for those of you late-submitters still waiting, I just got the secondary! there's still hope! AMCAS verified beginning of September. LizzyM ~76 (MCAT heavy), nontrad
for those of you late-submitters still waiting, I just got the secondary! there's still hope! AMCAS verified beginning of September. LizzyM ~76 (MCAT heavy), nontrad
Everybody link hands and repeat after me: This process is not linear, this process is not linear...eek.. verified 8/18.. 🙁
I generally concur. However, I think the post was about secondaries, not even interviews. I mean, I finished my last secondary two months ago and I still haven't heard from Vandy as to whether or not they even want one from me, and I'm sure other posters are having similar experiences. Like lolwut? Why not just send the rejection letter already?Everybody link hands and repeat after me: This process is not linear, this process is not linear...
I've gotten IIs from places I thought I'd been passed over at, and from those I didn't expect to have even begun considering my application yet. Submission date, on the broad scale of things, affects when you are viewed but the order seems far from strict at every school I've applied to. Heck, I called one school the other day where they said that someone had 'checked my file out for review' in early August, but hadn't made a recommendation yet (it's October now). Because that person has my app, nobody else will look at it, so I'm stuck to their molasses-pace while other students are getting status updates and IIs who submitted after me. (Seriously, I'm starting to think they fell asleep with it on the couch and it slid off into a discarded pizza box and got tossed or something.) Such is life, though, and no use worrying about it. They'll get around to it eventually, and while it's frustrating to wait, I don't really feel that it changes things for my individual app.
Each school does things differently, but the one constant I've seen is that comparing your exact timeline to other peoples' is unhelpful and merely produces anxiety. You're not rejected until you have a rejection letter. No news is still good news at this point!
I generally concur. However, I think the post was about secondaries, not even interviews. I mean, I finished my last secondary two months ago and I still haven't heard from Vandy as to whether or not they even want one from me, and I'm sure other posters are having similar experiences. Like lolwut? Why not just send the rejection letter already?
Oh yeah I'm not completely disagreeing; they're definitely similar and a whole lot of things could happen. But when you get to the point where the application deadline is closer than when you submitted the AMCAS, I think there's a reasonable amount of angst or at least mild frustration to be had, especially if you've given up on receiving one. That's all I was trying to get across.The principle still applies because Vandy screens its secondaries heavily. To get Vandy's secondary (below the number threshold) you basically go through a similar screen as an interview. Therefore, the process is not linear.
Oh aye, I know...but since there are fewer schools with intense pre-screening, it's harder to pull out examples for it.I generally concur. However, I think the post was about secondaries, not even interviews. I mean, I finished my last secondary two months ago and I still haven't heard from Vandy as to whether or not they even want one from me, and I'm sure other posters are having similar experiences. Like lolwut? Why not just send the rejection letter already?
I agree, totally, that frustration is legit. I just hate to see people getting down on themselves and thinking they've been passed over based on something that's pretty irrelevant.Oh yeah I'm not completely disagreeing; they're definitely similar and a whole lot of things could happen. But when you get to the point where the application deadline is closer than when you submitted the AMCAS, I think there's a reasonable amount of angst or at least mild frustration to be had, especially if you've given up on receiving one. That's all I was trying to get across.
Sort of separately, do you have any idea why they would hold on to someone's application for three months as in noflag's case? If it were just a slow reviewer, wouldn't the AdCom get kind of upset eventually, especially considering they advertise that submitting late is bad?
I never rented a car for my interviews (so all of the above, except 5 min at the Parthenon, are out). Local places you can walk to or easily uber/lyft to for passing time include: Green Hills mall if you like shopping, Belcourt movie theater, and the Frist art museum. There are two nightclubs/dance clubs, Seen (young 18+) and Play (LGBT). Plenty of bars though!!!! Nashville is def a bar town. Be careful - crime ridden neighborhoods are adjacent to the cool, gentrified areas. If you go to Sylvan Park, don't get lost in Sylvan Heights. If you go to the Farmer's Market near Germantown, do not cross the street into the projects. If you go down Edgehill, do not walk further than 15th. If you go to East Nashville, be extra careful.Grand Opryland Hotel is a nice tourist attraction, they have huge indoor gardens, and it is definitely worth it, especially to decompress (plus it’s free)! The Parthenon and The Hermitage are nice places too if you just need to kill a few hours. If you do have time, there are a ton of cool hiking and backpacking places outside of the city.
I appreciate the alternate perspective. It is always good to hear both what works and what doesn't for different people - gives you a better idea of how you yourself would fit in. Mind you, I always take both extremes with a hefty dose of salt, but it still makes a world of difference to hear a variety of opinions.The workload at Vandy is HEAVY. The person who described the work hard play harder motif only describes a subset of students who do so. Not everyone can handle it. If you are not particularly into heavy drinking and weightlifting/tanning booths, Vandy is not for you. If you like cliques, Vandy is for you. WinterSoldier is heavily biased toward boring Nashville - street food "festivals" are just a bunch of food trucks, and you need to drive hours to go rafting. I am only here because of the dual/couple problem. Yes, the students seem happy as a class, but behind-the-scenes psychiatric levels of unhappiness occur in individuals who are more alternative.
Congrats! When were you complete?II today! Ready to cry of happiness.
Congrats! When were you complete?
I appreciate the alternate perspective. It is always good to hear both what works and what doesn't for different people - gives you a better idea of how you yourself would fit in. Mind you, I always take both extremes with a hefty dose of salt, but it still makes a world of difference to hear a variety of opinions.
Doesn't mean that's not a perspective that people at that school have...if those are the things that make someone unhappy enough to make an account purely for bitter posts against it, that's good to know. As I said, extreme views are always taken with a handful of salt, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from them.Yeah if you look back, all 7 of the posts this person has written are about attacking Vanderbilt and Nashville and all within the last the last few hours... (and made an account at that same time...)
I hear you, that logic makes sense. I guess I can see real struggles in what's said, but to me it's hard to take someone seriously that degrades people (classmates, faculty) so much and spreads false information (like scholars fleeing from Vandy).Doesn't mean that's not a perspective that people at that school have...if those are the things that make someone unhappy enough to make an account purely for bitter posts against it, that's good to know. As I said, extreme views are always taken with a handful of salt, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from them.
Sure; you've got to sift the bitterness from the actual complaints. But the complaints of someone who is actually unhappy with things shouldn't be ignored entirely. That's not at all saying I agree with them, just that those are things I'll be more likely to look into having heard them.I hear you, that logic makes sense. I guess I can see real struggles in what's said, but to me it's hard to take someone seriously that degrades people (classmates, faculty) so much and spreads false information (like scholars fleeing from Vandy).
Sure; you've got to sift the bitterness from the actual complaints. But the complaints of someone who is actually unhappy with things shouldn't be ignored entirely. That's not at all saying I agree with them, just that those are things I'll be more likely to look into having heard them.
+1has anyone been rejected pre secondary yet? complete early july and still praying for that secondary
I agree with you. I am strongly considering Vandy after my interview there but do have genuine concerns about the curriculum. Any other current m2's or m1's (now that they've been through it for a couple months) want to address @DrDalia 's points about the workload/anything else? Even if he is a disgruntled student of n=1, there's likely a reason he feels the way he does.
Here is another n = 1 perspective from a student. I just completed my M2 year and am taking time off to do research. I am in (was in) the first iteration of Curriculum 2.0. I scored 20 points above the Step 1 average for the surgical sub-specialty I intend to pursue.
Yes, our preclinical curriculum is a lot of work. But, no matter where you go, medical school will be as stressful as you make it out to be. If you stay on track with your lectures and extra-preclinical responsibilities, there is no reason why you should not succeed in our curriculum. Were there people that had to repeat a block? Yes, but these were people who had a track record of not doing well (not always the case, and it is unfortunate, but no more have had to repeat than our pre-2.0 curricula). As for me, I never stayed on top of lectures until I absolutely had to (e.g., the end of the block when I had 30+ lectures to review over 2 weeks). I paid for this by being a dead average student who never scored above a standard deviation above the class average. I took full advantage of our P/F curriculum and you should too.
A digression about Step 1: you will not have the "luxury" of studying for Step 1 over an entire year like most people at 1.5/2 year curricula have. My classmates studied an average of 6 weeks (+/- 2). You do not need more than 5 weeks to study for Step 1, let alone reviewing over a full year. I took the full 6 and was ready to blow my brains out by week 4.5. You battle acquiring new information with losing old information. Everything will come back to you from first year. I promise. Taking shelf exams for your clerkships (which, by the way, are 100x more difficult than Step 1) will keep you in a boards prep mode throughout the year. I was actually demoralized by how difficult the clerkship shelf exams were and worried about how much more difficult Step 1 would be. Again, just an n = 1 opinion, I found Step 1 so much more manageable after getting used to the types of questions examiners like to ask.
Clerkship year is an inherently subjective year no matter where you go, but I will say that clerkship year is difficult without having done Step 1. You will play a lot of catch up if you struggled in preclinicals (or didn't pay attention, like me). In general, most of the attendings and residents that chose to practice at Vanderbilt did so because of it's friendly atmosphere. By and large, most of the specialties I rotated on had residents that understood the novelty of our curriculum and adjusted their expectations accordingly. If you rise above their expectations, you will do well. That's it. You play a part as a medical student by reading up on your patients, knowing how to interpret a CBC in a pediatric population, knowing the current guidelines in reversing warfarin-associated ICH, working with your fellow medical students to make sure everyone is rounded on. No preclinical curriculum on the planet teaches you how to function on the wards. This is something you do on your own 2.0 or 1.0. Of note, our clerkship year is P/F. Our class put in the effort to make sure our patients were taken care of, but the majority of us dialed it down when it came to studying for shelf exams (the other component of our clerkship grades). I wasn't worried about losing an hour studying Pestana when I could scrub in on an add on transplant procurement. I had dinner with friends. I entertained family. Life goes on during clerkship year and 2.0's P/F made it just a bit easier to do so.
In my opinion, medical school doesn't begin until clerkship year. You have no idea how patients are taken care of until you are living and breathing in the hospital 14-hour-day after 14-hour-day, learning how to run the list with your residents, knowing the inefficiencies of your hospital when you as a medical student are trying to find a role to push your services forward. The learning curve on the wards is harsh but 2.0 has nothing to do with that. Having residents that take the time to teach you the ropes is what helps. I saw a lot of role models in the residents I worked with and I hope to emulate that when I am a resident one day.
Finally, I like to think that the "Wellness" our administrators buzz in your ears truly is real. For those of you that interviewed during College Cup weekend, I hope you got to see what it means when we take time off from medical school. Wellness is an institutionalized concept in our curriculum. We have retreat days. We have sponsored bar nights. You will have more people asking to be your mentor than you could ever wish for. You will have friends going through the same nonsense that you are. The rigor of our curriculum has made it more difficult in years past to participate in *all* of these things, yes, but you will always see a familiar face when you do.
Sorry for this textbook of a post. Again, just an n = 1 perspective from the other side of the fence. Nashville is growing like no other. We just stole a chef from Alinea (any foodies?). Coming from someone who grew up and lived in big cities, I never thought it was possible to like it this much. I'll probably be staying here for residency. I'm happy to answer any PMs.
This isn't too surprising, no need to get worried until like a few days before I think. I heard back right around 2 weeks before for vandy, but schools basically continue to beg students to host as interview dates get closer. For one of my interviews, after not enough responses from mass emails, they literally started just personally emailing people one by one and I got a host the day before. The schools want to make it happen to make your experience the best it can be. Just to be clear, I'm not making any guarantees, but I don't think you should worry. Let me know how it goes!I signed up for student hosting over a month ago, and I haven't heard back yet for my interview in less two weeks 🙁 If there are any current students who would be willing to host me later this month, please PM me! <3 I'd be so grateful.
For those who were offered student hosts: when did you hear back?
Nashville is growing like no other.
Let me try to dispel some myths about 2.0. I don't want to give you the impression that our curriculum is any more intimidating than others. Keep in mind as you hear curriculum discussions from different schools that there is no such thing as a "relaxed pace" in medical school. No medical student at any medical school in the history of time has ever stopped and said "wow, I can't believe how much time I have to digest this material!" It just isn't how medical school works. There are a finite number of hours that lecturers can teach and students can study, whether that's 2.0 or 1.0. Medical school would be a heck lot longer than four years if we were expected as a profession to learn everything there is to know about clinical medicine.Wow @smithers12 , thanks for the informative post.
The condensed curriculum definitely sounds intimidating, even for somebody with a strong background. Do Vandy students seem to do well on the Step1 despite this "rushed" feel? Have you ever regretted not going to a school where you could take a more relaxed pace? How many students on average have to repeat a block? Other students feel free to chime in too! Thanks!
I submitted my secondary July 8. Still not under review. Time to call?
That's how mine is too (at other schools with similar portals all sections were green). I called today. The lady I spoke to was very nice and said it was not a problem - I am under review. Fingers crossed for an II (for both of us!)How do you know you're still not under review? My "Under review" tab is white instead of green like the two before it. Does that mean I'm not under review yet?
That's how mine is too (at other schools with similar portals all sections were green). I called today. The lady I spoke to was very nice and said it was not a problem - I am under review. Fingers crossed for an II (for both of us!)
Congrats! When were you complete? Stats?II as well! There was one date in December and a few in January. All Mondays or Fridays.
II! So excited, I absolutely love Nashville. Complete 9/4. LizzyM=72.
Can anyone who has already interviewed comment on the experience?
And get the pimento mac and cheese if you know what's good for you.Also while you're in Nashville go to Hattie B's Hot Chicken, mmmm...
So you're saying there's a chance? lol. Verified 8/21. Waiting for a secondary. PLEASE VANDY!The principle still applies because Vandy screens its secondaries heavily. To get Vandy's secondary (below the number threshold) you basically go through a similar screen as an interview. Therefore, the process is not linear.
So you're saying there's a chance? lol. Verified 8/21. Waiting for a secondary. PLEASE VANDY!