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pre-doo-med said:
Anyone else have this email from September and have heard NOTHING since?

We have completed the first phase of our preliminary review of your application. At this time your transcript and course work are being reviewed to determine if you have successfully completed our requirements. Please note, pending courses are acceptable as long as they appear on your AMCAS application or you provide registration/course schedule. Please allow 2-4 weeks for this process to be completed.
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Got it in August and still nothing
 
I've not gotten my Zoom link or interview confirmation for my interview tomorrow... I called yesterday and they told me I was scheduled. Is this normal for folks?
 
cg90 said:
How did you hear back in July if the secondary wasn't sent out until August?
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Doh! You're right! I submitted almost al my secondaries in July, and got my dates confused. I went back and checked and submitted the secondary 8/14.
 
Has anyone who interviewed a long time ago received a decision recently? I interviewed in September and haven't heard a peep since. I just want to know if this means anything as I need to start planning my next year if this application cycle doesn't pan out the way I wished.
 
CrabcakesandFootball said:
Has anyone who interviewed a long time ago received a decision recently? I interviewed in September and haven't heard a peep since. I just want to know if this means anything as I need to start planning my next year if this application cycle doesn't pan out the way I wished.
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Same boat. Guess I won't have to move as far.
 
CrabcakesandFootball said:
Has anyone who interviewed a long time ago received a decision recently? I interviewed in September and haven't heard a peep since. I just want to know if this means anything as I need to start planning my next year if this application cycle doesn't pan out the way I wished.
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Unfortunately, it means you haven't been accepted yet, and that means, until you have an acceptance, that you have to plan as though you won't have one.

It's not great since, as you can see, they have been sending out As all along. The good news is that these guys have a very high II-->A conversion rate, so it really isn't over with them until it's over.

There is nothing to do except periodically sending updates and letters of interest/intent (enough to be persistent and make your interest clear without crossing the line into annoying them or seeming unreasonably desperate) and waiting. If you look at prior year threads, they do send As out right up until the end of their cycle, and people with early IIs have historically been among those receiving late As. It's not a guarantee though, which is why you can't count on it. Good luck.
 
KnightDoc said:
Unfortunately, it means you haven't been accepted yet, and that means, until you have an acceptance, that you have to plan as though you won't have one.

It's not great since, as you can see, they have been sending out As all along. The good news is that these guys have a very high II-->A conversion rate, so it really isn't over with them until it's over.

There is nothing to do except periodically sending updates and letters of interest/intent (enough to be persistent and make your interest clear without crossing the line into annoying them or seeming unreasonably desperate) and waiting. If you look at prior year threads, they do send As out right up until the end of their cycle, and people with early IIs have historically been among those receiving late As. It's not a guarantee though, which is why you can't count on it. Good luck.
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Do the intent letters really “work”? From what I have been researching, they are not viewed positively or make much of a difference.
 
medschoolapplicant101. said:
Do the intent letters really “work”? From what I have been researching, they are not viewed positively or make much of a difference.
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I feel letters of intent is meaningful because you are committing to going there if you are accepted. This can look good as admissions likely wants to have a high A:Matriculation ratio. I send an update letter in a few weeks ago so I don't want to spam them with material.
 
CrabcakesandFootball said:
I feel letters of intent is meaningful because you are committing to going there if you are accepted. This can look good as admissions likely wants to have a high A:Matriculation ratio. I send an update letter in a few weeks ago so I don't want to spam them with material.
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Yes and no. They are not binding and adcoms know that applicants send it to other programs as well.
 
Hey guys , if u interviewed, how do you send updates ? Did you email admissions or the HMSOM interviews email? Can’t find what to do online
 
Does anybody know what residencies are open? I saw in the handbook that anesthesia, urology, and derm were open for the program but don’t remember this during the admissions da
 
DukeSmith said:
Does anybody know what residencies are open? I saw in the handbook that anesthesia, urology, and derm were open for the program but don’t remember this during the admissions da
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I think they had the basic residencies like FM/IM/anesthesia, but they mentioned that for derm or more competitive ones, they expect you to take advantage of the research year
 
bananaman99 said:
I think they had the basic residencies like FM/IM/anesthesia, but they mentioned that for derm or more competitive ones, they expect you to take advantage of the research year
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Does anybody know how it works if you don’t match 4th year, tuition wise? Ie. If you got a dual degree or did research, would you still need to pay for tuition? Just curious.
 
medschoolapplicant101. said:
Do the intent letters really “work”? From what I have been researching, they are not viewed positively or make much of a difference.
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It really varies from school to school.

The adcoms who frequently post on SDN and generally down on them, but they are just one (or several 🙂) person's opinion, and they are at just one school each. All of the feedback that I've received so far, from multiple schools where I am WL, is that they absolutely do make a difference for movement on unranked WLs.

When schools are making calls in late April or May (or even later), there is a definite value to knowing that the person is committed and will accept an offer. If schools don't want them, they will let you know.
 
DukeSmith said:
Does anybody know how it works if you don’t match 4th year, tuition wise? Ie. If you got a dual degree or did research, would you still need to pay for tuition? Just curious.
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I'd expect that if you are an enrolled student that you'd be charged tuition. Isn't that the way it works everywhere, unless you get someone to fund your research?
 
KnightDoc said:
I'd expect that if you are an enrolled student that you'd be charged tuition. Isn't that the way it works everywhere, unless you get someone to fund your research?
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But I’m not even sure if students who don’t get right to residency take classes in phase 3. Or maybe it was advanced rotations. I’ll have to look at this again.
 
DukeSmith said:
But I’m not even sure if students who don’t get right to residency take classes in phase 3. Or maybe it was advanced rotations. I’ll have to look at this again.
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I'd definitely ask them directly. It's going to be difficult to get good information here, since the first class is just going through it now, and there are so few people actually in the 4th year now.

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm pretty sure 4th years are either doing research or rotations, no classes, just like at most other schools. Most schools certainly charge tuition in the 4th year, so why would these guys give anyone that break, and not charge tuition, if they are not going to work in their system, which is they whole point behind their cutting out the 4th year?
 
DukeSmith said:
Does anybody know how it works if you don’t match 4th year, tuition wise? Ie. If you got a dual degree or did research, would you still need to pay for tuition? Just curious.
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Hey! Somebody asked this during interview day 😀

So basically you only pay three years of tuition if you do the 3 year MD program and match into Hackensack. So definitely cheaper if you do the short way!

If you stay for a fourth year, regardless of what you're doing (research, rotations, etc), you are paying for another full year of tuition. Unless you're one of the few with a paid research position.

So yes, to stay an extra year to do a regular match, you have to pay more. The nice thing though is that even if you stay an extra year, if you rank Hackensack for the match, they will still match you at their top.

hope this helps!
 
CrabcakesandFootball said:
I’m sorry to both of you. Did you just find out via email?
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Yeah, email. This is actually the first bit of good news I’ve gotten since August and according to the email “the likelihood that waitlist candidates are admitted is considerable.” Obviously, I wish I got the A, but I’m stoked to be on the WL.
 
ftrdr2021 said:
Yeah, email. This is actually the first bit of good news I’ve gotten since August and according to the email
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What do you mean by that being good news? Obviously it’s not as bad as it could have been. I was also surprised you heard on a weekend
 
CrabcakesandFootball said:
What do you mean by that being good news? Obviously it’s not as bad as it could have been. I was also surprised you heard on a weekend
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When most schools put you on a WL, they don't go out of their way to say "the likelihood that waitlist candidates are admitted is considerable." Whether or not that ultimately proves to be the case for @ftrdr2021 remains to be seen, but I'd take that as good news as well. Not as good as an A, but still.
 
3yrtoMD said:
Are you going to Hackensack?
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idk yet. I have a couple more A's, but I am contemplating my priorities in life, and I think that a 3-year program with a guaranteed match into anesthesiology or gen surg (per the spreadsheets, Hackensack seems like a neat place to do residency) is the choice to make.
 
squameycellca said:
idk yet. I have a couple more A's, but I am contemplating my priorities in life, and I think that a 3-year program with a guaranteed match into anesthesiology or gen surg (per the spreadsheets, Hackensack seems like a neat place to do residency) is the choice to make.
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How do you know it’s guaranteed? Not being sarcastic, just didn’t remember it being a guarantee from the presentation.
 
DukeSmith said:
How do you know it’s guaranteed? Not being sarcastic, just didn’t remember it being a guarantee from the presentation.
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It's not, but it's a nice perk to have the option/possibility. You have to meet the requirements throughout the curriculum to be eligible to apply to early residency.
 
DukeSmith said:
How do you know it’s guaranteed? Not being sarcastic, just didn’t remember it being a guarantee from the presentation.
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I remember from my interview that they will match you with a mentor in your intended specialty, and as long as you meet the criteria, you will have a guaranteed spot in their residencies (excluding the competitive ones like uro, derm, etc, where they also recommend you do the full 4-years). Moreover, their first cohort filled all of Hackensack's anesthesiology seats. So yeah, as long as you put in the work (and meet the criteria), you will have a residency in their network.
 
squameycellca said:
I remember from my interview that they will match you with a mentor in your intended specialty, and as long as you meet the criteria, you will have a guaranteed spot in their residencies (excluding the competitive ones like uro, derm, etc, where they also recommend you do the full 4-years). Moreover, their first cohort filled all of Hackensack's anesthesiology seats. So yeah, as long as you put in the work (and meet the criteria), you will have a residency in their network.
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That's great for their smaller charter classes, but what happens when they have more people wanting to do what you want to do than slots in any given specialty, such as anesthesiology, now that the class size has ramped up from 60 to 150? It still sounds like a great opportunity, but I would not count on any "guarantee" that is not in writing or that has contingencies.
 
@wysdoc -- the school has not been affiliated with Seton Hall since 2020. Is there a way to modify the title of the thread to eliminate any confusion?
 
Do any current students know what percentage of the class wanted to do a residency but didn’t get matched 3rd year? How are these students doing interview wise outside of the system. Lastly do people know whether Hackensack University Medical Center residents are able to get fellowships
 
DukeSmith said:
Do any current students know what percentage of the class wanted to do a residency but didn’t get matched 3rd year? How are these students doing interview wise outside of the system. Lastly do people know whether Hackensack University Medical Center residents are able to get fellowships
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Their first class is going through the process right now. Only known are the students that graduated early to start residency last summer.
 
DukeSmith said:
True but they must be interviewing
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True, but it would be way too soon to get anything other than anecdotal feedback at this point in the process. Also, I very seriously doubt the school would break out match data for anyone who failed to match after 3 years from those doing the 4th year by choice, so I don't think we'd ever get the information you are looking for.

I'm just skeptical that the 3 year program is going to be a back door into guaranteed, desirable, competitive specialties, especially going forward as the school enrolls at capacity.

It's a great opportunity for those who just want to cut a year out of med school and work in the Hackensack-Meridian system, which is surely the primary motivation behind their establishing the school, similar to what was done at Kaiser and NYU-LI (minus the free tuition! 🙂). It's still a solid 4 year opportunity for people looking for a MD program who don't have an A at a more established school.

But it's hardly a going to be a guaranteed back door into a competitive specialty, after either 3 years or 4. That would have to be earned, just like at any other school. At least this school has it as a possibility, so it seems like the best of all worlds for the right person.
 
DukeSmith said:
How do you know it’s guaranteed? Not being sarcastic, just didn’t remember it being a guarantee from the presentation.
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They explicitly said that if you do the three year program offering it was guaranteed in the presentation. However not all specialties fall under that category, especially the more competitive ones.

So only the ones listed are guaranteed. I don’t think gen surg was one of them but I could be wrong.
 
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