2015-2016 Vanderbilt University Application Thread

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Everybody link hands and repeat after me: This process is not linear, this process is not linear...

I've gotten IIs from places I thought I'd been passed over at, and from those I didn't expect to have even begun considering my application yet. Submission date, on the broad scale of things, affects when you are viewed but the order seems far from strict at every school I've applied to. Heck, I called one school the other day where they said that someone had 'checked my file out for review' in early August, but hadn't made a recommendation yet (it's October now). Because that person has my app, nobody else will look at it, so I'm stuck to their molasses-pace while other students are getting status updates and IIs who submitted after me. (Seriously, I'm starting to think they fell asleep with it on the couch and it slid off into a discarded pizza box and got tossed or something.) Such is life, though, and no use worrying about it. They'll get around to it eventually, and while it's frustrating to wait, I don't really feel that it changes things for my individual app.

Each school does things differently, but the one constant I've seen is that comparing your exact timeline to other peoples' is unhelpful and merely produces anxiety. You're not rejected until you have a rejection letter. No news is still good news at this point!
 
Everybody link hands and repeat after me: This process is not linear, this process is not linear...

I've gotten IIs from places I thought I'd been passed over at, and from those I didn't expect to have even begun considering my application yet. Submission date, on the broad scale of things, affects when you are viewed but the order seems far from strict at every school I've applied to. Heck, I called one school the other day where they said that someone had 'checked my file out for review' in early August, but hadn't made a recommendation yet (it's October now). Because that person has my app, nobody else will look at it, so I'm stuck to their molasses-pace while other students are getting status updates and IIs who submitted after me. (Seriously, I'm starting to think they fell asleep with it on the couch and it slid off into a discarded pizza box and got tossed or something.) Such is life, though, and no use worrying about it. They'll get around to it eventually, and while it's frustrating to wait, I don't really feel that it changes things for my individual app.

Each school does things differently, but the one constant I've seen is that comparing your exact timeline to other peoples' is unhelpful and merely produces anxiety. You're not rejected until you have a rejection letter. No news is still good news at this point!
I generally concur. However, I think the post was about secondaries, not even interviews. I mean, I finished my last secondary two months ago and I still haven't heard from Vandy as to whether or not they even want one from me, and I'm sure other posters are having similar experiences. Like lolwut? Why not just send the rejection letter already?
 
I generally concur. However, I think the post was about secondaries, not even interviews. I mean, I finished my last secondary two months ago and I still haven't heard from Vandy as to whether or not they even want one from me, and I'm sure other posters are having similar experiences. Like lolwut? Why not just send the rejection letter already?

The principle still applies because Vandy screens its secondaries heavily. To get Vandy's secondary (below the number threshold) you basically go through a similar screen as an interview. Therefore, the process is not linear.
 
The principle still applies because Vandy screens its secondaries heavily. To get Vandy's secondary (below the number threshold) you basically go through a similar screen as an interview. Therefore, the process is not linear.
Oh yeah I'm not completely disagreeing; they're definitely similar and a whole lot of things could happen. But when you get to the point where the application deadline is closer than when you submitted the AMCAS, I think there's a reasonable amount of angst or at least mild frustration to be had, especially if you've given up on receiving one. That's all I was trying to get across.

Sort of separately, do you have any idea why they would hold on to someone's application for three months as in noflag's case? If it were just a slow reviewer, wouldn't the AdCom get kind of upset eventually, especially considering they advertise that submitting late is bad?
 
I completely understand the frustration! And no, I have no idea why :/ Vandy is a bit of an enigma in the review process. On the other hand, most other top tier schools also hold on similarly throughout the process. I'm guessing that as the deadline approaches, more people will hear back one way or another. My suggestion (as a fellow applicant) is that if your numbers are high and your application is good and you are still interested in Vandy then finish the secondary prompts and just wait for their response. If you get one, you can turn it over within a day. If not, then you have fodder for your other interviews.
 
I generally concur. However, I think the post was about secondaries, not even interviews. I mean, I finished my last secondary two months ago and I still haven't heard from Vandy as to whether or not they even want one from me, and I'm sure other posters are having similar experiences. Like lolwut? Why not just send the rejection letter already?
Oh aye, I know...but since there are fewer schools with intense pre-screening, it's harder to pull out examples for it.
Oh yeah I'm not completely disagreeing; they're definitely similar and a whole lot of things could happen. But when you get to the point where the application deadline is closer than when you submitted the AMCAS, I think there's a reasonable amount of angst or at least mild frustration to be had, especially if you've given up on receiving one. That's all I was trying to get across.

Sort of separately, do you have any idea why they would hold on to someone's application for three months as in noflag's case? If it were just a slow reviewer, wouldn't the AdCom get kind of upset eventually, especially considering they advertise that submitting late is bad?
I agree, totally, that frustration is legit. I just hate to see people getting down on themselves and thinking they've been passed over based on something that's pretty irrelevant.

As for the 3mo thing...first, it surely varies from school to school, but the one I called seemed utterly unconcerned about the fact my file had been checked out for months. I just think that the only thing that can come from trying to analyze each step of the process so much is anxiety. :shrug:
 
I've been told (in person, at the admission office) that they don't consider even September applicants late, that link is really speaking to the december date. Obviously earlier is better because they are semi-rolling, but it doesn't mean that you're done for already if it's been a month. Also, I received my II a little less than a month ago and at that time there were so, and i really mean so many interview dates left--they had just started! so relax guys, don't get too anxious yet!
 
The workload at Vandy is HEAVY. The person who described the work hard play harder motif only describes a subset of students who do so. Not everyone can handle it. If you are not particularly into heavy drinking and weightlifting/tanning booths, Vandy is not for you. If you like cliques, Vandy is for you. WinterSoldier is heavily biased toward boring Nashville - street food "festivals" are just a bunch of food trucks, and you need to drive hours to go rafting. I am only here because of the dual/couple problem. Yes, the students seem happy as a class, but behind-the-scenes psychiatric levels of unhappiness occur in individuals who are more alternative.
 
Grand Opryland Hotel is a nice tourist attraction, they have huge indoor gardens, and it is definitely worth it, especially to decompress (plus it’s free :happy:)! The Parthenon and The Hermitage are nice places too if you just need to kill a few hours. If you do have time, there are a ton of cool hiking and backpacking places outside of the city.
I never rented a car for my interviews (so all of the above, except 5 min at the Parthenon, are out). Local places you can walk to or easily uber/lyft to for passing time include: Green Hills mall if you like shopping, Belcourt movie theater, and the Frist art museum. There are two nightclubs/dance clubs, Seen (young 18+) and Play (LGBT). Plenty of bars though!!!! Nashville is def a bar town. Be careful - crime ridden neighborhoods are adjacent to the cool, gentrified areas. If you go to Sylvan Park, don't get lost in Sylvan Heights. If you go to the Farmer's Market near Germantown, do not cross the street into the projects. If you go down Edgehill, do not walk further than 15th. If you go to East Nashville, be extra careful.
 
The workload at Vandy is HEAVY. The person who described the work hard play harder motif only describes a subset of students who do so. Not everyone can handle it. If you are not particularly into heavy drinking and weightlifting/tanning booths, Vandy is not for you. If you like cliques, Vandy is for you. WinterSoldier is heavily biased toward boring Nashville - street food "festivals" are just a bunch of food trucks, and you need to drive hours to go rafting. I am only here because of the dual/couple problem. Yes, the students seem happy as a class, but behind-the-scenes psychiatric levels of unhappiness occur in individuals who are more alternative.
I appreciate the alternate perspective. It is always good to hear both what works and what doesn't for different people - gives you a better idea of how you yourself would fit in. Mind you, I always take both extremes with a hefty dose of salt, but it still makes a world of difference to hear a variety of opinions.
 
I appreciate the alternate perspective. It is always good to hear both what works and what doesn't for different people - gives you a better idea of how you yourself would fit in. Mind you, I always take both extremes with a hefty dose of salt, but it still makes a world of difference to hear a variety of opinions.

Yeah if you look back, all 7 of the posts this person has written are about attacking Vanderbilt and Nashville and all within the last the last few hours... (and made an account at that same time...)
 
Yeah if you look back, all 7 of the posts this person has written are about attacking Vanderbilt and Nashville and all within the last the last few hours... (and made an account at that same time...)
Doesn't mean that's not a perspective that people at that school have...if those are the things that make someone unhappy enough to make an account purely for bitter posts against it, that's good to know. As I said, extreme views are always taken with a handful of salt, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from them.
 
Doesn't mean that's not a perspective that people at that school have...if those are the things that make someone unhappy enough to make an account purely for bitter posts against it, that's good to know. As I said, extreme views are always taken with a handful of salt, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from them.
I hear you, that logic makes sense. I guess I can see real struggles in what's said, but to me it's hard to take someone seriously that degrades people (classmates, faculty) so much and spreads false information (like scholars fleeing from Vandy).
 
I hear you, that logic makes sense. I guess I can see real struggles in what's said, but to me it's hard to take someone seriously that degrades people (classmates, faculty) so much and spreads false information (like scholars fleeing from Vandy).
Sure; you've got to sift the bitterness from the actual complaints. But the complaints of someone who is actually unhappy with things shouldn't be ignored entirely. That's not at all saying I agree with them, just that those are things I'll be more likely to look into having heard them.
 
Sure; you've got to sift the bitterness from the actual complaints. But the complaints of someone who is actually unhappy with things shouldn't be ignored entirely. That's not at all saying I agree with them, just that those are things I'll be more likely to look into having heard them.

I agree with you. I am strongly considering Vandy after my interview there but do have genuine concerns about the curriculum. Any other current m2's or m1's (now that they've been through it for a couple months) want to address @DrDalia 's points about the workload/anything else? Even if he is a disgruntled student of n=1, there's likely a reason he feels the way he does.
 
I signed up for student hosting over a month ago, and I haven't heard back yet for my interview in less two weeks 🙁 If there are any current students who would be willing to host me later this month, please PM me! <3 I'd be so grateful.

For those who were offered student hosts: when did you hear back?
 
Hey! So I actually didn't hear back until about a week before I visited! I ended up emailing the student hosting committee to ask if they had anyone available (otherwise, I would begin looking for an airbnb). While they didn't have anyone signed up to host my weekend, they sent out another request for me and I was able to get a host! So don't be afraid to ask again if you haven't heard back yet! 🙂
 
I agree with you. I am strongly considering Vandy after my interview there but do have genuine concerns about the curriculum. Any other current m2's or m1's (now that they've been through it for a couple months) want to address @DrDalia 's points about the workload/anything else? Even if he is a disgruntled student of n=1, there's likely a reason he feels the way he does.

Here is another n = 1 perspective from a student. I just completed my M2 year and am taking time off to do research. I am in (was in) the first iteration of Curriculum 2.0. I scored 20 points above the Step 1 average for the surgical sub-specialty I intend to pursue.

Yes, our preclinical curriculum is a lot of work. But, no matter where you go, medical school will be as stressful as you make it out to be. If you stay on track with your lectures and extra-preclinical responsibilities, there is no reason why you should not succeed in our curriculum. Were there people that had to repeat a block? Yes, but these were people who had a track record of not doing well (not always the case, and it is unfortunate, but no more have had to repeat than our pre-2.0 curricula). As for me, I never stayed on top of lectures until I absolutely had to (e.g., the end of the block when I had 30+ lectures to review over 2 weeks). I paid for this by being a dead average student who never scored above a standard deviation above the class average. I took full advantage of our P/F curriculum and you should too.

A digression about Step 1: you will not have the "luxury" of studying for Step 1 over an entire year like most people at 1.5/2 year curricula have. My classmates studied an average of 6 weeks (+/- 2). You do not need more than 5 weeks to study for Step 1, let alone reviewing over a full year. I took the full 6 and was ready to blow my brains out by week 4.5. You battle acquiring new information with losing old information. Everything will come back to you from first year. I promise. Taking shelf exams for your clerkships (which, by the way, are 100x more difficult than Step 1) will keep you in a boards prep mode throughout the year. I was actually demoralized by how difficult the clerkship shelf exams were and worried about how much more difficult Step 1 would be. Again, just an n = 1 opinion, I found Step 1 so much more manageable after getting used to the types of questions examiners like to ask.

Clerkship year is an inherently subjective year no matter where you go, but I will say that clerkship year is difficult without having done Step 1. You will play a lot of catch up if you struggled in preclinicals (or didn't pay attention, like me). In general, most of the attendings and residents that chose to practice at Vanderbilt did so because of it's friendly atmosphere. We have 8 (8!) M4s out of a class of 100 matching into neurosurgery this year, which speaks volumes about how approachable a traditionally malignant subspecialty can be if you come here. By and large, most of the specialties I rotated on had residents that understood the novelty of our curriculum and adjusted their expectations accordingly. If you rise above their expectations, you will do well. That's it. You play a part as a medical student by reading up on your patients, knowing how to interpret a CBC in a pediatric population, knowing the current guidelines in reversing warfarin-associated ICH, working with your fellow medical students to make sure everyone is rounded on. No preclinical curriculum on the planet teaches you how to function on the wards. This is something you do on your own 2.0 or 1.0. Of note, our clerkship year is P/F. Our class put in the effort to make sure our patients were taken care of, but the majority of us dialed it down when it came to studying for shelf exams (the other component of our clerkship grades). I wasn't worried about losing an hour (or 8) studying Pestana when I could scrub in on an add on transplant procurement. I had dinner with friends. I entertained family. Life goes on during clerkship year and 2.0's P/F made it just a bit easier to do so.

Keep in mind a 1 year preclinical curriculum puts you a full year ahead of your peers for residency networking. I had a fair idea of what I wanted to do before medical school, but seeing the lifestyle of the residents on that service and working with the patients on it solidified it for me. While everyone else is snoozing away listening to path lectures, you're rounding on some of the sickest patients in your region, putting in Raney clips, tracking down labs, pulling a baby out of human, sitting with a patient's family whom you've followed for several days right after she was declared braindead. I identified attendings early on that I would consider good role models and structured my research years so that I would stay connected to their departments come application time. Clerkship year is mentally and physically exhausting, you will often feel more like a burden than a contributor to your teams, but experiences in the hospital are exactly why you decided to come to medical school.

In my opinion, medical school doesn't begin until clerkship year. You have no idea how patients are taken care of until you are living and breathing in the hospital 14-hour-day after 14-hour-day, learning how to run the list with your residents, knowing the inefficiencies of your hospital when you as a medical student are trying to find a role to push your services forward. The learning curve on the wards is harsh but 2.0 has nothing to do with that. Having residents that take the time to teach you the ropes is what helps. I saw a lot of role models in the residents I worked with and I hope to emulate that when I am a resident one day.

Finally, I like to think that the "Wellness" our administrators buzz in your ears truly is real. For those of you that interviewed during College Cup weekend, I hope you got to see what it means when we take time off from medical school. Wellness is an institutionalized concept in our curriculum. We have retreat days. We have sponsored bar nights. You will have more people asking to be your mentor than you could ever wish for. You will have friends going through the same nonsense that you are. Our Hogwartsesque College System is not just a logistically convenient way of dividing us up into smaller groups for activities like you might find at other schools. The colleges are the life and soul of our school. Google "VUSM Flickr" and see for yourself. The rigor of our curriculum has made it more difficult than in years past to participate in *all* of these things, yes, but you will always see a familiar face when you do.

Sorry for this textbook of a post. Again, just an n = 1 perspective from the other side of the fence. Nashville is growing like no other. We just stole a chef from Alinea (any foodies?). Coming from someone who grew up and lived in big cities, I never thought it was possible to like it this much. I'll probably be staying here for residency. I'm happy to answer any PMs.
 
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Here is another n = 1 perspective from a student. I just completed my M2 year and am taking time off to do research. I am in (was in) the first iteration of Curriculum 2.0. I scored 20 points above the Step 1 average for the surgical sub-specialty I intend to pursue.

Yes, our preclinical curriculum is a lot of work. But, no matter where you go, medical school will be as stressful as you make it out to be. If you stay on track with your lectures and extra-preclinical responsibilities, there is no reason why you should not succeed in our curriculum. Were there people that had to repeat a block? Yes, but these were people who had a track record of not doing well (not always the case, and it is unfortunate, but no more have had to repeat than our pre-2.0 curricula). As for me, I never stayed on top of lectures until I absolutely had to (e.g., the end of the block when I had 30+ lectures to review over 2 weeks). I paid for this by being a dead average student who never scored above a standard deviation above the class average. I took full advantage of our P/F curriculum and you should too.

A digression about Step 1: you will not have the "luxury" of studying for Step 1 over an entire year like most people at 1.5/2 year curricula have. My classmates studied an average of 6 weeks (+/- 2). You do not need more than 5 weeks to study for Step 1, let alone reviewing over a full year. I took the full 6 and was ready to blow my brains out by week 4.5. You battle acquiring new information with losing old information. Everything will come back to you from first year. I promise. Taking shelf exams for your clerkships (which, by the way, are 100x more difficult than Step 1) will keep you in a boards prep mode throughout the year. I was actually demoralized by how difficult the clerkship shelf exams were and worried about how much more difficult Step 1 would be. Again, just an n = 1 opinion, I found Step 1 so much more manageable after getting used to the types of questions examiners like to ask.

Clerkship year is an inherently subjective year no matter where you go, but I will say that clerkship year is difficult without having done Step 1. You will play a lot of catch up if you struggled in preclinicals (or didn't pay attention, like me). In general, most of the attendings and residents that chose to practice at Vanderbilt did so because of it's friendly atmosphere. By and large, most of the specialties I rotated on had residents that understood the novelty of our curriculum and adjusted their expectations accordingly. If you rise above their expectations, you will do well. That's it. You play a part as a medical student by reading up on your patients, knowing how to interpret a CBC in a pediatric population, knowing the current guidelines in reversing warfarin-associated ICH, working with your fellow medical students to make sure everyone is rounded on. No preclinical curriculum on the planet teaches you how to function on the wards. This is something you do on your own 2.0 or 1.0. Of note, our clerkship year is P/F. Our class put in the effort to make sure our patients were taken care of, but the majority of us dialed it down when it came to studying for shelf exams (the other component of our clerkship grades). I wasn't worried about losing an hour studying Pestana when I could scrub in on an add on transplant procurement. I had dinner with friends. I entertained family. Life goes on during clerkship year and 2.0's P/F made it just a bit easier to do so.

In my opinion, medical school doesn't begin until clerkship year. You have no idea how patients are taken care of until you are living and breathing in the hospital 14-hour-day after 14-hour-day, learning how to run the list with your residents, knowing the inefficiencies of your hospital when you as a medical student are trying to find a role to push your services forward. The learning curve on the wards is harsh but 2.0 has nothing to do with that. Having residents that take the time to teach you the ropes is what helps. I saw a lot of role models in the residents I worked with and I hope to emulate that when I am a resident one day.

Finally, I like to think that the "Wellness" our administrators buzz in your ears truly is real. For those of you that interviewed during College Cup weekend, I hope you got to see what it means when we take time off from medical school. Wellness is an institutionalized concept in our curriculum. We have retreat days. We have sponsored bar nights. You will have more people asking to be your mentor than you could ever wish for. You will have friends going through the same nonsense that you are. The rigor of our curriculum has made it more difficult in years past to participate in *all* of these things, yes, but you will always see a familiar face when you do.

Sorry for this textbook of a post. Again, just an n = 1 perspective from the other side of the fence. Nashville is growing like no other. We just stole a chef from Alinea (any foodies?). Coming from someone who grew up and lived in big cities, I never thought it was possible to like it this much. I'll probably be staying here for residency. I'm happy to answer any PMs.

thank you for this! I interviewed late September, and one of my (only) reservations about vandy was the rigor of the curriculum and how well it grounds you for life in the hospital. but it's awesome to get someones honest, on-the-ground-floor insight into how it's prepared them.
 
I signed up for student hosting over a month ago, and I haven't heard back yet for my interview in less two weeks 🙁 If there are any current students who would be willing to host me later this month, please PM me! <3 I'd be so grateful.

For those who were offered student hosts: when did you hear back?
This isn't too surprising, no need to get worried until like a few days before I think. I heard back right around 2 weeks before for vandy, but schools basically continue to beg students to host as interview dates get closer. For one of my interviews, after not enough responses from mass emails, they literally started just personally emailing people one by one and I got a host the day before. The schools want to make it happen to make your experience the best it can be. Just to be clear, I'm not making any guarantees, but I don't think you should worry. Let me know how it goes!
 
I submitted my secondary July 8. Still not under review. Time to call?
 
Wow @smithers12 , thanks for the informative post.

The condensed curriculum definitely sounds intimidating, even for somebody with a strong background. Do Vandy students seem to do well on the Step1 despite this "rushed" feel? Have you ever regretted not going to a school where you could take a more relaxed pace? How many students on average have to repeat a block? Other students feel free to chime in too! Thanks!
 
Wow @smithers12 , thanks for the informative post.

The condensed curriculum definitely sounds intimidating, even for somebody with a strong background. Do Vandy students seem to do well on the Step1 despite this "rushed" feel? Have you ever regretted not going to a school where you could take a more relaxed pace? How many students on average have to repeat a block? Other students feel free to chime in too! Thanks!
Let me try to dispel some myths about 2.0. I don't want to give you the impression that our curriculum is any more intimidating than others. Keep in mind as you hear curriculum discussions from different schools that there is no such thing as a "relaxed pace" in medical school. No medical student at any medical school in the history of time has ever stopped and said "wow, I can't believe how much time I have to digest this material!" It just isn't how medical school works. There are a finite number of hours that lecturers can teach and students can study, whether that's 2.0 or 1.0. Medical school would be a heck lot longer than four years if we were expected as a profession to learn everything there is to know about clinical medicine.

By compressing two years into one year, we aren't given double the lectures to compensate. Instead, our learning is 1) shifted in preclinicals to lectures that are more clinically applicable and to case-based learning, and 2) shifting to learning from our patients on the wards. I clearly remember Dr. Kim giving our heme/onc-path lectures and spending a grand total of 1 slide talking about normal anatomy (e.g. here's how many lobes a normal neutrophils has, here's how to tell apart a B cell from a T cell). That's first year of medical school for you at "traditional" medical schools. I don't regret for a second that I wasted time like that sitting in a lecture room. Step 1/your patients don't care if you can do that. Step 1/your patients care if you have a good framework for understanding the leukemias and buzzwords like their chromosomal translocations.

There are tradeoffs to this curriculum. Cons, our curriculum forces you to be a self-directed learner (the new buzzword in medical education circles). How much does this matter? When you're reviewing GI path for Step 1, are you going to remember the 10+ complications of IBD that Dr. Atkinson may or may not have lectured about ~1 year ago, or are you going to remember your IBD patient that became septic overnight and died while you were rotating on the colorectal service? This is how learning for me really stuck. It was a huge pro that drew me to 2.0. I don't feel like I lost a foundation while I was studying for Step 1. I can't tell you how well our class did as a whole (that data hasn't been released yet), but I hope my n = 1 score can convince you that yes, it is possible to do well on Step 1 even with a preclinical curriculum that is only 1 year.

As for your repeating a block question, I don't want to give you the notion that it is normal for students to have to do so. Not at all. No medical school wants their students to fail. They invest as much into us to carry on the Vanderbilt name as much as we do to ensure good residency placement. It goes both ways.
 
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I submitted my secondary July 8. Still not under review. Time to call?

How do you know you're still not under review? My "Under review" tab is white instead of green like the two before it. Does that mean I'm not under review yet?
 
How do you know you're still not under review? My "Under review" tab is white instead of green like the two before it. Does that mean I'm not under review yet?
That's how mine is too (at other schools with similar portals all sections were green). I called today. The lady I spoke to was very nice and said it was not a problem - I am under review. Fingers crossed for an II (for both of us!)
 
That's how mine is too (at other schools with similar portals all sections were green). I called today. The lady I spoke to was very nice and said it was not a problem - I am under review. Fingers crossed for an II (for both of us!)

Oh okay. Thanks for the info! Good luck to you too!
 
II! So excited, I absolutely love Nashville. Complete 9/4. LizzyM=72.
Can anyone who has already interviewed comment on the experience?

I really loved Nashville. In terms of the actual interview day, I thought everybody I encountered was extremely friendly although the culture of med students seemed slightly reserved and awkward. The children's hospital was really dope, but I really wasn't blown away by anything at the school besides Dr. Andre Churchwell. If you have the opportunity to meet with him 1 on 1 do it (some option about a diversity meeting). If I do end up attending here it will be because this badass of medical science and swag saved the day for me.
 
The principle still applies because Vandy screens its secondaries heavily. To get Vandy's secondary (below the number threshold) you basically go through a similar screen as an interview. Therefore, the process is not linear.
So you're saying there's a chance? lol. Verified 8/21. Waiting for a secondary. PLEASE VANDY!
 
So you're saying there's a chance? lol. Verified 8/21. Waiting for a secondary. PLEASE VANDY!
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I couldn't help myself. Especially after I watched the second one a few weeks ago.
 
Any recent secondaries? It seems as though they've been very quiet for a while.
 
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