CWWem's HoWWiday ExtWWavangza (mafia game thread)

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inverted fruit foils: spurs, WZ, and zenge are wolves

it was 67% inverted!

 

[GoSpursGo]

Oh and @apoptosis09 i will remember this game for you too. You were making so much sense by the end that we should’ve listened, and got caught up by momentum.

 

[GoSpursGo]

If it makes you feel any better, I targeted you very intentionally and directly. I wasn't sure I would have the time to really direct things, so I needed to have that element of control by proxy. I doubt I'll be able to do it to you again 🙂

I SAID I WASNT GONNA BE AS ACTIVE!!! 😭

 

[apoptosis09]

Oh and @apoptosis09 i will remember this game for you too. You were making so much sense by the end that we should’ve listened, and got caught up by momentum.

I figured getting out from under my recent scum game was going to be tough 😅 I just didn't expect it to compound with the game depending on getting people to listen to me, which I am even worse at than reading village 💀

 

[WildZoo]

I SAID I WASNT GONNA BE AS ACTIVE!!! 😭

Yeah but then you were just leading everything and I was like "Well, we either have to kill him or get him on our side" and um...

For the record I think I could pocket Spurs if I gave it the smallest amount of effort. He yearns to be in the village blocc, and we can take advantage of that.

It took more effort than I anticipated! I was a little spooked when you were ISOing me that you were going to see through my tricks and suddenly turn on me!

 

[apoptosis09]

Yeah but then you were just leading everything and I was like "Well, we either have to kill him or get him on our side" and um...



It took more effort than I anticipated! I was a little spooked when you were ISOing me that you were going to see through my tricks and suddenly turn on me!

That's so devious 😭 amazing

 

[GoSpursGo]

I figured getting out from under my recent scum game was going to be tough 😅 I just didn't expect it to compound with the game depending on getting people to listen to me, which I am even worse at than reading village 💀

It is honestly a testament to how well you scummed in the last game!

And dammit the irony of assigning… @katiemcat to look at CYO and report on v/v @WildZoo @Zenge142 interactions. SMH.

Like I can’t even feel that bad. I got pocketed by a really good player, we couldn’t make the right call on a 50/50 vote between genny/katie on d2, and that was that. Next time!

 

[GoSpursGo]

Yeah but then you were just leading everything and I was like "Well, we either have to kill him or get him on our side" and um...



It took more effort than I anticipated! I was a little spooked when you were ISOing me that you were going to see through my tricks and suddenly turn on me!

This is an extremely accurate read of me

 

[WildZoo]

That's so devious 😭 amazing

This was my original plan but things got adjusted along the way obviously. I also forgot PSV had been at endgame in Death Nommy, but ya know, no plan survives contact with the enemy.

Endgame proposal: Spurs, fruit, PSV, CeeGee, genny
Why? Idk it just seems like it might be fun! And I don't think any of them have gone to endgame recently, which also makes it fun!

Possible death order
D1: SAR
N1: apop
D2: Lissa
N2: kitz
D3: turn everything around on Spurs for leading us astray, obviously

And then I got tired and went for the easier misyeet lol

 

[katiemcat]

Y’all did really well though and I have a newfound respect for wolfing. It’s hard to maintain a village persona, fake investigate, and remember the tales you’ve concocted.

Also when I kept going “I’m afraid of powerful dubz” it was lowkey true because her strategy is methodical and insane.

 

[supershorty]

This was my original plan but things got adjusted along the way obviously. I also forgot PSV had been at endgame in Death Nommy, but ya know, no plan survives contact with the enemy.



And then I got tired and went for the easier misyeet lol

Planning to D1 SAR is diabolical. Protect SAR

 

[apoptosis09]

Y’all did really well though and I have a newfound respect for wolfing. It’s hard to maintain a village persona, fake investigate, and remember the tales you’ve concocted.

Also when I kept going “I’m afraid of powerful dubz” it was lowkey true because her strategy is methodical and insane.

I want to wolf with dubz

Imagine what we could do on the same team

 

[WildZoo]

Planning to D1 SAR is diabolical. Protect SAR

To be fair that was after her wagon was already rolling. It was more of a prediction of what village would do.

 

[apoptosis09]

It is honestly a testament to how well you scummed in the last game!

And dammit the irony of assigning… @katiemcat to look at CYO and report on v/v @WildZoo @Zenge142 interactions. SMH.

Like I can’t even feel that bad. I got pocketed by a really good player, we couldn’t make the right call on a 50/50 vote between genny/katie on d2, and that was that. Next time!

Agreed! That was a heck of a team and they deserved the landslide win 😅

 

[WildZoo]

And then when it tied and we got to choose I decided it looked better overall for SAR to flip so I could lament.

 

[WildZoo]

I want to wolf with dubz

Imagine what we could do on the same team

I really do like the way you post <3

 

[WildZoo]

This is an extremely accurate read of me

I absorbed some stuff from CYO dead chat lol

 

[GoSpursGo]

I absorbed some stuff from CYO dead chat lol

Most unfortunate!

I also really, really think I'm going to struggle to bring my village and scum selves into alignment

 

[Animal Midwife]

Most unfortunate!

I also really, really think I'm going to struggle to bring my village and scum selves into alignment

That doesn't have to be a death sentence. I'm polarized myself. I don't know exactly in which way but it's clear there's something I can't replicate as a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

Most unfortunate!

I also really, really think I'm going to struggle to bring my village and scum selves into alignment

It gets easier with time and practice and more knowledge of your own quirks. Like I know I'm a chatty, emotional villager so I try to hit those notes when I'm wolfing. I still struggle to stream of consciousness post as a wolf to the same level I do when I'm village.

 

[WildZoo]

It also, like AM said, isn't always necessary to exactly match your village meta. Almost no one is as good at meta reads as they say they are.

 

[Clem J]

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Don't listen to the haters smh

 

[Clem J]

You don't have to replicate your town game at all, you just have to not die

 

[WildZoo]

I would like to pray to the RNG gods to allow me to village for like, at least 5 months before making me scum again

 

[WildZoo]

You don't have to replicate your town game at all, you just have to not die

Well fair, if your town game doesn't necessarily keep you alive it would be silly to replicate it 😛

 

[apoptosis09]

Well fair, if your town game doesn't necessarily keep you alive it would be silly to replicate it 😛

Like me when my wolf game is townier than my wolf game 😂

 

[GoSpursGo]

Also dubz 100% got her revenge because I protected her both nights 😂

I tried sending her the Secret Santa item on N1

It was different!!!!!!

RIP Zenge the next time he's village and I'm fending off people trying to misyeet him though lol

I have a plan for that.

Do tell!

N1: i tried to kill apop, sadly failed

N2: i tried to kill katie, sadly failed

oh well

well played everyone, especially katie, WZ, and zenges

see you around next game

Man you and spurs both with your storm trooper aim

Yeah town really didn't get lucky at all with holiday/pirate stuff

It did not

Case in point, though it really just tracks with Spurs things not working at night 😛

Yeah but then you were just leading everything and I was like "Well, we either have to kill him or get him on our side" and um...



It took more effort than I anticipated! I was a little spooked when you were ISOing me that you were going to see through my tricks and suddenly turn on me!

tbh I was just ISO-ing to stave off any whiff of sus on me.

It would have taken a good amount of work to rally the troops to vote Zenge through. apop would have followed. Maybe I could've gotten fruits, but I worry he would have flipped on me at that point. I'm not sure where @potentialsheltervet would have landed in that hypothetical world. It was a tough spot at the start of the day.

 

[GoSpursGo]

It would have taken a good amount of work to rally the troops to vote Zenge through. apop would have followed. Maybe I could've gotten fruits, but I worry he would have flipped on me at that point. I'm not sure where @potentialsheltervet would have landed in that hypothetical world. It was a tough spot at the start of the day.

I don't really understand why I didn't think to revisit katie, it was weird that she went from almost going over on D2 and then not discussed at all D3.

But again, idk that we would have figured it out and gotten all 4 of us on the same page no matter how we approached the problem.

 

[WildZoo]

I tried sending her the Secret Santa item on N1



Do tell!



Yeah town really didn't get lucky at all with holiday/pirate stuff

Case in point, though it really just tracks with Spurs things not working at night 😛

tbh I was just ISO-ing to stave off any whiff of sus on me.

It would have taken a good amount of work to rally the troops to vote Zenge through. apop would have followed. Maybe I could've gotten fruits, but I worry he would have flipped on me at that point. I'm not sure where @potentialsheltervet would have landed in that hypothetical world. It was a tough spot at the start of the day.

We had plans if he got more heat for him and katie to go at it again and then for them to end up village reading each other over it. My favorite kind of wolf theater, and it was katie's idea.

I didn't realize until you were doing the ISO how poorly I had distanced from them myself though. Oops.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't really understand why I didn't think to revisit katie, it was weird that she went from almost going over on D2 and then not discussed at all D3.

But again, idk that we would have figured it out and gotten all 4 of us on the same page no matter how we approached the problem.

She did a great job coming in with her reads lists when she had time and had several people flip their read on her over that and the pushes she was making!

They weren't even workshopped much, I made a few suggestions in wolf chat but it was mostly her.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Good game all! I know there wasn't a post minimum but I appreciated seeing so many heavy punches and even the rare everyone on exactly two wagons!

 

[apoptosis09]

We had plans if he got more heat for him and katie to go at it again and then for them to end up village reading each other over it. My favorite kind of wolf theater, and it was katie's idea.

I didn't realize until you were doing the ISO how poorly I had distanced from them myself though. Oops.

I did point out pretty early that you and zenge both could be paired with Katie!

 

[WildZoo]

I did point out pretty early that you and zenge both could be paired with Katie!

Yeah.

I tend to put a lot of eggs in my "I probably will be able to keep myself alive" basket, which sometimes does not go well! But since they were both getting some early sus and I really wanted to sweep, I didn't want to put my weight into supporting the cases against them in case that ended up pushing stuff too far.

Probably should have eased up on my Zenge support some but I guess it worked out in the end

 

[WildZoo]

Yeah town really didn't get lucky at all with holiday/pirate stuff

I don't know if any of our stuff worked either

 

[WildZoo]

Oh I just looked at the spreadsheet. I guess we successfully blocked Spurs last night

 

[WildZoo]

PSV TRIED TO SEER ME

 

[GoSpursGo]

PSV TRIED TO SEER ME

I would have tried to seer apop, but interestingly @Clem J told it had a lower likelihood of success than a straight vig. I guess because if you’re gonna vig you have to do it without perfect info, whereas seer gives you perfect info

 

[WildZoo]

I would have tried to seer apop, but interestingly @Clem J told it had a lower likelihood of success than a straight vig. I guess because if you’re gonna vig you have to do it without perfect info, whereas seer gives you perfect info

Yeah vig comes with risk for your team so that makes sense

@Animal Midwife would say that vig is the only seer that should exist

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

@WildZoo it was probably good you killed me in the die because you refusing me the soul read on d1 was starting to ping me when that was SO DEEP into my village meta 😂

Then when you were basically only solving by pack is when I went "oh it's Zenge and dubz plus or minus someone else" which is pretty good for mostly skimming the thread after I died 😂

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeah vig comes with risk for your team so that makes sense

@Animal Midwife would say that vig is the only seer that should exist

Correct! "Real" Seers gaslight (fail against certain roles), gatekeep (don't let you reap the fruit of a wolf flip without borderline outting yourself), and copboss (ACAB).

 

[WildZoo]

Then when you were basically only solving by pack

I maintain that is how I solve in that gamestate! I'm really not good at separating woofs out from sketchy villagers, looking at interactions helps with my false positive rate.

But yeah the rest is valid lol

 

[WildZoo]

Although I actually don't remember the last time I was in VOLO with no wolf deaths and a pack last time it happened it was a very small game and there was only one wolf (I choked)

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

I maintain that is how I solve in that gamestate! I'm really not good at separating woofs out from sketchy villagers, looking at interactions helps with my false positive rate.

But yeah the rest is valid lol

It was the combo though of how you went about it and your defense of Zenge though that set me off. Something about the way you focused on it felt wrong haha

 

[WildZoo]

It was the combo though of how you went about it and your defense of Zenge though that set me off. Something about the way you focused on it felt wrong haha

I know we say the soul read is unidirectional but you do know me <3

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

I know we say the soul read is unidirectional but you do know me <3

It's only because I'm indecisive 😂 but also I had the clarity of being dead so 🤷‍♀️

 

[WildZoo]

It's only because I'm indecisive 😂 but also I had the clarity of being dead so 🤷‍♀️

Now we just need to both be village so I can ACTUALLY USE THE SOUL READ

 

[WildZoo]

Not that anyone will trust it

 

[Clem J]

Well fair, if your town game doesn't necessarily keep you alive it would be silly to replicate it 😛

Yeah, if your town game doesn't get you tr and/or does get you nked, you don't want to try and replicate that

The goal of playing scum isn't typically to perfectly match your town game, or even to look as townie as possible--it's to do whatever you need to do to survive as long as you can.

 

[Clem J]

I would have tried to seer apop, but interestingly @Clem J told it had a lower likelihood of success than a straight vig. I guess because if you’re gonna vig you have to do it without perfect info, whereas seer gives you perfect info

Correct

 

[GoSpursGo]

Yeah, if your town game doesn't get you tr and/or does get you nked, you don't want to try and replicate that

The goal of playing scum isn't typically to perfectly match your town game, or even to look as townie as possible--it's to do whatever you need to do to survive as long as you can.

This is a good take that I will keep in mind.

Regrettably if I don’t try to look a LITTLE towny I think I will get immediately caught