CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

[WonderingStudent]

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Haven't read anyone's posts yet but just wrote this up when I got home a little while ago from work:

Thoughts on discarded roles:
Discards
shorty - Town Roleblocker : there’s a lot of roles I would take instead of roleblocker. Can screw with villager roles but still interesting choice - not the worst village role, can be helpful at times
Cray - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
please - Mafia Strongman : fairly good mafia role
Vis - Watchlisted Townie : not a good role in general so understandably discarded.
sunshine - Town Conspiracy Theorist : relatively good role. Cop for alien detection. There is a lot of different factions of scum so this is very specific but still could have been good to check for alien roles
alley - Town Nymphomaniac : understandably discarded because who wants to willingly be lovers with someone
dubz - Alien Prober : extremely suspicious that WZ did not choose this. I could see her choosing 3P over alien (doesn’t mean not village aligned but….) Last CYO she chose to be Judas (3P village aligned that turns Mafia if killed)
Stagg - Tentacled Townie : terrible role so understandably discarded
Zenge - Werewolf Gravedigger : terrible role so understandably discarded
Dina - Hirsute Goon : slightly worse vanilla mafia goon role
Coop - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
Wonder - Vanilla Townie: can mean anything
cubs - Alien Mass Redirector : pretty cool role. Wonder if he had a better choice/chose a village role because of the number of rerolls we had. Slight sus that did not take this.
Chaos - Ninja Werewolf : good wolf role. Slight sus that did not take this role.

Reasons I can think of for discarding good scum roles:
- after 3 rerolls, chose village so don't have to reroll again
- had a better scum role choice
- would rather be village in general
- had a better village role choice
- made a bad choice/choose a worse role

Wonder's paraphrasing FTF from CYO the first’s dead chat to keep in mind:
Reasons for discarding a good village role:

• Other choice was a better village role
• player would rather play scum
• Had a better scum role
• Choose a bad town role/made bad choice

edit to say I made an addendum in a later post explaining I wrote this forgetting that this is differently structured than last CYO game.

 

[cubsrule4e]

i thought that too at first
but what he's given is just his affiliation, and the ability he essentially discarded
we know he is a town ______ but most likely (unless he got it twice) not a town vig

From what I can see, there are 3 town vig roles, and 1 mafia vig role. "vig-aligned" could mean any one of the 4. It doesnt make him town affiliated with his original declaration.

 

[WonderingStudent]

When I asked, Mods did not disclose to me the range of acceptable ratio for game to run village:scum. Best we have is looking at what ratio ran last time/what mods said last CYO. Thankfully I kept track of that last time.


Quoting CYO I:

28 roles distributed

Spoiler: Number of each alignment that was discarded

Mafia: 1
Village: 9
Wolf: 2
Alien: 1
(not very helpful) Wildcard: 1

AM said that she wanted to have a minimum of 50% villagers in the game to start (Not sure if "wants to" means that the game wouldn't have run without having this number though).

If we are going based on AM's "minimum" scenario:
We started with >=7 villagers
Now we would be at >=1 villagers.

Spoiler: Total alignments for cards distributed in that game:

Mafia: 4
Village: 17
Wolf: 3
Alien: 1
(not very helpful) Wildcard: 1
3P: 1

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
alley (1) - cubs
Stagg (2) - Vis, alley
Cray (1) - Stagg
Vis () -
sunshine (1) - Chaos

5/14
yeet close in ~26 hours

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

I thought they work the same as aliens

Aliens get one factional kill per game, Replicants can kill nightly
Although in some alternative idea themes the replicants get different factional abilities that are closer to aliens

 

[cubsrule4e]

cubs - Alien Mass Redirector : pretty cool role. Wonder if he had a better choice/chose a village role because of the number of rerolls we had. Slight sus that did not take this.

1x Mass redirection really isnt that cool, nor does it seem terribly useful unless you have some kind of cult-affiliated objective.

 

[Crayola227]

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Stronger roles do exist but I think in Pleasy’s case at least, she very much prefers town to scum, so I’m more inclined to read her discarding a powerful scum role as a move that she likely chose village.

I can’t speak to chaos’s subjectivity or preferences.

See, I wouldn't go that far because maybe she only had scum to choose from.

All I know if that if someone discards town, they could have been town is the only thing confirmed. So for them to be scum means I have to believe they would have discarded the town role to be scum. That's usually only going to be likely if a few things are true for that player.

OTOH, discarding scum tells me very little about alignment imho.

I say this because my first roll was only between town options, and my second was only between scum options, and my third only between town again.

 

[Crayola227]

Then you would've chosen it twice, one for alignment and one for ability. Are you claiming you got it all three times?

No, but I am finding it very interesting what you and Stagg are trying to make of my discard and why.

 

[WildZoo]

Haven't read anyone's posts yet but just wrote this up when I got home a little while ago from work:

Thoughts on discarded roles:
Discards
shorty - Town Roleblocker : there’s a lot of roles I would take instead of roleblocker. Can screw with villager roles but still interesting choice - not the worst village role, can be helpful at times
Cray - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
please - Mafia Strongman : fairly good mafia role
Vis - Watchlisted Townie : not a good role in general so understandably discarded.
sunshine - Town Conspiracy Theorist : relatively good role. Cop for alien detection. There is a lot of different factions of scum so this is very specific but still could have been good to check for alien roles
alley - Town Nymphomaniac : understandably discarded because who wants to willingly be lovers with someone
dubz - Alien Prober : extremely suspicious that WZ did not choose this. I could see her choosing 3P over alien (doesn’t mean not village aligned but….) Last CYO she chose to be Judas (3P village aligned that turns Mafia if killed)
Stagg - Tentacled Townie : terrible role so understandably discarded
Zenge - Werewolf Gravedigger : terrible role so understandably discarded
Dina - Hirsute Goon : slightly worse vanilla mafia goon role
Coop - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
Wonder - Vanilla Townie: can mean anything
cubs - Alien Mass Redirector : pretty cool role. Wonder if he had a better choice/chose a village role because of the number of rerolls we had. Slight sus that did not take this.
Chaos - Ninja Werewolf : good wolf role. Slight sus that did not take this role.

Reasons I can think of for discarding good scum roles:
- after 3 rerolls, chose village so don't have to reroll again
- had a better scum role choice
- would rather be village in general
- had a better village role choice
- made a bad choice/choose a worse role

Wonder's paraphrasing FTF from CYO the first’s dead chat to keep in mind:
Reasons for discarding a good village role:

• Other choice was a better village role
• player would rather play scum
• Had a better scum role
• Choose a bad town role/made bad choice

Meh. Last time it was either Judas or some other crappy role that I don't remember. Neither were good options.

You are looking at these with the understanding that, if not discarded, these roles would have been used for alignment OR ability, not both, right? I didn't want to be an Alien. It's more neutered wolf than 3p. Would rather be village than risk ending up as a lone scum with a single kill and last man standing win condition. No thanks.

 

[Crayola227]

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Or because they only had town roles to pick from. Just as youre pointing out some people may have only had scum to pick from. I dont remember this much emphasis being placed on discard roles so soon in the game in CYO I. Seems strange that the first thing Chaos wants to do is start revealing.

How is this any different than the point I made?

All I'm saying is that to think someone discarded a town role and is scum, means either that town role seriously blew more than a scum role in that person's estimation, or if the town discard looks decent, they had something better to pick from in their estimation. So then you need to decide, would they consider some scum roles preferable to the town role discarded?

I'm not saying a scum role discard is particularly illuminating, but isn't it simple logic that the only way to believe someone who discarded town is scum, is to believe they would pick scum over town? If you don't think so, then it does more to support they're town.

 

[supershorty]

For example why'd you turn down town roleblocker?

Then you would've chosen it twice, one for alignment and one for ability. Are you claiming you got it all three times?

I'm not going to put my vote here today when Coop was a mod last game and hasn't played in a while, but I want to make a note that these interactions felt a little like fishing to me.

 

[WildZoo]

Incidentally you wouldn't have to have vanilla townie available twice to end up as vanilla townie. You could have mafia goon and choose that as your ability and townie whatever and choose that as your affiliation.

This is probably irrelevant, as I find most of this discussion to be tbh

 

[Zenge142]

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See, I wouldn't go that far because maybe she only had scum to choose from.

All I know if that if someone discards town, they could have been town is the only thing confirmed. So for them to be scum means I have to believe they would have discarded the town role to be scum. That's usually only going to be likely if a few things are true for that player.

OTOH, discarding scum tells me very little about alignment imho.

I say this because my first roll was only between town options, and my second was only between scum options, and my third only between town again.

Fair points to make.

I guess my one hang up about it would be that if they had only scum to choose from, and they disregarded a pretty decent scum power role, it would essentially necessitate that they got not just all scum, but super amazing scum PR options. Just seems more likely that they had and chose a village option.

But you are right, nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Crayola227]

So at first I was also hella confused what he was asking us to share. But I think I understand it now.

I’m jealous! You know how much I wanted to be a mason.

Do *any* of us know Stagg that well? I got the same vibe as Vis that he would pick scum roles, but he sounds legit when he said he had no idea how to properly choose his role.

*in before she says @supershorty ’s tone is off*

Cray did *just* win as a wolf. I could see her wanting to avoid scum roles, but I do find it a bit odd she discarded vanilla townie. Honestly just makes me assume she probably chose a village PR instead.

Thank you shorty for explaining chaos’ post in a way that makes sense. I used the vanilla townie as my affiliation.

So somebody could get the mafia godfather role and a town role, and use them together to make themselves a town godfather. But only ONE person can be assigned the town godfather role. Does that make sense?


I have no idea why, but it cracked me up imagining someone saying with full confidence “oh yeah, I picked wolf ultramurderer for my affiliation”

That was a very painful and difficult wolf win. I HATE losing as a wolf, and with games tending to be village-sided or just the stats skewing to village wins regardless, I like to avoid scum whenever I can.

I told Midwife this somewhere public (a game or deadchat) that while I enjoy wolfing when *forced to,* it's something I have to be forced to do. I embrace it for the team (wolf pack AND villagers alike really) because people doing their best when it's their turn to wolf is the only way we all get to have fun playing challenging games. I take being a wolf as having a substantially high proportion of responsibility to everyone playing compared to villaging, because of the way numbers work (yes it's important that all villagers do their part, but it's less devastating to the game/team if your ass gets yeeted early as a villager than as a wolf). I also pointed out I'm a masochist so while I may enjoy things that hurt me, that still doesn't mean I don't need some coercion to fully enjoy a painful experience.

In any case I told her my stomach usually falls to the floor with disappointment about how much work is ahead of me whenever I see that pack PM in my inbox. But I make the best of it and try to have fun anyway. I'll never buck my duty as a wolf and I may have fun, but don't mistake that for enthusiasm and I would pick scum.

Being an exclusive 3P without any sort of someone to work with by PM I dislike even more. 3P with something more like a pack PM structure might be OK, but that justs puts it on par with wolfing and still way below villaging for me. True neutral 3P I can tolerate pretty well since you can usually just play as village (not always, but I dislike having any side missions).

In any case, this is all rehashing things I've said before outside a game.

 

[Crayola227]

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Well, he is my archnemesis

And he is my adoptee. I won't claim to have accuracy reading him, beyond one of his deep wolf heavy bussing games I totally had him pegged which ultimately did me no good. But I do think I have a decent feel for his meta.

 

[WildZoo]

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How is this any different than the point I made?

All I'm saying is that to think someone discarded a town role and is scum, means either that town role seriously blew more than a scum role in that person's estimation, or if the town discard looks decent, they had something better to pick from in their estimation. So then you need to decide, would they consider some scum roles preferable to the town role discarded?

I'm not saying a scum role discard is particularly illuminating, but isn't it simple logic that the only way to believe someone who discarded town is scum, is to believe they would pick scum over town? If you don't think so, then it does more to support they're town.

Ehhhh

If you're looking at this as someone discarded a town affiliation we do not know what abilities they had available to match up with that affiliation. So we don't know if their town option "looked decent" because in a world there that was their only town card, if they chose it they would not be able to use the corresponding ability. So it's not "would they consider some scum roles preferable" to the discard that we see, it's would they consider some scum roles (which is a wide range of stuff here) better than a town role with whatever ability options they had. Which is like. Impossible to even try to parse out. Does anyone really hate being scum enough to choose to be town with a harmful ability (again I haven't looked at the whole list yet but I'm sure such things exist)? I'm not gonna bank on that.

 

[Crayola227]

Haven't read anyone's posts yet but just wrote this up when I got home a little while ago from work:

Thoughts on discarded roles:
Discards
shorty - Town Roleblocker : there’s a lot of roles I would take instead of roleblocker. Can screw with villager roles but still interesting choice - not the worst village role, can be helpful at times
Cray - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
please - Mafia Strongman : fairly good mafia role
Vis - Watchlisted Townie : not a good role in general so understandably discarded.
sunshine - Town Conspiracy Theorist : relatively good role. Cop for alien detection. There is a lot of different factions of scum so this is very specific but still could have been good to check for alien roles
alley - Town Nymphomaniac : understandably discarded because who wants to willingly be lovers with someone
dubz - Alien Prober : extremely suspicious that WZ did not choose this. I could see her choosing 3P over alien (doesn’t mean not village aligned but….) Last CYO she chose to be Judas (3P village aligned that turns Mafia if killed)
Stagg - Tentacled Townie : terrible role so understandably discarded
Zenge - Werewolf Gravedigger : terrible role so understandably discarded
Dina - Hirsute Goon : slightly worse vanilla mafia goon role
Coop - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
Wonder - Vanilla Townie: can mean anything
cubs - Alien Mass Redirector : pretty cool role. Wonder if he had a better choice/chose a village role because of the number of rerolls we had. Slight sus that did not take this.
Chaos - Ninja Werewolf : good wolf role. Slight sus that did not take this role.

Reasons I can think of for discarding good scum roles:
- after 3 rerolls, chose village so don't have to reroll again
- had a better scum role choice
- would rather be village in general
- had a better village role choice
- made a bad choice/choose a worse role

Wonder's paraphrasing FTF from CYO the first’s dead chat to keep in mind:
Reasons for discarding a good village role:

• Other choice was a better village role
• player would rather play scum
• Had a better scum role
• Choose a bad town role/made bad choice

Yes and the thing about vanilla townie will partly depend on how much someone likes being nilla townie over a town PR. I think AM makes it sound like that's her favorite. It would probably be my favorite but I probably fall prey to thinking a PR would be better for village. Lol but not in my hands. Anyone remember England? Lol

 

[WildZoo]

Anyone remember England? Lol

How could we possibly forget 😉

 

[WildZoo]

That was a very painful and difficult wolf win. I HATE losing as a wolf, and with games tending to be village-sided or just the stats skewing to village wins regardless, I like to avoid scum whenever I can.

I told Midwife this somewhere public (a game or deadchat) that while I enjoy wolfing when *forced to,* it's something I have to be forced to do. I embrace it for the team (wolf pack AND villagers alike really) because people doing their best when it's their turn to wolf is the only way we all get to have fun playing challenging games. I take being a wolf as having a substantially high proportion of responsibility to everyone playing compared to villaging, because of the way numbers work (yes it's important that all villagers do their part, but it's less devastating to the game/team if your ass gets yeeted early as a villager than as a wolf). I also pointed out I'm a masochist so while I may enjoy things that hurt me, that still doesn't mean I don't need some coercion to fully enjoy a painful experience.

In any case I told her my stomach usually falls to the floor with disappointment about how much work is ahead of me whenever I see that pack PM in my inbox. But I make the best of it and try to have fun anyway. I'll never buck my duty as a wolf and I may have fun, but don't mistake that for enthusiasm and I would pick scum.

Being an exclusive 3P without any sort of someone to work with by PM I dislike even more. 3P with something more like a pack PM structure might be OK, but that justs puts it on par with wolfing and still way below villaging for me. True neutral 3P I can tolerate pretty well since you can usually just play as village (not always, but I dislike having any side missions).

In any case, this is all rehashing things I've said before outside a game.

It's funny because as much as I love wolfing, I agree with a lot of this. I think most games I wouldn't choose it either.

 

[Crayola227]

How could we possibly forget 😉

Wanna know what's really funny? The first roll that was all town for me, I would have ended up choosing to be town vig again. I was so looking forward to everyone's disbelief and horror that I would attempt the role again and by choice.

 

[supershorty]

Wanna know what's really funny? The first roll that was all town for me, I would have ended up choosing to be town vig again. I was so looking forward to everyone's disbelief and horror that I would attempt the role again and by choice.

I was going to be a town watcher in the second roll and go for a GGoats redemption arc
I had some good PR options in the first roll, but vanilla is my favorite flavor and IC was the closest I had to vanilla.

 

[WonderingStudent]

When I wrote my last post, I didn’t consider that this was a differently structured game from last CYO where we were only given 2 cards to pick from and the card we choose was our alignment and ability. Stand by my thoughts that we should still analyze any info we have including discards. Different value from last CYO but still gets us talking. As a town, we need to use all the info that we have available. It is public info so we should utilize it and is more info than we would get from a normal D1. Better than only joke/salt votes. players analyze discards => questions => players answering => more discussion and less fluff early on => 🙂

 

[WildZoo]

When I wrote my last post, I didn’t consider that this was a differently structured game from last CYO where we were only given 2 cards to pick from and the card we choose was our alignment and ability. Stand by my thoughts that we should still analyze any info we have including discards. Different value from last CYO but still gets us talking. As a town, we need to use all the info that we have available. It is public info so we should utilize it and is more info than we would get from a normal D1. Better than only joke/salt votes. players analyze discards => questions => players answering => more discussion and less fluff early on => 🙂

Nah I like fluff


Re-analysis with the different structure though? Since it's your thing.

 

[alleycat03]

That was a very painful and difficult wolf win. I HATE losing as a wolf, and with games tending to be village-sided or just the stats skewing to village wins regardless, I like to avoid scum whenever I can.

I told Midwife this somewhere public (a game or deadchat) that while I enjoy wolfing when *forced to,* it's something I have to be forced to do. I embrace it for the team (wolf pack AND villagers alike really) because people doing their best when it's their turn to wolf is the only way we all get to have fun playing challenging games. I take being a wolf as having a substantially high proportion of responsibility to everyone playing compared to villaging, because of the way numbers work (yes it's important that all villagers do their part, but it's less devastating to the game/team if your ass gets yeeted early as a villager than as a wolf). I also pointed out I'm a masochist so while I may enjoy things that hurt me, that still doesn't mean I don't need some coercion to fully enjoy a painful experience.

In any case I told her my stomach usually falls to the floor with disappointment about how much work is ahead of me whenever I see that pack PM in my inbox. But I make the best of it and try to have fun anyway. I'll never buck my duty as a wolf and I may have fun, but don't mistake that for enthusiasm and I would pick scum.

Being an exclusive 3P without any sort of someone to work with by PM I dislike even more. 3P with something more like a pack PM structure might be OK, but that justs puts it on par with wolfing and still way below villaging for me. True neutral 3P I can tolerate pretty well since you can usually just play as village (not always, but I dislike having any side missions).

In any case, this is all rehashing things I've said before outside a game.

This also sounds like something extremely similar to what you’ve told me in wolfchat before. I think it was in bioshock. I agree with you, I don’t really like wolfing and honestly find it to be burdensome. I hope you understood that I was trying to say it was more likely you chose a village PR over a scum role and *that* was the reason you chose to discard vanilla townie.

 

[Viscernable]

I say this because my first roll was only between town options, and my second was only between scum options

Exact same here! In my despair at a choice between mafia, alien, and werewolf I picked alien doctor in some sort of temporary insanity.

 

[Dinashadow]

Everyone on here saying that they'd never choose to be scum but yet we had to re-roll twice because too many people chose scum

 

[WildZoo]

Everyone on here saying that they'd never choose to be scum but yet we had to re-roll twice because too many people chose scum

Nah I said I wouldn't (probably) choose wolf. Or, mafia I guess. But damn gimme that black goo serial killer...

 

[WildZoo]

I'd be willing to bet there were just way too many people wanting to be 3p

 

[alleycat03]

Everyone on here saying that they'd never choose to be scum but yet we had to re-roll twice because too many people chose scum

I mean I chose a 3P role for round 1, but I didn’t know all 3P= scum until flushy said that in the sign-up thread

 

[WonderingStudent]

Re-analysis with the different structure though? Since it's your thing.

That would be the logical thing for me to do but I’m tired and will definitely not look into doing that tonight and have already made plans to get some dim sum tomorrow with friends after work so I’ll have even less time tomorrow. So no promises

 

[WonderingStudent]

Unvote Alley
Vote Cray
Interesting discard given pre-game statements. Also think Shorty, Dubz, Cubs' discards are interesting. Has Chaos played before? Never heard of them.

@Stagg737 how do you feel about cray now that she has posted?

General note for everyone: Remember that there are multiple scum factions so even if someone has good reads and caught us a wolf, doesn’t mean they aren’t an alien.

@sunshinefl pinging again since she hasn't posted yet.

edited to just clarify

 

[WonderingStudent]

Players that have pinged me so far:

Vis -

Yeet stagg
One thing I do trust him to do is being more likely to pick scum

No, but based on his own posts in the signups and on what others have said about his play I think at least one of the most likely to pick scum

Seems strange that you worded the first post as if you strongly knew stagg’s preference for ww roles then in the second post after being questioned made your knowledge of stagg sound different especially since you haven’t seemed to play with him prior


Alley:
A lot of fluff (note: I haven’t really played with alley so I don’t know how they normally sound)
Examples -

*goes to look up what a ppdh is*

So at first I was also hella confused what he was asking us to share. But I think I understand it now.

I’m jealous! You know how much I wanted to be a mason.

Do *any* of us know Stagg that well? I got the same vibe as Vis that he would pick scum roles, but he sounds legit when he said he had no idea how to properly choose his role.

*in before she says @supershorty ’s tone is off*

Cray did *just* win as a wolf. I could see her wanting to avoid scum roles, but I do find it a bit odd she discarded vanilla townie. Honestly just makes me assume she probably chose a village PR instead.

Thank you shorty for explaining chaos’ post in a way that makes sense. I used the vanilla townie as my affiliation.

So somebody could get the mafia godfather role and a town role, and use them together to make themselves a town godfather. But only ONE person can be assigned the town godfather role. Does that make sense?


I have no idea why, but it cracked me up imagining someone saying with full confidence “oh yeah, I picked wolf ultramurderer for my affiliation”

Also their stagg vote felt off - overexplaining

Stagg gets my salt vote for being an awful seer last game. Also liked Vis’ point about him choosing scum, but idk if we should assume too much about that.

Yeet stagg

Also if scum, went the “safe” affiliation route by claiming vanilla townie

@alleycat03 If you were given the choice of vanilla townie or town nymphomaniac for affiliation, is there a reason you chose vanilla townie for your affiliation over town nymphomaniac if both options would have given you town affiliation?

For now:
Vote alley

 

[alleycat03]

@alleycat03 If you were given the choice of vanilla townie or town nymphomaniac for affiliation, is there a reason you chose vanilla townie for your affiliation over town nymphomaniac if both options would have given you town affiliation?

Because I am strongly opposed to lover roles, and didn’t want to touch that role with a 10-foot pole. Also, the roles I got for round 3 were my least favorite of my options, so I was trying to get the best combo out of my lackluster options

 

[Zenge142]

sunshine - Town Conspiracy Theorist : relatively good role. Cop for alien detection. There is a lot of different factions of scum so this is very specific but still could have been good to check for alien roles

I discarded this one in the first roll that didn’t end up going through. If I recall it had the added downside of being seered as alien yourself.

 

[Coopah]

No, but I am finding it very interesting what you and Stagg are trying to make of my discard and why.

No I've asked like a million questions now and finally understand that what I thought was happening, is not actually happening (I think?). In all honesty I'm still very confused.

 

[Coopah]

Incidentally you wouldn't have to have vanilla townie available twice to end up as vanilla townie. You could have mafia goon and choose that as your ability and townie whatever and choose that as your affiliation.

This is probably irrelevant, as I find most of this discussion to be tbh

THIS IS WHAT I FIUND OUT how dare you make this realization before me

 

[Coopah]

I'm not going to put my vote here today when Coop was a mod last game and hasn't played in a while, but I want to make a note that these interactions felt a little like fishing to me.

Fair point. To me this is legit investigating because it seemed like weird choices but I can see your point now. God I'm still not good at this huh?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Oh dear god I can't even understand this. Is this english?

Which part do you not understand?

Or because they only had town roles to pick from. Just as youre pointing out some people may have only had scum to pick from. I dont remember this much emphasis being placed on discard roles so soon in the game in CYO I. Seems strange that the first thing Chaos wants to do is start revealing.

Im assuming CYO 1 was greater Idea. Discards dont give us much useful info , in both idea games. Claiming alignment does , because mafia has to lie about their alignments

Why can only one person get Town Godfather as an option? There is only one of everything is the role list. If you got that as an option, you couldnt actually be a Town Godfather, you could only pick the affiliation or the ability.

No , you can see the number range next to the list , for instance Vanilla Town says 1 - 12 , so there are 12 VT rolls possible.

Not sure if I get you properly , but Im NOT ASKING FOR THE ROLE . DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ACTUAL ROLE - the one that gives you your abilities. Im only looking for the affiliations

Ok, now I see what he means by only one of them can be in the game, ie there can be 12 vanilla townie, but again, randing the option of Town Godfather eliminates the possibility of you actually being that exact role, so why wouldnt it be possible to be offered to more than one player? Because someone could still pick the Godfather part and match it with different scum affiliations.

Again I am not sure exactly what your question is. Feel like you are again confusing role and alignment.

I do not want the role used to get your abilities (i.e your actual role)

I want the one that gives you your alignment.

Ok...but the first thing he did was "hard claim vig-aligned." Thats not the affiliation, as Stagg pointed out. This is why Im confused. He follows that up with "btw im town also." So he's already basically given his full on role.

No I have not , I am not a town vigilante. I only used town vigilante for my alignment. So Im just claiming to be town something

Meh. Last time it was either Judas or some other crappy role that I don't remember. Neither were good options.

You are looking at these with the understanding that, if not discarded, these roles would have been used for alignment OR ability, not both, right? I didn't want to be an Alien. It's more neutered wolf than 3p. Would rather be village than risk ending up as a lone scum with a single kill and last man standing win condition. No thanks.

Bro , Judas is a top - tier role. The most fun 3p role in this game

 

[Coopah]

Ugh I'm still ****ing confused, and now I'm annoyed. Especially because I didn't choose my role. I literally didn't understand the premise enough to pick my own goddamn role. I made like eight choices and ftf had to tell me to slow my roll

 

[Coopah]

Which part do you not understand?



Im assuming CYO 1 was greater Idea. Discards dont give us much useful info , in both idea games. Claiming alignment does , because mafia has to lie about their alignments



No , you can see the number range next to the list , for instance Vanilla Town says 1 - 12 , so there are 12 VT rolls possible.

Not sure if I get you properly , but Im NOT ASKING FOR THE ROLE . DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ACTUAL ROLE - the one that gives you your abilities. Im only looking for the affiliations



Again I am not sure exactly what your question is. Feel like you are again confusing role and alignment.

I do not want the role used to get your abilities (i.e your actual role)

I want the one that gives you your alignment.





No I have not , I am not a town vigilante. I only used town vigilante for my alignment. So Im just claiming to be town something



Bro , Judas is a top - tier role. The most fun 3p role in this game

Honestly? All of it. A lot of these terms I'm very unfamiliar with, can you speak to me like I'm three?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Honestly? All of it. A lot of these terms I'm very unfamiliar with, can you speak to me like I'm three?

Do you remember picking 2 choices out of the 3 options?

One of this determines your actual role , i.e what abilities you have.
The other is your alignment , i.e what team you are in

If you didnt pick your roles and it was randed , you would still have one of the choices randed to be your role and another one randed to be your alignment.

Following thus far?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Do you remember picking 2 choices out of the 3 options?

One of this determines your actual role , i.e what abilities you have.
The other is your alignment , i.e what team you are in

If you didnt pick your roles and it was randed , you would still have one of the choices randed to be your role and another one randed to be your alignment.

Following thus far?

Im looking for the role choice that was used to get your alignment.

It doesnt give any info about you except for alignment , coz the other role is the one used for your abilities.

The reason Im looking for this info is coz scum cannot claim the real alignment choice they made (coz that is the same as claiming scum) and would have to lie about this. Im hoping to catch them lying.

 

[Coopah]

Im looking for the role choice that was used to get your alignment.

It doesnt give any info about you except for alignment , coz the other role is the one used for your abilities.

The reason Im looking for this info is coz scum cannot claim the real alignment choice they made (coz that is the same as claiming scum) and would have to lie about this. Im hoping to catch them lying.

Ok I got that thanks. And yeah I didn't pick my role so I asked like three million questions and I think I might get it now?

I'm pretty sure my role came from vanilla townie. Because I had two, which is part of the reason I was so freaking confused.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Alignment List

1. supershorty - Town Mason
2. Crayola227 - Town Godfather
3. vetschoolsletmeinplease - Town Doctor
4. Viscernable - Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. sunshinefl
6. alleycat03 - Vanilla Townie
7. WildZoo - Vanilla Townie
8. Stagg737 - Vanilla Townie
9. Zenge142 - Town Hero
10. Dinashadow - Town Persona Non Grata
11. Coopah - Vanilla Townie
12. WonderingStudent
13. Chaostrodon - Town Vigilante
14. cubsrule4e

Let me know if I missed someone

 

[WildZoo]

Well well well, looks like we've got a POE already 😉

I'm kidding

 

[WildZoo]

Though cubs, stagg, wonder, and alley have all been around since chaos asked about alignment cards, so. Hmm.

I'm a little weirded out by wonder making that whole post about analyzing the discards and somehow forgetting how this game was structured. Now, of course either town or scum is going to know that information, but it seems to me that town actually trying to solve the game would be less likely to forget. Town mindset is solving, scum mindset is looking like solving. Hopefully that makes sense, I haven't had my coffee yet.

yeet wonder

 

[WildZoo]

Bro , Judas is a top - tier role. The most fun 3p role in this game

I also 100% don't remember anything that happened in that game...this wasn't the one a couple months ago, it was last year

 

[alleycat03]

Alignment List

1. supershorty - Town Mason
2. Crayola227 - Town Godfather
3. vetschoolsletmeinplease - Town Doctor
4. Viscernable - Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. sunshinefl
6. alleycat03
7. WildZoo - Vanilla Townie
8. Stagg737
9. Zenge142 - Town Hero
10. Dinashadow - Town Persona Non Grata
11. Coopah - Vanilla Townie
12. WonderingStudent
13. Chaostrodon - Town Vigilante
14. cubsrule4e

Let me know if I missed someone

I said I used vanilla townie for my affiliation:

Thank you shorty for explaining chaos’ post in a way that makes sense. I used the vanilla townie as my affiliation.

 

[alleycat03]

Iirc, Sunny was on a pretty busy rotation recently. @sunshinefl have you checked in yet?

 

[supershorty]

Ugh I'm still ****ing confused, and now I'm annoyed. Especially because I didn't choose my role. I literally didn't understand the premise enough to pick my own goddamn role. I made like eight choices and ftf had to tell me to slow my roll

Why didn’t you ask the mods to explain?

Peeps who have played with Coop before, is this level of theatrics about being bad at the game or not understanding the role selection process NAI for her? It feels like scum trying too hard to me, especially paired with the fishing earlier.