CWWem's HoWWiday ExtWWavangza (mafia game thread)

[fruitsalad]

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i’m planning to vote soon

should i vote now?

because i don’t want to wait till midnight and i think i’m pretty solid on PSV if we’re thinking apop is a misdirection

 

[WildZoo]

I think @GoSpursGo might want to finish looking at me? I don't know.

 

[fruitsalad]

fine i’ll wait for spurs to finish

 

[WildZoo]

I think regardless I'm at either apop or PSV at this point. So I will defer to you guys.

 

[WildZoo]

Does it make more sense to vote for apop if we think apop is still a possibility and the earlier lack of hammer indicates that the pack either contains apop or is only 2 people or both?

I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense but strategically that might be the better move?

 

[GoSpursGo]

Give yourself some credit! You had some pretty good early reads last game.

Null interaction with fruits

Spoiler

Sir are you gonna give any game-related thoughts? Close is in less than 2 hours

Is the lack of game related thoughts unusual to you for zenge d1?

Not necessarily, sometimes he's lurky d1. Apparently a little bit extra so this game since he didn't realize it had started lol

I haven't seen the genny way yet but I often need more than a day.

Sorry that isn't super helpful.

On Day 1?! When do I ever have D1 thoughts? I panic and vote someone dramatically in the last 10 minutes!

Sometimes you have like, a single thought!! You did last game! Maybe even two!

Fairly null discussion on Zenge being inactive for D1, as well as continued light sus toward genny.

Spoiler

I don't really understand the Katie chatter tbh. I didn't find her vote for SAR particularly suspicious. If anything she had the only reasoning I thought made any sense.

Explain this more?

genny had no reasoning at all/looked like she was continuing a joke vote and apop's reasoning wrinkled my eyebrows.

WildZoo - I have never played with you and lowkey you scare me a little

Why do I scare you?

Cause you seem like this all powerful player and I have no baseline of you to go off of

dubZ like's katie's reasoning, katie is not fully convinced.

Would you feel better if I jump to you and make a 3 way tie?

apop seems at least dubZ-curious on a vote at end of D1. Seems subsequent posts seem to suggest SAR/dubZ pairing.

Are you in a pack with SAR? Is that why you don’t want to see her go?

NO

I just don't like the idea of her being voted out d1 when I haven't had enough time to get the soul read!

Zenge also mildly goes after dubZ for possibly being paired with SAR, but it's in heat of end of D1.

This takes us to end of D1/ page 11. I don't feel like I really learned a lot more about who dubZ could or could not be paired with.

Possible dubZ pairing:
Spurs

Further eval for possible dubZ pairing:
Zenge
fruits
katie
PSV

Further evaluation for possible unpairing:
null

Unlikely dubZ pairing:
apop

 

[fruitsalad]

Does it make more sense to vote for apop if we think apop is still a possibility and the earlier lack of hammer indicates that the pack either contains apop or is only 2 people or both?

I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense but strategically that might be the better move?

yes it makes sense. a pack of 3 wolves lacking apop looks unlikely to me because of compatibility issues

 

[GoSpursGo]

I think @GoSpursGo might want to finish looking at me? I don't know.

I'm only at page 11/36. I don't think I've learned anything that really changes my opinion on the vote for today, and I think it's unlikely I will. Honestly will likely be more useful after a wolf flips. I'm happy to keep going but I don't think we necesarily need to in order to make decision today

idk if @katiemcat feels like she's getting anywhere with her reading of CYO to look at apop and PSV?

 

[katiemcat]

CYO notes

Apop (14 page ISO btw)
-W!Apop is largely scum read and yet nothing takes off on them.... Don't like this parallel
-W!Apop does attempt to distance from W!spurs and fully busses PSV
-W!Apop keeps around a village scapegoat to continue scum reading (rae)... Also seems to be a parallel

Spurs (Only 5 ISO)
-W!Spurs is much less chatty on thread, this is consistent with W!Spurs in the noob game as well.
-I do take back my point I made D1 that Spurs is unlikely to take charge/be a strong presence though.
-W!Spurs is quick to jump on an existing wagon, does not INITIATE investigation really
-I didn't see Spurs bus

PSV (7 page ISO)
-W!PSV being scary according to legend makes so much sense seeing her in action because she can emulate that V!PSV push factor so well. Her pushback on her packmates is VERY convincing.
-Pushes less strong/charged though. PSV pushed me very hard initially which gave me more V!PSV vibes.
-Also uses the rae scapegoat

 

[fruitsalad]

i think PSV/zenge pair is certainly possible

 

[fruitsalad]

with apop, the only one i think who could be paired is PSV

but PSV has a lot of compatibility potential

 

[apoptosis09]

CYO notes

Apop (14 page ISO btw)

So sorry. In my defense, I was trying hard to not die 😂

 

[katiemcat]

So sorry. In my defense, I was trying hard to not die 😂

And you did a very good job!!!

 

[Clem J]

D3 tally

Nobody is voting

 

[WildZoo]

D3 tally

Nobody is voting

We're all frozen and crying

 

[fruitsalad]

spurs, zenge, PSV maybe?

and the hammer didn’t happen because PSV and zenge were away?

 

[katiemcat]

D3 tally

Nobody is voting

Father we are spiraling.

I am reading old games instead of prepping cases.

 

[fruitsalad]

yeet PSV

going for it

@Clem J @alissa14

 

[GoSpursGo]

CYO notes

Apop (14 page ISO btw)
-W!Apop is largely scum read and yet nothing takes off on them.... Don't like this parallel
-W!Apop does attempt to distance from W!spurs and fully busses PSV
-W!Apop keeps around a village scapegoat to continue scum reading (rae)... Also seems to be a parallel

So would you generally agree with my assessment that apop seems very similar to how CYO played out?

 

[apoptosis09]

with apop, the only one i think who could be paired is PSV

but PSV has a lot of compatibility potential

In my humble and highly biased opinion, psv at least has clear wolf unpairings, so if she flips wolf you have a better village block. If I were to flip wolf you still have nothing except maybe psv, which we could solve today

 

[GoSpursGo]

spurs, zenge, PSV maybe?

and the hammer didn’t happen because PSV and zenge were away?

I would never bus Zenge. So if you're making a 3 wolf pack, I think apop has to be in it.

 

[fruitsalad]

psv at least has clear wolf unpairings

explain in great detail

 

[apoptosis09]

We're all some people are frozen and crying

Fify

 

[katiemcat]

So would you generally agree with my assessment that apop seems very similar to how CYO played out?

I would agree

 

[Clem J]

D3 tally

apoptosis09 ( ):
fruitsalad ( ):
Gospursgo ( ):
katiemcat ( ):
potentialsheltervet ( 1 ): fruit
wildzoo ( ):
zenge142 ( ):
sleep ( ):

 

[apoptosis09]

explain in great detail

Psv never busses and doesn't like being bussed. Can't even say if she would bus you if you begged her.
I might in the right circumstances.
Therefore anyone psv has pushed, if wolf, is almost guaranteed village and vice versa.

 

[GoSpursGo]

with apop, the only one i think who could be paired is PSV

but PSV has a lot of compatibility potential

I also think we have to be careful with just basing things around "compatibility." apop is going to be incompatible because she has been highly sus and people have picked up on it, and it's fairly likely that at least one packmate (if there are 3) could be working to distance.

All of this for saying that if I was to make the decision based solely on my own reads, apop would be further down in the POE than PSV. I think she makes sense for both 2 and 3 wolf packs. I am not strictly opposed to PSV, because I have to agree PSV does make a lot of sense to pair with apop, but it wouldn't be my pick.

 

[WildZoo]

Thoughts

- if we vote apop today and she flips village, pending nightkills we may be super lost tomorrow
- if we vote apop today and she flips wolf, pretty clear we vote PSV tomorrow
- if we vote PSV today and she flips village, I think that clears apop given the pairing analysis. This might be a huge benefit.
- if we vote PSV today and she flips wolf, probably still vote apop tomorrow but there may be other options to discuss


Obviously if it's a 3 wolf pack and we vote wrong we lose

 

[fruitsalad]

Can't even say if she would bus you if you begged her.

she would easily, but that’s a separate point

 

[WildZoo]

And if it IS a 3 wolf pack it basically has to include apop

Okay I'm not sure this thought experiment helped

 

[GoSpursGo]

Thoughts

- if we vote apop today and she flips village, pending nightkills we may be super lost tomorrow
- if we vote apop today and she flips wolf, pretty clear we vote PSV tomorrow
- if we vote PSV today and she flips village, I think that clears apop given the pairing analysis. This might be a huge benefit.
- if we vote PSV today and she flips wolf, probably still vote apop tomorrow but there may be other options to discuss


Obviously if it's a 3 wolf pack and we vote wrong we lose

So you're saying all roads lead to PSV?

 

[apoptosis09]

So you're saying all roads lead to PSV?

And me! Don't forget me

 

[WildZoo]

Psv never busses and doesn't like being bussed. Can't even say if she would bus you if you begged her.
I might in the right circumstances.
Therefore anyone psv has pushed, if wolf, is almost guaranteed village and vice versa.

PSV is not a never busser. I would say people she pushed hard and voted for, especially early, are unlikely to be partnered with her, but she's not opposed to distancing under the right circumstances as far as I am aware?

 

[WildZoo]

Like I think she prefers not to bus but she's not as rigid about it as Zenge or AM for instance and I have seen her distance from packmates to great effect.

 

[GoSpursGo]

PSV is not a never busser. I would say people she pushed hard and voted for, especially early, are unlikely to be partnered with her, but she's not opposed to distancing under the right circumstances as far as I am aware?

PSV, apop and I had an extensive discussion about our not wanting to outright bus. Distancing certainly possible if the situation arises

 

[WildZoo]

PSV, apop and I had an extensive discussion about our not wanting to outright bus. Distancing certainly possible if the situation arises

Yeah I know she prefers not to. I also think the circumstances of a multiball game make it a pretty poor strategy anyway.

 

[WildZoo]

Like I think she prefers not to bus but she's not as rigid about it as Zenge or AM for instance and I have seen her distance from packmates to great effect.

I should mention fruit among the never bussers too lol I think it might break him to do it

 

[apoptosis09]

Like I think she prefers not to bus but she's not as rigid about it as Zenge or AM for instance and I have seen her distance from packmates to great effect.

PSV, apop and I had an extensive discussion about our not wanting to outright bus. Distancing certainly possible if the situation arises

Fair point, bussing and distancing are different

 

[GoSpursGo]

Out of curiosity, and I think I can ask this now… did anybody get this last night?

View attachment 413295

OK but seriously... did anyone get a teddy bear? 🙂 Cuz if someone did I might suggest we wait a little while longer before engaging the hammer.

 

[fruitsalad]

PSV, apop and I had an extensive discussion about our not wanting to outright bus.

all of you, zenge, and AM will be wolves with me one day, and you’ll bus me fast and hard early D1 and storm your way to victory

the ultimate dream

 

[WildZoo]

So you're saying all roads lead to PSV?

Maybe? But it's at odds with the thought that any possible 3 wolf pack contains apop. I'm not sure what to give greater importance.

 

[WildZoo]

all of you, zenge, and AM will be wolves with me one day, and you’ll bus me fast and hard early D1 and storm your way to victory

the ultimate dream

Did Death Nommy not satisfy your lust for your own blood at the hands of your teammates?!

 

[apoptosis09]

OK but seriously... did anyone get a teddy bear? 🙂 Cuz if someone did I might suggest we wait a little while longer before engaging the hammer.

Wait why?

 

[fruitsalad]

i mean i’m really tempted to vote for apop again and go from there because we keep discussing apop since d1, voted for her both days, then landed up on village on both days with her wagons disintegrating

 

[GoSpursGo]

Wait why?

A dumb tinfoil

 

[WildZoo]

i mean i’m really tempted to vote for apop again and go from there because we keep discussing apop since d1, voted for her both days, then landed up on village on both days with her wagons disintegrating

That's valid tbh

 

[WildZoo]

I don't know I don't want to make decisions 🫠

 

[apoptosis09]

i mean i’m really tempted to vote for apop again and go from there because we keep discussing apop since d1, voted for her both days, then landed up on village on both days with her wagons disintegrating

hey it's not my fault village makes bad choices!

 

[fruitsalad]

unyeet PSV
yeet apop

@Clem J @alissa14

 

[apoptosis09]

A dumb tinfoil

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