2018-2019 Waitlist Support Thread

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I’m curious if anyone knows this or not: for 2020 reapplicants, will it take less time for our applications to verify? My reasoning is that all of the grades most recently submitted for the 2019 cycle will stay the same for those who have graduated with a BS. Not sure if I’m being delusional, but I’m gonna just throw it out there...
 
OchemOficionado said:
Even so, unless their school requires they drop other acceptances by a certain date they are well within their rights as an applicant. Who knows what their circumstances are? The timing sucks, especially toward the end of the cycle, but it will all work out. All seats will be filled.
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Understood, and I certainly did not mean to imply that I thought anyone was breaking any rules. It's just that with all the anxiety on this thread, and the speculation about last minute chaos, I was wondering why this was allowed, which led to the response that it was unavoidable because schools cannot see who is holding multiple acceptances, which led to the response that they indeed identify who held multiple acceptances, which led back to the question of why this was allowed.

For all we know, @gyngyn's school does indeed require candidates to drop other acceptances by now, and they might simply be choosing not to enforce it. If so, that would also beg the question of why! As a future MS1, I'm not worried about seats not being filled; I'm worried about maybe having to be involved in last minute chaos because the system is not more orderly! 🙂
 
ReturnToMed said:
@gyngyn how bad is it to reuse a secondary essay from the previous year? I am getting asked a question where there hasn't been any change and I don't want to lie.
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You can leave the activities section pretty much the same, but re-write the secondaries, even if it's the same content.
 
HeyDoctorJ said:
I’m curious if anyone knows this or not: for 2020 reapplicants, will it take less time for our applications to verify? My reasoning is that all of the grades most recently submitted for the 2019 cycle will stay the same for those who have graduated with a BS. Not sure if I’m being delusional, but I’m gonna just throw it out there...
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You still enter the queue with everyone else and that’s what delays the verification. That being said, you can be confident that it won’t be returned with any changes to your grades.
 
premedxx said:
You still enter the queue with everyone else and that’s what delays the verification. That being said, you can be confident that it won’t be returned with any changes to your grades.
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Oh geez. Well, I haven’t quite finished updating my personal statement so hopefully it won’t be too long on verification
 
I'm not sure if anyone is waiting on Jacobs School of Medicine (SUNY Buffalo), but they just sent out an email saying that the last day to CTE is July 5th, after which they will be calling students who have not selected CTE on July 8th, removing them from the class, and accepting people off the waitlist. The email makes it seem like there might be quite a lot of students that have not selected CTE. Hope this helps.
 
would it be really bad to ask a school if they'd be willing to take you after you've committed elsewhere?
 
wysdoc said:
And a ridiculously small class size. Don't you think others will keep their seats?
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Yes, but perseverance and defying the odds are how I got my acceptances in the first place. I was a low GPA applicant who was told repeatedly not to apply to med school because I had no realistic chance of getting in. That is not the purpose of my question. I am asking so that I know whether it will help or harm my chances, which I do realize are very small to begin with.
 
scaredlostconfused said:
called my top choice asking if they think theyll have any movement. the person who picked up asked for my name, looked something up for 2 min, then told me the class is full and she hopes i got into the school of my choice. well that school was them so I GUESS NOT.
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Really sorry to hear that. Do you know what the CTE date for that school is?
 
confusedpremed12345 said:
Yes, but perseverance and defying the odds are how I got my acceptances in the first place. I was a low GPA applicant who was told repeatedly not to apply to med school because I had no realistic chance of getting in. That is not the purpose of my question. I am asking so that I know whether it will help or harm my chances, which I do realize are very small to begin with.
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I don't think it would harm your chances. I understand cost is a big deal, and really you'd have no other choice but to communicate with your waitlist school so you have some idea of what their protocol is (rather than holding out for no reason). No one here is ungrateful for an acceptance--it's about pursuing all options, especially when there are major factors involved like cost, family, and location.
 
KnightDoc said:
For all we know, @gyngyn's school does indeed require candidates to drop other acceptances by now, and they might simply be choosing not to enforce it. If so, that would also beg the question of why! As a future MS1, I'm not worried about seats not being filled; I'm worried about maybe having to be involved in last minute chaos because the system is not more orderly! 🙂
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Gotcha. Either way, it's out of your control. They will figure it out . . . or they won't, but applicants will still choose to participate because we have no choice.

scaredlostconfused said:
called my top choice asking if they think theyll have any movement. the person who picked up asked for my name, looked something up for 2 min, then told me the class is full and she hopes i got into the school of my choice. well that school was them so I GUESS NOT.
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I'm sorry to hear that 🙁 They communicated more than most schools so that's cool.
 
scaredlostconfused said:
called my top choice asking if they think theyll have any movement. the person who picked up asked for my name, looked something up for 2 min, then told me the class is full and she hopes i got into the school of my choice. well that school was them so I GUESS NOT.
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This is straight up savage. I'm so sorry 🙁
 
Wish we had traffic data between this and previous yr cycles for Waitlist and acceptance timing. The movement does seem to be more steady and continuous this yr looks like it's still going.
 
Once again, the AAMC did nothing wrong here. It's the fault of admissions committees taking upwards of 14 months to finalize a medical school class of 150 people.
The D-day landing operating took less time to plan and carry out.
 
confusedpremed12345 said:
would it be really bad to ask a school if they'd be willing to take you after you've committed elsewhere?
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If they are playing by the so-called "rules" they already won't consider you since you are CTE'd, so you really have nothing to lose. On the other hand, it's not like there is any sudden urgency to take you, since you have already CTE'd, so it's not likely to induce them to do something they weren't going to do anyway (assuming they are open to poaching). So, bottom line, it's not good or bad, and won't change anything, but if it makes you feel better, go for it.
 
KnightDoc said:
If they are playing by the so-called "rules" they already won't consider you since you are CTE'd, so you really have nothing to lose. On the other hand, it's not like there is any sudden urgency to take you, since you have already CTE'd, so it's not likely to induce them to do something they weren't going to do anyway (assuming they are open to poaching). So, bottom line, it's not good or bad, and won't change anything, but if it makes you feel better, go for it.
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Ok, that sounds good. Thank you!
 
confusedpremed12345 said:
Can we petition the AAMC?
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Does anyone (@gyngyn?) know why this process cannot work more like undergrad, wherein, even though admissions are rolling, there is a commonly agreed upon "commitment" date (May 1st, anyone?), after which candidates are expected to commit to one school (with limited exceptions if financial aid decisions are still pending), and where it is agreed that commitments could be broken if one is subsequently accepted off a WL?

This seems to work really well for undergrad, and I cannot see any reason it couldn't work here. AAMC wouldn't have to be involved in enforcement; all they would have to do is provide reports to the schools regarding who is holding multiple acceptances after the deadline, and the schools could use that information as they see fit. This would benefit everyone by eliminating artificial advantages that early CTE schools presently have, allow candidates who had to commit to their "best" acceptance the freedom to take a better WL offer if it comes, and push all the WL action to May, which would allow incoming MS1s adequate time to get their lives together, and allow schools adequate time to deal with whatever poaching occurs due to WL movement in May.

Thoughts? Does this make too much sense to actually be implemented?
 
SecretWombat said:
Once again, the AAMC did nothing wrong here. It's the fault of admissions committees taking upwards of 14 months to finalize a medical school class of 150 people.
The D-day landing operating took less time to plan and carry out.
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The admissions committees can only work with the information given to them by applicants and the AAMC. They can't fill a class and know every single acceptance will absolutely attend if they can see that X number of applicants have only PTEd and have multiple acceptances but can't see WHO those people are.
 
KnightDoc said:
Does anyone (@gyngyn?) know why this process cannot work more like undergrad, wherein, even though admissions are rolling, there is a commonly agreed upon "commitment" date (May 1st, anyone?), after which candidates are expected to commit to one school (with limited exceptions if financial aid decisions are still pending), and where it is agreed that commitments could be broken if one is subsequently accepted off a WL?

This seems to work really well for undergrad, and I cannot see any reason it couldn't work here. AAMC wouldn't have to be involved in enforcement; all they would have to do is provide reports to the schools regarding who is holding multiple acceptances after the deadline, and the schools could use that information as they see fit. This would benefit everyone by eliminating artificial advantages that early CTE schools presently have, allow candidates who had to commit to their "best" acceptance the freedom to take a better WL offer if it comes, and push all the WL action to May, which would allow incoming MS1s adequate time to get their lives together, and allow schools adequate time to deal with whatever poaching occurs due to WL movement in May.

Thoughts? Does this make too much sense to actually be implemented?
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nope, too much sense. doesn't torture premeds enough. can't be implemented.
 
HeyDoctorJ said:
I’m curious if anyone knows this or not: for 2020 reapplicants, will it take less time for our applications to verify? My reasoning is that all of the grades most recently submitted for the 2019 cycle will stay the same for those who have graduated with a BS. Not sure if I’m being delusional, but I’m gonna just throw it out there...
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You would think so, but no. They review it with the same turnaround time as for first-time applicants.
 
SecretWombat said:
Once again, the AAMC did nothing wrong here. It's the fault of admissions committees taking upwards of 14 months to finalize a medical school class of 150 people.
The D-day landing operating took less time to plan and carry out.
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I just want to share my experience with one of the schools I have interviewed at. To this day, they have still have not released admissions decisions for multiple interviewees, even ones that interviewed last October. No waitlist, no rejection. Instead we have had a message in our portal saying that the admissions committee is still considering our application ever since we interviewed. When I called the office last week, they said I "might be waitlisted" whatever that is supposed to mean.

It's baffling to think that the AAMC guidelines could have caused so much chaos that some schools have abandoned all sense of propriety.
 
areyoumydaddy said:
I just want to share my experience with one of the schools I have interviewed at. To this day, they have still have not released admissions decisions for multiple interviewees, even ones that interviewed last October. No waitlist, no rejection. Instead we have had a message in our portal saying that the admissions committee is still considering our application ever since we interviewed. When I called the office last week, they said I "might be waitlisted" whatever that is supposed to mean.

It's baffling to think that the AAMC guidelines could have caused so much chaos that some schools have abandoned all sense of propriety.
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holy balls i cant even imagine. was the school like this last year as well or just starting this year?
 
medicalone said:
The admissions committees can only work with the information given to them by applicants and the AAMC. They can't fill a class and know every single acceptance will absolutely attend if they can see that X number of applicants have only PTEd and have multiple acceptances but can't see WHO those people are.
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mmyeah.....no. I don't buy this at all.
The problem you just spelled out is a fundamental issue underlying every institution that processes and accepts applications. Dental schools, law schools, undergrad schools, and businesses, all handle applications in a timely manner. These institutions don't have access to multiple acceptance reports or inside information on applicants and they get along just fine.
It shouldn't take 14 months to hear back from a school. In no other facet of human life is this an acceptable practice. When it comes to medical school though, we all act like we have to hold onto the ankles of admission committee members on their way up to heaven.
 
SecretWombat said:
mmyeah.....no. I don't buy this at all.
The problem you just spelled out is a fundamental issue underlying every institution that processes and accepts applications. Dental schools, law schools, undergrad schools, and businesses, all handle applications in a timely manner. These institutions don't have access to multiple acceptance reports or inside information on applicants and they get along just fine.
It shouldn't take 14 months to hear back from a school. In no other facet of human life is this an acceptable practice. When it comes to medical school though, we all act like we have to hold onto the ankles of admission committee members on their way up to heaven.
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Most medical schools have full classes at this point but there are a lot of situations where they still might need to pull a few students off their waitlists. What exactly do you want the adcoms to do in this situation?
 
medicalone said:
Most medical schools have full classes at this point but there are a lot of situations where they still might need to pull a few students off their waitlists. What exactly do you want the adcoms to do in this situation?
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Took almost a year to get to get to a full class so at this point, the damage is already done. Who cares what they do now.
Adcoms could have chosen an earlier CTE date and locked people in with deposits but they were too busy complaining about how AAMC took away their precious MAR and predicting how much of a **** show this cycle was gonna be. Well, look what happened, AAMC was right, things went fine. The only bad thing that happened was that adcoms had a panic attack because their admission process is now similar to the application process at other academic institutions. As a result, they enacted poor policies.

Adcoms should have put less energy into freaking out and more energy into choosing an application policy that actually makes sense (like not choosing LITERALLY the LATEST possible CTE date).
It's almost as if adcoms wanted this application cycle to be a **** show so that they can say to AAMC "see, this is what happens when you give us less power" 🤔🤔🤔
 
scaredlostconfused said:
holy balls i cant even imagine. was the school like this last year as well or just starting this year?
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Nope, they used to WL people before April 30. Before last year, they also released the WL tier you were in, but the school just keeps going backwards.
 
areyoumydaddy said:
Nope, they used to WL people before April 30. Before last year, they also released the WL tier you were in, but the school just keeps going backwards.
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Disclaimer: I understand I am speaking from a position of privilege since I have an acceptance, and I also understand that med admissions is definitely a seller's market. But truly this situation does not reflect well on the institution in question and merely serves to make an already stressful process less transparent. I was on a WL for 6 months before receiving an acceptance. Can't imagine interviewing back in October and still not having an answer of any kind. In any other process, this would be unacceptable
 
pinkowl250 said:
Disclaimer: I understand I am speaking from a position of privilege since I have an acceptance, and I also understand that med admissions is definitely a seller's market. But truly this situation does not reflect well on the institution in question and merely serves to make an already stressful process less transparent. I was on a WL for 6 months before receiving an acceptance. Can't imagine interviewing back in October and still not having an answer of any kind. In any other process, this would be unacceptable
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My friend interviewed in September and didn’t get off the waitlist until the very last couple days in May.
 
Interviewed in September. Waitlisted April. Still waiting... 🙁
 
Lol, I interviewed at one school in September and got waitlisted in October. Still haven’t heard from this school. I interviewed at the other school in December and got waitlisted in February. Radio silence from both schools.
 
If we accept a federal loan at one school, it's disbursed and then applied to tuition, but then we get off WL at another school, is it relatively easy to get that refunded and applied to the other school (given their financial aid is equal)? Or is this dependent on a school's policy? I assume this will be a problem this year, given late WL movement and/or poaching. @gyngyn Any insights?
 
mchammer said:
If we accept a federal loan at one school, it's disbursed and then applied to tuition, but then we get off WL at another school, is it relatively easy to get that refunded and applied to the other school (given their financial aid is equal)? Or is this dependent on a school's policy? I assume this will be a problem this year, given late WL movement and/or poaching. @gyngyn Any insights?
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I believe federal aid isn’t disbursed until 21 days after the first day of class, but this could be school dependent.
 
M&L said:
in my school it is the first day of classes.
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I stand corrected then. 🙂

That must be nice...we have to cover everything the first few weeks ourselves before loans are disbursed/refunded.
 
Meridian17 said:
Well, today has been even MORE silent than normal with regards to movement, which I didn't think was possible. Maybe staff are off today.

But my waitlist school's CTE is fast approaching (4 days now) and still there has been no sign of movement. Zoinks scoob
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it's the 4th of july lol
 
Probably a lot more movement happening last week. my week's school cte deadline passed, someone dropped them a call and they said wait it out. more movement to come.
 
Probably a lot more movement happening last week. my week's school cte deadline passed, someone dropped them a call and they said wait it out. more movement to come.
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Which school? EDIT: and did you mean last week or this week
Meridian17 said:
I know, that's why I said maybe staff are off today...
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Most (probably all?) schools are off today. I would expect no WL movement today. Do your best to distract yourself fam.
 
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