2021-2022 Waitlist Support Thread

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Dang, that's great. As for me, I just got kicked off a WL and was rejected by ACOM.

I still got 4 WLs to wait for, but at this point, it's depressing to think about.
Try not to feel too bad. It's actually a blessing to know sooner rather than to be clinging to false hope through the remainder of the cycle. Also, DOs tend to have late WL movement, as people trade up to MDs when MD WLs start to move at the end of April, so try to remain positive. With 4 shots, the odds are pretty decent you are going to get a call.
 
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Hi everyone, I just found this thread and thank god honestly!! 4 interviews (do only but thats okay I am die hard DO) 3 WL since January and one pending decision (comes this friday). I am in purgatory jesus christ. If they knew reevaluation wouldnt happen until may they should just say that. I have seen 0 WL movement for these schools any idea when they might begin for DO?

I just want the cycle to be over. This endless waiting and hoping over the course of months is slowly k i l l i n g m e . How have you guys been coping after months of no contact?
 
Hi everyone, I just found this thread and thank god honestly!! 4 interviews (do only but thats okay I am die hard DO) 3 WL since January and one pending decision (comes this friday). I am in purgatory jesus christ. If they knew reevaluation wouldnt happen until may they should just say that. I have seen 0 WL movement for these schools any idea when they might begin for DO?

I just want the cycle to be over. This endless waiting and hoping over the course of months is slowly k i l l i n g m e . How have you guys been coping after months of no contact?
I will say now too, that OU HCOM (my #1 choice) told me "Our meeting [about waitlist movement] is scheduled for April so hold tight" and in multiple meetings post waitlist that "you belong here" etc. but I am so defeated after 0 movement seen I dont know how much I can trust the admins
 
I will say now too, that OU HCOM (my #1 choice) told me "Our meeting [about waitlist movement] is scheduled for April so hold tight" and in multiple meetings post waitlist that "you belong here" etc. but I am so defeated after 0 movement seen I dont know how much I can trust the admins
Just try to hang in. It's not easy for anyone, so know that you are not alone. Specifically with respect to DO, a lot of that WL movement will be driven by people "upgrading" to MD, so it should come as no surprise that a lot of DO movement will come after MD movement, which doesn't really start until people reduce MD As to 3 on 4/15 and to 1 on 4/30. I know it's tough, but there really is nothing to do bu be patient at this point inthe cycle. Good luck!!
 
I will say now too, that OU HCOM (my #1 choice) told me "Our meeting [about waitlist movement] is scheduled for April so hold tight" and in multiple meetings post waitlist that "you belong here" etc. but I am so defeated after 0 movement seen I dont know how much I can trust the admins

I'm not sure if it is any consolation, but I had a DO acceptance elsewhere and prior to withdrawing my A, they asked for updates about my intention to attend. So they certainly seemed interested in getting some waitlist movement going.
 
Thanks guys!! It is definitely reassuring to know some dates for MD (yeah its wacky how they're correlated but completely understandable movement happens after that)
 
I will say now too, that OU HCOM (my #1 choice) told me "Our meeting [about waitlist movement] is scheduled for April so hold tight" and in multiple meetings post waitlist that "you belong here" etc. but I am so defeated after 0 movement seen I dont know how much I can trust the admins
OU HCOM is a great school, hope you get in there!
 
3 WL here (2 MD, 1 DO). All schools are considered "good WL" to be on. However, I know I should be preparing for reapplication, but I don't know how I'm going to be able to give the cycle 100% with the amount of emotional distress this cycle has caused me.
 
3 WL here (2 MD, 1 DO). All schools are considered "good WL" to be on. However, I know I should be preparing for reapplication, but I don't know how I'm going to be able to give the cycle 100% with the amount of emotional distress this cycle has caused me.
It isnt about giving it 100%. It's about pushing through the pain, sadness and dissapointment. I had to reapply after a brutal cycle 4 II's, 4 WL's, and ngl it was awful. BUT, if you're ready to reapp (significant changes to your app or broader school list or improved interviewing) then grind it out. You'll be thanking yourself in September when all of your secondaries are out.

I've been there, it sucks. Deep breaths. one essay at time.
 
3 WL here (2 MD, 1 DO). All schools are considered "good WL" to be on. However, I know I should be preparing for reapplication, but I don't know how I'm going to be able to give the cycle 100% with the amount of emotional distress this cycle has caused me.
I am really feeling this right now 🙁( I'm just distracting myself by redoing my application for next year and burying myself in work while also praying like crazy. I know I shouldn't hold out much hope but it is so hard not to.
 
4 MD WL's (including one "priority WL" which historically everyone gets off of, but still do not want to count on it in case something's changed this cycle) but the thought of having to reapply again is killing me. Thought all of my interviews went well, but the only problem is they were all from mid-January to the end of March, even though I was complete at 45ish schools by mid-August. Time for the waiting game!!
 
Would love advice- I've sent an LOI, as well as an update (paper published) to my top choice medical school that I'm waitlisted on. Is there anything else I should be doing? Should I submit additional letters?

Thanks!
 
How're you all with families/partners doing? I'm down to my one and only WL. My fiance was recently offered a job position in the hospital where I'm on the WL and it'd be an awesome opportunity for her. Of course, she'd only accept it if I got an A so I'm really praying I get in. It just makes it so much harder to prepare for reapplying though!! On top of rewriting my entire app and tripling the number of schools I'm applying to, I have to find a new job and move in the next 1-2 months. This application stuff sucks :/

I hope we all get off the WL
 
How're you all with families/partners doing? I'm down to my one and only WL. My fiance was recently offered a job position in the hospital where I'm on the WL and it'd be an awesome opportunity for her. Of course, she'd only accept it if I got an A so I'm really praying I get in. It just makes it so much harder to prepare for reapplying though!! On top of rewriting my entire app and tripling the number of schools I'm applying to, I have to find a new job and move in the next 1-2 months. This application stuff sucks :/

I hope we all get off the WL
Unfortunately, I have kept my partner in Limbo. I am also on a single waitlist but lucky it is a "highest priority waitlist" to my state school. Luckily my partner provides me with a lot of reassurance which helps. Hopefully yours does the same. What I have been doing is having two plans. Plan A if I get an acceptance so I have already found housing at the school im waitlisted at. Plan B if I dont get an acceptance, other housing etc. Sadly, this is my SECOND time applying.
 
Unfortunately, I have kept my partner in Limbo. I am also on a single waitlist but lucky it is a "highest priority waitlist" to my state school. Luckily my partner provides me with a lot of reassurance which helps. Hopefully yours does the same. What I have been doing is having two plans. Plan A if I get an acceptance so I have already found housing at the school im waitlisted at. Plan B if I dont get an acceptance, other housing etc. Sadly, this is my SECOND time applying.
That’s awesome, I’m sure you’ll get good news soon then!! No idea about my ranking yet but should find out soon. But you’re right, my partner has been holding it down too. Just sucks from our end to keep them in limbo
 
That’s awesome, I’m sure you’ll get good news soon then!! No idea about my ranking yet but should find out soon. But you’re right, my partner has been holding it down too. Just sucks from our end to keep them in limbo
My wife is more stressed than me unfortunately. I am on 3 WLs, and WL-Purgatory ain’t fun. We knew there was a possibility I wouldn’t get in this cycle before I applied last year, and we knew there was a chance I’d get in but it would be late in the cycle or off a WL. But it’s a different feeling to actually experience it. Our lease ended beginning of April so we are living with my in-laws right now (luckily it’s a big house and they were kind enough to let us occupy their attic for $500/month). I just count our blessings. We have 3 WLs at 3 good institutions, all 3 are taking people off their WLs, 2 of them have very good WL movement from past years, we are both employed and saving money for med school (I’m a paramedic and she’s a dental hygienist). So I’m optimistic even though I’d take an acceptance sooner rather than later.
 
516 MCAT / 3.55 GPA, did not apply broadly, 15 schools, 1 II --> 1 WL. Advice for reapplying? Considering early decision to my state school (which was my 1 II and 1 WL).
 
516 MCAT / 3.55 GPA, did not apply broadly, 15 schools, 1 II --> 1 WL. Advice for reapplying? Considering early decision to my state school (which was my 1 II and 1 WL).
apply broadly. 35+

i will probably be going to one of the schools I added on a whim when many on here said that I had already applied to enough schools. you have plenty of time to prewrite secondaries, apply for the fee program etc

ED is too risky assuming you don’t have a verbal guarantee. If you don’t get in, your application will be late for most MD schools
 
516 MCAT / 3.55 GPA, did not apply broadly, 15 schools, 1 II --> 1 WL. Advice for reapplying? Considering early decision to my state school (which was my 1 II and 1 WL).
Apply very broadly. The two schools I have acceptances at are the two schools I was advised to not apply to, due to regional bias or not taking many OOS. You know your application best, so if you think you fit the specific mission then apply.
 
516 MCAT / 3.55 GPA, did not apply broadly, 15 schools, 1 II --> 1 WL. Advice for reapplying? Considering early decision to my state school (which was my 1 II and 1 WL).
Being disappointed is natural, and your one WL could still possibly turn into an A. That said, your takeaway from your cycle should be that not applying broadly with a sub par GPA (unless you are a URM, in which case 3.55 is pretty close to average for matriculants) was a risky move.

You should be seeking to reduce your risk in the next cycle, not increase it. Applying ED is an extremely risky, all or nothing strategy, based on how late your applications will be if you are either rejected or deferred ED.

As @voxveritatisetlucis suggested, if the school offers you a verbal assurance that you will be accepted if you apply ED, and if you are fine going to that school, with no leverage to negotiate fin aid because you will have no other As, then go for it. Otherwise, no, your next move is to fix your GPA through post-bacc work, fix whatever else is lacking in your application, and then apply broadly, including DO, in your next cycle. Good luck!
 
6 WL and 2 more decisions coming eventually, no A 😭. Of the 6 WL, 2 of them are regular WLs that seem to have 0 movement. I'm only hopeful about 1 or 2 of my WLs.

Is there anything I can do besides sending letters of intent/interest?
 
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I had 5 II —> 3R, 1WL and 1A. Extremely grateful for the A but damn those hard Rs from those 3 schools (my top 3 schools) really hurt esp when i thought the interviews were fine. Hoping I can somehow get off this WL as that’s school would be at least $200k less loans and is a way better fit.

Definitely more shaken than I thought I would be about decisions post-II, it feels more personal? if that makes sense
 
I had 5 II —> 3R, 1WL and 1A. Extremely grateful for the A but damn those hard Rs from those 3 schools (my top 3 schools) really hurt esp when i thought the interviews were fine. Hoping I can somehow get off this WL as that’s school would be at least $200k less loans and is a way better fit.

Definitely more shaken than I thought I would be about decisions post-II, it feels more personal? if that makes sense
Hey worst comes to worst you'll have a job that let's you pay that extra 200k off pretty quickly.
 
I had 5 II —> 3R, 1WL and 1A. Extremely grateful for the A but damn those hard Rs from those 3 schools (my top 3 schools) really hurt esp when i thought the interviews were fine. Hoping I can somehow get off this WL as that’s school would be at least $200k less loans and is a way better fit.

Definitely more shaken than I thought I would be about decisions post-II, it feels more personal? if that makes sense
Yes, it makes total sense. Pre-II Rs can be rationalized as a numbers game, with 80-90% of people being eliminated at this stage. It's not personal, especially because they haven't even met you.

Post-II, it feels personal, even though it really isn't. It's still a numbers game, albeit less so because all of the odds post-II are better than pre-II. And, of course, a post-II R is the absolute pits because at that point they have not only met you, but they have also decided you are not even worthy of being allowed to languish on the WL.

It doesn't bother me because I am just less sensitive than others, and would rather know up front that they don't want me, rather than clinging to false hope into the summer. But YMMV, and I totally get where you are coming from, since an early R, pre-WL, is unequivocally the worst possible post-II outcome, so it can't help but have a personal element to it.

I'd also prefer a system that performed a serious screen pre-secondary rather than forcing us to literally spend a few thousand dollars on applications that could be eliminated based on the primary. At least one school cynically collects a significant secondary fee but doesn't even ask you to write essays unless and until you receive an II. I was grateful I didn't have to waste time writing unnecessary essays, but resented having to spend over $100 to have someone glance at something I already spent over $1,000 to have transmitted to them (as well as to my other schools) before they decided to toss the application.

You received an A and know well before 4/30 you are going to medical school next year, regardless of what happens with WL movement. That is a far better position than many are in right now, so I'd focus on that and on doing whatever you can to provoke a call from your WL school. Good luck, and hang in there! 🙂
 
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Hang in there WL peep. I was acceped off of 2 WL out of 3 that I was on two years ago around the May and June time frame. Both were on my top tier school list. Did not get off the WL from the one school that was at the lower end of my list however. GL
 
Yes, it makes total sense. Pre-II Rs can be rationalized as a numbers game, with 80-90% of people being eliminated at this stage. It's not personal, especially because they haven't even met you.

Post-II, it feels personal, even though it really isn't. It's still a numbers game, albeit less so because all of the odds post-II are better than pre-II. And, of course, a post-II R is the absolute pits because at that point they have not only met you, but they have also decided you are not even worthy of being allowed to languish on the WL.

It doesn't bother me because I am just less sensitive than others, and would rather know up front that they don't want me, rather than clinging to false hope into the summer. But YMMV, and I totally get where you are coming from, since an early R, pre-WL, is unequivocally the worst possible post-II outcome, so it can't help but have a personal element to it.

I'd also prefer a system that performed a serious screen pre-secondary rather than forcing us to literally spend a few thousand dollars on applications that could be eliminated based on the primary. At least one school cynically collects a significant secondary fee but doesn't even ask you to write essays unless and until you receive an II. I was grateful I didn't have to waste time writing unnecessary essays, but resented having to spend over $100 to have someone glance at something I already spent over $1,000 to have transmitted to them (as well as to my other schools) before they decided to toss the application.

You received an A and know well before 4/30 you are going to medical school next year, regardless of what happens with WL movement. That is a far better position than many are in right now, so I'd focus on that and on doing whatever you can to provoke a call from your WL school. Good luck, and hang in there! 🙂
What is this April 15th deadline you have mentioned? Narrowing acceptances to 3? Is this a hard deadline?
 
What is this April 15th deadline you have mentioned? Narrowing acceptances to 3? Is this a hard deadline?
The AAMC suggests all applicants with multiple acceptances withdraw down to 3 acceptances by April 15. This is not a hard deadline.

They suggest this because on May 2nd, AAMC has a hard deadline to withdraw all acceptances except for one
 
I had two super recent interviews, one in mid-March and one in early April. Would sending a letter of interest/intent before my decision be a good or bad idea? Normally I would wait for the decision, but at this point, these schools are going to send a decision in late April or May. It seems weird to send a LOI that late.
 
I had two super recent interviews, one in mid-March and one in early April. Would sending a letter of interest/intent before my decision be a good or bad idea? Normally I would wait for the decision, but at this point, these schools are going to send a decision in late April or May. It seems weird to send a LOI that late.
I'm not an expert here, but I don't think it's a bad idea to send a letter of interest or intent before your decision as long as the school accepts it and it's a quality letter. Write with a purpose not just to submit something. If you have genuine interest that you would like to talk about or decided on why you would write a letter of intent to one school, I say go for it!
 
What is this April 15th deadline you have mentioned? Narrowing acceptances to 3? Is this a hard deadline?
The deadline I mentioned is 4/30, not 4/15. 4/15 is a soft deadline that AAMC recommends people reduce to 3 As by, but there is no enforcement mechanism for it. It's courtesy for fellow applicants, if you are so inclined, because it will help schools prepare for WL movement. But it's really no biggie, because the real action will begin within 2 weeks regardless.

4/30 IS a hard deadline (5/2 this year because 4/30 falls on a Saturday). That's the day everyone has to drop to 1 A and select it as PTE. If that is not done, schools can see, and can and will drop people unilaterally.
 
The deadline I mentioned is 4/30, not 4/15. 4/15 is a soft deadline that AAMC recommends people reduce to 3 As by, but there is no enforcement mechanism for it. It's courtesy for fellow applicants, if you are so inclined, because it will help schools prepare for WL movement. But it's really no biggie, because the real action will begin within 2 weeks regardless.

4/30 IS a hard deadline (5/2 this year because 4/30 falls on a Saturday). That's the day everyone has to drop to 1 A and select it as PTE. If that is not done, schools can see, and can and will drop people unilaterally.
So sorry for the questions, but what is "PTE"?
 
Yeah, I was about to ask, what if someone just straight up does not select a school to enroll in? Do they lose all offers?

One other question: What if someone is on multiple waitlists but has one acceptance? Do they have to PTE in that one school and lose their statuses on the other WL's?
 
Yeah, I was about to ask, what if someone just straight up does not select a school to enroll in? Do they lose all offers?

One other question: What if someone is on multiple waitlists but has one acceptance? Do they have to PTE in that one school and lose their statuses on the other WL's?
The "plan to enroll" option allows you to stay on waitlists. If you receive an A from the waitlist, I imagine you are given a period of time to decide which acceptance to keep (your original A or the new one from the waitlist). However, once you select "commit to enroll" you must withdraw from waitlists as well. Each school as their own commit to enroll deadline, so it is good to figure out when it is. It is typically sometime in the summer, about a month before orientation.
 
I had two super recent interviews, one in mid-March and one in early April. Would sending a letter of interest/intent before my decision be a good or bad idea? Normally I would wait for the decision, but at this point, these schools are going to send a decision in late April or May. It seems weird to send a LOI that late.
Your instincts are good. Letters before decisions have very little impact, other than at schools like Mayo that actively solicit them, because what can you really convey in a letter, pre-decision, that you couldn't in your application and interview?

These letters are useful, sometimes, in helping break ties when calling people off WLs. Not so much in making initial decisions, if the rest of the file, including the interview, does not result in an A on its own.
 
Yeah, I was about to ask, what if someone just straight up does not select a school to enroll in? Do they lose all offers?

One other question: What if someone is on multiple waitlists but has one acceptance? Do they have to PTE in that one school and lose their statuses on the other WL's?
Pretty much.

Every school sets its own policy, and some don't require the use of PTE to indicate a Plan to Enroll or CTE to indicate a Commit to Enroll. But, if your school does, and it does not see that you selected PTE on 5/2, it very well might dump you without warning, although most schools will reach out to you to ask what is going on.

Since the system will only allow you to select one school as PTE at a time, yes, this will happen at all schools. One way or the other, you will be left with only 1 A on or shortly after 5/2. Unless your school(s) does not require you to select it as PTE and is okay seeing you be PTE somewhere else.
 
Pretty much.

Every school sets its own policy, and some don't require the use of PTE to indicate a Plan to Enroll or CTE to indicate a Commit to Enroll. But, if your school does, and it does not see that you selected PTE on 5/2, it very well might dump you without warning, although most schools will reach out to you to ask what is going on.

Since the system will only allow you to select one school as PTE at a time, yes, this will happen at all schools. One way or the other, you will be left with only 1 A on or shortly after 5/2. Unless your school(s) does not require you to select it as PTE and is okay seeing you be PTE somewhere else.
out of curiosity, are there similar regulations for DO?
 
out of curiosity, are there similar regulations for DO?
I'm very far from a DO expert, but I don't think so. Coincidentally, I answered a similar question just yesterday in another thread!

No, and I'm not even sure that there is one. I was not a DO candidate this cycle. DO schools have a slightly different model, because they collect significant, non-refundable tuition deposits ($1,000-$2,500) soon after acceptance, and they are more than happy to have you forfeit those deposits and call people off WLs, right up until the start of school. OTOH, MD schools do not ask for a deposit of more than $100, which is fully refundable until 4/30. Many schools ask for no money at all upfront.

DO schools understand that they are going to lose people to MD schools as long as the MD schools are still calling people off WLs. Their business model relies on it, since they generate a lot of revenue from these forfeited 4-figure deposits. This is a reason DO schools interview and accept a lot of people early in the cycle who are clearly strong MD candidates, and then start interviewing for the WL, also relatively early in the cycle. They do it intentionally in order to grab those non-refundable deposits from people eager to buy a little insurance early in the cycle, knowing they are going to be going to the WL in April and May.

I just don't know how common it is to hold multiple DO As, due to the significant deposit money involved, or whether and how schools induce people to drop multiple DO As between the time those deposits are paid and the first tuition payment is due.

Yup. It's not just that they are high. It's that they are high and non-refundable!

This clearly advantages people who can afford to play that game, to the exclusion of others. It's an insidious, punitive system that generates significant revenue for the schools, but largely serves the function otherwise served by the AMCAS PTE/CTE system, since it makes it really expensive to just hold multiple seats until the end, for no reason other than indecisiveness.
 
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I am going to be this thread's hype person. We got this.
 
5 II's, 4 WL's and 1 post-II R. My app was pretty lopsided I think- 3.8 GPA and 515 MCAT, lots of research with multiple high author pubs, and lots of clinical hours. Got a committee letter with what I was told were great evals and LORs, applied early and to mostly research/teaching oriented schools in my score range. However, I had literally no nonclinical volunteering on my primary, no leadership besides my adjunct job and mentoring in my research lab, no crazy awards, no separate entry for shadowing, and no hobbies on the app. Didn't do a whole lot of interview prep either besides why medicine and why X school. Needless to say I've made a lot of mistakes I think.

Have been doing weekly nonclinical volunteering at a place I really like for a few months, and might ask my coordinator for a LOR to the WL schools that accept them. Other than that, I think I'll send a LOI to one of the schools, but I've heard it's bad practice to do so without any A's, so I'm not sure. Continued interest letters to the rest I think.

If it doesn't work out this cycle I probably won't reapply. It would be my 4th gap year (if I wait a year like the advice goes it would be 5,) my parents are both very old, I'm an only child, and I should be setting myself up to get a decent job before they die instead of applicant limbo with unpaid/low paying work, so they don't die worrying about me. Maybe apply for grad school. I think my resume is much more suited to it, and I could see myself being happy as a potential prof because I adore teaching and I could still make a difference in making people's lives better.

Anyway, just venting I guess. No one else to really talk to about this. I've been lurking for a while and reading all of you guys/girls' posts has helped me cope a lot, so thank you all very much. I read the entire WL support thread from last year, and I don't really see any of the eventual reapplicants from that thread in this one, so hopefully you all got accepted somewhere. Will be here throughout as well, and hopefully I can be of emotional support to you guys as you have been to me. You all sound like truly wonderful people, and even if this doesn't work out, I know you'll have the drive to succeed, whether it be pursuing this again or another career path. Thank you all again.
With your stats you should not give up, try one more time taking in account what you can improve. Read up on how to interview and practice with anyone who can help. Volunteer in an ER, hospice or become a CNA. If you are really serious, in 6 months, you could undertake training and become a paid EMT building clinical hours which med schools love to see. Good luck on whatever you decide.
 
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Currently on 4 WLs, 3 of which are at T20 schools. Do you guys think my chances of getting pulled off of a waitlist are low?
Hard to say. Getting off a T20 WL is definitely more difficult than at a lower ranked school, but, then again, you are a stronger than typical candidate by virtue of getting the T20 IIs. The question is, where are you relative to everyone else on the T20 WLs, and what kind of movement are they going to have?

No one here can answer that. Only the adcoms know, and they tend not to be at all transparent. Nothing to do but wait and pray, assuming you have sent the obligatory updates/LOIs. Good luck!!!
 
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