Back to Basics WW: A Cycling Edition - Game Thread

[Crayola227]

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That’s working under the assumption that village is so wrong that’s there is zero chance the tie is between a villager and a wolf, which is a foolish assumption to make. I would still rather see two villagers die in one go and get the info that they’re both villagers all at once than have a near tie, have a villager die, and then waste a whole day talking in circles to end up lynching the other person in the tie (which often happens). You’re not being harsh but it does feel you are being a bit patronizing/belittling. I understand that you disagree but I don’t super appreciate you implying that I simply don’t understand the game because that’s not correct, you and I just hold opposing positions on this topic.

Even the day in a circle is a better thing because more days = better for village. I've studied this in some depth, and it's basically a mathematical thing that more day cycles skews game balance to village wins.

Yes, village has a very high chance of being wrong, ESPECIALLY early in the game. Maybe less so later as there are more data points. The info that they are both villagers... not as helpful at this point in the game.

I seem patronizing because as far as I'm concerned, there really is only one right answer to whether or not this is a good idea D1. I don't like quick games and I certainly don't like quick wolf wins when I'm village.

I'm having a hard time articulating too, why village flips at this point will not help our VCA (vote count analysis) but admittedly that's not my strong suit.

 

[WeimMama]

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Ok first of all, this game does not have the ratios for that

Second of all, you're describing a scenario in which both people are village, but in your ideal world, they die at the same time with the added bonus of NOT having an additional day of discussion? Am I reading that correctly?

In an ideal world they would both be wolf, followed by one wolf and one village, and then yeah, two villagers. No matter what the ratio is its likely that village will mis-lynch many times and I'd rather do that in one day than waste a second day.

Although I can appreciate your comment on this game not having a great ratio for my point of view, that is something I hadn't thought of and I can appreciate that point.

 

[Crayola227]

Ok well in the meantime while you all figure out that this particular type of 3 way kind of sucks for village

Unlynch snowy
Lynch Stagg

Sorry, self-prez and original feels take precedence over real life

why to Stagg when I said I'd go Snowy to preserve you? Just curious.

 

[PippyPony]

In an ideal world they would both be wolf, followed by one wolf and one village, and then yeah, two villagers. No matter what the ratio is its likely that village will mis-lynch many times and I'd rather do that in one day than waste a second day.

Although I can appreciate your comment on this game not having a great ratio for my point of view, that is something I hadn't thought of and I can appreciate that point.

Ok. Well, my offer to swap still stands if you would like to move this along 😀

 

[PippyPony]

why to Stagg when I said I'd go Snowy to preserve you? Just curious.

Didn't see it, am on my phone and not refreshing that fast

Also would have probably done this anyways because I know I can trust myself to save myself; I don't know if I can trust other people to save myself, ya know?

 

[WeimMama]

Even the day in a circle is a better thing because more days = better for village. I've studied this in some depth, and it's basically a mathematical thing that more day cycles skews game balance to village wins.

Yes, village has a very high chance of being wrong, ESPECIALLY early in the game. Maybe less so later as there are more data points. The info that they are both villagers... not as helpful at this point in the game.

I seem patronizing because as far as I'm concerned, there really is only one right answer to whether or not this is a good idea D1. I don't like quick games and I certainly don't like quick wolf wins when I'm village.

I'm having a hard time articulating too, why village flips at this point will not help our VCA (vote count analysis) but admittedly that's not my strong suit.

I agree with the bolded, but the first tie is a random death - which isn't my favorite but I'd rather get it out of the way so that if there is a TRUE tie later (i.e. voters feel passionately enough about two people to let it go to a tie) they will both die and info will be gleaned.

Anyway this is a major digression from anything useful to finding wolves so

 

[WeimMama]

Ok. Well, my offer to swap still stands if you would like to move this along 😀

As always, if I'm gonna get kilt I'd rather it be in a tie.

 

[genny]

@Stagg737 do you know you're leading?

 

[genny]

As always, if I'm gonna get kilt I'd rather it be in a tie.

I'd rather be night killed, not lynched....

 

[Crayola227]

Didn't see it, am on my phone and not refreshing that fast

Also would have probably done this anyways because I know I can trust myself to save myself; I don't know if I can trust other people to save myself, ya know?

fair enough, it just started to feel like the wagon might go in that direction, and I'm OK with a Snowy or WM lynch for reasons now, and less with you and Stagg. Genny makes a point that feels village Genny against him, so I won't say I've cleared him.

 

[jaboo]

Alright, because I don’t think kata will be on before close and because I now have some feels

Unlynch kata
Lynch raf

 

[Crayola227]

not sure why but I'm feeling a lot rage right now

 

[Crayola227]

Alright, because I don’t think kata will be on before close and because I now have some feels

Unlynch kata
Lynch raf

what do you think about the other people up for the chopping block rn? Pippy, Stagg, Snowy?

 

[WeimMama]

I'd rather be night killed, not lynched....

Well same but that's a rare occurrence for me haha

 

[Skimble]

In an ideal world they would both be wolf, followed by one wolf and one village, and then yeah, two villagers. No matter what the ratio is its likely that village will mis-lynch many times and I'd rather do that in one day than waste a second day.

Although I can appreciate your comment on this game not having a great ratio for my point of view, that is something I hadn't thought of and I can appreciate that point.

When have two wolves ever been lynched in a tie? Please find me even one game where that happened. Most often two villagers die in a tie. You know who likes two villagers dying in a tie? Wolves.

 

[jaboo]

what do you think about the other people up for the chopping block rn? Pippy, Stagg, Snowy?

Pips I have slight feels for, but I can’t really put my finger on why right now.

Stagg I have neutral/slight village lean

Snowy’s post earlier was odd but not enough to make me lynch there. I’ve also wolved with a snowy before and I didn’t sense any red flags, but time will tell if that feeling is right or not.

 

[allieh8607]

Lynch mj

 

[Crayola227]

Lynch mj

why

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial D1 Lynch Tally

cheat (1) - sporty
kata () -
allie () -
pippy (3) - dolphin, snowy, cheat
stagg (4) - bryndy, cray, mj, pippy
genny () -
bryndy (1) - stagg
mj (3) - genny, am, allie
jboo () -
snowy (2) - skim, weim
weim (1) - raf
raf (1) - jboo

16/17

Missing: kata

Deadline 10pm EST (~15 min)

 

[Skimble]

Does someone have a current lynch count? Are we still tied, because I'm not ok with that, ever.

 

[allieh8607]

why

Because. I don't have time to analyze the top contenders currently and honestly don't have strong feelings towards them...but what does stick out to me is MJ just popping in to place a quick vote and I'd like to put more pressure there.

 

[Crayola227]

I feel trapped on the Stagg vote and I don't like that

also, these last few last min votes that happen to make things closer to a tie rather than further away

 

[Skimble]

Does someone have a current lynch count? Are we still tied, because I'm not ok with that, ever.

ninja'd… not sure who people are on stagg (except pippy, I get that). Seems like a lazy vote.

 

[Crayola227]

Because. I don't have time to analyze the top contenders currently and honestly don't have strong feelings towards them...but what does stick out to me is MJ just popping in to place a quick vote and I'd like to put more pressure there.

I get that... except I don't know if you caught you're putting us closer to a tie rather than away... and away should be the way to go

 

[WeimMama]

I'm not feeling/understanding the stagg vote at all merp merp.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I get that... except I don't know if you caught you're putting us closer to a tie rather than away... and away should be the way to go

You know that not everyone is going to be on the same candidate, right?

 

[jaboo]

Because. I don't have time to analyze the top contenders currently and honestly don't have strong feelings towards them...but what does stick out to me is MJ just popping in to place a quick vote and I'd like to put more pressure there.

I feel like MJ does that a lot tbh. My read of that was null.

 

[allieh8607]

I get that... except I don't know if you caught you're putting us closer to a tie rather than away... and away should be the way to go

Soo would you rather me vote for one of the top contenders and then not have a good reason why when questioned? Or do a true RNG between those with a lower amount of votes?

 

[Crayola227]

ninja'd… not sure who people are on stagg (except pippy, I get that). Seems like a lazy vote.

I was the first person to point out I had a bad feeling from his jokey vote, and it was Pippy who expounded on that and gave what I thought was a reasonable reason. So I take issue saying it's a lazy vote on my part.

In any case, is that who I'm voting for now? I thought I moved to Snowy. IDEK I'm exhausted

 

[allieh8607]

I feel like MJ does that a lot tbh. My read of that was null.

He does but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Because he does it as both a wolf and a villager it's hard for me to read him. Hence wanting to put pressure there. Although it's a little late in the cycle for pressuring I guess.

 

[Crayola227]

You know that not everyone is going to be on the same candidate, right?

well maybe not on the same one, sure, but why put us closer to tie after all this discussion? when has it ever gone well a scenario like right now?

 

[WeimMama]

unlynch snowy
lynch mj

not for the love of ties but for the un-love of the stagg vote and if the two runners up and pippy and mj who are both smart and helpful game players if village, i'd rather keep the one who will give more input.

 

[Crayola227]

Soo would you rather me vote for one of the top contenders and then not have a good reason why when questioned? Or do a true RNG between those with a lower amount of votes?

do a true RNG between those tied to make a not-tie

 

[allieh8607]

unlynch snowy
lynch mj

not for the love of ties but for the un-love of the stagg vote and if the two runners up and pippy and mj who are both smart and helpful game players if village, i'd rather keep the one who will give more input.

Hmmm I don't think I like this move

 

[Skimble]

I was the first person to point out I had a bad feeling from his jokey vote, and it was Pippy who expounded on that and gave what I thought was a reasonable reason. So I take issue saying it's a lazy vote on my part.

In any case, is that who I'm voting for now? I thought I moved to Snowy. IDEK I'm exhausted

You are voting stagg. I actually didn't recall you posting a reason for your vote, so chill. IMO it seems like a lazy vote from some.

 

[Animal Midwife]

well maybe not on the same one, sure, but why put us closer to tie after all this discussion? when has it ever gone well a scenario like right now?

Who should we be voting instead then?

unlynch snowy
lynch mj

not for the love of ties but for the un-love of the stagg vote and if the two runners up and pippy and mj who are both smart and helpful game players if village, i'd rather keep the one who will give more input.

Why do you keep referring to things as village scenarios?

 

[jaboo]

He does but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Because he does it as both a wolf and a villager it's hard for me to read him. Hence wanting to put pressure there. Although it's a little late in the cycle for pressuring I guess.

Not liking is different than sounding wolfy tho.

Agree with bolded.

 

[allieh8607]

do a true RNG between those tied to make a not-tie

But when I placed my MJ vote there wasn't a tie...

 

[Skimble]

unlynch snowy
lynch mj

not for the love of ties but for the un-love of the stagg vote and if the two runners up and pippy and mj who are both smart and helpful game players if village, i'd rather keep the one who will give more input.

When MJ has time, he actually has good input as a villager, and he usually ends up lynched no matter what. I'd rather keep him around a while longer.

 

[WeimMama]

Why do you keep referring to things as village scenarios?

I was trying to preempt someone like you asking my why I did something without putting a reason along with it but alas..

 

[Crayola227]

He does but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Because he does it as both a wolf and a villager it's hard for me to read him. Hence wanting to put pressure there. Although it's a little late in the cycle for pressuring I guess.

lol yes it is

I think he's a major bummer for a D1 vote and I just don't see why

reasons have been given for the likes of Stagg, Snowy, WM, Pippy, raf, even me probably, so I just don't see the move towards him except he's an easy D1 mislynch for wolves to accomplish. The ratio is such now, and D1, that this is a good chance for them to pull this off. Assuming he's not wolf. He could be, but if he flips wolf it's just gonna be right wolf null tell wrong reason

 

[WeimMama]

When MJ has time, he actually has good input as a villager, and he usually ends up lynched no matter what. I'd rather keep him around a while longer.

I agree. I'd rather lynch snowy. But i have yet to see a good reason for the stagg vote so im not excited to just let that happen

 

[Animal Midwife]

I was trying to preempt someone like you asking my why I did something without putting a reason along with it but alas..

You should only vote for who you think is a wolf. Not for who you think is the more expendable villager.

 

[allieh8607]

Unlynch mj
Lynch weim

 

[Crayola227]

###unlynch stagg ####

###lynch WM####

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial D1 Lynch Tally

cheat (1) - sporty
kata () -
allie () -
pippy (3) - dolphin, snowy, cheat
stagg (3) - bryndy, mj, pippy
genny () -
bryndy (1) - stagg
mj (3) - genny, am, weim
jboo () -
snowy (1) - skim
weim (3) - raf, allie, cray
raf (1) - jboo

16/17

Missing: kata

Deadline 10pm EST (~4 min)

 

[PippyPony]

do a true RNG between those tied to make a not-tie

I feel like allie is probably not going to do that after the role I gave her last game

 

[Crayola227]

please tell me this is not tying it up

 

[PippyPony]

please tell me this is not tying it up

No I think you un-tied it

Edit: omg I'm so slow on my phone

 

[Crayola227]

I feel like allie is probably not going to do that after the role I gave her last game

I don't mean she should actually do that... just saying that putting your vote on a not-contender to help steer us away from a tie because you don't want to pick a contender...