Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

[Wiisp]

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Plz tell me there is a way to isolate posts 😭

 

[WildZoo]

Y'all really just out here posting stuff on the open thread that you should probably clarify with the mods, smh

 

[Wondalfy]

Wait a sec. So I have a wincon to eliminate a certain faction, are you saying that that’s not the wolves? Cause that’s where my mind went. (It’s not the ashen wolves fyi)

I'm not sure how to feel about this reveal 😅 I feel like that was a question for PMs...

 

[Wiisp]

Zoo can we be masons?

 

[WildZoo]

Plz tell me there is a way to isolate posts 😭

Well...sort of. It's not great. But if you go to search, leave the search box empty, change the dropdown to "This thread" and put the relevant person's username in the Member box, it'll show you their posts. They get clipped though and you can't quote them directly from the search.

 

[WildZoo]

Zoo can we be masons?

Fine, but if you betray me you will live to regret it 🙂

 

[justafluff]

I'm not sure how to feel about this reveal 😅 I feel like that was a question for PMs...

I don’t see the harm of posting that on the main thread. And I wanna know Santy’s interpretation.

 

[Wiisp]

Well...sort of. It's not great. But if you go to search, leave the search box empty, change the dropdown to "This thread" and put the relevant person's username in the Member box, it'll show you their posts. They get clipped though and you can't quote them directly from the search.

Meh, better than nothing I suppose

And I won't betray u, unless u betray me first lol

 

[chicandtoughness]

I suspect, given the multi faction aspect of this game, factions may have wincons to eliminate other factions while also avoiding wolf dominance.

 

[WildZoo]

I suspect, given the multi faction aspect of this game, factions may have wincons to eliminate other factions while also avoiding wolf dominance.

Yes, I am mostly concerned about genny (and now maybe fluff??) apparently not being concerned about wolves

In a roundabout way concerned about April not knowing the factions were real but that's harder to parse through lol

 

[VeggieTrex]

I suspect, given the multi faction aspect of this game, factions may have wincons to eliminate other factions while also avoiding wolf dominance.

This makes the most sense to me tbh. It does say in the intro post that were at war.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Can anyone on the genny train explain why they‘re sus?

They already did.

 

[justafluff]

Yes, I am mostly concerned about genny (and now maybe fluff??) apparently not being concerned about wolves

In a roundabout way concerned about April not knowing the factions were real but that's harder to parse through lol

Why do you think I’m not concerned about wolves? I just thought that the faction I’m supposed to be against was the wolf faction. I just realized that’s probably not the case.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I hate having to waste my posts on mechanics but wolves literally were mentioned in the intro post. I don't see how it's even a question that they're an issue.

 

[WildZoo]

Why do you think I’m not concerned about wolves? I just thought that the faction I’m supposed to be against was the wolf faction. I just realized that’s probably not the case.

Because that seems to imply your sole wincon is eliminating a faction that is not, in fact, the wolves.

 

[justafluff]

Because that seems to imply your sole wincon is eliminating a faction that is not, in fact, the wolves.

Do you have any indication that your wincon specifies wolf elimination? Other than the intro post that there is a Wolfpack ofc

 

[zuriburi]

We don't even know what the other factions are. The only thing we know is that wolves exist so we should hunt them until the other factions prove to be a greater threat.

Ok so here’s my larger game theory, and given the setup, I don’t think it’s too tinfoil... The village is made up of factions that are at least primarily the titular three houses in the game. Each of these houses and potential other villager/neutral factions have various complex wincons. This is based on me being in in one of the 3 houses and having a more complex wincon than simply “catch the wolves.”

at the same time, we know from the write-up that there is a traditional wolfpack. I think the Wolfpack’s wincon is likely real simple and traditional… reach parity with all of the students who are trying to survive and fulfill their own wincons.

ERGO, the top of my poe are the people who jumped in saying, “what factions/funky mechanics? The only thing to focus on is catching the wolves” I think the only perspective this game looks that simple from is that of the wolf faction.

like its also possible that some of those folks approach every werewolf game with the same mindset regardless how telegraphed the nontradictionary setup is or what their actual role is, so I’m not 100% on any of those folks actually being wolves, but given that I still haven’t seen @Animal Midwife respond to my question about her being in any of the houses I’m feeling pretty good about my

yeet Animal Midwife vote

 

[WildZoo]

Do you have any indication that your wincon specifies wolf elimination? Other than the intro post that there is a Wolfpack ofc

I'm not going to talk about my wincon, I'm only talking about yours because you brought it up lol

 

[justafluff]

I entered the game thinking there is a wolf faction, that’s the one identified in everyone’s wincon.
But now I think each faction has 2 conditions: eliminate their opposing faction and defeat the Wolfpack.
And I know I should have asked the mods but I didn’t think I’d get a straight answer from a question like “oh is that what the wolf faction is called?”

 

[WildZoo]

Ok so here’s my larger game theory, and given the setup, I don’t think it’s too tinfoil... The village is made up of factions that are at least primarily the titular three houses in the game. Each of these houses and potential other villager/neutral factions have various complex wincons. This is based on me being in in one of the 3 houses and having a more complex wincon than simply “catch the wolves.”

at the same time, we know from the write-up that there is a traditional wolfpack. I think the Wolfpack’s wincon is likely real simple and traditional… reach parity with all of the students who are trying to survive and fulfill their own wincons.

ERGO, the top of my poe are the people who jumped in saying, “what factions/funky mechanics? The only thing to focus on is catching the wolves” I think the only perspective this game looks that simple from is that of the wolf faction.

like its also possible that some of those folks approach every werewolf game with the same mindset regardless how telegraphed the nontradictionary setup is or what their actual role is, so I’m not 100% on any of those folks actually being wolves, but given that I still haven’t seen @Animal Midwife respond to my question about her being in any of the houses I’m feeling pretty good about my

yeet Animal Midwife vote

Do you think Wisp, Santy, and I are wolves too?

I think assuming that anyone who is focusing on wolf hunting is a wolf is looking at things entirely backwards, sorry. Wolves would be more likely to take advantage of the faction setup to direct attention elsewhere. No reason for them to ignore it when they can use it to their advantage, or may even assume that everyone is focused on the other parts of their wincon. It's not like they don't know it's a faction game.

 

[justafluff]

I'm not going to talk about my wincon, I'm only talking about yours because you brought it up lol

Yeah cause I thought everyone that’s village aligned shared the same wincon. Until Santy and others spoke up about “knowing your wincon”.

 

[WildZoo]

But now I think each faction has 2 conditions: eliminate their opposing faction and defeat the Wolfpack.

Nope and this makes me even more concerned about you

 

[WildZoo]

genny I'm concerned is a wolf

Fluff I'm more concerned is an exclusive-type faction

April unsure

 

[justafluff]

Nope and this makes me even more concerned about you

Well likewise. There must be at least someone else in this game who knows what I’m talking about.

 

[zuriburi]

Do you think Wisp, Santy, and I are wolves too?

I think assuming that anyone who is focusing on wolf hunting is a wolf is looking at things entirely backwards, sorry. Wolves would be more likely to take advantage of the faction setup to direct attention elsewhere. No reason for them to ignore it when they can use it to their advantage, or may even assume that everyone is focused on the other parts of their wincon. It's not like they don't know it's a faction game.

If my theory is right, based on how you’re challenging Fluff, you’re probably a wolf

 

[WildZoo]

Well likewise. There must be at least someone else in this game who knows what I’m talking about.

Why would you be concerned about my wincon not involving other potentially innocent people dying?

 

[WildZoo]

If my theory is right, based on how you’re challenging Fluff, you’re probably a wolf

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ok so here’s my larger game theory, and given the setup, I don’t think it’s too tinfoil... The village is made up of factions that are at least primarily the titular three houses in the game. Each of these houses and potential other villager/neutral factions have various complex wincons. This is based on me being in in one of the 3 houses and having a more complex wincon than simply “catch the wolves.”

at the same time, we know from the write-up that there is a traditional wolfpack. I think the Wolfpack’s wincon is likely real simple and traditional… reach parity with all of the students who are trying to survive and fulfill their own wincons.

ERGO, the top of my poe are the people who jumped in saying, “what factions/funky mechanics? The only thing to focus on is catching the wolves” I think the only perspective this game looks that simple from is that of the wolf faction.

like its also possible that some of those folks approach every werewolf game with the same mindset regardless how telegraphed the nontradictionary setup is or what their actual role is, so I’m not 100% on any of those folks actually being wolves, but given that I still haven’t seen @Animal Midwife respond to my question about her being in any of the houses I’m feeling pretty good about my

yeet Animal Midwife vote

Now that's twice you made up stuff that never happened to justify voting for "a village read" addition.

Literally no where did I say WhAT fAcTIOns?

I just asked why the priority shouldn't be hunting wolves instead of exclusive 3p which may or may not exist.

I'm very close to voting you.

 

[justafluff]

Why would you be concerned about my wincon not involving other potentially innocent people dying?

It would mean that you don’t belong in any specific faction? Idk, fire emblem is after all a war between factions.

 

[Santygrass]

Wait a sec. So I have a wincon to eliminate a certain faction, are you saying that that’s not the wolves? Cause that’s where my mind went. (It’s not the ashen wolves fyi)

My point was to make sure that Ashen Wolves didnt mean Wolf as an alignment, just that it was the name of a house in the game.
Or like, avoid the case of someone interpreting that without reading their wincon.

I don't know hoy you reached that conclussion from my post.

But there is a classic wolfpack that we need to hunt. Other stuff about our affiliation / wincon don't think its benefitial to reveal on thread

 

[WildZoo]

It would mean that you don’t belong in any specific faction? Idk, fire emblem is after all a war between factions.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions that you shouldn't be making.

 

[Wondalfy]

Zuri I didn't want my bias from the last game to influence me any but you are not helping 🫠 I also agree catching wolves should be the #1 priority.

I think fluff is less sus simply because I don't think a wolf would publicly say that their goal is to kill a whole faction lol

 

[VeggieTrex]

But there is a classic wolfpack that we need to hunt. Other stuff about our affiliation / wincon don't think its benefitial to reveal on thread

I revealed too much in the noob game and got yeeted the same night so I'm pretty sure that's good advice regardless.

 

[Santygrass]

Can anyone on the genny train explain why they‘re sus?

Because their approach seemed scum-sided.
Or at least, from what I read until now genny seems like the likelier hit.

Will continue analyzing though because I know from experience that genny's mind works in mysterious ways that only logic could never understand.
But my mind reaches far greater reads that logic alone could never achieve, so my read will get more accurate.

 

[WildZoo]

Okay but what if I want the sweet release of death, does that mean I should reveal all?

Hi, I'm Dubz! Ask me anything!

 

[zuriburi]

I think assuming that anyone who is focusing on wolf hunting is a wolf is looking at things entirely backwards, sorry.

I think there’s a difference between focusing on wolf hunting and dismissing questions about the complexity of the mechanics.

Wolves would be more likely to take advantage of the faction setup to direct attention elsewhere.

I honestly think the opposite is true. I think the wolves are less likely to know about the factional setup, and have a simpler daytime goal of landing misyeets which is easier to do if you keep things simple and highlight “wolfy” behavior in support of said misyeets.

No reason for them to ignore it when they can use it to their advantage, or may even assume that everyone is focused on the other parts of their wincon. It's not like they don't know it's a faction game.

like I still think it’s beneficial for all 3 houses to hunt wolves whether it’s our primary wincon, because we all lose if the wolves reach parity, but I think there are a lot of folks who either didn’t read their roles carefully or are wolves and weren’t clues in to this complexity from the jump

 

[Aprilthearab]

Ok so here’s my larger game theory, and given the setup, I don’t think it’s too tinfoil... The village is made up of factions that are at least primarily the titular three houses in the game. Each of these houses and potential other villager/neutral factions have various complex wincons. This is based on me being in in one of the 3 houses and having a more complex wincon than simply “catch the wolves.”

at the same time, we know from the write-up that there is a traditional wolfpack. I think the Wolfpack’s wincon is likely real simple and traditional… reach parity with all of the students who are trying to survive and fulfill their own wincons.

ERGO, the top of my poe are the people who jumped in saying, “what factions/funky mechanics? The only thing to focus on is catching the wolves” I think the only perspective this game looks that simple from is that of the wolf faction.

like its also possible that some of those folks approach every werewolf game with the same mindset regardless how telegraphed the nontradictionary setup is or what their actual role is, so I’m not 100% on any of those folks actually being wolves, but given that I still haven’t seen @Animal Midwife respond to my question about her being in any of the houses I’m feeling pretty good about my

yeet Animal Midwife vote

We can agree that factions exist AND also aim to just wolf hunt given the writeup info we have, those aren't mutually exclusive villager things. Do you think it would make more sense for people to come out on thread and say "I'm not wolf hunting, I'm faction hunting because it's my wincon"?

I see where you're coming from and why you'd reason that but I think this is the exact type of mechanics assumptions that get villagers yeeted

 

[Zenge142]

Smh

Oh that reminds me

@Zenge142 , did you read your role PM yet?

I have. I didn’t see anything about Clem in there, but that seems like typical Clem shenanigans tbh

 

[WildZoo]

I think there’s a difference between focusing on wolf hunting and dismissing questions about the complexity of the mechanics.

I honestly think the opposite is true. I think the wolves are less likely to know about the factional setup, and have a simpler daytime goal of landing misyeets which is easier to do if you keep things simple and highlight “wolfy” behavior in support of said misyeets.


like I still think it’s beneficial for all 3 houses to hunt wolves whether it’s our primary wincon, because we all lose if the wolves reach parity, but I think there are a lot of folks who either didn’t read their roles carefully or are wolves and weren’t clues in to this complexity from the jump

What questions were dismissed?

And I think you're wrong I've played a ton of games with 3ps, and several factional games, I've modded them too. Wolves don't come in like "Let's focus on wolfhunting guys!" when they have the opportunity to take advantage of things being more complex and confusing. They don't brush off attempts at tinfoiling because that stuff benefits them. If anything, letting everyone else talk about that and speculate gives them even more information.

Unless the wolf pack is 100% noobs (which is not what you're implying, since you think AM and I are wolfing), they know it's a faction game, they know there are going to be other wincons here. I can 1000% guarantee I would assume that there would be various wincons going on from the start. And I promise you I read my role PM lol

 

[PlumPoppy]

ERGO, the top of my poe are the people who jumped in saying, “what factions/funky mechanics? The only thing to focus on is catching the wolves” I think the only perspective this game looks that simple from is that of the wolf faction.

I agree that given this an experimental/factional game, there are factors at play that we don't know about. Just think about our pure chaos noob game (thank you for the journey mods. I promise we loved the chaos!) However, the ultimate goal is to take down the wolves at the end of the day. I think (hope?) that because a lot of us are new and have very off wolf-radars, the more veteran players are trying to steer the conversation toward the issue at hand?

 

[Santygrass]

I think the perspective / read of the game of zuri is inaccurate, but I think its quite villagery .
Or at least, I dont think someone from a wolfpack confused about the differemt factions would start giving details . So I'm inclined to shield them right now. (This is not manator bias I swear)

As a wolf Zuri also used to tinfoil things to make some pushes, but I think the key part is that, zuri believed those pushes they made (pushed matt thinking he was evil 3p) , so Im inclined to think that tinfoil is genuine by now and not coming from the place of a wolf.


And to reply to zuri gamestate read, from my experience , the simplest/most effective way to handle a game with more than one faction/multiball or whatever, is to start hunting the wolves, then later figure out how to procceed. Early crossfire , or 'villagers' (aka non-wolves) not cooperating or being divided just help wolves and creates a more chaotic state , in which the coordinated faction just gets benefitted the most.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think the perspective / read of the game of zuri is inaccurate, but I think its quite villagery .
Or at least, I dont think someone from a wolfpack confused about the differemt factions would start giving details . So I'm inclined to shield them right now. (This is not manator bias I swear)

As a wolf Zuri also used to tinfoil things to make some pushes, but I think the key part is that, zuri believed those pushes they made (pushed matt thinking he was evil 3p) , so Im inclined to think that tinfoil is genuine by now and not coming from the place of a wolf.


And to reply to zuri gamestate read, from my experience , the simplest/most effective way to handle a game with more than one faction/multiball or whatever, is to start hunting the wolves, then later figure out how to procceed. Early crossfire , or 'villagers' (aka non-wolves) not cooperating or being divided just help wolves and creates a more chaotic state , in which the coordinated faction just gets benefitted the most.

Wait, but you're saying zuri truly believed what he was saying then. So what makes that different from now?

 

[zuriburi]

Now that's twice you made up stuff that never happened to justify voting for "a village read" addition.

Literally no where did I say WhAT fAcTIOns?

I just asked why the priority shouldn't be hunting wolves instead of exclusive 3p which may or may not exist.

I'm very close to voting you.

Im paraphrasing the post i was replying to in this post. You said we don’t even know what the other factions are all we know is the wolves exist. I believe there is not a traditional village faction and everyone who is non-wolf or at least 3-house aligned knows at least their own faction and likely one other faction at minimum. I believe that the state of knowledge you describe where we only know about the wolves and nothing else is only true of the wolves who probably only know that there are wolves and non-wolves. The benefit of the doubt I can grant you is that you either didn’t read your role or wanted to keep any knowledge from your role very close to your chest

 

[Santygrass]

And I mean... Even in the sign-ups it was stated that this was a experimental game. I think experienced players knew this game wasn't typical from the start

 

[WildZoo]

As a wolf Zuri also used to tinfoil things to make some pushes, but I think the key part is that, zuri believed those pushes they made (pushed matt thinking he was evil 3p) , so Im inclined to think that tinfoil is genuine by now and not coming from the place of a wolf.

Well who's to say he doesn't believe AM and I are evil 3p now? 😛

 

[WildZoo]

Im paraphrasing the post i was replying to in this post. You said we don’t even know what the other factions are all we know is the wolves exist. I believe there is not a traditional village faction and everyone who is non-wolf or at least 3-house aligned knows at least their own faction and likely one other faction at minimum. I believe that the state of knowledge you describe where we only know about the wolves and nothing else is only true of the wolves who probably only know that there are wolves and non-wolves. The benefit of the doubt I can grant you is that you either didn’t read your role or wanted to keep any knowledge from your role very close to your chest

More assumptions, sigh

 

[Santygrass]

Wait, but you're saying zuri truly believed what he was saying then. So what makes that different from now?

The angling of their push.

Zuri is now aiming for a wolfpack, making connections and reading gamestate, thing which was lacking in the tinfoils from their noob game (or at least what I read from it).

 

[Animal Midwife]

Im paraphrasing the post i was replying to in this post. You said we don’t even know what the other factions are all we know is the wolves exist.

And we don't. Unless you somehow know what factions exist in this game.

I believe there is not a traditional village faction and everyone who is non-wolf or at least 3-house aligned knows at least their own faction and likely one other faction at minimum. I believe that the state of knowledge you describe where we only know about the wolves and nothing else is only true of the wolves who probably only know that there are wolves and non-wolves. The benefit of the doubt I can grant you is that you either didn’t read your role or wanted to keep any knowledge from your role very close to your chest

I don't even know what knowledge your talking about. This is open baseline stuff that even the spectators have access to since IT'S IN THE OP.

 

[WildZoo]

Like literally STOP assuming you know anything about how the rest of the game's wincons are set up. Because you don't, and this game is intended to be complex, and the idea that it is as simple as every faction needing to get rid of wolves and one other faction is silly and wrong.

I like mechanics, but the continued assumptions on day 1 are going to drive me nuts. You know your own wincon. That is all you know.

 

[motheatenlysis]

Why doesn't zuri count? But also I'm not sure how many of them know the thread is open. If you don't watch it, you don't get notifications. That's a common issue if there's a significant gap between tag time and actual thread unlocking (assuming you're not used to that sort of thing).

Mothy did not know until Shorty told me!