary care
Current student here, so I'll chime in with my own 2 cents:

IMO Columbia, if anything, cares very much about primary care. One thing that has been made very clear in the student/faculty response to the premature/ill-advised notice/possibility of closure is that we care very much about family medicine and primary care in general. What's interesting is that relatively few columbia kids actually go into family medicine specifically, yet we reacted very strongly (and rightly so) to the news. So strongly, in fact, that the decision was reversed roughly 24 hours after we heard first wind about it. I think columbia students are privileged to go to a school that does care so strongly about primary care (most student-run clinics anywhere in the country*, numerous FCM preceptors are family med docs, current fourth years picked family med doc as class day speaker, etc), and that atmosphere has a tremendous influence on the way that we are all taught to approach patient interactions and longitudinal care regardless of specialty (yes, surgeons have longitudinal patients too!). I, for one, don't really plan on going into primary care, yet my involvement in a student-run clinic (with a family med preceptor) is easily one of the highlights of my time here so far. So yea, I think Columbia cares about primary care.

It's also important to recognize that P&S =/= NYPH. While the deans/bosses/head honchos of both institutions are clearly buddies who make decisions with each other in the room, I wouldn't say that one's actions necessarily reflect the other's. And, while this decision definitely would have affected medical students in some way or another (although the extent of that effect is very hard to determine), the residency program isn't actually a part of P&S. All of the P&S-owned family med programs were safe, or so I've been told by a faculty member.

I think the take home message for applicants is that the student body cares very much about the future of family medicine, both in our education and in american health care at large.

*this was true last I checked, which wasn't tonight. Normally I provide citations for claims that strong, but I have some lectures to catch up on 😛
 
I submitted my request for a student host over a month ago and still no host. Interview is in less than a week. Should I just give up or can I email/call admissions? Anyone in this boat?
 
I submitted my request for a student host over a month ago and still no host. Interview is in less than a week. Should I just give up or can I email/call admissions? Anyone in this boat?

Call admissions tomorrow and see if they can do anything (but be polite obviously).

If your interview is on Tuesday, it's possible that not too many students are willing to host that night because all the first years have an exam that morning.
 
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