i would wait, they tell you when it is.. Erie lets you schedule it.
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i would wait, they tell you when it is.. Erie lets you schedule it.
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I got my acceptance letter in the mail yesterday! I interviewed on Mon Aug 29. The letter was dated Aug 30. I can't believe how quickly the letter was sent out!
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Woot! Congrats! Happy Dance! If you have any more questions you know where to find me. Next step is to make sure you have all your shots, ugh.
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I still have not recieved mine yet... But it has to go to michigan (8/26 interview)
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Hmm, well I'm in CA...
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Congrats! Keep in mind that Labor Day might have slowed things down (closed school, closed post office, yada yada...)
Got it today lol.... YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have until 10/21. so little longer than a month.
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Just received an invite for 10/17. Didnt get to choose a date though. It was already picked for me.
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Interview here too. Didn't get to pick my date either. I would do it tomorrow if I could.
Ouch...just received a semi-rejection mail from this school. It says my app will be re-reviewed by the admissions committee in 60 days...
Does that mean I'm waitlisted? And also, is it uncommon that applicants receive interview invites from both Bradenton and Erie?
Thanks in advance,
Does that mean I'm waitlisted? And also, is it uncommon that applicants receive interview invites from both Bradenton and Erie?
Thanks in advance,
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I had interview offers from both 4 years ago. Got accepted at LECOM-B and cancelled my Erie interview.
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If you're a LECOM-B student, I'm curious to know how the adjustment was from undergraduate didactic lecture learning to problem based. PBL really makes sense but it just sounds too perfect....
How difficult was it to transition from lecture style in undergraduate to PBL at Bradenton?
Are having only 3-4 big exams per PBL group semester extremely difficult to study for? Most lecture style DO schools test students weekly/bi-weekly on a fair amount of information. Does anyone at LECOM-B feel that taking such few exams and having to study upwards of 800 pages of medical literature may ultimately hurt their grade?
How difficult was it to transition from lecture style in undergraduate to PBL at Bradenton?
Are having only 3-4 big exams per PBL group semester extremely difficult to study for? Most lecture style DO schools test students weekly/bi-weekly on a fair amount of information. Does anyone at LECOM-B feel that taking such few exams and having to study upwards of 800 pages of medical literature may ultimately hurt their grade?
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I think undergraduate -> med school requires a huge adjustment, regardless of the curriculum.
Personally I don't get much out of pure lectures anyway so I don't think this required anymore of am adjustment than if I went to a traditional lecture based school. It does require some level of "faith" in the curriculum and I think it took at least through the first semester before most of us started getting comfortable in how to approach topics and studying in PBL.
The amount of material that could be on one test is extremely humbling if you stop and think about....30, 40+ chapters... but you try not to think about it. Biggest thing is just not getting behind. If you stay on top of stuff and have enough self discipline to limit the slacking then you should do fine. I'm a bad procrastinator so if I can get through fine then I'm sure most others can.
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I am a little busy at the current moment, but I will answer this shortly ^_^
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Well, I will go ahead an answer it now, because I'm just that much better than you and that's why I'm getting more interviews 😀 (Disclaimer: It's only ok for me to talk like this because we're very good friends, and he knows I'm TOTALLY kidding. Right? RIGHT? :/ ) Anyways...
Some adjustment, but I found it rather easy. I think it's hard sometimes for us LECOM students to separate the "med school transition" from the "lecture to PBL" transition. I think the "med school transition" is much harder and is where most of the adjustment difficulty comes in. The "PBL transition" is a bit more gradual, and, while it is an adjustment, it's not so bad. Especially if you're self-motivated, and either don't mind reading, or finding other resources (like Kaplan Lectures or whatever, if you prefer a A/V aide).
Remember that you start with Lecture during anatomy, just like what you're used to. Towards the end of anatomy, you start PBL, but you start VERY VERY slow, only picking a couple (likely mostly anatomy) based chapters to study. At least we did, because we had an anatomy test coming up...lol. Later, after anatomy is over, you pick up the pace, but by then you've had a couple weeks to get the kinks out and to figure out what it's all about. You efficiency also increases. See next question for more.
Difficult to study for? YES. But again, you're ramped up to full throttle. You first PBL test probably won't have more than 10 or 15 chapters on it (many anatomy) because you're still taking anatomy when you take it. So students tend to pick a lot of overlapping topics. Maybe some histo/embryo (also anatomy) and maybe some light Physiology. If you pick much (or arguably, any) Path or Pharm for your very first PBL test, you should be shot...lol.
Even by the end of 1st semester, you're still not up to 30-40 topics a case, most likely. At that point most groups were in the mid-20's. Now by 2nd semester you're breaking 30 pretty regularly, and by 2nd YEAR, you're breaking 40 for sure. But, remember there is a lot of repetition of chapters too. So although you're doing 40 chapters second year, you might only be doing 20 new ones. The other are ones you've done before (but probably don't remember very well, hahaha, that's why you're doing them again.)
Like nlax said, you have to trust that the program will cover all the material, because sometimes it seems like you're missing something...then eventually that case (or a similar case) will come in and fix it.
I think one of the main things people fail to understand about the PBL process is that you don't get a Case for every Disease in your Path book. For example, say there is Down's Syndrome case. You go and study all about Down's. You read everything you can get your hands on about Down's syndrome, and its associated complications. What is easily missed is that you're also supposed to be reading about ALL of the other Trisomy's (Edward's, Patau's, etc) and about other birth defects in general (fetal alcohol syndrome, etc).
So, you don't get a specific case for Patau's syndrome. So, if you don't read it, you don't learn it, and there's a hole in your medical knowledge. It WILL be on your test though, and it WILL be on your board exams, so you better know it or you'll be missing questions. Everyone has some holes. The question is where are they and how many. Obviously we do a good job a filling ours because of our board pass rate. I, for example, have extreme deficiencies in histology, embryology, some biochem (now, I know it better 1.5 years ago), and even some micro. Not because of the program, but because those are my own failings and I hate, hate, hate reading that stuff. Why should I, a budding psychiatrist know what the stages of MI heart damage look like at certain times under a microscope? If I'm looking at my patient's heart under a microscope, they're not my patient anymore but the pathologist's, and I think that material should be learned by budding pathologists, preferably in pathology residency. Can we learn the concept that there ARE changes, sure...but having to memorize them, or identify them on an exam is silly and a waste of time, IMO...but such is medical education (not a fault with LECOM, just med ed in general). Sorry, I digress...
Few exams? It doesn't feel like few exams. It actually felt just right to me. There's the 3 PBL exams, pretty evenly spaced throughout the year. Each one around 200 Q's, ~4h. Board pace basically (although you ramp up to this too.). On top of this you'll have Clinical Exam Written Exams, CE Practical Exams, OMM written exams, and OMM Practicals. It all adds up to where you'll be fairly busy.
Yes, the PBL exams are worth a lot of points...so don't bomb one too badly. You can still bomb one pretty badly and the next will save you though...although if you fail 1 PBL exam, don't expect to get an A in the course anymore.
One of the more frustrating things is that to participate in clubs/activites/etc you have to have a GPA > 3.0 That basically means that if you EVER get anything below a B, you're out of extracurriculars. It wasn't that difficult to get all B's in PBL, but if you get all B's in PBL and screw up on oooonnne little CE test and get a C in CE for the semester, your GPA is now 2.98 and will remain there most likely, unless you get an A in PBL (good luck, ha! but many people do it) or an A in your C class (more likely, but still lost 1 semester out of 4, at least).
Anyways, that was long winded. Hope it helps.
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I believe i heard someone throw around 3.5ish and 29 during orientation, but don't quote me on that
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Thanks digitinoize! It definitely was a great help. I love the curriculum at Bradenton but the restrictions seem like they're just a little too overboard. Above a 3.0 to participate in Extracurriculars? GPA requirements for certain clerkship placements? Internet site restrictions? (<-- are we in elementary? can't we make our own decisions on time management?)
I agree with the shelf exams and the board prep exams and the dress code cause all of those make sense. I'm not sure if this (this = restrictions listed in previous paragraph) are similar at other DO schools but wow, I really wish that schools/student reps. would disclose ALL of the major policies during the interview.
Thanks again digitinoize!
At LECOM they did disclose all of this during the interview. They especially stressed the importance of making sure that PBL is right for you. They don't sugar coat anything. Sitting in on the PBL session helps to make that distinction very easy. It was amazing how knowledgeable the 2nd year students were and how fluid the conversations were during the session. If anyone has any questions about the interview please message me. My interview was Friday and it went great!
Hey everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could give me some input. Graduated from the University of Arizona with a BS in Health Sciences and minors in Chem and Business in 4 years. Overall 500 hours of shadowing and lots of extracurriculars. Working full time now while I apply. Texas resident. Any thoughts?
LECOM-B is my #1 choice.
Thanks everyone
I was wondering if anyone could give me some input. Graduated from the University of Arizona with a BS in Health Sciences and minors in Chem and Business in 4 years. Overall 500 hours of shadowing and lots of extracurriculars. Working full time now while I apply. Texas resident. Any thoughts?
LECOM-B is my #1 choice.
Thanks everyone
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Actually they make perfect sense. A student who is struggling, with a <3.0 GPA should be focusing on studies and not extracurriculars. Certain rotation sites may only be willing to accept students of a certain caliber, these are private hospitals and can have whatever qualifications they want. It's only like 2 or 3 out of hundreds of rotation sites anyways, not a big deal. Finally, pretty much every hospital will have the same Internet restrictions. Welcome to life. Unfortunately, when the Internet was more free it was abused and, for example, peoe were downloading movies illegally and LECOM could get in trouble for this, so there are now restrictions.
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There is no GPA requirement to participate in extracurriculars. The GPA requirement is to be an officer in a club. Also you can get around the firewall for pretty much anything you need/want to do during the day on the internet. It really only blocks FB and youtube, but there are ways to view both and in the afternoon and on weekends the restrictions are pretty much lifted.
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Sorry, that's what I meant. Lol. Thanks. It's been a long weekend.
My status in the admissions portal changed this morning to this message, "Your file is in under review by the Admissions Committee post interview. You will be notified by mail of the decision by the Admissions Committee." Has anyone else got this message before?
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I think that's the typical "you've had an interview and we're deciding" message. Let me know what they say! 😀
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Wow, where did the time go? I have had a lot of IRL things going on that I completely thought it had only been a day or so since I said I would reply to the message. I am terrible. Digitlnoize did a great job, though, and I would defer to his statement for clarity. Oh, and I'm not mad about the interview comment ^_^ Although, if I don't get more, then I will hunt you down 😵
I want to comment quickly on the internet restriction that was mentioned earlier. First of all, remember that this is a Problem-Based education center. The majority of your time will not be spent sitting in front of your computer with nothing to do. A typical (non-Anatomy) schedule would look like this:
Lastly, the internet is only shielded from websites (except for those like pornography and urban dictionary, iirc) from 7:30 AM until 5:00 PM (again, iirc). This means that if you're a second-year and wish to troll Facebook before PBL some mornings, then you're free to do so. Conversely, if you're a first-year and have late PBL, you're free to access Myspace (is that still around?) afterwards. Not only that, but the restrictions are not active on the weekends. Typically, I would study at school, and use the 5PM marker as a "break" to socialize on the internet, grab dinner from somewhere, and relax before engaging in studying once again. On the weekends, I would sometimes go into a PBL room, read my chapters, and put NFL on the internet radio to listen to my teams while I studied.
While the internet restrictions may feel like they're babysitting you, remember that there is not much restriction overall. On any given day you will be without Facebook for a maximum of three hours. Well, unless you live somewhere like Fort Meyers or Tampa/St. Pete. Regardless, I'm sure the vast majority of you have some kind of smart phone, and while the reception in the lecture hall is like sitting beneath twenty miles of lead at times, there will always be a ten-minute break to get your social media fix.
I hope this helps!
I want to comment quickly on the internet restriction that was mentioned earlier. First of all, remember that this is a Problem-Based education center. The majority of your time will not be spent sitting in front of your computer with nothing to do. A typical (non-Anatomy) schedule would look like this:
- Monday: PBL for two hours
- Tuesday: OMM lecture for one hour, CE lecture for one hour
- Wednesday: PBL for two hours
- Thursday: OMM lab for two hours
- Friday: PBL for two hours
Lastly, the internet is only shielded from websites (except for those like pornography and urban dictionary, iirc) from 7:30 AM until 5:00 PM (again, iirc). This means that if you're a second-year and wish to troll Facebook before PBL some mornings, then you're free to do so. Conversely, if you're a first-year and have late PBL, you're free to access Myspace (is that still around?) afterwards. Not only that, but the restrictions are not active on the weekends. Typically, I would study at school, and use the 5PM marker as a "break" to socialize on the internet, grab dinner from somewhere, and relax before engaging in studying once again. On the weekends, I would sometimes go into a PBL room, read my chapters, and put NFL on the internet radio to listen to my teams while I studied.
While the internet restrictions may feel like they're babysitting you, remember that there is not much restriction overall. On any given day you will be without Facebook for a maximum of three hours. Well, unless you live somewhere like Fort Meyers or Tampa/St. Pete. Regardless, I'm sure the vast majority of you have some kind of smart phone, and while the reception in the lecture hall is like sitting beneath twenty miles of lead at times, there will always be a ten-minute break to get your social media fix.
I hope this helps!
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I have been observing for months now and am making my first post, so bear with me. 😕
I am applying this year to a few schools and this process is hella nerve racking. I am an URM, with years and years of health care experience (advanced practice roles) and now a practicing nurse anesthetist. My GPA is 3.5c and 3.3s. Not sure about the MCAT but I would think less than 25 to be honest (just took it on the 10th). I am applying to state schools, a few DO schools, and a few others. Lots of ECs, great letters (mostly from physicians since I have been in the working world for 12 years). I am truly interested in the PBL style because I learn best by actual participation anyway. I am a single mom.
How can I improve my chances if my MCAT score doesn't come back stellar. Really nervous about that part 🙁
I am applying this year to a few schools and this process is hella nerve racking. I am an URM, with years and years of health care experience (advanced practice roles) and now a practicing nurse anesthetist. My GPA is 3.5c and 3.3s. Not sure about the MCAT but I would think less than 25 to be honest (just took it on the 10th). I am applying to state schools, a few DO schools, and a few others. Lots of ECs, great letters (mostly from physicians since I have been in the working world for 12 years). I am truly interested in the PBL style because I learn best by actual participation anyway. I am a single mom.
How can I improve my chances if my MCAT score doesn't come back stellar. Really nervous about that part 🙁
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I have been observing for months now and am making my first post, so bear with me. 😕
I am applying this year to a few schools and this process is hella nerve racking. I am an URM, with years and years of health care experience (advanced practice roles) and now a practicing nurse anesthetist. My GPA is 3.5c and 3.3s. Not sure about the MCAT but I would think less than 25 to be honest (just took it on the 10th). I am applying to state schools, a few DO schools, and a few others. Lots of ECs, great letters (mostly from physicians since I have been in the working world for 12 years). I am truly interested in the PBL style because I learn best by actual participation anyway. I am a single mom.
How can I improve my chances if my MCAT score doesn't come back stellar. Really nervous about that part 🙁
It sounds like you've got a solid application thus far, especially for DO schools. While I am your typical traditional student and cannot relate to your life experiences (enter Digitlnoize), I would say that there is not very much you can do to improve your application at this point in the game since your applications have already been sent. The best thing to do right now is sit back and wait for your MCAT scores to come through. I have found that whenever I think I did well, my score is typically lower, and vice versa. As people have stated above, a "stellar" MCAT score is not required for admission to most DO schools. Your GPA, ECs, and LoRs are shining through right now, and admission committees will see that.
Should you go through this admission cycle without hearing from anyone, however, then you have a couple of options. You could/should re-take your MCAT, depending on the score. Again, this is going off of a low score and we just do not know what to expect just yet. If you believe your GPA is a problem, schools like LECOM offer a Post-Bac program where you can boost your sGPA and apply the following application cycle. I am not experienced with that route, however, and would encourage anyone who did do a Post-Bac to give further information. If there are not any responses to that, I can always dredge up some from old LECOM threads, I'm sure.
In short, relax. Wait for your MCAT score to come back and then see where that takes you. Good luck
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I agree with pretty much everything BCLumas said, but I'll add a couple of things...and Welcome!
Yes it is. Just ask BCL about residency apps. We're both biting our nails so to speak...sigh.
I'm not trying to be politically incorrect, but this can help your chances. We'll leave the discussion of whether that's right or not for another time. I know of one girl URM student who got into Yale MD with a 19 MCAT. 19!?!? Wtf?!? Granted, there may be more to that story, but still...I got 18's by guessing randomly on the practice tests...sheesh.
This will all really, really help.
Now, this begs the question...Why go back to med school? By all accounts CRNA's make very good money and practice as fairly independent mid-levels. With the current political environment and economic crisis, your salary is not likely to be much higher after med school than before...so the admissions people will want to know (as I do) WHY would you want to spend 200-300k to do this? What's in it for you?
My GPA is 3.5c and 3.3s. Not sure about the MCAT but I would think less than 25 to be honest (just took it on the 10th). I am applying to state schools, a few DO schools, and a few others. Lots of ECs, great letters (mostly from physicians since I have been in the working world for 12 years). I am truly interested in the PBL style because I learn best by actual participation anyway.
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This is all fine. These days a 3.5/3.3 GPA isn't stellar for med school, but it's probably good enough. A 25 MCAT can break you for many schools, but it might get you into a less competitive DO school, or a school that doesn't care as much about scores (which I think LECOM-B is one, to a point).
Wow! Married dad here, and I don't know how I would've done it by myself (with a kid). Even at LECOM-B, it's still such a time demand, but it CAN be done, I've heard of people who've done it...I just don't know that I could have.
I would strongly suggest that if you're intent on pursuing this med school thing (and all of its associated debt) that you try VERY VERY hard to get into a school in an area where you will have some social support. Even if it takes you an extra year or two of MCAT studying, being close to someone that can help with the kids will make your life infinitely easier. I mean, once rotations start, and you have to work from 3am-7pm, what are you going to do? It's really hard to find a babysitter at that hour, or a before/after school program that will start that early/late 😱
Anyways, I'm not saying you shouldn't do it...just wondering why? and how you're planning to prepare for the challenges, especially clinical years, and especially if you're going to be away from family support.
BCL is right, btw...you might have done much better on the MCAT than you thought. It's very hard to tell...
How can I improve my chances if my MCAT score doesn't come back stellar. Really nervous about that part 🙁
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I always wanted to be a doctor but coming out of undergrad, I didn't feel ready. Our school did a piss poor job of preparing its pre-meds and I didn't know how to go about the whole thing. What it boiled down to was I was scared ****less. Even more than I am now. Now after 2 bachelors degrees and 2 masters, and being faced with the real world clinical experiences, I believe I am ready to tackle it. I love my job and hope to continue in the same path (anesthesia) and actually have had great feedback from programs regarding residency (cart way before the horse) so I believe that helped to drive me even further. Pretty much, I want to do more. I want to learn more. It's one thing to act and know there is someone to clean up if you make a mistake. But to know I am responsible, it makes you work better. I function independently about 50% of the time and I love it but there are some attendings that don't like us to think for ourselves. I feel imprisoned at times. *violins playing* I want to be all that I know I can be.
Yes, I make awesome money and can make even more but it's not about the money. It's about doing something I love without hating all the restrictions.
Yes, I am a single mom. My baby was 12 months when I started anesthesia school. I worked full-time (yes, 24-48 hr shifts every weekend in the NICU) to pay my mortgage, childcare, and other expenses during those 30 months. It was hard but I did it. And although I didn't make a 4.0, I faired better than some of my classmates that didn't even finish the program. Oh, and hopefully my significant other and I will be taking the next step soon so that will help. But if that doesn't work, something will. And I have family in Florida so that's always an option.
Yes, I make awesome money and can make even more but it's not about the money. It's about doing something I love without hating all the restrictions.
Yes, I am a single mom. My baby was 12 months when I started anesthesia school. I worked full-time (yes, 24-48 hr shifts every weekend in the NICU) to pay my mortgage, childcare, and other expenses during those 30 months. It was hard but I did it. And although I didn't make a 4.0, I faired better than some of my classmates that didn't even finish the program. Oh, and hopefully my significant other and I will be taking the next step soon so that will help. But if that doesn't work, something will. And I have family in Florida so that's always an option.
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This is all fine. These days a 3.5/3.3 GPA isn't stellar for med school, but it's probably good enough. A 25 MCAT can break you for many schools, but it might get you into a less competitive DO school, or a school that doesn't care as much about scores (which I think LECOM-B is one, to a point).
Wow! Married dad here, and I don't know how I would've done it by myself (with a kid). Even at LECOM-B, it's still such a time demand, but it CAN be done, I've heard of people who've done it...I just don't know that I could have.
I would strongly suggest that if you're intent on pursuing this med school thing (and all of its associated debt) that you try VERY VERY hard to get into a school in an area where you will have some social support. Even if it takes you an extra year or two of MCAT studying, being close to someone that can help with the kids will make your life infinitely easier. I mean, once rotations start, and you have to work from 3am-7pm, what are you going to do? It's really hard to find a babysitter at that hour, or a before/after school program that will start that early/late 😱
Anyways, I'm not saying you shouldn't do it...just wondering why? and how you're planning to prepare for the challenges, especially clinical years, and especially if you're going to be away from family support.
BCL is right, btw...you might have done much better on the MCAT than you thought. It's very hard to tell...
How can I improve my chances if my MCAT score doesn't come back stellar. Really nervous about that part 🙁
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Not to pry, but how old are your kids? School age? How are the schools in the area? If you and the wife want a night to yourselves, how do you work that out (after hours childcare)?
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Our daughter just turned 10. Just the one for now. We're waiting until we get settled in residency before we go for #2.
For nights out during 1st/2nd year, while we were in Bradenton, we'd usually ask a friend or classmate (I think BCLumas babysat a couple of times), or the parent of one of our daughter's friends at school. She'd spend a week or two during the summer back home in Virginia with the grandparents too.
We've been back home in Va. for most of 3rd/4th year, so we have 2 sets of grandparents in town, but 2 aunts, 1 uncle, and many other available sitters.
That being said, we don't ditch her too often. When you have down time to spend, I typically want to spend it with both of them...if I just spent the down time with my wife, I'd never see my daughter. So, the typical free time is family time, but wife and I still have date night occasionally. Plus, daughter has an early bed time, and we're somewhat night owls, so we usually have 3 or 4 hours kid free at the end of the day too...
It all works out. Again, no idea what I would do without my wife though...I mean, how would one go to rotations, especially things like OB, that are unpredictable? Rough.
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Good answers. Just answer that way during your admissions interviews and you'll be fine. So, you do have SO who may be willing to help out with the kids (regardless of whether you're married or not)? That's a huge help.
I agree that it's not always about the money. I decided to go to med school over PA/NP school for pretty much the same reason.
Have you lurked/posted on the Anesthesiology forum? I'd be interested to see what those guys (and the CRNAs over there) might think of your decision...
Good luck! I'd wait and see how your MCAT is. Apply no matter what, and pray. If you don't get in, work to improve your app. The stupid MCAT score counts way too much IMO, but it does, so start there. If you can get your score up to a 28-30 and STILL don't get in, then think about a post-bac program...but I think you've got PLENTY of degrees and your GPA is fine. I'd go for improving the MCAT as much as possible.
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I stay out of the drama. I've read the stuff over there and it drives my blood pressure up. As much as I have bailed out some residents and attendings, I wish they would appreciate us more. Many of us are skilled providers but they treat us like we are dummies. Not all of them though. Some are really nice. Aywho, that section would probably get me kicked off of SDN.
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Call and see if they'll tell you.
I submitted my secondary about a month ago. My status is still:
We received your supplemental application. The review process will begin on your file. You will be notified when updates are made.
Anyone else in the same boat? Should I call to check on my application?
We received your supplemental application. The review process will begin on your file. You will be notified when updates are made.
Anyone else in the same boat? Should I call to check on my application?
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