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Animal Midwife said:
He was the wolf vig.
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Well I was killed in the first yeet and I’m not a walking WW encyclopedia like you, so I don’t remember that.

The rest of my points stand. I think it would be a little too obvious to shoot Z right now, I was sound asleep and not on SDN doing anything, and it’s more likely to be a villager vig then a wolf vig.
 
sunshinefl said:
Well I was killed in the first yeet and I’m not a walking WW encyclopedia like you, so I don’t remember that.

The rest of my points stand. I think it would be a little too obvious to shoot Z right now, I was sound asleep and not on SDN doing anything, and it’s more likely to be a villager vig then a wolf vig.
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How? Like only three or less people were wolfreading him?

I don't want to believe village is playing this badly.
 
Animal Midwife said:
How? Like only three or less people were wolfreading him?

I don't want to believe village is playing this badly.
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Well if the vig is village like the 90% odds are, maybe we shouldn’t make a list for the wolves.
 
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Animal Midwife said:
This line doesn't even make any sense.
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How does it not? Maybe we shouldn’t list out the villagers who could be the village vig for the wolves, based on the minority who were wolf reading Z. (3 according to you).
 
sunshinefl said:
How does it not? Maybe we shouldn’t list out the villagers who could be the village vig for the wolves, based on the minority who were wolf reading Z. (3 according to you).
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HOW DO YOU KNOW ITS EVEN A VILLAGE VIG

THAT WAS A HORRIFIC SHOT

ID CALL IT A HERO SHOT AT BEST
 
Animal Midwife said:
HOW DO YOU KNOW ITS EVEN A VILLAGE VIG

THAT WAS A HORRIFIC SHOT

ID CALL IT A HERO SHOT AT BEST
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Because 90%+ (thought it was 100 but you claim Mayo was wolf vig in noob game) of the vig’s I’ve seen are village.

And what tf is a hero shot?
 
sunshinefl said:
Because 90%+ (thought it was 100 but you claim Mayo was wolf vig in noob game) of the vig’s I’ve seen are village.
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YOU'VE SEEN MORE WOLF VIGS THAN THAT

THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE

SHOULD I LIST THEM ALL
sunshinefl said:
And what tf is a hero shot?
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when a villager shoots someone widely village read just in case they were actually a deep wolf
 
sunshinefl said:
How does it not? Maybe we shouldn’t list out the villagers who could be the village vig for the wolves, based on the minority who were wolf reading Z. (3 according to you).
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If it really was a village vig that did that, wolves already have a narrowed POE for who it is.
 
WildZoo said:
I already pointed out sunny was an exception. Bread is on your list too so I don't think you get a one up on her there. Stagg is in that same category.

Now that I think about it though, interesting stagg wasn't one of the low-poster yeet options she proposed.

You haven't addressed the fact that you never even interacted with her though. Before or after the vote, as far as I can tell, though the search function isn't perfect in that regard.
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Just to be clear, I'm not asking for any one-ups, I'm just trying to point out why I find your statement misleading.

I responded to her comment when she asked me to switch the vote. I said after the fact she should have role revealed at yeet close. Idk if I interacted with her at any point after that and idek why it matters

mkg323 said:
I ISO'ed Alissa, and ended up partially ISO'ing AM yesterday for 3 reasons. 1) because I struggle to read Alissa due to mistaking her with Alley, 2) because AM ASKED ME HOW I FELT ABOUT HER and 3) right now I have too many people still in my neutrals, and I needed to do an ISO so I could move her one way or the other. I dont see how finishing an ISO and feeling better about Alissa is a bad thing? like I didnt realize ISOs were only supposed to be used on people we already think are wolfy? And the ISO actually knocked AM back into neutral from village lean? so I really dont get your second point.
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Yes I read your final iso thoughts. It was very hedgy on AM (I quoted it below because I get the feeling some people didn't read it). I know AM asked you and this was based on something you said about mixing up alley and Alissa (which iirc you mentioned that way back on Tuesday). I just find it strange that you haven't posted an iso for anyone you're strongly wolf reading.

mkg323 said:
So this is the last of it, Alissa hasnt been on since yesterday afternoon, and she unyeeted AM. This was supposed to be an ISO for alissa and it turned into a kinda AM ISO. I now have Alissa firmly in my village leans, AM I've put back in neutral for now. I dont like that she tunneled on alissa for a tinfoil that other people started, and some of her posts above pinged me. I know this isnt all AM has done so I'm not willing to put her in wolf leans quite yet, but what started as v/v bickering went kinda far and I'll be keeping an eye on AM more in the future.
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sunshinefl said:
I might. But I’m not just going to knee jerk vote there with you to appease you.
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zenge has flipped village, so what do you say about the mkg now?

Barkley13 said:
People I’m interested in today include mkg, zenge, sunshine, bread, alley, and Dina

but also I’m at work for the rest of the day and I was going to yeet zenge but I need to think about his latest post
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wait why were you planning to go for zenge after voting mkg yesterday?

capri1722 said:
if no one claims the shot by morning i'm switching my vote to sunny and/or investigating z's potential pm partners
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I think zenge was in a PM group with DocE and stagg and considering he was wolf reading DocE at least at the beginning of the game and stagg has been very absent I don't know if we'll glean any information from that.

Also why just sunny? I would consider mkg too because that's where his vote was and he was pushing both of them

Barkley13 said:
Although I’m kinda bothered because I don’t really trust Dina
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yes what else is new? If you guys need to yeet and flip me before you feel comfortable yeeting mkg then by all means have at it.

sunshinefl said:
Because 90%+ (thought it was 100 but you claim Mayo was wolf vig in noob game) of the vig’s I’ve seen are village.

And what tf is a hero shot?
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Somebody is probably going to say this before I finish this post but Kras was also a wolf vig in emojis who shot AM
 
DocEspana said:
@Animal Midwife is your capslock key broken?

Also, anglican british jesus christ..... Does everyone with a gun HAVE to shoot it? God almighty.

Someone needs to see if zenge had any good ideas (outside of me day 1. Ignore that.)
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That someone should be me but it's day 5/5 at work. If it gets quiet it will be me but it's already looking like I won't be so lucky with patient flow.
 
Dinashadow said:
Just to be clear, I'm not asking for any one-ups, I'm just trying to point out why I find your statement misleading.

I responded to her comment when she asked me to switch the vote. I said after the fact she should have role revealed at yeet close. Idk if I interacted with her at any point after that and idek why it matters
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It matters to me because when people interact with their wolf reads I can get a better feel for the authenticity of the read. If a player is around at the time that someone they're voting for is active, and they don't take that opportunity to try to solidify the read themselves, I wonder why. And it feels odd to me that you'd made no mention of her (again, as far as I can tell) until zenge brought her up, and then were secure enough in following his lead that you didn't even have anything to say to her or question her about.

By before/after the vote I mean before or after you placed the vote, not the vote cycle itself, sorry that wasn't really clear. I missed where you responded to her asking you to switch so I'll see if I can find that post.
 
sunshinefl said:
But again if it was a villager vig, what does that mean about mkg’s affiliation?
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Why would a village vig mean anything about mkg's affiliation?
sunshinefl said:
How does it not? Maybe we shouldn’t list out the villagers who could be the village vig for the wolves, based on the minority who were wolf reading Z. (3 according to you).
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Wolves can read the thread, I'm sure they can figure that out themselves if they want to know.
 
@The_Breadmann can you give us maybe a little bit more to work with? I don't want everyone to fall down the inactive villager trap but I don't see how anything you've done so far this game it's going to help anyone read you one way or the other. I know you've been busy, I just really would like some more complete thoughts on the things you have read since you've read at least some of the thread.
 
WildZoo said:
@The_Breadmann can you give us maybe a little bit more to work with? I don't want everyone to fall down the inactive villager trap but I don't see how anything you've done so far this game it's going to help anyone read you one way or the other. I know you've been busy, I just really would like some more complete thoughts on the things you have read since you've read at least some of the thread.
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Yep, finishing catching up from yesterday and I will post what I have so far and keep ISOing
 
Wolves have been doing some interesting things in games lately and it's making me even more paranoid than usual. Like I have a thought brewing about dina/mkg being in the same pack but I'm going to feel bad if mkg is a wolf and dina's just being a good villager. Bleh.
 
Slight Village
Shorty and now Mayo-felt that the fight between DocE and Shorty was most likely to be v.v
DocE- Same as above
LIS- liking logic behind posts and don't remember anything that pinged me while ISOing him
Samac- hoping that she was actually cleared by a seer (also kinda iffy for jumping in April's wagon upon reread)
Cray- appreciating the posts she has been commenting on and that is why I was commenting on her things
Finn- liking the more calming and collected posts. was thinking that if there was a wolf in each area that it was between her and AM but have been feeling better here

Neutral
AM- mostly her usual self but does not quite feel the same as she did in the apocalypse game(that being said, pippy cannot really antagonize her)
Stagg- need to hear/reread more
MKG- voted for her last night just because I felt better about Visc so it was more of a jump to (after Zenge getting shot I am inclined to think I need to move her down though)

Slight Wolf
MsP- Still kind of shaky on the logic on voting for April

I voted April day one just because I was sheeping Samac. Was starting to vote Finn just under the belief that perhaps there was a wolf in each starting district but then quickly jumped off when I was told that was very unlikely. The reason why I was feeling okay about voting of MKG last night over Visc was Zenge's arguments(even though I was still not too sure how I felt about Zenge either)

Gonna take a wee break and start ISOing again. I have been awake for 4 hours but I feel like I just woke up 10 minutes ago.
 
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PippyPony said:
Day 3 - Am I Sitting in a Tin Can - Vote Tally

Dina (1) - Dubz
Bread (3) - mkg, AM, genny
Sunshine (1) - DocE
Cray (0) -
MKG (2) - Dina, Zenge
Barks (1) - Bobloblaw
Finn (1) - samac

@The_Breadmann you have a smöl lead
9/23 players voting...
Voting closes < 24 hrs in the fUTuRE

Feels anti-british to be this pushy, but I guess I will start tagging everyone who hasn't voted so there can be some public embarrassment

@The_Breadmann
@alissa14
@alleycat03
@LetItSnow
@finnickthedog
@Ms Procrastinator
@Stagg737
@sunshinefl
@capri1722
@Barkley13
@holdthemayo
@SportPonies
@Cyndia
@Crayola227
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I will be on later after work!
 
It just seems too good to be true that a wolf would take that shot. It was... an odd choice for a villager to make, but with so many other less conspicuous choices, I don’t think wolves would’ve made it either.

...or they’d at least wait til night to make it.

I’m honestly wondering if the vig is 3P, based on that.
 
Day 3 - Am I Sitting in a Tin Can - Vote Tally

Dina (0) -
Bread (4) - mkg, AM, genny, Cyndia
Sunshine (1) - DocE
Cray (0) -
MKG (4) - Dina, capri, barks, Dubz
Barks (1) - Bobloblaw
Finn (1) - samac

@The_Breadmann @mkg323 you are tied
Still only half of the players voting after all my guilt trips
Voting closes < 12 hrs in the fUTuRE

Still in the stocks:

@The_Breadmann
@alissa14
@alleycat03
@LetItSnow
@finnickthedog
@Ms Procrastinator
@Stagg737
@sunshinefl
@holdthemayo
@SportPonies
@Crayola227
 
SportPonies said:
It just seems too good to be true that a wolf would take that shot. It was... an odd choice for a villager to make, but with so many other less conspicuous choices, I don’t think wolves would’ve made it either.

...or they’d at least wait til night to make it.

I’m honestly wondering if the vig is 3P, based on that.
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What do you mean too good to be true? Also, we don't even know if they had the option to take the shot at night.
 
The_Breadmann said:
Slight Village
Shorty and now Mayo-felt that the fight between DocE and Shorty was most likely to be v.v
DocE- Same as above
LIS- liking logic behind posts and don't remember anything that pinged me while ISOing him
Samac- hoping that she was actually cleared by a seer (also kinda iffy for jumping in April's wagon upon reread)
Cray- appreciating the posts she has been commenting on and that is why I was commenting on her things
Finn- liking the more calming and collected posts. was thinking that if there was a wolf in each area that it was between her and AM but have been feeling better here

Neutral
AM- mostly her usual self but does not quite feel the same as she did in the apocalypse game(that being said, pippy cannot really antagonize her)
Stagg- need to hear/reread more
MKG- voted for her last night just because I felt better about Visc so it was more of a jump to (after Zenge getting shot I am inclined to think I need to move her down though)

Slight Wolf
MsP- Still kind of shaky on the logic on voting for April

I voted April day one just because I was sheeping Samac. Was starting to vote Finn just under the belief that perhaps there was a wolf in each starting district but then quickly jumped off when I was told that was very unlikely. The reason why I was feeling okay about voting of MKG last night over Visc was Zenge's arguments(even though I was still not too sure how I felt about Zenge either)

Gonna take a wee break and start ISOing again. I have been awake for 4 hours but I feel like I just woke up 10 minutes ago.
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I don't love that your singular wolf read is MsP who I feel is very village after the Bob situation.

Had some other thoughts (not specifically about bread) as I was scrolling through my phone trying to sleep last night but I need to read back and find those. First I gotta go get vaccine-d though.
 
WildZoo said:
What do you mean too good to be true? Also, we don't even know if they had the option to take the shot at night.
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It’s foolhardy, is what I’m saying. Making a shot like that screws over the vig. If role reveals ever fall on the table, you know they’re gonna be on the chopping block.

it feels foolish. Too foolish for a wolf.

That being said, I did not play emojis so can’t speak for vig choices there
 
finnickthedog said:
I don't love that your singular wolf read is MsP who I feel is very village after the Bob situation.

Had some other thoughts (not specifically about bread) as I was scrolling through my phone trying to sleep last night but I need to read back and find those. First I gotta go get vaccine-d though.
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What bob situation? I don’t remember this.

edit: nevermind, I remembered it as soon as I posted this
 
I had a couple more minutes:
capri1722 said:
based on the role flip i'm wondering if the shot was wolfy
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capri1722 said:
idk something about it just feels like that time when mel rojo'd and the only alive person who saw it got immediately wolf-vig-killed
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capri1722 said:
if no one claims the shot by morning i'm switching my vote to sunny and/or investigating z's potential pm partners
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This series of posts makes me feel weird and like capri might have been involved with the shot.

Dinashadow said:
yes what else is new? If you guys need to yeet and flip me before you feel comfortable yeeting mkg then by all means have at it.
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Why would you say this? Are you being serious or snarky?
 
lynch Sunny

Don't like the lack of feedback from Sunny early in the game, and don't like Sunny's Cyndia read, because I don't know how anyone can read Cyndia as anything other than neutral.

Not quite as worried about Sunny's MKG read like Zenge, because I think Zenge might be overinterpreting that a bit, but it's certainly also a factor.

Will sit here until I see a reason to move.
 
SportPonies said:
It’s foolhardy, is what I’m saying. Making a shot like that screws over the vig. If role reveals ever fall on the table, you know they’re gonna be on the chopping block.

it feels foolish. Too foolish for a wolf.

That being said, I did not play emojis so can’t speak for vig choices there
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I disagree. I don't recall ever seeing a wolf vig take a midday shot on a sketchy villager. Though happy to be proven wrong. The small chance of being forced to reveal the role wouldn't play into my strategy at least.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
What is the easiest way to iso someone that has their profile on private? And isn't have your profile on private sus? And not having people see your activity sus?
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Back when I played frequently, I had my activity turned off permanently. So no, I would not call it sus.

Not sure if that's what you're referring to.
 
Zenge142 said:
ATTN: I think this is a major wolf slip.

The argument Sunshine is making here is that she deserves village credit for wolf reading MKG.

MKG hasn’t flipped yet, so why does Sunny feel like she deserves village credit for wolf reading MKG?

The only possible explanation for why she thinks she deserves village points for wolf reading someone who hasn’t actually flipped is if she knows for a fact that MKG is a wolf.

She could know because she seered MKG, but given her reluctance to vote there or make a real push, the only real logical conclusion is that both MKG and Sunny are wolfing together.

I don’t see any other logical conclusion for why Sunny is trying to get village credit for “wolf reading” someone who hasn’t flipped and who she’s been reluctant to vote for.
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When I said I think Zenge is overinterpreting a bit, it was this...

People claim 'villager' cred all the time for the reads; not just for the definitive evidence after someone flips. That's part of the whole theory of bloc playing, if I understand it. (I might not, though, because I don't care that much.)
 
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