2015-2016 Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences Application Thread

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It's a really bizarre outcome, and definitely makes the lack of transparency in the entire process aggravating.
The thing that frustrates me the most is the extremely disappointing amount of feedback from last cycle. I got a 2 sentence email that said I looked good and to get at least one new recommendation letter. I got 3 new ones.

What's worse is I have heard others say they got great feedback on what to improve.


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Any prior enlisted accepted this year? Looking forward to meeting everyone. Active AF Pararescueman, excited for the new journey.
 
It's a really bizarre outcome, and definitely makes the lack of transparency in the entire process aggravating.

Indeed!! I always feel this proces has a part that is plain competition and aspects that are just driven by chance. Its unfortunate for all of us.... But hey, what can we do?
 
Any prior enlisted accepted this year? Looking forward to meeting everyone. Active AF Pararescueman, excited for the new journey.


Congratulations! I am not prior service but my husband is an ARMY sergeant (enlisted). Hopes are up and if accepted, I definitelly look forward to meeting everyone!
 
Congratulations! I am not prior service but my husband is an ARMY sergeant (enlisted). Hopes are up and if accepted, I definitelly look forward to meeting everyone!

Are you me?! My husband is an Army SGT as well. Was Army your top choice then?
 
Are you me?! My husband is an Army SGT as well. Was Army your top choice then?

Hahaha. Im pretty sure Im me... Unless you are me which makes me you! Hahaha. Nice! My 2 choices are Air Force and Army. I identify mysef more with the AF and its role in the service, but at the same time I have the loyalty of years with the ARMY. So, whichever branch is available for me, I will accept with honor.
 
Congratulations! I am not prior service but my husband is an ARMY sergeant (enlisted). Hopes are up and if accepted, I definitelly look forward to meeting everyone!
CosmicGenes, did you interview on December 3rd? I think I sat near you during the dinner the night before! Fingers crossed we hear something relatively soon. LTC Saguil told a few of us stragglers at the end of the day that it'd be 8-12 weeks at least, which puts us at January 28 to possibly hear something!
 
CosmicGenes, did you interview on December 3rd? I think I sat near you during the dinner the night before! Fingers crossed we hear something relatively soon. LTC Saguil told a few of us stragglers at the end of the day that it'd be 8-12 weeks at least, which puts us at January 28 to possibly hear something!


Yes!! That was me!! If your name is Morgan, I ndefinitely remember you! I was one of the stragglers that day and yes... He mentioned the 8-10 and the admissions officer in the front mentioned 6-10. Since this is week #6, im just prepared to hear something starting this week and ending second week of February give or take. Im sure the class is full by now so our fate is in being on the top of the waiting list (since its based on ranking) or to have the luck of an oppening while our file was reviewed.

I personally feel excited and hopeful. Not yet discouraged at all. Although, waiting for something so important has been rather stressful. I am glad to hear from you! I will try to send you a PM with my email so we can keep in touch. I communicated today with another one of our interview colleagues. She is doing well and as expected, has not heard from USUHS yet. Good luck, and hope we all hear some good news soon!!!!!
 
The thing that frustrates me the most is the extremely disappointing amount of feedback from last cycle. I got a 2 sentence email that said I looked good and to get at least one new recommendation letter. I got 3 new ones.

What's worse is I have heard others say they got great feedback on what to improve.


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Hopefully that will not be the case for me this year. I am sure they will want me to retake the MCAT but I am hoping that is the only thing. Getting new letters might be difficult since I am not taking any more non-science classes and I really do not want to waste money to take a class just for a LOR. Previous non-science professor retired and left no other email or number for me to contact him with.
 
Hopefully that will not be the case for me this year. I am sure they will want me to retake the MCAT but I am hoping that is the only thing. Getting new letters might be difficult since I am not taking any more non-science classes and I really do not want to waste money to take a class just for a LOR. Previous non-science professor retired and left no other email or number for me to contact him with.


Try doing some volunteer work and get an LOR from them. Also, all letters submitted this cycle can be re-used for the next since USUHS will keep them in the system. You just have to make a note of it in your next supplemental materials and they will pull them out before passing your application to the committee. Good luck!!
 
Try doing some volunteer work and get an LOR from them. Also, all letters submitted this cycle can be re-used for the next since USUHS will keep them in the system. You just have to make a note of it in your next supplemental materials and they will pull them out before passing your application to the committee. Good luck!!

Awesome, thanks for the information! I have already expanded my volunteering beyond the local ER to a few additional clinics. Waiting for an AF retired flight surgeon to get back to me on if I can shadow at his practice. I was just concerned if they would want all new ones or just one or two new ones.
 
Awesome, thanks for the information! I have already expanded my volunteering beyond the local ER to a few additional clinics. Waiting for an AF retired flight surgeon to get back to me on if I can shadow at his practice. I was just concerned if they would want all new ones or just one or two new ones.


That sounds great!
 
Jeeeeze. I was gone on a business trip for a few days and I missed so much! Welcome to the SDN newcomers!

I have to say, that one guy on the previous page who was really trying to scare people away from USUHS so he could get a slot was amusing. Although terribly inaccurate. @Red Lobster Actual did a great job clarifying most points, though!

But I do have to say this: The "force feeding" in GTMO is a result of Geneva conventions. I was in GTMO for nearly two years and witnessed many of the force feedings. Believe me, it's done for the good of the detainee's. Occasionally they will go on hunger strikes "until they are released" or "until they are allowed to.... (criteria)..." which is always something absurd. We allow them to hunger strike, as it is their right to do so. However, there is a nutritionist who closely monitor's their well-being and if they start to dip into unhealthy conditions, then we have to feed them. We can't let them starve to death, that's inhumane.
 
I think I may have suffered by not taking the new MCAT even though I was told it wouldn't matter (33 on the old one).


Very possible. Col Saguil is Vice Chair of the AAMC’s MCAT Validity Committee. I am sure the new MCAT was important.

Without access to practice tests/validated scores for the practice tests, it seemed impossible to prepare for the test effectively. I guess it was kind of impossible to prevent some of the issues related to the new test? I ended up not retaking the test and will be going to my state school. Really hard to give up on USU though. Things happen for a reason I guess?
 
Very possible. Col Saguil is Vice Chair of the AAMC’s MCAT Validity Committee. I am sure the new MCAT was important.

Without access to practice tests/validated scores for the practice tests, it seemed impossible to prepare for the test effectively. I guess it was kind of impossible to prevent some of the issues related to the new test? I ended up not retaking the test and will be going to my state school. Really hard to give up on USU though. Things happen for a reason I guess?
Agreed. I am not going to medical school this year and although that is disheartening, I can't say that the things that caused that are all bad. Some of them are for sure but I digress.

The frustrating part is that I explicitly asked about everything and the answers were pretty unhelpful. That's not something I experienced throughout the application process initially so it came as a surprise. What's meant to be I suppose...


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Gosh. I am sorry for planting seeds of doubt! I just remember reading that he was in that role, so I figured that he would value the test.

My theory is that the volatility of civilian medicine, the insane costs of other schools, and the increasing ranking of USU, must be a part of the reason people are holding on to their acceptances, making it harder to get into this school. Best of luck to all those on the waitlist!

@Glycerine
You are still planning to go to medical school right? Will you reapply to USU? I wish the best for you!
 
@Glycerine
You are still planning to go to medical school right? Will you reapply to USU? I wish the best for you!

Due to a mess up (not related to USU) by my medical corps recruiter, I can't go this year. USU was my only viable alternative and with no II yet by the end of the year I had to be realistic. I'm up for orders to deploy again and couldn't delay the process any longer.

Long story short, although I was accepted I can't attend this year because of someone's administrative error. Next year is unlikely due to deployment.

We will see. It's still my dream but from what I hear once you turn down an acceptance your chances of ever being accepted again somewhere plummet.


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Due to a mess up (not related to USU) by my medical corps recruiter, I can't go this year. USU was my only viable alternative and with no II yet by the end of the year I had to be realistic. I'm up for orders to deploy again and couldn't delay the process any longer.

Long story short, although I was accepted I can't attend this year because of someone's administrative error. Next year is unlikely due to deployment.

We will see. It's still my dream but from what I hear once you turn down an acceptance your chances of ever being accepted again somewhere plummet.


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Wow, im sorry to hear that someone elses mistake caused had such consequenses. I hope you return safe from your deployment and thank you for your service. My good vibes go your way and I hope at the end it all works out in your favor.
 
Has anyone sent in a LOR this late? The medical director of the clinic I work at offered to write one for me, and I wasn't sure if I should just have him send it straight to USUHS or if it has to go through AMCAS. If I ask him to send it to USUHS, should I have him include my AMCAS ID? I sent an email to admissions but it took them over a week to get back to me and they still weren't really clear so I don't want to keep bugging them as I know they are busy right now. Any help? What do you guys think?
 
Hello everyone! I lost the sheet that had all the interview days of this cycle. Does anyone knows what was the date of the last group that interviewed in November? Thank you!
 
Hello fellow SDNers,

I have made the tough decision to withdraw my application from USUHS. While this is a great school with an extraordinary staff, I do not believe military medicine is right for me. This was a very tough decision for me and I would like to give my two cents to anyone struggling with the same decision.

Military medicine is truly a different breed of medicine. The internet appears to be flooded with a bimodal distribution of interpretations of those who love it and those who hate it. You can make an argument for or against it very easily. Some of the biggest positive to me were the purpose, comradery, patient population, and debt free education. The cons however won me over with one of the biggest being limited control over your career. Yes the military will never force you to "do a speciality you do not like" but they can force you to do fleet work performing minimally demanding work in a position with minimal staff and control over your clinic even after you are board certified. If the military needs a position filled, they are going to get it. I know many argue this is unlikely and indeed it might be, but there are numerous threads out there arguing the opposite. Yes, having a paid medical education is very enticing but the commitment is very long. On average it has to be around 14-15 years from the time you start medical school to the time your done assuming you do an average 3 year residence with intermittent operational tours. This is a very long time and given how much my views have changed over the last couple of years not to mention the last decade, how can I know what I will want in life in 10-15 years or even 4 years. Maybe a specific career, speciality choice that is not offered in the military, family, or location close to family. To me, the loss of complete control over your career for 15 years is very hard to swallow. The good news is if I still have a burning desire to enter the military after I have complete the residence program of my choice without deferment to, I can do it with a decent sign on bonus to pay of any lingering loans.

In conclusion, I believe USUHS is for those who are dead set on military medicine. Yes you will unlikely have one of those SDNerhorror stories, but if you do not know what you are getting into you very well might. If you enjoy the military and all of the love and hate that comes with it, USUHS is the perfect school and has some amazing opportunities to accomplish that goal. In the end, I think all of the evidence points toward physician retention rates. It is again bimodal with some doctors servering the rest of their career activity duty while you see people dropping off 17-18 years right before retirement. It should be known that a large group of those that go through HPSP or USU remain helping veterans in the VA and other facilities. These are some of the best people our country has to offer. With this, you will likely really hate it or really love it. Be sure with your decision and do it for what you want out of life knowing why your doing it and the commitment you must fulfill.

Otherwise I hope everyone good luck and this country appreciated everyone who is willing to make the commitment. We all know the commitment it takes just to pursue a medical career in general on top of a military one as well.

Good Luck!
 
Hello fellow SDNers,

I have made the tough decision to withdraw my application from USUHS. While this is a great school with an extraordinary staff, I do not believe military medicine is right for me. This was a very tough decision for me and I would like to give my two cents to anyone struggling with the same decision.

Military medicine is truly a different breed of medicine. The internet appears to be flooded with a bimodal distribution of interpretations of those who love it and those who hate it. You can make an argument for or against it very easily. Some of the biggest positive to me were the purpose, comradery, patient population, and debt free education. The cons however won me over with one of the biggest being limited control over your career. Yes the military will never force you to "do a speciality you do not like" but they can force you to do fleet work performing minimally demanding work in a position with minimal staff and control over your clinic even after you are board certified. If the military needs a position filled, they are going to get it. I know many argue this is unlikely and indeed it might be, but there are numerous threads out there arguing the opposite. Yes, having a paid medical education is very enticing but the commitment is very long. On average it has to be around 14-15 years from the time you start medical school to the time your done assuming you do an average 3 year residence with intermittent operational tours. This is a very long time and given how much my views have changed over the last couple of years not to mention the last decade, how can I know what I will want in life in 10-15 years or even 4 years. Maybe a specific career, speciality choice that is not offered in the military, family, or location close to family. To me, the loss of complete control over your career for 15 years is very hard to swallow. The good news is if I still have a burning desire to enter the military after I have complete the residence program of my choice without deferment to, I can do it with a decent sign on bonus to pay of any lingering loans.

In conclusion, I believe USUHS is for those who are dead set on military medicine. Yes you will unlikely have one of those SDNerhorror stories, but if you do not know what you are getting into you very well might. If you enjoy the military and all of the love and hate that comes with it, USUHS is the perfect school and has some amazing opportunities to accomplish that goal. In the end, I think all of the evidence points toward physician retention rates. It is again bimodal with some doctors servering the rest of their career activity duty while you see people dropping off 17-18 years right before retirement. It should be known that a large group of those that go through HPSP or USU remain helping veterans in the VA and other facilities. These are some of the best people our country has to offer. With this, you will likely really hate it or really love it. Be sure with your decision and do it for what you want out of life knowing why your doing it and the commitment you must fulfill.

Otherwise I hope everyone good luck and this country appreciated everyone who is willing to make the commitment. We all know the commitment it takes just to pursue a medical career in general on top of a military one as well.

Good Luck!




Very well said and thank you for your good wishes. I am 100% sure that USUHS and military medicine is the place for me, for that I only applied to USUHS. With this said, I still agree 100% with your statement and concerns. Its a very important life and career decision that needs to be thought through thoroughly. I am glad you have found your standing and that tou are sure of your life goals, having that perspective is crucial to the enjoyment of your education and your work. I wish you all the best of luck with your future endeavours!
 
Due to a mess up (not related to USU) by my medical corps recruiter, I can't go this year. USU was my only viable alternative and with no II yet by the end of the year I had to be realistic. I'm up for orders to deploy again and couldn't delay the process any longer.

Long story short, although I was accepted I can't attend this year because of someone's administrative error. Next year is unlikely due to deployment.

We will see. It's still my dream but from what I hear once you turn down an acceptance your chances of ever being accepted again somewhere plummet.


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That sucks, hopefully you can apply again following your deployment. Do you think there might be a possibility of doing a VTC interview since you are AD Navy and on deployment if you could apply this next cycle to USUHS only?
 
I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place to ask this, but I'm not sure where else to ask...

Anyway, I'm looking at the schedule of joining the AF and attending USUHS and don't understand how anybody who isn't single is supposed to make the move work.

Here's the situation: AF COT dates are June 27 to July 29, I've been told I'll receive orders at most about a week before June 27, and you can't arrange for TMO to come before you get orders. After COT they give you 3 travel days to get from Alabama to Maryland, then you report in August 1 for orientation. How and when am I supposed to move my family/stuff/vehicles/dogs to Maryland if I'm busy at orientation the whole time? I've heard the orientation schedule is light so you have time to house hunt, but you still have to report in. Do they let you take leave during orientation before class starts?

The military will not pay to transport a vehicle, so the only way I can get 2 vehicles from the Northwest to Maryland is by driving them myself (probably one towing the other) or paying out of pocket around $1000/vehicle to ship them. I should add that I know my wife can help, but she will have a 3 month old baby to deal with, so driving across the country alone probably isn't a good option for her.

I am prior service and when I PCSd before they gave me plenty of travel days to get where I needed to. On top of that they gave out about 8 days of permissive TDY once you got to a new duty station to give you time to house hunt. I know money is tight everywhere and the gov't doesn't want to waste money, but it seems like they are cramming all these dates too close together to allow time to get my stuff across the country.

Any current USUHS students following this have similar experiences and make it work? Any advice? Am I just worrying too much (it's been known to happen)? Also, out of curiosity, do you get BAH while in COT? If so is it the Bethesda rate or is it the Maxwell-Gunter rate?

Thanks and good luck to everybody still hoping for a spot.
 
I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place to ask this, but I'm not sure where else to ask...

Anyway, I'm looking at the schedule of joining the AF and attending USUHS and don't understand how anybody who isn't single is supposed to make the move work.

Here's the situation: AF COT dates are June 27 to July 29, I've been told I'll receive orders at most about a week before June 27, and you can't arrange for TMO to come before you get orders. After COT they give you 3 travel days to get from Alabama to Maryland, then you report in August 1 for orientation. How and when am I supposed to move my family/stuff/vehicles/dogs to Maryland if I'm busy at orientation the whole time? I've heard the orientation schedule is light so you have time to house hunt, but you still have to report in. Do they let you take leave during orientation before class starts?

The military will not pay to transport a vehicle, so the only way I can get 2 vehicles from the Northwest to Maryland is by driving them myself (probably one towing the other) or paying out of pocket around $1000/vehicle to ship them. I should add that I know my wife can help, but she will have a 3 month old baby to deal with, so driving across the country alone probably isn't a good option for her.

I am prior service and when I PCSd before they gave me plenty of travel days to get where I needed to. On top of that they gave out about 8 days of permissive TDY once you got to a new duty station to give you time to house hunt. I know money is tight everywhere and the gov't doesn't want to waste money, but it seems like they are cramming all these dates too close together to allow time to get my stuff across the country.

Any current USUHS students following this have similar experiences and make it work? Any advice? Am I just worrying too much (it's been known to happen)? Also, out of curiosity, do you get BAH while in COT? If so is it the Bethesda rate or is it the Maxwell-Gunter rate?

Thanks and good luck to everybody still hoping for a spot.

Congrats on your acceptance!

Uh...so I actually do not have any specific advice on your situation but since you are planning now I believe you can contact the Admissions Office and they can put you in touch with a current medical student that has done what you are planning on. Plus there should be a Facebook group that is forming for your class and you can get in on that as well and ask for specifics.
 
Pm me, I've been talking with a first year and can forward you his email explaining how he moved. It IS hectic though.
 
Due to a mess up (not related to USU) by my medical corps recruiter, I can't go this year. USU was my only viable alternative and with no II yet by the end of the year I had to be realistic. I'm up for orders to deploy again and couldn't delay the process any longer.

Long story short, although I was accepted I can't attend this year because of someone's administrative error. Next year is unlikely due to deployment.

We will see. It's still my dream but from what I hear once you turn down an acceptance your chances of ever being accepted again somewhere plummet.


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Can you not request a one year deferment? Or will that run into your deployment as well? I'm sort of in the same boat. I either attend med school in the fall or get deployed in December.
 
Can you not request a one year deferment? Or will that run into your deployment as well? I'm sort of in the same boat. I either attend med school in the fall or get deployed in December.
I am deferring for a year but there is about a 95% chance my deployment will still be going when school would start in 2017. We shall see!


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I am deferring for a year but there is about a 95% chance my deployment will still be going when school would start in 2017. We shall see!


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I've been told they would send me back if we weren't done by then. Gah... I sure hope it works out for you. Good luck!
 
wait... so usuhs won't ship our cars before the school starts? my student host told me the school does it, but someone else just told me the school doesn't.... i really don't wanna freaking drive from the west coast to usuhs...
 
wait... so usuhs won't ship our cars before the school starts? my student host told me the school does it, but someone else just told me the school doesn't.... i really don't wanna freaking drive from the west coast to usuhs...
But it sounds like fun. I was planning on driving if I got accepted.
 
wait... so usuhs won't ship our cars before the school starts? my student host told me the school does it, but someone else just told me the school doesn't.... i really don't wanna freaking drive from the west coast to usuhs...
It depends on when you get your orders. Once you get your orders you start working with the movers, typically 30 days prior. The issue is, most of us will be in COTS for the 30 days immediately preceding matriculation at USUHS. It's tough to work with the movers i.e. schedule them to come, pack everything up, unpack everything, if you're at your training location.
 
As far as I know the only time the military will ship your vehicle (only one vehicle, never more) is when you're going from CONUS to OCONUS/overseas or vice versa, although I bet there are exceptions for the exceptionally high ranking. That is not to say they won't pay for movers-they absolutely will as long is it's arranged through TMO after you get orders.

Edit: However, they will reimburse you per mile to drive there, but that starts getting tricky like nontraditionalengineer said with the timing of when you get your orders and go to officer training.
 
As far as I know the only time the military will ship your vehicle (only one vehicle, never more) is when you're going from CONUS to OCONUS/overseas or vice versa, although I bet there are exceptions for the exceptionally high ranking. That is not to say they won't pay for movers-they absolutely will as long is it's arranged through TMO after you get orders.

Edit: However, they will reimburse you per mile to drive there, but that starts getting tricky like nontraditionalengineer said with the timing of when you get your orders and go to officer training.
They will ship your car. You're allowed a total household weight for each move. Your car counts against your weight if you choose to have it shipped.
 
They will ship your car. You're allowed a total household weight for each move. Your car counts against your weight if you choose to have it shipped.

The only vehicles that I've ever heard of being included in your HHG shipment are things like motorcycles and jet skis. Also there is nothing about it in the regs (http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/perdiem/JTR.pdf, it's a huge document, takes a while to load, but ctrl+F for 5322, it's the 4th match). I mean this in the most respectful way, so please don't get offended, but did they do this for you or do you personally know somebody who they did this for?
 
The only vehicles that I've ever heard of being included in your HHG shipment are things like motorcycles and jet skis. Also there is nothing about it in the regs (http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/perdiem/JTR.pdf, it's a huge document, takes a while to load, but ctrl+F for 5322, it's the 4th match). I mean this in the most respectful way, so please don't get offended, but did they do this for you or do you personally know somebody who they did this for?
They did this for me when I graduated from West Point and went to my first base.
 
The only vehicles that I've ever heard of being included in your HHG shipment are things like motorcycles and jet skis. Also there is nothing about it in the regs (http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/perdiem/JTR.pdf, it's a huge document, takes a while to load, but ctrl+F for 5322, it's the 4th match). I mean this in the most respectful way, so please don't get offended, but did they do this for you or do you personally know somebody who they did this for?
They did this for me when I graduated from West Point and went to my first base.
Shipment of a car CAN be authorized on orders but is typically not and I have never known someone to have 2. Also cars are not supposed to be shipped as household goods and I've never heard of a mover doing it outside of that. As mentioned motorcycles, jet skis, and snowmobiles would count and count as weight.


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Per JTR, Appendix A1:

A. General. HHG are items associated with the home and all personal effects belonging to a member/employee and dependents on the member's order effective date/employee’s effective date of transfer/appointment that legally may be accepted and transported by an authorized commercial HHG transporter.

B. Authorized. HHG include:
5. Other Vehicles.
A vehicle other than a POV, e.g., motorcycle, moped, hang glider, golf cart, jet ski, or snowmobile and/or the associated trailer.

C. Not Authorized. HHG do NOT include:
2. Automobiles, trucks, vans and similar motor vehicles;
 
Per JTR, Appendix A1:

A. General. HHG are items associated with the home and all personal effects belonging to a member/employee and dependents on the member's order effective date/employee’s effective date of transfer/appointment that legally may be accepted and transported by an authorized commercial HHG transporter.

B. Authorized. HHG include:
5. Other Vehicles.
A vehicle other than a POV, e.g., motorcycle, moped, hang glider, golf cart, jet ski, or snowmobile and/or the associated trailer.

C. Not Authorized. HHG do NOT include:
2. Automobiles, trucks, vans and similar motor vehicles;
I can assure you that I did not drive my car to Hawaii.
 
I can assure you that I did not drive my car to Hawaii.
Hawaii and overseas bases are different. The military will ship 1 auto (car/truck) for you but you pay for any additional. Speaking as a Marine who has done one and had many friends move to and from overseas. The only exception might be to England where one of my airman (at a joint command) shipped both his cars to England. He is dual mil so one may have been under his orders and the second under his wife's orders.
 
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