CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

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Clem J said:
I Think You Should Leave Tim Robinson GIF by NETFLIX
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I am village reading you so I can believe this. I haven't played in years so who am I to say what his scum range is anymore anyways?
 
alissa14 said:
i think it is well within zenge's scum range to bus tf out of PSV tbh
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You're suggesting that after PSV and I lost Spurs, our packmate, who bussed me D1, and I tried to build a wagon on D1, that I then came out of the gate D2 and did a 180 on my PSV read and bussed her into the ground?

What even is that as a narrative argument for how the game has played out?

Are there any vig shots left by chance? I kind of want to flip Alissa without having to vote for her.
 
Zenge142 said:
You're suggesting that after PSV and I lost Spurs, our packmate, who bussed me D1, and I tried to build a wagon on D1, that I then came out of the gate D2 and did a 180 on my PSV read and bussed her into the ground?

What even is that as a narrative argument for how the game has played out?

Are there any vig shots left by chance? I kind of want to flip Alissa without having to vote for her.
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idk man my reads on you are 50/50. I heavily rely on others to read you for me
 
Zenge142 said:
Are there any vig shots left by chance? I kind of want to flip Alissa without having to vote for her.
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i'd welcome the sweet release of death at this point. I forgot how stressful end game is because I don't know anything any more
 
Anyways I'm turning my brain off now I've done all the thinking I'm doing for the day barring more claims
 
I do think we need to flip beans but don't want to inch us closer to hammer yet
 
Zenge142 said:
No.

I was highlighting bean's phrasing "I believe she's village" as off, because "belief" has nothing to do with it. Rae is required to be village at this point, there's no other possible reality.
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I’m village, I’m just confused how you’re so sure of this.

Quite frankly the only person I’m sure of is Kitz.

Everyone else has possible scum equity.

I gotta do some reading.
 
Also, if you flip beans you flip me. That leaves you at 4 with at least one flipped villager.

I’m not sure of beans but I’m not sure of that plan either.
 
beans2020 said:
rae/spurs - UNLIKELY due to rae's heavy push on spurs. I doubt there would be bussing to this nature on N1 of the game.
clem/spurs - POSSIBLE. There is nothing unpairing between the two of them. Spurs discusses not wanting to vote Clem bc of pushing him hard last game and then proceeds to village read him. Clem doesn't say anything specific about Spurs.
SAR/spurs - POSSIBLE. I don't think either of them said anything about the other except for Spurs saying he didn't have a read on SAR.
kitz/spurs - UNLIKELY. Spurs started scumreading kitz after the derp!clear when most everyone else was village reading her. I don't know why spurs would throw his nooblet (comparatively) packmate under the bus like that AND draw that much attention to her.
dubz/spurs - POSSIBLE? There isn't anything massively unclearing between the two of them. Dubz starts as soft village reading spurs and he ends up in the POE later which does feel like a natural progression. Spurs doesn't offer much of an opinion on Dubz. The answer here is IDK.
samac/spurs - UNLIKELY due to both mutually sussing one another starting early in the game.
alissa/spurs - POSSIBLE. There are barely any interactions between alissa and spurs besides mutually village reading each other.
apop/spurs - POSSIBLE. There isn't much unpairing between the two of them. Spurs village reads apop and apop says she thinks spurs is neutral, maybe scum but unclear. That's it.
zenge/spurs - UNLIKELY due to spurs pushing for a zenge yeet D1.
barks/spurs - UNLIKELY due to barks voting spurs D1 pretty early on. I don't think there would be a bussing attempt like this.
psv/spurs - POSSIBLE. Very few interactions - spurs village reads PSV and PSV doesn't have much to say about spurs except for gentle questioning why people are scumreading him.
shorty/spurs - UNLIKELY. Shorty is sus of spurs right off the bat. Also, if we believe shorty's claim about JOAT and being vanillaized I'm not sure this is even worth pursuing.
fruit/spurs - UNLIKELY. Spurs becomes sus of fruit very quickly and fruit reciprocates that. I don't think they would have interacted in that way as partners.
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beans2020 said:
I would be interested in Alissa and apop. Alissa bc she really scum read poor barks and apop bc honestly everyone else seems villagey to me rn
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beans2020 said:
I know a few people have been village reading alissa - can someone explain why? She's the player i feel the most worried about right now - I feel like she has been flying under the radar a bit and could easily be paired with spurs/psv OR be a separate faction. My gut just says something isn't right with her especially when considering the other players in the game atp.
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beans2020 said:
1. If we're looking for another wolf partner for PSV/spurs as the last scum, I believe that either apop or alissa could be paired with them.
2. I believe that you, kitz, clem, and rae are all village. It does make me a little nervous that you're still alive, zenge, but for the moment I think it's okay - I will be more concerned if you're still alive a day cycle or two from now.
3. To be fair I haven't finished iso'ing apop yet and haven't done alissa. But at least from what I've seen of apop I still feel like she's been more passive than I'm used to. I'm up to D2 and I feel like I'm seeing a lot of changing reads based on what other players are saying. (which I've done too, don't get me wrong). I just feel like in past games I've seen a more active apop than this. Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why apop is scumreading me so hard. Apop starts out fully village reading me and then reads shorty's iso in which shorty suggests that I may be paired with spurs (and then retracts that after PSV flip) and apop has been scumreading me ever since. I almost feel like there's a lack of independent thought and parroting what other players are already saying (sorry apop, this is not a critique of your playstyle ily).
I will update with my thoughts on alissa and more complete thoughts on apop when I have time to finish the iso's.
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interesting that beans is the only one who has done pair analysis
 
_rae_ said:
Also, if you flip beans you flip me. That leaves you at 4 with at least one flipped villager.

I’m not sure of beans but I’m not sure of that plan either.
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How sure are you that beans is village?
 
_rae_ said:
Also, if you flip beans you flip me. That leaves you at 4 with at least one flipped villager.

I’m not sure of beans but I’m not sure of that plan either.
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Leaves us at 5

And yeah it sucks but beans is the most likely mafia imo so it's kind of a ****ty tradeoff
 
alissa14 said:
How sure are you that beans is village?
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At this point I’m not. But if she is then you’ve lost two villagers.

My thought is there’s one scum left. Yeet someone today, see if we die overnight. If we don’t, hammer the hell out of beans.

If we do die, best of luck but we bought you some time.
 
_rae_ said:
At this point I’m not. But if she is then you’ve lost two villagers.

My thought is there’s one scum left. Yeet someone today, see if we die overnight. If we don’t, hammer the hell out of beans.

If we do die, best of luck but we bought you some time.
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We can do a "no vote." I double-checked with mods that it is allowed. Though I really think we should not give up town's main power, which is voting
 
To be clear, I don't think zenge bussed PSV. I think it's dangerous to just assume that the last scum is a wolf paired with spurs and PSV.
 
alissa14 said:
We can do a "no vote." I double-checked with mods that it is allowed. Though I really think we should not give up town's main power, which is voting
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Mathematically that could be better than misyeeting, but not better than getting a scum if we have a good shot.

I guess we have to decide if we have a good enough shot?
 
beans2020 said:
To be clear, I don't think zenge bussed PSV. I think it's dangerous to just assume that the last scum is a wolf paired with spurs and PSV.
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Where are the other night deaths
 
If we do want to look for another wolf, I still think apop or clem are the most likely candidates to be paired with spurs/PSV
 
beans2020 said:
To be clear, I don't think zenge bussed PSV. I think it's dangerous to just assume that the last scum is a wolf paired with spurs and PSV.
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How do you feel about Clem insisting our last scum are wolves?
 
apoptosis09 said:
Mathematically that could be better than misyeeting, but not better than getting a scum if we have a good shot.

I guess we have to decide if we have a good enough shot?
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Not killing anyone at 7 is almost always a mistake, it loses us one day

At an even number it's a reasonable consideration
 
apoptosis09 said:
How do you feel about Clem insisting our last scum are wolves?
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A little concerned. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility and we should consider it, but we have no way of knowing if that's true until we've flipped scum and when village starts to make assumptions about things that's when we lose. Especially in a game like this one.
 
In a world where Beans is town and there are 2 scum left, not voting today is an automatic Town loss.

Down 2 villagers today. 2 Night Kills overnight leaves 2 scum of different factions and 1 villager left to decide which scum wins.
 
apoptosis09 said:
How do you feel about Clem insisting our last scum are wolves?
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I mean it makes sense unless the doctor and blocker we previously had were successful at preventing NKs the other nights to prevent a total of 3 deaths
 
How likely is it for there to be one (or two) non wolf baddies left? Idk if i see anyone working together?
 
alissa14 said:
unless the doctor and blocker we previously had were successful at preventing NKs the other nights to prevent a total of 3 deaths
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It's not impossible.
 
My brain can't math today to analyze numbers
 
Clem J said:
Where are the other night deaths
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How do we know SAR killed every night?
N1 -> spurs (w) and genny (v) killed. The wolves didn't kill spurs so the assumption is SAR did and that a wolf killed genny.
N2 -> samac (v) and shorty (v) killed. No way to know what scum killed which person.
N3 -> SAR (sk) and dubz (v) killed. The assumption is still that SAR killed dubz and another scum killed SAR. But how do we know it was a wolf? PSV died before samac and shorty. Was there another wolf that killed on N2 or was it another scum faction? Was it a wolf and another scum and SAR held her kill?
 
Clem J said:
Where are the other night deaths
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What do you mean?
Both flipped wolves were out before N2. We've flipped at least 2 roles that could block a nk.
It's entirely possible we are out of wolves and this is a red herring. It's possible we have only wolves left. It's (vaguely) possible we have both.

All of this assumption of how many and what type of scum we have is all very WIFOM
 
beans2020 said:
How do we know SAR killed every night?
N1 -> spurs (w) and genny (v) killed. The wolves didn't kill spurs so the assumption is SAR did and that a wolf killed genny.
N2 -> samac (v) and shorty (v) killed. No way to know what scum killed which person.
N3 -> SAR (sk) and dubz (v) killed. The assumption is still that SAR killed dubz and another scum killed SAR. But how do we know it was a wolf? PSV died before samac and shorty. Was there another wolf that killed on N2 or was it another scum faction? Was it a wolf and another scum and SAR held her kill?
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there is absolutely no reason for SAR to withhold her kill. She was being town-read especially after Dubz's soul read. Serial killer wants to be the only player left alive so there's no reason for her to withhold when she wants everyone dead
 
Zenge
Kitz
Apop
rae
clem
Beans

Copied from my previous reads list. This is basically where I am at
 
apoptosis09 said:
What do you mean?
Both flipped wolves were out before N2. We've flipped at least 2 roles that could block a nk.
It's entirely possible we are out of wolves and this is a red herring. It's possible we have only wolves left. It's (vaguely) possible we have both.

All of this assumption of how many and what type of scum we have is all very WIFOM
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*insert multiball gif*
 
beans2020 said:
How do we know SAR killed every night?
N1 -> spurs (w) and genny (v) killed. The wolves didn't kill spurs so the assumption is SAR did and that a wolf killed genny.
N2 -> samac (v) and shorty (v) killed. No way to know what scum killed which person.
N3 -> SAR (sk) and dubz (v) killed. The assumption is still that SAR killed dubz and another scum killed SAR. But how do we know it was a wolf? PSV died before samac and shorty. Was there another wolf that killed on N2 or was it another scum faction? Was it a wolf and another scum and SAR held her kill?
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Holding her kill would be a pretty weird choice but sure it's technically possible

I'm not really interested in arguing unlikely hypotheticals like this rn tbh
 
alissa14 said:
there is absolutely no reason for SAR to withhold her kill. She was being town-read especially after Dubz's soul read. Serial killer wants to be the only player left alive so there's no reason for her to withhold when she wants everyone dead
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I mean I don't disagree. I was looking back at old CYO games and the serial killer in CYO II held their kills to throw people off the scent. That's why it crossed my mind that it was a possibility here.
 
Just to stay ahead of things I am NOT implying we vote sleep. I thing that’s a waste of a day and if that’s how people are feeling then just flip us to get the beans thing over and done with.
 
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