CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

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Crayola227 said:
So I'm eyeballing those who discarded scum roles harder
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Idk if I agree with this, at least with Chaos and Please.

Strongman and Ninja are very powerful roles for a scum faction to have.

Could they have gotten something even better? Sure it’s possible. It just seems more likely that they’d pick village roles than they got even better scum roles.

Especially when you break down the dual selection consideration.
Assuming they picked scum, then their other two roles would have to include a PR that’s even better for scum than these, and include another scum affiliation for the affiliation choice.

Seems like a lot to bank on when the more likely answer is just that they picked village roles.
 
Stagg737 said:
I’m completely confused by how people are saying we selected our positions and how Chaos is trying to gather info. I do t want to drag this out, but it’s early enough that I would like to understand what they’re trying to say as some statements seem to be contradictory.
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I'm confused too, but that's nothing new
 
Chaostrodon said:
The factor you are missing is that the other option is totally independent of the discarded role. So a persons discard gives you 0 info unless you also know his role.
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I get that, which is partly why I think it’s a weak village point (the other being the WIFOM argument, although I don’t think it would be worth it for scum to reject a strong scum role in favour of a weaker one just for the WIfOM, precisely because discard analysis is weak and no one’s going to give them many village points for what they discard). But there are going to be more circumstances in which ninja or strongman is the best role if you’re scum than if you’re village, so I still see it as a very small village point to discard it.
 
Stagg737 said:
I’m completely confused by how people are saying we selected our positions and how Chaos is trying to gather info. I do t want to drag this out, but it’s early enough that I would like to understand what they’re trying to say as some statements seem to be contradictory.
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So we all got 3 roles, right, and you had to discard 1, use 1 for alignment, and then use 1 for ability.

So say for example (PURELY AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS NOT A CLAIM), I got vanilla town, town vig, and hirsute town. I’d submit something like “discard hirsute town, use vanilla town for aff, use town vig for ability.” Or something similar. With the end result being that I was a town-aligned vig.

At least that’s how I approached it and I ended up with the aff/ability I intended.
 
Viscernable said:
Not meant to be an insult to you sorry, I’ve just had to defend my mathematical ability to boys, especially when I’m literally their stats TA, too many times for it not to be an automatic sore spot
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Well , you can try and plug the numbers into the conditional probability formula if you want , but I dont think you would get something useful
 
Viscernable said:
I get that, which is partly why I think it’s a weak village point (the other being the WIFOM argument, although I don’t think it would be worth it for scum to reject a strong scum role in favour of a weaker one just for the WIfOM, precisely because discard analysis is weak and no one’s going to give them many village points for what they discard). But there are going to be more circumstances in which ninja or strongman is the best role if you’re scum than if you’re village, so I still see it as a very small village point to discard it.
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Even assuming everyone was completely cognizant about how the game works and were picking their roles/alignments optimally (This is a huge assumption btw , I am pretty sure that some people have definitely not done that) . There are stronger scum roles than Ninja or Strongman (subjectively that is. And Subjectivity is another factor that makes this analysis innacurate).

Think of Mafia Psychotrooper or Werewolf Jailkeeper or something
 
Crayola227 said:
My alignment came from Town Godfather, You will investigate as "Not Mafia" to Cops.
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Cray claims Town Godfather aligned. There is only one Town Godfather in the rolelist.

Which means only one of us can get Town Godfather as an option.

Which means Cray is either town or is taking bit of a risk as scum by fakeclaiming an alignment she didnt actually get as her option.
(For people who are confused about how this info could be useful)
 
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Chaostrodon said:
Even assuming everyone was completely cognizant about how the game works and were picking their roles/alignments optimally (This is a huge assumption btw , I am pretty sure that some people have definitely not done that) . There are stronger scum roles than Ninja or Strongman (subjectively that is. And Subjectivity is another factor that makes this analysis innacurate).

Think of Mafia Psychotrooper or Werewolf Jailkeeper or something
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Stronger roles do exist but I think in Pleasy’s case at least, she very much prefers town to scum, so I’m more inclined to read her discarding a powerful scum role as a move that she likely chose village.

I can’t speak to chaos’s subjectivity or preferences.
 
Chaostrodon said:
I will ofc be voting the first person to attempt a discard meta read.

This is at best , a poor understanding of probability and at worst , scum going after the low - hanging fruit.
Vote Viscernable
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Oh dear god I can't even understand this. Is this english?
Chaostrodon said:
So , as many of you may not have played greatest idea before,

It is customary to claim alignments at the start of the game , helps us with some easy early town leanings and possible scum-slips.
On that note , I hard claim vigilante - aligned.

(Claim your alignment and NOT YOUR ROLE. DEFINETELY NOT THE ROLE )
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Crayola227 said:
In general I'm going to think people who discarded a town role did so because they have another town role to draw alignment from. So I'm eyeballing those who discarded scum roles harder, because while they may have discarded a scum role for town roles, they also may not have had the choice to be town and had all scum to pick from. Main issue with this thinking has to do with in what cases did someone favor scum over town.
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Or because they only had town roles to pick from. Just as youre pointing out some people may have only had scum to pick from. I dont remember this much emphasis being placed on discard roles so soon in the game in CYO I. Seems strange that the first thing Chaos wants to do is start revealing.
 
Stagg737 said:
I’m completely confused by how people are saying we selected our positions and how Chaos is trying to gather info. I do t want to drag this out, but it’s early enough that I would like to understand what they’re trying to say as some statements seem to be contradictory.
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Dinashadow said:
I'm confused too, but that's nothing new
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Alright at least im not the only one.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Or because they only had town roles to pick from. Just as youre pointing out some people may have only had scum to pick from. I dont remember this much emphasis being placed on discard roles so soon in the game in CYO I. Seems strange that the first thing Chaos wants to do is start revealing.
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I didn’t play CYO I, so I have nothing to compare to, and I agree that it feels really early, but I guess I don’t really see the harm in how he approached it, either.

Although in a game this size, everyone who hasn’t already claimed would be able to claim vanilla town and there really wouldn’t be a way to disprove that based on numbers (12 available vanilla town according to the mafiascum wiki, and only 14 of us in the game). But I also don’t see how it would benefit him, if he were scum, to take the approach he did. It feels to me more like something that sets up catching scum slips later, rather than a scum action.
 
Chaostrodon said:
Cray claims Town Godfather aligned. There is only one Town Godfather in the rolelist.

Which means only one of us can get Town Godfather as an option.

Which means Cray is either town or is taking bit of a risk as scum by fakeclaiming an alignment she didnt actually get as her option.
(For people who are confused about how this info could be useful)
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Why can only one person get Town Godfather as an option? There is only one of everything is the role list. If you got that as an option, you couldnt actually be a Town Godfather, you could only pick the affiliation or the ability.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Why can only one person get Town Godfather as an option? There is only one of everything is the role list. If you got that as an option, you couldnt actually be a Town Godfather, you could only pick the affiliation or the ability.
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There are multiples for some, like vanilla town. The wiki list has the number of each role available. Presumably only 1 person can get Town Godfather as an option at all because otherwise you could end up with a situation where multiple people picked that ability.
 
Chaostrodon said:
Cray claims Town Godfather aligned. There is only one Town Godfather in the rolelist.

Which means only one of us can get Town Godfather as an option.

Which means Cray is either town or is taking bit of a risk as scum by fakeclaiming an alignment she didnt actually get as her option.
(For people who are confused about how this info could be useful)
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Okay I think I get it now

cubsrule4e said:
Or because they only had town roles to pick from. Just as youre pointing out some people may have only had scum to pick from. I dont remember this much emphasis being placed on discard roles so soon in the game in CYO I. Seems strange that the first thing Chaos wants to do is start revealing.
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it's not really revealing though is it? It's revealing a role you didn't pick, which doesn't seem super helpful for scum, but could potentially be helpful for town
 
Ok, now I see what he means by only one of them can be in the game, ie there can be 12 vanilla townie, but again, randing the option of Town Godfather eliminates the possibility of you actually being that exact role, so why wouldnt it be possible to be offered to more than one player? Because someone could still pick the Godfather part and match it with different scum affiliations.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Ok, now I see what he means by only one of them can be in the game, ie there can be 12 vanilla townie, but again, randing the option of Town Godfather eliminates the possibility of you actually being that exact role, so why wouldnt it be possible to be offered to more than one player? Because someone could still pick the Godfather part and match it with different scum affiliations.
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No, it doesn’t. You could easily be that exact role if one of your other rolls was anything town.
 
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Hi everyone i got 3 braincells and they're working rEALLY hard

so i get which role that we're talking about (thank you shortys explanation)

but I dont super understand why we're putting it on the thread. it just creates another discard list right?
and no one would be like "oh yeah I used wolf ultramurderer for my affiliation"

so like.. for why?
 
vetschoolsletmeinplease said:
Hi everyone i got 3 braincells and they're working rEALLY hard

so i get which role that we're talking about (thank you shortys explanation)

but I dont super understand why we're putting it on the thread. it just creates another discard list right?
and no one would be like "oh yeah I used wolf ultramurderer for my affiliation"

so like.. for why?
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Limits the pool for fakeclaims - in more than one way. If someone rolled something that there is only one roll for, that means no one else did. If they claim it as the role they chose affiliation from, someone else claims they rolled it, then one of them has been caught lying.
 
Viscernable said:
Limits the pool for fakeclaims - in more than one way. If someone rolled something that there is only one roll for, that means no one else did. If they claim it as the role they chose affiliation from, someone else claims they rolled it, then one of them has been caught lying.
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gotchya. that make sense

i used town doctor for my affiliation 🙂
 
i'm not sure what replicants mean in this case.
Sunny discarded town conspiracy, factually (from the discard list)
but then visc claimed that town conspiracy was used for alignment

which is fine bc the wiki page says that's roles 66-68 (3 possible)

but no replicates means only 1 of those was used? so is visc lying? or am i not understanding what replicates means
 
Chaostrodon said:
You pick a role for your abilities and another role for your alignment.

I am talking about the role that you pick for your alignment.

Btw , my alignment is Town Vigilante. (saying this coz there are multiple kinds of Vigilantes in the rolelist)
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Ok...but the first thing he did was "hard claim vig-aligned." Thats not the affiliation, as Stagg pointed out. This is why Im confused. He follows that up with "btw im town also." So he's already basically given his full on role.
 
Chaostrodon said:
The way this works is , you can see that there is only one Vigilante in the rolelist here : Greater Idea Mafia/RolePMs - MafiaWiki
(You can see the range next to the role , there are 12 VTs , 2 Cops , 2 Trackers and 1 Roleblocker , for instance.

So now that Ive claimed Vigilante aligned , If any of you had either discarded Vigilante or picked Vigilante as role or alignment , that would mean I have been a dirty liar and must be punished immediately (Since there is only one Vig possible)
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So at first I was also hella confused what he was asking us to share. But I think I understand it now.
supershorty said:
I used town mason for my alignment.
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I’m jealous! You know how much I wanted to be a mason.
Crayola227 said:
Decent logic but do you really know Stagg that well? This feels like an overstatement.
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Do *any* of us know Stagg that well? I got the same vibe as Vis that he would pick scum roles, but he sounds legit when he said he had no idea how to properly choose his role.
Crayola227 said:
Dubz' opening post without an emoji.... sketch lol
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*in before she says @supershorty ’s tone is off*
Crayola227 said:
Um, what statements? About how bummed I was the roll with vanilla townie didn't stick?

How does discarding vanilla townie make me scum? If anything, you all should realize there's no way I discarded vanilla townie to be scum. So think again.
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Cray did *just* win as a wolf. I could see her wanting to avoid scum roles, but I do find it a bit odd she discarded vanilla townie. Honestly just makes me assume she probably chose a village PR instead.
supershorty said:
So we all got 3 roles, right, and you had to discard 1, use 1 for alignment, and then use 1 for ability.

So say for example (PURELY AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS NOT A CLAIM), I got vanilla town, town vig, and hirsute town. I’d submit something like “discard hirsute town, use vanilla town for aff, use town vig for ability.” Or something similar. With the end result being that I was a town-aligned vig.

At least that’s how I approached it and I ended up with the aff/ability I intended.
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Thank you shorty for explaining chaos’ post in a way that makes sense. I used the vanilla townie as my affiliation.
cubsrule4e said:
Why can only one person get Town Godfather as an option? There is only one of everything is the role list. If you got that as an option, you couldnt actually be a Town Godfather, you could only pick the affiliation or the ability.
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So somebody could get the mafia godfather role and a town role, and use them together to make themselves a town godfather. But only ONE person can be assigned the town godfather role. Does that make sense?

vetschoolsletmeinplease said:
Hi everyone i got 3 braincells and they're working rEALLY hard

so i get which role that we're talking about (thank you shortys explanation)

but I dont super understand why we're putting it on the thread. it just creates another discard list right?
and no one would be like "oh yeah I used wolf ultramurderer for my affiliation"

so like.. for why?
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I have no idea why, but it cracked me up imagining someone saying with full confidence “oh yeah, I picked wolf ultramurderer for my affiliation” :laugh:
 
cubsrule4e said:
Ok...but the first thing he did was "hard claim vig-aligned." Thats not the affiliation, as Stagg pointed out. This is why Im confused. He follows that up with "btw im town also." So he's already basically given his full on role.
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I think he’s just saying that he used the town vig role for his affiliation and used a different role for his ability.
 
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cubsrule4e said:
Ok...but the first thing he did was "hard claim vig-aligned." Thats not the affiliation, as Stagg pointed out. This is why Im confused. He follows that up with "btw im town also." So he's already basically given his full on role.
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i thought that too at first
but what he's given is just his affiliation, and the ability he essentially discarded
we know he is a town ______ but most likely (unless he got it twice) not a town vig
 
Chaostrodon said:
The way this works is , you can see that there is only one Vigilante in the rolelist here : Greater Idea Mafia/RolePMs - MafiaWiki
(You can see the range next to the role , there are 12 VTs , 2 Cops , 2 Trackers and 1 Roleblocker , for instance.

So now that Ive claimed Vigilante aligned , If any of you had either discarded Vigilante or picked Vigilante as role or alignment , that would mean I have been a dirty liar and must be punished immediately (Since there is only one Vig possible)
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Chaostrodon said:
You pick a role for your abilities and another role for your alignment.

I am talking about the role that you pick for your alignment.

Btw , my alignment is Town Vigilante. (saying this coz there are multiple kinds of Vigilantes in the rolelist)
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Here they are in succession.
 
Dr. ForgotToFlush said:
Replicants are like a DLC list for the setup
They're an extra scum faction that probably would have made the setup harder to balance
Functionally they work the same as Mafia/Werewolves do
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I thought they work the same as aliens

edit: lol read the wiki wrong, they definitely work the same as mafia/ww
 
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