"Help Me Rank" IM 2020

[alreadynotyet]

Hey everyone. I was pretty set on Stanford and UCLA to be one and 2, but was very impressed by OHSU (I want to be a Hospitalist so I’m not dead set on having a huge name institution). Thinking of ranking OHSU first. Thoughts on the OHSU program?

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[deleted980918]

I am about to start my fellowship... I know faculty and management at Hackensack closely...Having said that I have no dog in the fight and won't make a dime of money posting here...I again reiterate .. it's a new program and still years from achieving maturity...it may be a great place many years down the line...

Hackensack is essentially a Northwell in the making. ~5-10 years ago, north-shore/LIJ was essentially a community program and now its a solid mid-tier and some of its fellowships (ie pulm/crit) are pretty high up there.

 

[ariashi100]

Is this your tentative order?

CC Fl
Einstein
Case Metro
Mount Auburn
Cook county

 

[Coffee92]

I think Mount Auburn should be higher. I have heard good things about the program, the program if I am not mistaken is affiliated with Harvard. Montefiore can be lower, since it does not have strong cardio (did not interview there but heard it does not have a cath lab? and resident go outside the program to do cardio rotation, so would not be ideal if you want to go to cardio fellowship in the future). Otherwise I agree with you rank no. 1. No idea about other programs.

Thanks a lot for the feedback. It's true auburn is a harvard teaching hospital, but I felt it's a GREAT program for those interested in PC only. They do have a fellowship pathway and it seems like they sincerely are supportive of their trainees, but I didn't feel they have the resources needed to make you a competitive applicant for fellowship due to PC oriented nature. As for montefiore, a lot of people said the same thing as you did.

 

[obiwan]

Hey everyone. I was pretty set on Stanford and UCLA to be one and 2, but was very impressed by OHSU (I want to be a Hospitalist so I’m not dead set on having a huge name institution). Thinking of ranking OHSU first. Thoughts on the OHSU program?

I work with people who trained at OHSU and they liked the program. Solid program overall and definitely won't be selling yourself short in any way by going there

 

[jetsknicks333]

Really having problems discerning between these programs. Undecided on fellowship, but want to keep my options open if i decide on something competitive. Main factors for me are QoL, administrative support, and general happiness of the residents. Any input would be appreciated.

1. Lankenau - got good vibes from the program and the residents. match seems to do well based on the size of the program. Not X+Y but said their residents declined it when offered. in-house fellowships as well. Hard to find further info/rep on this program.
2. Northwell Staten Island- PD seemed very good, seemed fairly rigorous but a good place to get trained, northwell salary is 73k, have and take a lot of in-house fellowships.
3. Jersey Shore- residents seem happy and content with their choice, surrounding area seems fun, trying to get more in-house fellowships, but match ok for what they are.
4. Northwell Mather- lesser known/newer northwell, in middle of nowhere in long island
5. Hackensack - new program, seems like it'll be good soon, has not had a graduating class yet. residents seemed a little perturbed about the size of their workspace, but trying to work on it
6. Danbury - good vibes overall, good match for the size of their program, residents seem reasonably happy. don't know much about danbury area
7. Geisinger- seems good and resident-centered. danville PA ....
8. Westchester - couldn't tell if residents were unhappy, use an old EMR, hosp was meh, when they presented their fellowship match it was an aggregate of like 2011-2019 so who knows lol

Thanks for any input.

 

[gutonc]

Can anyone help rank these programs from a training, resident wellness/workload, and possible fellowship opportunity (undecided) stand point?

RUHS/UC Riverside
Riverside Community (CA)
Methodist Dallas
UCSF-Fresno
University of New Mexico

Is this your order?

 

[gutonc]

Hello, sorry. Tentative order would be:

-Methodist Dallas (would prefer to live in Dallas over ABQ)
-University of New Mexico (neck and neck with Methodist. If this were in a better location, it would be the unquestionable #1)
-Riverside Community (closer to family)
-UC Riverside (closer to family)
-UCSF-Fresno (location brought this down, but a fine institution)

Location is complicating the ROL greatly. Wanted to get a second opinion from others, location aside. Thank you.

You know what’s important to you. If it’s location over program “strength”, then that’s your call. Not sure why UCR is lower than Riverside Community, but whatever.

From a straightforward program strength and future opportunities perspective, I’d put them:
UNM/Fresno
UCR/Methodist
Riverside Community

 

[weqwerq]

Does anyone oppose this ranking based on clinical training, QOL, and possible fellowship (cardio or h/o)?

1. Jefferson
2. Temple
3. GW
4. Miami
5. CCF
6. Pennsy
7. Rutgers NJMS

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[upstudent]

Non-US-IMG, interested in doing a fellowship in Cards
Tentative list (in order of preference) :
1. Cleveland Clinic Fairview
2. East Carolina University
3. East Tennessee State University
4. Cleveland Clinic Akron
5. Mount Sinai Bronx
6. Sinai Hospital of Baltimore
7. Montefiore New Rochelle
8. White River Medical Centre

Kindly give me your valuable inputs. Visa preference would be an H1B. Hence, unable to decide between H1 and J1 programs.

@gutonc @rokshana

I can confirm that the IM prog director at Montifiore New Rochelle is one of the biggest pos you will ever meet in your life sir.

 

[Drscopes]

CC Fl
Einstein
Case Metro
Mount Auburn
Cook county

Why Auburn over Cook? It's J1 and almost non-existent research opportunities in GI.

 

[Ashantua]

Why Auburn over Cook? It's J1 and almost non-existent research opportunities in GI.

I actually didn’t know it was J1 only thought H1B was sponsored as well

 

[Dominus]

Any thoughts on OSU vs Baylor vs OHSU? Interested in PCCM primarily.

 

[dorster]

Really having problems discerning between these programs. Undecided on fellowship, but want to keep my options open if i decide on something competitive. Main factors for me are QoL, administrative support, and general happiness of the residents. Any input would be appreciated.

1. Lankenau - got good vibes from the program and the residents. match seems to do well based on the size of the program. Not X+Y but said their residents declined it when offered. in-house fellowships as well. Hard to find further info/rep on this program.
2. Northwell Staten Island- PD seemed very good, seemed fairly rigorous but a good place to get trained, northwell salary is 73k, have and take a lot of in-house fellowships.
3. Jersey Shore- residents seem happy and content with their choice, surrounding area seems fun, trying to get more in-house fellowships, but match ok for what they are.
4. Northwell Mather- lesser known/newer northwell, in middle of nowhere in long island
5. Hackensack - new program, seems like it'll be good soon, has not had a graduating class yet. residents seemed a little perturbed about the size of their workspace, but trying to work on it
6. Danbury - good vibes overall, good match for the size of their program, residents seem reasonably happy. don't know much about danbury area
7. Geisinger- seems good and resident-centered. danville PA ....
8. Westchester - couldn't tell if residents were unhappy, use an old EMR, hosp was meh, when they presented their fellowship match it was an aggregate of like 2011-2019 so who knows lol

Thanks for any input.

I would rank like this is if were me (and purely based on resident happiness and opportunities for fellowship etc):
#1 and #2 should be Northwell Staten Island and Westchester Medical Center- both are somewhat more academic and have in-house fellowships in almost every department, also both have medical school affiliations. compared to the rest of your list. Also depends how important QoL is though because obviously those 2 would have the highest QOL given they are near NYC. Residents at both of these programs are happy, I have experience with both, through close friends.
#3 and # 4 should be either Jersey Shore or Geisinger for the same reasons - both have some in house fellowships. I know some people at these programs and they seem relatively happy however their location might be better in terms of QOL compared to the first two programs I mentioned, however, they are pretty much in the middle of nowhere.
#5 and #6 - Danbury vs Hackensack. Also know people at these programs however, I would say they are some of the weakest of your list. Hackensack will likely improve with Seton Hall Medical School starting but it won't be until after you finish residency. They don't have in house fellowships and its a brand new programs so I bet it would be fairly disorganized. Danbury has some fellowships, but is in the middle of nowhere, and I don't know much about their program.
#7 Northwell Mather - Small program, middle of nowhere, lesser known, not as many opportunities. However, if you know you want to do primary care or hospitalist and don't mind the location then you might want it higher.


I have no idea about Lankenau so I can't comment there, never heard of it.

 

[acciozelda12]

Hey! I'm a U.S. IMG applying for Internal Medicine

1. University of Arizona (South Campus)
2. University of Tennessee, Chattanooga
3. UCSF Fresno
4. St. Joseph Mercy Ann arbor,MI
5. St. Johns, MI
6. Mercy Hospital, St. Louis
7. Advocate Masonic, Chicago
8. Michigan State University, MI
9. UPMC Pinnacle, PA
10. LIJ - Forest Hills, NY
11. Montefiore Wakefield
12. Rochester Regional health

Can someone help me out with the first three especially, UCSF fresno came down to third because I really didn't like the place although I liked the program, it was too much in the middle of no-where for me.

How much does it matter if a place has a CATH LAB or not? I'm interested in fellowship but not sure which one yet.

 

[rokshana]

Hey! I'm a U.S. IMG,

1. University of Arizona (South Campus)
2. University of Tennessee, Chattanooga
3. UCSF Fresno
4. St. Joseph Mercy Ann arbor,MI
5. St. Johns, MI
6. Mercy Hospital, St. Louis
7. Advocate Masonic, Chicago
8. Michigan State University, MI
9. UPMC Pinnacle, PA
10. LIJ - Forest Hills, NY
11. Montefiore Wakefield
12. Rochester Regional health

Can someone help me out with the first three especially, UCSF fresno came down to third because I really didn't like the place although I liked the program, it was too much in the middle of no-where for me.

How much does it matter if a place has a CATH LAB or not? I'm interested in fellowship but not sure which one yet.

Why is MSU so low?

 

[acciozelda12]

Why is MSU so low?

I am a little apprehensive of the collaboration between Sparrow hospital and MSU, I haven't really understood it, they talked about how some fellowships are sponsored by MSU while some are sponsored by Sparrow and some are DO while some are MD. I was worried if any future issues may creep up. If you think this doesn't matter much please let me know.
Thanks

 

[UncertainMSTP]

I would love some help with the middle of my rank list. I'm interested in heme/onc and have a toddler so location is playing a bigger role than expected. As of now leaning towards academic medicine due to interest in teaching and clinical trials.

4. Northwestern - loved the program - seemed to lean more towards education than service which I am OK with during residency, love the city, could see renting in downtown for 3 years and then moving again
5. UW - fantastic heme/onc, increasing cost of living and limited benefits leave something to be desired
6. UTSW - family loves dallas, great COL, very strong clinical training, dislike the huge emphasis on ICU and CCU time during residency, concerned about treating 40% Spanish speaking population without knowing Spanish
7. UPMC - really like the concept of resident led rounds, love how 4+4 scheduling would give a structure for pursuing research throughout residency and potentially more regular family time

@gutonc or any others have any advice

 

[Icantbebothered]

I agree. I think everyone should post with an order in mind (and ideally list what you are looking for). Otherwise, doximity/reddit has already ranked these places in an "objective" way

Hi how do I access the doximity ranking feature, would u be able to provide a link, thanks

 

[Icantbebothered]

hi there can anyone help me with the ranking of these programs. Non US IMG interested in GI and H1b visa.

Case metrohealth (in house GI match, usually takes one of their own, H1B visa sponsored, not a huge fan of Cleveland)
Einstein Philly (in house GI match, H1B visa sponsored, love Philly, definitely works you hard)
Mount Auburn (love the location and vibe, a bit "Cush", no fellowships, can rotate at other big Boston hospitals, not sure what visa sponsored?)
Jacobi (very good fellowship match, no in house GI, works very very hard, H1b visa sponsored, not a fan of NYC and residents seemed very tired)
Cleveland Clinic Florida (love the hospital and location, in house GI, H1B visa sponsored, very very happy residents)
Cook county (love Chicago, in house GI, H1B visa sponsored, work veryyyyy hard according to residents)

i know for a fact that jacobi doesn't support GI fellowship interests, my interviewer told me this in person at Jacobi

 

[Icantbebothered]

Hey! I'm a U.S. IMG applying for Internal Medicine

1. University of Arizona (South Campus)
2. University of Tennessee, Chattanooga
3. UCSF Fresno
4. St. Joseph Mercy Ann arbor,MI
5. St. Johns, MI
6. Mercy Hospital, St. Louis
7. Advocate Masonic, Chicago
8. Michigan State University, MI
9. UPMC Pinnacle, PA
10. LIJ - Forest Hills, NY
11. Montefiore Wakefield
12. Rochester Regional health

Can someone help me out with the first three especially, UCSF fresno came down to third because I really didn't like the place although I liked the program, it was too much in the middle of no-where for me.

How much does it matter if a place has a CATH LAB or not? I'm interested in fellowship but not sure which one yet.

1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 4, 5,7 ,6,10, 11, 12

 

[gutonc]

I would love some help with the middle of my rank list. I'm interested in heme/onc and have a toddler so location is playing a bigger role than expected. As of now leaning towards academic medicine due to interest in teaching and clinical trials.

4. Northwestern - loved the program - seemed to lean more towards education than service which I am OK with during residency, love the city, could see renting in downtown for 3 years and then moving again
5. UW - fantastic heme/onc, increasing cost of living and limited benefits leave something to be desired
6. UTSW - family loves dallas, great COL, very strong clinical training, dislike the huge emphasis on ICU and CCU time during residency, concerned about treating 40% Spanish speaking population without knowing Spanish
7. UPMC - really like the concept of resident led rounds, love how 4+4 scheduling would give a structure for pursuing research throughout residency and potentially more regular family time

@gutonc or any others have any advice

I think with those being your 4-7, you really need to make sure your 1-3 are locked down because that's the most likely outcome.

That said, you could put these 4 in literally any order and be fine. My biggest beef w/ UW and UTSW (back in the day) was the sheer size of those programs. That was something that just didn't work well for me. But these 4 are all super strong programs and you'll be set up well for fellowship from any of them.

 

[ariashi100]

can anyone help me with the visa sponsorship topic? as a non US IMG should we be ranking H1b > J1. I really want less hassle down the line when it comes to living in the US

 

[cabergoline2]

Does anyone oppose this ranking based on clinical training, QOL, and possible fellowship (cardio or h/o)?

1. Jefferson
2. Temple
3. GW
4. Miami
5. CCF
6. Pennsy
7. Rutgers NJMS

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Cleveland clinic should be higher unless u hate cleveland...

 

[Dominus]

So my 4 through 7 are also generating consternation for me. Interested in PCCM currently with a strong interest in medical education research.

4. Baylor: obviously good programx best clinical training and lots research with an awesome educational track, but really do not like Houston. Residents also seemed kinda cold on the interview day and I've heard their intern year is rough.

5. OHSU: Beautiful city and hospital, loved the schedule and residents, but they do not have any kind of education track. It's not critical but is a minus for me.

6. OSU: good schedule, nice hospital,
, lots of research. Columbus is kind of a meh city personally.

7. Wisconsin: loved the people and PD, but traditional schedule is a big negative. Really good education track though.

 

[Non-US IMG]

Hi Guys,
Non-US IMG interested in Cards. Can anyone share his insight on Lahey Clinic?
I’m not sure if I should rank it above Albert Einstein in Philly based on Location.

 

[rokshana]

Cleveland clinic should be higher unless u hate cleveland...

for IM? they are so fellow run.

 

[rokshana]

So my 4 through 7 are also generating consternation for me. Interested in PCCM currently with a strong interest in medical education research.

4. Baylor: obviously good programx best clinical training and lots research with an awesome educational track, but really do not like Houston. Residents also seemed kinda cold on the interview day and I've heard their intern year is rough.

5. OHSU: Beautiful city and hospital, loved the schedule and residents, but they do not have any kind of education track. It's not critical but is a minus for me.

6. OSU: good schedule, nice hospital,
, lots of research. Columbus is kind of a meh city personally.

7. Wisconsin: loved the people and PD, but traditional schedule is a big negative. Really good education track though.

so what's more important? location or training? ts 3 years, so not that long, but for some it can make a difference.

 

[obiwan]

I would love some help with the middle of my rank list. I'm interested in heme/onc and have a toddler so location is playing a bigger role than expected. As of now leaning towards academic medicine due to interest in teaching and clinical trials.

4. Northwestern - loved the program - seemed to lean more towards education than service which I am OK with during residency, love the city, could see renting in downtown for 3 years and then moving again
5. UW - fantastic heme/onc, increasing cost of living and limited benefits leave something to be desired
6. UTSW - family loves dallas, great COL, very strong clinical training, dislike the huge emphasis on ICU and CCU time during residency, concerned about treating 40% Spanish speaking population without knowing Spanish
7. UPMC - really like the concept of resident led rounds, love how 4+4 scheduling would give a structure for pursuing research throughout residency and potentially more regular family time

@gutonc or any others have any advice

Trust me, as someone who trained at UTSW/Parkland and knows absolutely no Spanish (which I regret given my stupid high school language choice lol), that shouldn't be a concern.

For me, UW = UTSW > NW = UPMC. Really loved UW the program when I interviewed but the whole dreary mist in the winter does get to you especially when its Jan/Feb and you're kinda at your lowest point of intern morale

I would definitely weigh COL especially if any plans for child-care/day care on a housestaff salary unless your significant other is banking

 

[ChefCurry30]

Hello, I'm a US DO applicant interested in pursuing a cardiology fellowship. Please help me with my ROL. This is what I have so far:

1. IU
2. Cincinnati
3. Nebraska
4. Henry Ford
5. Wright State
6. St. Vincent Indianapolis
7. Virginia Tech
8. UIC Advocate Christ
9. UIC Peoria
10. UChicago Northshore
11. Kettering
12. Summa Health/NEOMED

Any feedback would be much appreciated!

 

[DrImg2020]

Goals are to become a confident physician in internal medicine that can practice independently


1) Cook county
-strong county training
-chicago
2) UNLV
-sick population
-busy hospital, only level 1 trauma in the state
3) NYP Queens
-most diverse population in the country
-New York city is one of my fav place.
4) Maricopa Medical Center
-rough county training
-happy residents
5) University of Nevada, Reno
-university program
6) UPMC Mercy
-highly reputed in the city
-Pittsburgh city life
-confidence?
7) UAB Montgomery
-very very sick population for the underserved
-cheap as hell
-no scutwork
8) MountainView Medical Center, Vegas
9) Northwell Forest Hills
-small program but end up very confident
-highest salary and subsidized housing
10) Mount Sinai Bronx
- no idea
11) Baton Rouge General
-happy place and average training but there is an new IM program that’s competing with it
12) St Mary Medical Center
-8 months in UCLA-Harbor
Capital Health Regional
NCH Healthcare system, Florida

Thank you very much!

 

[DoctorSpok]

Goals: Heme/onc, cardiology, or pulm/crit. Looking for geographically broad fellowship options.

4. Case Western UH
+ Strong overall clinical training, excellent PD, Cleveland is nice for 3 years, good overall fellowship opportunities, modern hospital, most well rounded program features compared to others
- not sure of overall reputation compared to others, particularly for cards (given CC is in town) old EMR, work quite hard, ?OK teaching

5. Montefiore (Moses- Weiler)
+ objectively strongest fellowship match, recruit good med student talent, excellent northeast reputation, bad ass training
- scut, overcrowded, tiniest MICU in NYC compared to peers, ancient depressing hospital, NYC nurses, NYC COL/commute/attitudes/filth etc.

6. University of Rochester
+ Friendliest of the bunch, good work/life balance, good PD, flagship hospital of upstate NY meaning high complexity patients, strong didactics, nice facilities, I would be so happy here
- more limited match list, Rochester winters are no joke, city is ehh, really surprised this place doesnt have a better reputation. Program would be top of the list if I wasn't as concerned about fellowships

7. Johns Hopkins-Bayview
+ Best talent on the list with strong connections all over the country, pretty good match list most years, back door to JHH, excellent clinical training and teaching/didactics
- residents work harder than Osler residents or harder than anywhere I interviewed, ridiculous call schedule, Baltimore, weird interview day

8. George Washington
+ good interview day vibes, lovely PD (maybe second strongest to Case), good clinical training, DC best place to live on the list (more toned down version of NYC with all the perks). Honestly, the PD just sold this program so well.
- Small hospital, limited opportunities, questionable teaching, limited fellowship match (worst on the list?), residents seemed overworked, super high patient turnover due to tiny hospital, shared ICU with neuro and surgery

9. Dartmouth
+ lovely residents, similar feelings to Rochester, great teaching, beautiful facilities, strong clinical training (complex patients), good work/life balance, happy place
- Hanover is way too small (no great food options or indoor activities), NH winters are brutal, fellowship match hard to judge, most people stay internally and it's hard for me to imagine doing 6 years at DHMC, unsure of rep - would have thought its stronger than ranked

If I organized purely by fellowship match list strength in Cards/Critcare/Onc it would be:
Monte > Case > Bayview >> Rochester >> Dartmouth = GW

Teaching/clinical training
Bayview > Monte = Dartmouth = Rochester = Case >> GW

Resident happiness
Rochester = Dartmouth > Case >> Monte > GW >>>>>>> Bayview

Location
GW >>> Case = Monte > Rochester >> Bayview >>> Dartmouth

Doximity Reputation Ranking
Bayview > Case >> Monte > GW > Rochester >> Dartmouth

Please help, thanks.

 

[gutonc]

Goals: Heme/onc, cardiology, or pulm/crit. Looking for geographically broad fellowship options.

4. Case Western UH
+ Strong overall clinical training, excellent PD, Cleveland is nice for 3 years, good overall fellowship opportunities, modern hospital, most well rounded program features compared to others
- not sure of overall reputation compared to others, particularly for cards (given CC is in town) old EMR, work quite hard, ?OK teaching

5. Montefiore (Moses- Weiler)
+ objectively strongest fellowship match, recruit good med student talent, excellent northeast reputation, bad ass training
- scut, overcrowded, tiniest MICU in NYC compared to peers, ancient depressing hospital, NYC nurses, NYC COL/commute/attitudes/filth etc.

6. University of Rochester
+ Friendliest of the bunch, good work/life balance, good PD, flagship hospital of upstate NY meaning high complexity patients, strong didactics, nice facilities, I would be so happy here
- more limited match list, Rochester winters are no joke, city is ehh, really surprised this place doesnt have a better reputation. Program would be top of the list if I wasn't as concerned about fellowships

7. Johns Hopkins-Bayview
+ Best talent on the list with strong connections all over the country, pretty good match list most years, back door to JHH, excellent clinical training and teaching/didactics
- residents work harder than Osler residents or harder than anywhere I interviewed, ridiculous call schedule, Baltimore, weird interview day

8. George Washington
+ good interview day vibes, lovely PD (maybe second strongest to Case), good clinical training, DC best place to live on the list (more toned down version of NYC with all the perks). Honestly, the PD just sold this program so well.
- Small hospital, limited opportunities, questionable teaching, limited fellowship match (worst on the list?), residents seemed overworked, super high patient turnover due to tiny hospital, shared ICU with neuro and surgery

9. Dartmouth
+ lovely residents, similar feelings to Rochester, great teaching, beautiful facilities, strong clinical training (complex patients), good work/life balance, happy place
- Hanover is way too small (no great food options or indoor activities), NH winters are brutal, fellowship match hard to judge, most people stay internally and it's hard for me to imagine doing 6 years at DHMC, unsure of rep - would have thought its stronger than ranked

If I organized purely by fellowship match list strength in Cards/Critcare/Onc it would be:
Monte > Case > Bayview >> Rochester >> Dartmouth = GW

Teaching/clinical training
Bayview > Monte = Dartmouth = Rochester = Case >> GW

Resident happiness
Rochester = Dartmouth > Case >> Monte > GW >>>>>>> Bayview

Location
GW >>> Case = Monte > Rochester >> Bayview >>> Dartmouth

Doximity Reputation Ranking
Bayview > Case >> Monte > GW > Rochester >> Dartmouth

Please help, thanks.

What do 1-3 look like?

I mean, as you pointed out, in a broad evaluation, it’s easy enough to throw darts at this list to get a good order.

The way you ordered them is fine. I’d personally do it differently...but that’s personal.

I’d argue that GW should be at the end of the list for a number of reasons and the rest can be in any order for any other number of reasons.

 

[whoknows2012]

Goals: Heme/onc, cardiology, or pulm/crit. Looking for geographically broad fellowship options.

4. Case Western UH
+ Strong overall clinical training, excellent PD, Cleveland is nice for 3 years, good overall fellowship opportunities, modern hospital, most well rounded program features compared to others
- not sure of overall reputation compared to others, particularly for cards (given CC is in town) old EMR, work quite hard, ?OK teaching

5. Montefiore (Moses- Weiler)
+ objectively strongest fellowship match, recruit good med student talent, excellent northeast reputation, bad ass training
- scut, overcrowded, tiniest MICU in NYC compared to peers, ancient depressing hospital, NYC nurses, NYC COL/commute/attitudes/filth etc.

6. University of Rochester
+ Friendliest of the bunch, good work/life balance, good PD, flagship hospital of upstate NY meaning high complexity patients, strong didactics, nice facilities, I would be so happy here
- more limited match list, Rochester winters are no joke, city is ehh, really surprised this place doesnt have a better reputation. Program would be top of the list if I wasn't as concerned about fellowships

7. Johns Hopkins-Bayview
+ Best talent on the list with strong connections all over the country, pretty good match list most years, back door to JHH, excellent clinical training and teaching/didactics
- residents work harder than Osler residents or harder than anywhere I interviewed, ridiculous call schedule, Baltimore, weird interview day

8. George Washington
+ good interview day vibes, lovely PD (maybe second strongest to Case), good clinical training, DC best place to live on the list (more toned down version of NYC with all the perks). Honestly, the PD just sold this program so well.
- Small hospital, limited opportunities, questionable teaching, limited fellowship match (worst on the list?), residents seemed overworked, super high patient turnover due to tiny hospital, shared ICU with neuro and surgery

9. Dartmouth
+ lovely residents, similar feelings to Rochester, great teaching, beautiful facilities, strong clinical training (complex patients), good work/life balance, happy place
- Hanover is way too small (no great food options or indoor activities), NH winters are brutal, fellowship match hard to judge, most people stay internally and it's hard for me to imagine doing 6 years at DHMC, unsure of rep - would have thought its stronger than ranked

If I organized purely by fellowship match list strength in Cards/Critcare/Onc it would be:
Monte > Case > Bayview >> Rochester >> Dartmouth = GW

Teaching/clinical training
Bayview > Monte = Dartmouth = Rochester = Case >> GW

Resident happiness
Rochester = Dartmouth > Case >> Monte > GW >>>>>>> Bayview

Location
GW >>> Case = Monte > Rochester >> Bayview >>> Dartmouth

Doximity Reputation Ranking
Bayview > Case >> Monte > GW > Rochester >> Dartmouth

Please help, thanks.

I agree with gutonc about what your 1-3 Is but otherwise the way this list is laid out it’s hard to argue with the way you’ve ranked it. Case Monte and Bayview should be your next 3 for sure (not necessarily in that order). Rochester is a good program as is Dartmouth but I also agree with gutonc GW should be at the bottom despite your feelings on living in DC.

Agree that Monte has had great match lists over the last few years for your possible fellowship options and training is top notch. Your concerns about nyc are real though and it should definitely factor into your decision.

Bayview has a good national reputation (and regional). Baltimore is meh but it offers great training and agree about back door to JHH.

Unfortunately don’t know much about case but not a big fan of Cleveland. I did just take a look at their match and it’s pretty solid so for you numbers 4-6 as far as career options I think you’d be pretty good with any of these. As far as 7-9 I also think you’d get great training but might have slight limitations for fellowship. To be honest even without knowing your 1-3 you have some great Programs on your list

 

[DoctorSpok]

What do 1-3 look like?

I mean, as you pointed out, in a broad evaluation, it’s easy enough to throw darts at this list to get a good order.

The way you ordered them is fine. I’d personally do it differently...but that’s personal.

I’d argue that GW should be at the end of the list for a number of reasons and the rest can be in any order for any other number of reasons.

Thanks for your feedback. 1-3 in no order yet:

Yale
UNC
UPMC

Can you share your personal order preference? It would be helpful to hear your POV and put things in perspective.

Are there specific reasons GW should at the bottom aside from the points I made?

I agree with gutonc about what your 1-3 Is but otherwise the way this list is laid out it’s hard to argue with the way you’ve ranked it. Case Monte and Bayview should be your next 3 for sure (not necessarily in that order). Rochester is a good program as is Dartmouth but I also agree with gutonc GW should be at the bottom despite your feelings on living in DC.

Agree that Monte has had great match lists over the last few years for your possible fellowship options and training is top notch. Your concerns about nyc are real though and it should definitely factor into your decision.

Bayview has a good national reputation (and regional). Baltimore is meh but it offers great training and agree about back door to JHH.

Unfortunately don’t know much about case but not a big fan of Cleveland. I did just take a look at their match and it’s pretty solid so for you numbers 4-6 as far as career options I think you’d be pretty good with any of these. As far as 7-9 I also think you’d get great training but might have slight limitations for fellowship. To be honest even without knowing your 1-3 you have some great Programs on your list

Thanks for your help. With Monte vs. Bayview, I feel like I should just pick my poison. Was just checking here to make sure it's not ludicrous to pick Monte over "THE Hopkins (with a heart)". Case seemed like a good middle ground. Why dont you like Cleveland?

 

[whoknows2012]

Thanks for your feedback. 1-3 in no order yet:

Yale
UNC
UPMC

Can you share your personal order preference? It would be helpful to hear your POV and put things in perspective.

Are there specific reasons GW should at the bottom aside from the points I made?



Thanks for your help. With Monte vs. Bayview, I feel like I should just pick my poison. Was just checking here to make sure it's not ludicrous to pick Monte over "THE Hopkins (with a heart)". Case seemed like a good middle ground. Why dont you like Cleveland?

Hopkins bayview in some circles people would probably say is more prestigious or is a better program than Monte and in other circles you may hear the complete opposite. Main take away? They’re both great IM training programs and you can’t go wrong.

I don’t like Cleveland bc I’m big city guy, nothing in particular about Cleveland. It seems you’re less a big city person but to each their own.

 

[rokshana]

cle is underated...the winters SUCK (lake effect snow and cold...worse than Boston and Maine!)...the food scene is really amazing and cle has a lot more of a cultural scene than you would think...and the COL is low compared to a lot of places...DC is crazy expensive (though I do love DC).

agree that Case, Monte, and Bayview are the top 3 of the places you have listed..but your top 3 are great, but you will get great training at any of the places you have listed.

 

[gutonc]

Thanks for your feedback. 1-3 in no order yet:

Yale
UNC
UPMC

Can you share your personal order preference? It would be helpful to hear your POV and put things in perspective.

For these, I'd personally rank them:
Pitt
UNC
Yale

The reasons are myriad and pretty much irrelevant to you. You can rank those 3 any way you like and be fine. But be deliberate about it. You have a strong list and are likely to match highly.

Are there specific reasons GW should at the bottom aside from the points I made?

It is the weakest and generally least well regarded nationally of the programs you have on your list. Will you be able to make an excellent career for yourself coming out of there? Of course. But you'll probably have to work a little harder for it.

 

[DoctorSpok]

Thanks guys for all your input. This is really really helpful.

 

[Theavalachesflight22]

I guess I will throw my hat in the ring.

Goals are Cardiology or Pulm/CC Fellowship, QOL while in residency and I wish to pursue these fellowships in the upper mid-west for proximity to family.

Current rank order.

#1 University of Iowa - This is pretty set at #1 for family proximity reasons and being purely impressed on my interview day.

#2 Cleveland Clinic Main - Case vs CCF has really been tough this year, loved both for different reasons however CFF's match list is more robust it appears and they have a track record of sending to the upper midwest programs I desire.

#3 Case Western University Hospitals - As stated above I would be happy at either of these institutions however Case's match list seemed a little less robust this year.

#4 Indiana University

#5 Loyola

#6 MCW - Was not terribly impressed here on interview day, also their match list didn't blow me out of the water, however maybe I am assessing them a little harshly?

#7 University of Cinci

#8 Henry Ford

As stated above, the 2/3 swapping happened by result of the CCF match list this year. My true goal is to get to Iowa, Wisconsin, or Minn for fellowship because I wish to stay there afterwards. Curious how you all would rank these knowing that my only goal is getting back to certain regions for fellowship. Also, 4-7 are a little bit of a struggle for me to evaluate as well any input on these?

Thanks for the time everyone and any opinions on changing the list are welcome.

 

[gutonc]

I guess I will throw my hat in the ring.

Goals are Cardiology or Pulm/CC Fellowship, QOL while in residency and I wish to pursue these fellowships in the upper mid-west for proximity to family.

Current rank order.

#1 University of Iowa - This is pretty set at #1 for family proximity reasons and being purely impressed on my interview day.

#2 Cleveland Clinic Main - Case vs CCF has really been tough this year, loved both for different reasons however CFF's match list is more robust it appears and they have a track record of sending to the upper midwest programs I desire.

#3 Case Western University Hospitals - As stated above I would be happy at either of these institutions however Case's match list seemed a little less robust this year.

#4 Indiana University

#5 Loyola

#6 MCW - Was not terribly impressed here on interview day, also their match list didn't blow me out of the water, however maybe I am assessing them a little harshly?

#7 University of Cinci

#8 Henry Ford

As stated above, the 2/3 swapping happened by result of the CCF match list this year. My true goal is to get to Iowa, Wisconsin, or Minn for fellowship because I wish to stay there afterwards. Curious how you all would rank these knowing that my only goal is getting back to certain regions for fellowship. Also, 4-7 are a little bit of a struggle for me to evaluate as well any input on these?

Thanks for the time everyone and any opinions on changing the list are welcome.

Looks fine to me. I'd consider moving Indy up a spot or 2 but it's fine where it is. Same w/ Cincy. But again, your list is fine as is.

 

[obiwan]

I guess I will throw my hat in the ring.

Goals are Cardiology or Pulm/CC Fellowship, QOL while in residency and I wish to pursue these fellowships in the upper mid-west for proximity to family.

Current rank order.

#1 University of Iowa - This is pretty set at #1 for family proximity reasons and being purely impressed on my interview day.

#2 Cleveland Clinic Main - Case vs CCF has really been tough this year, loved both for different reasons however CFF's match list is more robust it appears and they have a track record of sending to the upper midwest programs I desire.

#3 Case Western University Hospitals - As stated above I would be happy at either of these institutions however Case's match list seemed a little less robust this year.

#4 Indiana University

#5 Loyola

#6 MCW - Was not terribly impressed here on interview day, also their match list didn't blow me out of the water, however maybe I am assessing them a little harshly?

#7 University of Cinci

#8 Henry Ford

As stated above, the 2/3 swapping happened by result of the CCF match list this year. My true goal is to get to Iowa, Wisconsin, or Minn for fellowship because I wish to stay there afterwards. Curious how you all would rank these knowing that my only goal is getting back to certain regions for fellowship. Also, 4-7 are a little bit of a struggle for me to evaluate as well any input on these?

Thanks for the time everyone and any opinions on changing the list are welcome.

I'll take Case over the Clinic between the cleveland programs

 

[Dominus]

Okay put some thought into it and have a more focussed question: how is the PCCM training/fellowship at Wisconsin vs OHSU? Those are the last two I'm deciding between and need a little help.

 

[Obscure]

I'll take Case over the Clinic between the cleveland programs

Did you see the CCF cardiology match this year? Hard to ignore.

 

[Drscopes]

Non US IMG, looking to do fellowship probably in GI.

Looking for reviews to decide bw Westchester NY and Cook County.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Lamjared]

Non US IMG, looking to do fellowship probably in GI.

Looking for reviews to decide bw Westchester NY and Cook County.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Will put Cook over Westchester!

 

[Warderino92]

West Virginia University (Morgantown) vs University of Mississippi, having trouble figuring out which to rank #1 and #2. Interested in Heme/Onc, open to either location.

 

[Greyhame]

Hi all!
This is my ROL so far. Need visa and looking to pursue a fellowship (leaning towards Hem/Onc but subject to change). Would you recommend any changes?

1. University of Oklahoma
2. Albany Medical Center
3. Westchester Medical Center
4. Zucker Staten Island
5. Rochester Unity Hospital
6. Carle Foundation
7. St. Mary's Waterbury, CT
8. Charleston Area Medical Center
9. Canton Medical Education Foundation

 

[IM-residency-applicant]

Hi guys!!
I'm a non-US IMG. I need visa: J1 or H1b. I'm interested in a competitive fellowship like GI/ Cardio. I'd really appreciate your help with my ROL.

1. Pennsylvania Hospital, Philadelphia ((H1b, no fellowships, strong connections)
2. Baylor University Medical Center, Dallas (J1, in-house fellowships)
3. University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- Mercy (H1b) (no fellowships)
4. Northwell Staten Island (J1, inhouse fellowships)
5. University of Buffalo (J1, inhouse fellowships)
6. St. Vincent, Worceter (J1, inhouse cardio fellowship)
7. St. Joseph’s Univ. Medical Center, Paterson (J1, inhouse fellowships)
8. East Tennessee State University (J1, inhouse fellowships)
9. Mercy- Darby, PA
10. Steward Carney, Boston
11. AtlantiCare, Atlantic City
12. Prince George- Univ. Of Maryland
13. Hurley, Flint (med-peds)

 

[Animalcules]

Hi guys!!
I'm a non-US IMG. I need visa: J1 or H1b. I'm interested in a competitive fellowship like GI/ Cardio. I'd really appreciate your help with my ROL.

1. Pennsylvania Hospital (H1b) (no fellowships, strong connections)
2. Baylor University Medical Center (J1, in-house fellowships)
3. University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- Mercy (H1b) (no fellowships)
4. Northwell Staten Island (J1, inhouse fellowships)
5. University of Buffalo (J1, inhouse fellowships)
6. St. Vincent, Worceter (J1, inhouse cardio fellowship)
7. St. Joseph’s Univ. Medical Center, Paterson (J1, inhouse fellowships)
8. East Tennessee State University (J1, inhouse fellowships)
9. Mercy- Darby, PA
10. Steward Carney, Boston
11. AtlantiCare, Atlantic City
12. Prince George- Univ. Of Maryland
13. Hurley, Flint (med-peds)

Why is Baylor your #2? Is this an affiliated program?

H1b makes a huge difference, so if you prioritize this, your #2 doesn't make sense.

Otherwise Baylor is the biggest name.