BoWWnty Hunting (2022) - Game Thread

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Chaostrodon said:
And ofc the three of you are hard tr ing each other like in most other games. So I expect atleast one of you is going to be very surprised.
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AM isn't in my or shorty's town reads, and she hasn't given hers
 
Chaostrodon said:
Heres reads :

Dubz : High volume , low signal d1 as I explained before. I dont like that she has a retaliatory read on me just bc I voted her and then moved off , even tho I mentioned the main reason I moved off was bc of what kd said. Maybe I shouldnt put that much stock into what kd said

Shorty : Something about her seems off , and I dont completely buy the mkg aggression

AM: Is being more reserved , being more careful with what she is posting .

And ofc the three of you are hard tr ing each other like in most other games. So I expect atleast one of you is going to be very surprised.

I dont think Cubs making a bounty w/o posting is as big of a deal as most people think. I dont think vis comments on mkg were that big of a deal either.

Currently null on cubs , genny and barks. Everyone else is a slight tr
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Where did I say I was hard village reading dubz or shorty?

Also, am I misunderstanding or is your "everyone else" just Zenge?
 
cubsrule4e said:
What do you think about Vis’ statement about bounties being tied to day cycle? Two bounties were out but those people were never in the lead, and when dubz switched to mkg she was already the vote leader. So I’m wondering if the bounty has to be in place on a before before they become the leading vote getter. Maybe they die earlier if they reach a vote majority at some point before close? I dunno. People seemed more turned off by the bounty thing but like dubz I still want to test it out. Barks seems to have a bit of sus as does vis (not seeing that one though). Maybe me and dubz put a bounty on each of them if that’s where people are looking to vote next.
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Sorry, I meant to answer this earlier and I'm just so swamped at work that I'm skimming posts between centrifuges, so I didn't get to it.

I still want to know what the bounties do since yesterday made it seem like they don't really impact the day cycle. Your theory is an interesting one. With the statement that they're tied to the day cycle, it makes my thought less likely - I wondered if there would be a reward for the death of someone with a bounty if they were killed overnight, but I don't see how that would fit with the info that Vis got from kd (and without an overnight flip so far, there's no way to confirm). I guess the way that I'm looking at it is I'd like to know what they do, but we know what regular voting does when it comes to eliminating someone, so personally, I'm more comfortable going after my wolf reads that way than with an unknown mechanic.

I'm sure the bounties do something, it wouldn't make sense for them to be in the game otherwise.
 
Chaostrodon said:
Heres reads :

Dubz : High volume , low signal d1 as I explained before. I dont like that she has a retaliatory read on me just bc I voted her and then moved off , even tho I mentioned the main reason I moved off was bc of what kd said. Maybe I shouldnt put that much stock into what kd said

Shorty : Something about her seems off , and I dont completely buy the mkg aggression

AM: Is being more reserved , being more careful with what she is posting .

And ofc the three of you are hard tr ing each other like in most other games. So I expect atleast one of you is going to be very surprised.

I dont think Cubs making a bounty w/o posting is as big of a deal as most people think. I dont think vis comments on mkg were that big of a deal either.

Currently null on cubs , genny and barks. Everyone else is a slight tr
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I'm not "hard tr ing" anyone. My list says leans for a reason.
 
cubsrule4e said:
I’m saying I’m not reading you wolfy but others are.
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I just don’t understand why your main suspicion other than genny was people on mkg but you’re not suspicious of me despite the reason being suspicious of me was because they thought my mkg vote was weird
 
Village:
shorty- Feels like her village self. Her pushing of me felt more in line with what I expect to see with village shorty.
Dubz- I haven't seen anything concerning, along the lines of "power wolfing" or the kind of plays I expect to see from wolf!Dubz.
AM- Bottom of my village leans. I didn't like the MK vote, but on the whole, she's seemed like shes playing to her village!meta.

Neutral:
Alley- She's overall seemed to be helping and game solving, and so I want to lean her closer to village, but I want to see more first.
Cubs- Not getting super wolfy vibes from cubs, but Dina isn't here to tell me I'm wrong so I'm putting cubs in my neutrals.
genny- Not sure how to read genny one way or the other this game. Neutral so far.

Wolfy:
Viscernable- Still didn't like the certainty of the MK read, but reaction to pressure felt genuine, but vis can be good at that, so not ready to pull her out of the wolf pile just yet, so I'll wait and see how today plays out.
Barks- She's being quiet. When she pops in it feels like shes popping in to be present and try and avoid getting called out more than it feels like shes pushing wolf reads and game solving.
Chaos- Coming on the thread and claiming to be attacked was wolfy AF in my eyes. Especially now with no one else claiming so far to have gotten any sort of night results, this might be a "paw caught in the cookie jar" situation. Aside from that, I thought his reads list was weird, and I don't agree with a lot of it/some of the statements about how other people are reading one another are flat wrong.
 
supershorty said:
@Zenge142, can you elaborate on your AM read? I've felt like most of what she's done so far is NAI, what posts are giving you a village lean?
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It’s easier to say none of her posts are giving me a wolf lean. She has a way of interacting with people and fighting with them when she’s wolfing that I haven’t seen here.

Her Chaos questioning for example felt like what I’ve seen from her village play.
 
Viscernable said:
I just don’t understand why your main suspicion other than genny was people on mkg but you’re not suspicious of me despite the reason being suspicious of me was because they thought my mkg vote was weird
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I’m saying I didn’t like the vote therefore the people on it don’t look great from the VCA standpoint. That is totally separate from me not scum leaning you for the other reasons everyone else was/is outside of the actual vote, like the emotional outburst for example.
 
Zenge142 said:
It’s easier to say none of her posts are giving me a wolf lean. She has a way of interacting with people and fighting with them when she’s wolfing that I haven’t seen here.

Her Chaos questioning for example felt like what I’ve seen from her village play.
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For what it’s worth, I was reading into gennys comment this morning about “there may be reasons not to share if you were attacked/got results” as either she did herself or she knows that someone else did. So her cryptic approach, plus me having a gut feeling she was the sneaky yeet and bounty person had me paranoid.

Also the “much less death than I was expecting” seemed like a telling line, and then her jumping on vis again immediately all has me looking hardest at her.
 
cubsrule4e said:
For what it’s worth, I was reading into gennys comment this morning about “there may be reasons not to share if you were attacked/got results” as either she did herself or she knows that someone else did. So her cryptic approach, plus me having a gut feeling she was the sneaky yeet and bounty person had me paranoid.
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Interesting. I had a very different interpretation and it made me lean in the opposite direction from you.
 
genny said:
But what if chaos was the only one attacked? Like everyone had the same thought about shooting him N1?
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That's not the only reason I have Chaos listed where I do. It's an accumulation of things, and even if there were other results to be had, coming on and immediately claiming to have been attacked, reads wolfy from me, especially from a player who isn't being widely village read. The lack of other people having any night results so far is just an ancillary item of note. If however literally no one could claim any night results whatsoever and we're left to believe Chaos was the only one who was attacked, and the only one with any actual night results, I'm going to have a hard time buying that.
 
Zenge142 said:
That's not the only reason I have Chaos listed where I do. It's an accumulation of things, and even if there were other results to be had, coming on and immediately claiming to have been attacked, reads wolfy from me, especially from a player who isn't being widely village read. The lack of other people having any night results so far is just an ancillary item of note. If however literally no one could claim any night results whatsoever and we're left to believe Chaos was the only one who was attacked, and the only one with any actual night results, I'm going to have a hard time buying that.
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Are you expecting the wolves to claim an attack or something?
Bc thats the only night action that can be inferred to exist based on someone being attacked
 
Chaostrodon said:
Are you expecting the wolves to claim an attack or something?
Bc thats the only night action that can be inferred to exist based on someone being attacked
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The write up implies multiple people were likely attacked, unless we go with
genny said:
But what if chaos was the only one attacked? Like everyone had the same thought about shooting him N1?
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that all of the actions were all directed to you, and thus the only people with any night results are you and people who acted on you, which I have a hard time believing.

Regardless, as I've stated previously. This is more of an oddity worth noting, not a smoking gun.
 
Zenge142 said:
The write up implies multiple people were likely attacked, unless we go with that all of the actions were all directed to you, and thus the only people with any night results are you and people who acted on you, which I have a hard time believing.

Regardless, as I've stated previously. This is more of an oddity worth noting, not a smoking gun.
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Well , if you are concluding from the write up that multiple people were attacked , then why would you doubt the only person who claims to have been attacked?

If Im lying and no one else is claiming being attacked , that would mean the write up is objectively wrong
 
kaydubs said:
Witnesses report they heard multiple shots fired through out the night.​
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@Zenge142, it says multiple shots, but there's no indication of where those shots were aimed. I don't see anything in there that would allow us to rule out the possibility of multiple shots being fired at the same person.

Though if multiple people did try to kill someone and that person didn't die, that might make me a little concerned about them tbh. It's not impossible for that person to be village, I can think of some fairly standard roles that would fit that, but I don't know if they'd get an attack notification.

but also don't know the mechanics in this game, so spitballing on those is probably not a good use of my time.
 
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Animal Midwife said:
It's mostly a tone thing, but she just feels villagey to me. Like the call out for me to support her specifically (when I was already on the counterwagon) seemed more like village panic.
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That's fair. How did you feel about her phrasing of why people were voting for her?

Her reaction to the pressure last night is what's giving me pause, as I mentioned before - I just don't think I've seen a wolf!Vis flail like that - but her reasoning for why she was being voted felt twisty and I don't know if it was just more panic or something else.
 
supershorty said:
Interesting. I had a very different interpretation and it made me lean in the opposite direction from you.
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I think I interpreted it the same way you did. Maybe.
 
supershorty said:
@Zenge142, it says multiple shots, but there's no indication of where those shots were aimed. I don't see anything in there that would allow us to rule out the possibility of multiple shots being fired at the same person.

Though if multiple people did try to kill someone and that person didn't die, that might make me a little concerned about them tbh. It's not impossible for that person to be village, I can think of some fairly standard roles that would fit that, but I don't know if they'd get an attack notification.

but also don't know the mechanics in this game, so spitballing on those is probably not a good use of my time.
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It's not a possibility I'm ruling out, but I would be surprised if everyone who acted last night did so on chaos, and the only actions were the multiple shots being fired. No watching or tracking or literally anything else. Just the shots being fired, and all of them being shot at Chaos. It would surprise me.

I would be less surprised by actions simply being silent, and Chaos lying about being attacked.
 
Zenge142 said:
It's not a possibility I'm ruling out, but I would be surprised if everyone who acted last night did so on chaos, and the only actions were the multiple shots being fired. No watching or tracking or literally anything else. Just the shots being fired, and all of them being shot at Chaos. It would surprise me.

I would be less surprised by actions simply being silent, and Chaos lying about being attacked.
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I don't think they are all silent, though I didn't receive anything last night that would allow me to confirm that.
 
supershorty said:
That's fair. How did you feel about her phrasing of why people were voting for her?

Her reaction to the pressure last night is what's giving me pause, as I mentioned before - I just don't think I've seen a wolf!Vis flail like that - but her reasoning for why she was being voted felt twisty and I don't know if it was just more panic or something else.
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I'll re-look at her reasoning shortly. From memory though, she didn't seem to retaliate to anyone specific on her wagon but mkg. There was also the last minute mkg iso which seems odd for a wolf that should care more about their own survival that close to deadline.
 
Why would me being aware of an attack mean actions are loud
 
Yeah, it's hard for me to read into the reasoning because I also like to attack lowposter before they become liability in games without minimums.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'll re-look at her reasoning shortly. From memory though, she didn't seem to retaliate to anyone specific on her wagon but mkg. There was also the last minute mkg iso which seems odd for a wolf that should care more about their own survival that close to deadline.
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Yeah, she didn't, it was kind of just twisting WHY people were voting for her. I pulled a couple of quotes:

Viscernable said:
I’m still not caught up but this is probably the most disappointed and annoyed I’ve been at D1. @Animal Midwife I need to borrow your whip, people are trying to misyeet me for voting early and not giving someone a default village read for lowposting.
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Viscernable said:
Sure, but I said I wasn’t confident in it (because there were few posts, because I historically have misread her, and because there’s ofc a large overlap in people’s tone as village and wolf) and that it was the strongest of all my very, very weak/absent reads on people. So is the reason for voting me that I didn’t have any strong wolf leans well before EOD1 at 5-6 pages of thread? Because that’s at least a lame of a reason to vote me as my reason for voting mkg.
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Bolded the parts that felt a little twisty to me, although on reread, they're coming across differently to me than they did last night and seem more like frustrated village exaggeration.
 
Chaostrodon said:
Why would me being aware of an attack mean actions are loud
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Why would you being aware of an attack NOT mean that at least some actions are loud? Does actions being loud mean something different on your homesite?
 
I know KD tends to favor louder actions so I would doubt that they're all quiet**. I also kind of think I know what chaos is getting at but given the whole multiple shots thing and that we don't know where all the shots came from, I'm not sure if it can quite be interpreted as a wolf attack. I'd think he would be an odd target for wolves given where he was at on most people's reads lists.

**But that's like, a mod meta thing and also she can do what she wants, I just figured I'd post the thought
 
Zenge142 said:
That's not the only reason I have Chaos listed where I do. It's an accumulation of things, and even if there were other results to be had, coming on and immediately claiming to have been attacked, reads wolfy from me, especially from a player who isn't being widely village read. The lack of other people having any night results so far is just an ancillary item of note. If however literally no one could claim any night results whatsoever and we're left to believe Chaos was the only one who was attacked, and the only one with any actual night results, I'm going to have a hard time buying that.
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I was mostly joking about chaos being the only one attacked. Because wow, how much would that suck for Chaos?

Also I think night results are a thing, so I wouldn’t want you to base your entire sketch theory of Chaos on getting night results. But it sounds like you’re not doing that anyway. So.
 
Zenge142 said:
Dubz- I haven't seen anything concerning, along the lines of "power wolfing" or the kind of plays I expect to see from wolf!Dubz.
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What do you look for from wolf!Dubz day 1? Have you caught her early game previously?
 
Zenge142 said:
Chaos- Coming on the thread and claiming to be attacked was wolfy AF in my eyes.
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What would be the specifically wolf motivation for claiming an attack?
 
Zenge142 said:
It’s easier to say none of her posts are giving me a wolf lean. She has a way of interacting with people and fighting with them when she’s wolfing that I haven’t seen here.

Her Chaos questioning for example felt like what I’ve seen from her village play.
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If your AM read is based mostly on a lack of wolf pings, why is she in village while alley is in neutral when you say she sounds like she’s wolfhunting?
 
cubsrule4e said:
For what it’s worth, I was reading into gennys comment this morning about “there may be reasons not to share if you were attacked/got results” as either she did herself or she knows that someone else did. So her cryptic approach, plus me having a gut feeling she was the sneaky yeet and bounty person had me paranoid.

Also the “much less death than I was expecting” seemed like a telling line, and then her jumping on vis again immediately all has me looking hardest at her.
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I don’t see why a wolf would be going out of their way to give village cryptic hints about their nightly kill attempt/actions, though.
 
supershorty said:
That's fair. How did you feel about her phrasing of why people were voting for her?

Her reaction to the pressure last night is what's giving me pause, as I mentioned before - I just don't think I've seen a wolf!Vis flail like that - but her reasoning for why she was being voted felt twisty and I don't know if it was just more panic or something else.
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The familial village rage finally hath flowed through me, and lo! The hollering commenced.
 
Viscernable said:
The familial village rage finally hath flowed through me, and lo! The hollering commenced.
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I knew, deep down, that rage!shorty surely wasn’t the only ragey kid of our year.
 
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