It seems like a game at this point. I know of people with low stats who identified as an extremely URM minority and got multiple MD acceptances. Obviously the schools didn’t check for this because they get to boast increased diversity now.
N=1 but here’s a story I have. I am a white male with solid stats (3.8 510-512) and good ECs. A guy I worked with in my lab had ~3.5 504 and little to no volunteer hours. He was incredibly wealthy (drive a bmw 7 Series brand new lol) and he was 1/4 AA and grew up in a white neighborhood, but hr identified himself as a urm. He got into our state school (it’s mid tier) on a scholarship and I’m on the waitlist. I’m sorry but this system has major flaws
Fully agree, this just one of many examples
The story I have is way worse. It’s so bad that I don’t even want to type it out because I get triggered just thinking about it
I wanna hear this. I will be triggered with you
Not railing on those accepted, just railing on the process and how fair it is
Man, I can't tell if you're serious or not. If you get an interview then what? You gonna wear makeup, eyeliner, and earrings?
Ok but that’s my point like you have no idea what people went through or what’s in their personal statements or was discussed in their interview or the quality of their interview. You’re just guessing. It’s never just about stats. What you all are seeming to say is that looking for representation and diversity in med school is something that is “majorly flawed”. Just is a bad take.
I’m not guessing lol I knew this guy really well, I worked with him for over a year and would often hit the bars and stuff with them as well. This individual also lied about wanting to do primary care in a rural area when they want to go derm so there’s that
I'm gonna note your profile as one to remember and message next year, let me know how it goes
Question PC culture and have your opinion get silenced, seems fair
It’s not about PC culture, this is a thread about SUPPORT. Nothing said in the past few hours has been about support.
Big mistake my man
I will ask again, do not perpetuate animosity against each other here.
For every story like this, I can think of another about a "urm" or one exemplifying diversity of experience (life circumstances or socioeconomic) having a disproportionately difficult time reaching the same level of academic achievement.
There are many who are actually disadvantaged, it ashame when people like I mentioned take advantage of it
i agree. you can't ignore these things like they aren't messed up but at the same time being URM doesn't hinder you in preparing to become a physician. I feel like if they really wanted to go after a "diversity" approach they need to target people who make no money. A lot of people from wealth can afford tutors and mcat classes that poorer folks can't and I feel like that's why there's usually a discrepancy for stats.
I think the urm thing though is to bring color into medicine. In an interview, I discussed a time when differences in race made it difficult for me to form a productive relationship with a patient. Although, i haven't had too many of those situations, this was extreme in my experience (gang member with violent history). I also discussed how it was helpful to have a diverse team, who the patient could trust. At the time, it was more important to make his entry into healthcare a positive experience before one could touch on years of trauma.
It is. And so many times I’ve seen applicants complain about URM applicants with strong socioeconomic backgrounds having an easier time during admissions, despite not being disadvantaged. That’s not the point. If applicants think this process is solely meritocratic, they’re dead wrong. It’s about picking our country’s future doctors. And diverse patients prefer diverse doctors, so we need to emphasize diversity in admissions. There’s no hidden rule stating that medical school admissions needs to be based on merit only, but somehow we think it should be because we inaccurately equate merit to fairness.
what THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM? DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRANSGENDER ARE TO BE MADE FUN OF? Do you even pay attention to what is happening now? is someone sexuality something you as a potential doctor SHOULD LAUGH AT????? YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. you should be ASHAMED of yourself.
that's an interesting point. yea I agree that seeing more diversity in the people working in healthcare makes patients feel more comfortable, since they are always going to be from the diverse sample size that is America, but at the same time this still doesn't sit right with me. When it comes to creating doctors, merit based admissions only seems logical. I think it's generally the common thought of doctors being the brightest students from undergrad filling these spots. Catering it to making people feel "comfortable" is something that's just too nitpicky to gauge admissions off of. It doesn't improve the treatment plans of doctors for patients. comfortable doesn't translate into better care IMO, maybe just in delivery.
^see my other comment as a response. definitely a matter of opinion on this but i think the current blend of merit and social skills that's already implemented (minus the race factor) makes more sense then allowing race to weigh more heavily on admissions than the other two. And seems more fair.
